Comments on: Ron Paul is still in the race for President! http://www.ronpaul.com/2008-05-02/ron-paul-is-still-in-the-race-for-president/ Ron Paul is America's leading voice for limited, constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, sound money, and a pro-American foreign policy. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:28:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bud Foxhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2008-05-02/ron-paul-is-still-in-the-race-for-president/comment-page-1/#comment-467 Bud Fox Sat, 31 May 2008 07:42:23 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=31#comment-467 Nope - you are way off with that.. Wrong on too many levels to count.. Nope – you are way off with that.. Wrong on too many levels to count..

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]]> By: HWhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2008-05-02/ron-paul-is-still-in-the-race-for-president/comment-page-1/#comment-180 HW Mon, 12 May 2008 05:54:18 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=31#comment-180 And frankly, to get back to the original topic, why is Ron Paul still in the race? John McCain now has enough pledged delegates to get the nomination. Ron Paul hasn't even got 1 / 50 the amount he needs, and John McCain is using him as a joke on John Stewart (and yes, I did laugh). And frankly, to get back to the original topic, why is Ron Paul still in the race? John McCain now has enough pledged delegates to get the nomination. Ron Paul hasn’t even got 1 / 50 the amount he needs, and John McCain is using him as a joke on John Stewart (and yes, I did laugh).

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]]> By: GVhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2008-05-02/ron-paul-is-still-in-the-race-for-president/comment-page-1/#comment-179 GV Mon, 12 May 2008 05:48:18 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=31#comment-179 relax, I didn't "run away," I went on a road trip. DC would have been fun if it wasn't for the rain.I think you have some very ... interesting ideas, but they're not all very good. For one thing, I don't keep long-term savings in a savings account, I invest them in things like the stock market, bonds, when the market's down, CD's, etc. In terms of short term savings accounts ... I need to have ready access to that. I don't want to have to wait two days or dick around on the internet to find a buyer for gold, I want to move my money from checking to savings, or checking to TV salesman, etc. when I want to.If I do go into international business, I will have some decisions to make about what currency I want to base my operations in. That said, there's a big difference between deciding on the financial accounting of a multinational corporation and the easy at which your average Joe at a baseball game can buy a hot dog. Competing currencies unnecessarily complicate life for all involved parties.In terms of Gold always having value ... well, sure, as a commodity. The thing is, moving to a gold standard wouldn't stop things like inflation or deflation. Hell, massive deflation is what caused the Great Depression, we were on the gold standard at the time (since then, economic regulation has stopped other recessions from growing to the same level). The current problems with the oil market (rapid economic expansion of India and China, political instability in the Middle East and Kenya, etc) would have all occurred whether or not the United States was on a gold standard currency. Futures traders would still have massively inflated the price of oil, leading to our current problems.To be honest, we would probably still have had the housing crisis on the gold standard (doubt it? Do more research on the great depression: a large cause of the stock market crash that immediately preceded and partially caused it was banks giving out unsecured (ok, 10% secured) loans to large numbers of people, with the knowledge that those loans would later be invested in the stock market. A small stock market slide led to banks calling in their loans. People couldn't pay the loans back, and a spiral began).As you stated above, economic problems are caused by people, not different types of currencies. Realize this: even if the economy was changed to a gold standard, the same people would largely be in charge of the economy. relax, I didn’t “run away,” I went on a road trip. DC would have been fun if it wasn’t for the rain.

I think you have some very … interesting ideas, but they’re not all very good. For one thing, I don’t keep long-term savings in a savings account, I invest them in things like the stock market, bonds, when the market’s down, CD’s, etc. In terms of short term savings accounts … I need to have ready access to that. I don’t want to have to wait two days or dick around on the internet to find a buyer for gold, I want to move my money from checking to savings, or checking to TV salesman, etc. when I want to.

If I do go into international business, I will have some decisions to make about what currency I want to base my operations in. That said, there’s a big difference between deciding on the financial accounting of a multinational corporation and the easy at which your average Joe at a baseball game can buy a hot dog. Competing currencies unnecessarily complicate life for all involved parties.

In terms of Gold always having value … well, sure, as a commodity. The thing is, moving to a gold standard wouldn’t stop things like inflation or deflation. Hell, massive deflation is what caused the Great Depression, we were on the gold standard at the time (since then, economic regulation has stopped other recessions from growing to the same level). The current problems with the oil market (rapid economic expansion of India and China, political instability in the Middle East and Kenya, etc) would have all occurred whether or not the United States was on a gold standard currency. Futures traders would still have massively inflated the price of oil, leading to our current problems.

To be honest, we would probably still have had the housing crisis on the gold standard (doubt it? Do more research on the great depression: a large cause of the stock market crash that immediately preceded and partially caused it was banks giving out unsecured (ok, 10% secured) loans to large numbers of people, with the knowledge that those loans would later be invested in the stock market. A small stock market slide led to banks calling in their loans. People couldn’t pay the loans back, and a spiral began).

As you stated above, economic problems are caused by people, not different types of currencies. Realize this: even if the economy was changed to a gold standard, the same people would largely be in charge of the economy.

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]]> By: John Podlasekhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2008-05-02/ron-paul-is-still-in-the-race-for-president/comment-page-1/#comment-153 John Podlasek Fri, 09 May 2008 07:19:16 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=31#comment-153 Ms. Chris, Thanks for the support, The critics always run away when you bombard them with logic. I like Ron Paul because he is logical, honest, and makes sensible arguements. In todays world I guess that makes him crazy. I agree to one thing is that we need more Ron Pauls instead of one in order to make a difference. In this case I agree with "Political Realist", but for now Ron is all we have, and so I support him. Ms. Chris,
Thanks for the support,
The critics always run away when you bombard them with logic. I like Ron Paul because he is logical, honest, and makes sensible arguements. In todays world I guess that makes him crazy. I agree to one thing is that we need more Ron Pauls instead of one in order to make a difference. In this case I agree with “Political Realist”, but for now Ron is all we have, and so I support him.

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]]> By: Libertyhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2008-05-02/ron-paul-is-still-in-the-race-for-president/comment-page-1/#comment-139 Liberty Thu, 08 May 2008 12:18:54 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=31#comment-139 Of course I'd prefer to have gold in my bank account but most people don't know they have a choice. Check out http://www.goldmoney.com as they offer such a service. Not exactly a bank account but it works almost the same. Of course I’d prefer to have gold in my bank account but most people don’t know they have a choice. Check out http://www.goldmoney.com as they offer such a service. Not exactly a bank account but it works almost the same.

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]]> By: John Podlasekhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2008-05-02/ron-paul-is-still-in-the-race-for-president/comment-page-1/#comment-137 John Podlasek Thu, 08 May 2008 12:09:15 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=31#comment-137 Fox New article today about McCain stated: "McCain, now the Republican Party’s likely presidential nominee" Likely is an interesting choice of words here, considering all the talk here about it being over. Could be picking at straws, but this is from Fox News remember.http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/07/mccains-navy-records-detail-commendations/ Fox New article today about McCain stated: “McCain, now the Republican Party’s likely presidential nominee”
Likely is an interesting choice of words here, considering all the talk here about it being over. Could be picking at straws, but this is from Fox News remember.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/07/mccains-navy-records-detail-commendations/

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]]> By: John Podlasekhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2008-05-02/ron-paul-is-still-in-the-race-for-president/comment-page-1/#comment-132 John Podlasek Thu, 08 May 2008 10:03:49 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=31#comment-132 In terms of competing currencies. Running an company that does business around the globe, you have to realize that we are already working under competing currencies. This is a fact of life whether you want to admit it or not. Euro, Jap Yen, Gold, Silver are already available to most people who deal in a business environment. I have to use them to protect against the failing dollar and run a profitable business.The real issue is the control of money over the people/citizens. The Constitution was very clear in trying to protect the people against govt control over there lives. Possesion of Gold, Silver or other commodities, shifts the power back to the people and away from the govt. Paper money is worthless, and since it is worthless it can be devalued quickly. Gold/Silver/Commodities will always have value, thus you have the power over you lives, not the govt. Now Govt/banks can quickly strip you of your wealth and leave you powerless to their activities. This is the fundamental arguement behind Ron Pauls "crazy" ideas. Wealth controlled by you. Gold itself can not ruin an economy. Greed, malinvestment yes. Paper Money itself is also not the problem. The people who control the money are the problem, and create the problems of today, tomorrow and historically. Currency is only what we decide it to be. Can be anything actually. Ask yourself would you rather have gold/silver in your bank account or dollar bills. If you answer Gold you must be "crazy" In terms of competing currencies.
Running an company that does business around the globe, you have to realize that we are already working under competing currencies. This is a fact of life whether you want to admit it or not. Euro, Jap Yen, Gold, Silver are already available to most people who deal in a business environment. I have to use them to protect against the failing dollar and run a profitable business.

The real issue is the control of money over the people/citizens. The Constitution was very clear in trying to protect the people against govt control over there lives.
Possesion of Gold, Silver or other commodities, shifts the power back to the people and away from the govt. Paper money is worthless, and since it is worthless it can be devalued quickly. Gold/Silver/Commodities will always have value, thus you have the power over you lives, not the govt. Now Govt/banks can quickly strip you of your wealth and leave you powerless to their activities. This is the fundamental arguement behind Ron Pauls “crazy” ideas. Wealth controlled by you.
Gold itself can not ruin an economy. Greed, malinvestment yes. Paper Money itself is also not the problem. The people who control the money are the problem, and create the problems of today, tomorrow and historically. Currency is only what we decide it to be. Can be anything actually.
Ask yourself would you rather have gold/silver in your bank account or dollar bills.
If you answer Gold you must be “crazy”

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]]> By: Ms. Chrishttp://www.ronpaul.com/2008-05-02/ron-paul-is-still-in-the-race-for-president/comment-page-1/#comment-131 Ms. Chris Thu, 08 May 2008 06:55:12 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=31#comment-131 John P. you are a very good debator. You stick to the issue instead of going for personalities, ridicule, etc. Keep up the great work ! John P. you are a very good debator. You stick to the issue instead of going for personalities, ridicule, etc.
Keep up the great work !

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]]> By: John Podlasekhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2008-05-02/ron-paul-is-still-in-the-race-for-president/comment-page-1/#comment-130 John Podlasek Thu, 08 May 2008 06:06:37 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=31#comment-130 GV You assume to much about me. Greenspan, Reagan, and many others supported a return the the Gold Standard before they were pulled into the fold. Gold Standard is worth a debate, but it does not make you crazy. Gold was the world currency for a few thousand years and still is for the most part. Dollar will crash, Gold will always have real value. If you have savings accounts, get rid of them and buy gold. Over the long run you will never lose. Saying someone is crazy for supporting a gold standard is sort of crazy. With that said and done I am not sure a full gold standard is the answer. There are supporting/non-supporting videos, theories for the gold standard as well that are interesting. "Money Masters" is quite good, as well as "Fiat Currency" videos. "The Case Against the Fed" is a good book I have seen/read most of them. Does not make me an expert though. Taking a few classes in economics does not make me an expert either. Ron Paul has written books and is considered by many to be a financial intellectual. Who else in Congress can argue with the Fed Reserve? Since the country is on the edge of economic ruin, and Ron has been warning us, I tend to trust his beliefs more then the status quo. However considering current events Gold Standard has some qualities I like. Mostly it keeps govts from printing money at will and creating inflation. Debate the issues. It could be easily argued that since the US left the gold standard the decline of its currency and society is quite obvious. Ron is not crazy by any means. You may disagree with him, and I do on some issues to be honest. However he is not crazy. Following our current policies to economic ruin is crazy though. Its coming. I dont think we can avoid that now. GV
You assume to much about me.
Greenspan, Reagan, and many others supported a return the the Gold Standard before they were pulled into the fold. Gold Standard is worth a debate, but it does not make you crazy. Gold was the world currency for a few thousand years and still is for the most part. Dollar will crash, Gold will always have real value. If you have savings accounts, get rid of them and buy gold. Over the long run you will never lose.
Saying someone is crazy for supporting a gold standard is sort of crazy. With that said and done
I am not sure a full gold standard is the answer. There are supporting/non-supporting videos, theories for the gold standard as well that are interesting. “Money Masters” is quite good, as well as “Fiat Currency” videos. “The Case Against the Fed” is a good book I have seen/read most of them. Does not make me an expert though. Taking a few classes in economics does not make me an expert either.
Ron Paul has written books and is considered by many to be a financial intellectual. Who else in Congress can argue with the Fed Reserve? Since the country is on the edge of economic ruin, and Ron has been warning us, I tend to trust his beliefs more then the status quo.
However considering current events Gold Standard has some qualities I like. Mostly it keeps govts from printing money at will and creating inflation.
Debate the issues. It could be easily argued that since the US left the gold standard the decline of its currency and society is quite obvious.
Ron is not crazy by any means. You may disagree with him, and I do on some issues to be honest. However he is not crazy. Following our current policies to economic ruin is crazy though. Its coming. I dont think we can avoid that now.

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]]> By: GVhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2008-05-02/ron-paul-is-still-in-the-race-for-president/comment-page-1/#comment-126 GV Wed, 07 May 2008 22:51:10 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=31#comment-126 yeah, maybe, but if at the end of the day a candidate can't get people to vote for him then he's worthless.What has he said that's crazy?Go to your section on economic policy. I realize that you haven't taken any serious courses on economics or economic policy, but realistically competition between currencies within one nation is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. Also, the gold standard has been tried (google specie circular). It was a miserable failure, and it severely and unnecessarily damaged the US economy. yeah, maybe, but if at the end of the day a candidate can’t get people to vote for him then he’s worthless.

What has he said that’s crazy?

Go to your section on economic policy. I realize that you haven’t taken any serious courses on economics or economic policy, but realistically competition between currencies within one nation is the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a long time. Also, the gold standard has been tried (google specie circular). It was a miserable failure, and it severely and unnecessarily damaged the US economy.

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