To celebrate the Mexican holiday of Cinco de Mayo (and to attract the Hispanic vote), John McCain launched his campaign website in Spanish.
The website greets visitors with these slogans: “Estamos Unidos con McCain. ¡Mantengamos la esperanza! ¡Mantengamos la unidad! ¡No nos dobleguemos! … ¡Nunca nos rendiremos! ¡Estamos Unidos! Únete Al Equipo. John McCain Para Presidente.”
Translation: “We’re united with McCain. Let’s keep up the hope! Let’s maintain our unity! We’ll never give in! We’ll never give up! We’re united! Join the team. John McCain for President.”
McCain’s next stop: The National Council of La Raza (“The Race”). And it’s not just pandering… McCain has been in the “open borders” camp all along.
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http://www.poptech.org/popcasts/juan_enriquez__poptech_2006
-A speech by Juan Enriquez about autonomy and secession movements. He indicates that governments fail. Don’t get too attached to any government.
I agree, and think that that is a good thing. Onward, upward, toward intelligence and free markets.
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Vote for your master, cheap foreign labor.
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The borders should be open, the right to travel freely should be unrestricted. The right to travel freely is an individual right. If identification can be shown at the border to indicate a lack of criminal standing within one’s own country in good standing, then one should be allowed to enter the US, or any other country.
Unfortunately, I am forced to advocate complete anarchy instead of “what should be”, since the USA no longer follows –in any way– its own Constitution. The USA is now lawless, in a cycle of decline. When the USA was sold to the bankers in 1913, we lost the USA.
Instead of finding greater and greater ways to coexist, an unfree country limits human interaction, limits human freedom, and limits the practice of voluntary trade. Had we been a free country, most of our problems would seem small, and people from all countries would be allowed to enter and leave as they wished. In that hypothetical case, there would be no welfare, and no collectivist claims on one anothers’ works. Therefore, there would be no reason to kidnap people and return them across a state border.
Deporting people is state violence. It is wrong.
Voluntaryism is the only way. http://www.voluntaryist.com
http://marcstevens.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrwXYhCU9pQ&feature=related
I hope that adds a lot of clarity to the kind of libertarian I am. You see, I’m a libertarian libertarian. I know this might seem redundant, but with all these people hyphenating a perfectly good term, it seems necessary.
In 1988, Ron Paul needed to run as a more consistent libertarian. So he tabled his statist views on immigration and abortion. Too bad we weren’t so close to the financial ruin of our nation then, because maybe it would have been possible for Harry Browne to get elected in 1996 or 2000. Unfortunately, the electorate slept right through those offerings of a superior candidate.
Then, in 2004, the LP nominated Badnarik. A great guy who had absolutely no business offering himself up as a presidential candidate (no money, and no campaign team, right next to two great candidates who had both –Aaron Russo and Gary Nolan). Then, in 2008, once again, a great candidate entered the race early, so the LP could plan its outreach efforts intelligently, and Bob Barr and Mary Ruwart entered the race late in the game, defeating any intelligent positioning that the most qualified candidate (Wayne Root) had prepared.
You see, if you want freedom, you need to fight for it. You need to care about it enough to work on it for continuously (including in the three years prior to the nomination). The person who starts first declares in good faith, and expends lots of effort, in service to that higher goal. Latecomers are strategic disasters.
So do I want a perfectly libertarian candidate? Yes. Am I willing to vote for an imperfect guy like Ron Paul who is not libertarian on some issues (immigration, abortion)? Yes.
The one thing I ask is that you don’t insult my intelligence. I ask that you plan, and take individual freedom seriously. I ask that you be a messenger in favor of my individual rights. I ask that your answer on every subject be “less government, less tyranny”.
Peace.
Ron has a good track record of voting against expanding government. Moreover, he knows how to run a campaign and get elected (something most libertarians ignore entirely).
But Ron is not god. In fact, there is no god.
When we stop looking for one, and measuring them against realistic standards of achievement, we will all be better off.
Until then, I champion the right of all humans to move where they wish. I champion the right of all humans to a trial by an informed jury that knows that they have a right to nullify. I champion paper ballots. I champion the right to elect and recall judges. I champion an end to “motions in limine” gag orders and an end to “contempt of court” threats. I champion the right to own “scary private property” (guns, drugs, skateboards, motorcycles, airplanes, helicopters, explosives, alcohol, pornography, etc…) so long as it is not used to initiate force against innocents.
I also believe that all people own their own bodies, and should be able to do anything they want with them. (And thus favor abolishing the FDA, AMA, ACS, etc…)
Just remember, that when Ron Paul or John McCain says that the government owns the bodies and lives of illegal immigrants, they are really saying that the government (collective decision-making of the median intelligence, empowered by physical violence at the barrel of a cop’s gun) owns your life, and your body.
The proof of the above statement is all around you, but in case you’re blind, here’s a specific example:
http://singularityhub.com/2010/03/09/colorado-doctors-skirt-fda-jurisdiction-to-provide-human-stem-cell-therapies-video/
The doctors above risked the destruction of their clinic by force. The government informed them that they might have to waste an unspecified amount of dollars on a legal battle, or risk the violent destruction of their lives, and their patients’ lives (as well as the loss of their reputations, and their patients’ money).
Not for any other reason than that the government asserts that it owns us all.
I –for one– would be happy to let any number of “illegals” into the USA. I understand that I am not entitled to a job, unless I have a contract to complete that job. Even then, I can be dismissed for failing to complete the contract within the specified time period.
If we have contract law, we have all the protection from “illegals” that any government can legitimately provide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Qx5r2mT90
–This guy, Schaeffer Cox, describes common law contract courts he’s set up in Alaska.
The time is coming. I count “illegals” as my friends. Anyone who opposes the unconstitutional, immoral, unjust pile of shit US government is my friend.
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I’d deport every thieving one of them… After giving them a substancial fine for violating our laws, sovereignty, and for stealing American jobs and undercutting our poor and middle class pay scales. Not to mention them cutting off all the other people of the world trying to immigrate here legally. And further destroying our melting pot society turning it into a half melting pot/half criminal-Hispanics too selfish to concider the damage they do to others.
I’m a libertarian. Libertarians love sovereignty. Our founding fathers were passionate about sovereignty; so much so they designed this nation unlike any other nation – embracing sovereignty at every level: personal, local, state, and national.
“Open borders” is an anarchist agenda. Period.
To call youself a “libertarian libertarian” is a load of crap. A nation without borders is not a nation at all. So stop trying to fool youself, if not us, and admit that you are an Anarchist.
Libertarianism is based on the values of the founding fathers. They had no intentions to be a global-borderless “nation”. As the preambles starts, “We the people of The United States…”, not, “We the world”.
****”I –for one– would be happy to let any number of “illegals” into the USA.”****
And I, for one, would love to put you behind bars.
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Ryan the RINO, I’ve forgotten more than you’ll ever know, and so has every other actual libertarian. Your confrontational tone and deep ignorance of the concepts of individual liberty have opened your argument to abject destruction, so here goes:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24349
(Harry Browne does a better job than I have time for, at the above link. Again, he’s an actual libertarian, unlike yourself.)
There is absolutely no contradiction between “anarchist” and “libertarian”.
One can be a libertarian anarchist, or a libertarian minarchist. One can also be a fake libertarian who calls himself a libertarian, but isn’t. This last designation applies to anyone who wants to initiate force against peaceful people, and deport them –people like yourself, Ryan.
You see, a peaceful immigrant who has not violated anyone’s rights is guilty of nothing more than “mala prohibita” a “victimless crime”. Mala Prohibita offenses are crimes created by legislation, not crimes “in and of themselves”. In a theoretical free libertarian country, only “mala in se” crimes (crimes that produce BOTH injury and causation) are considered crimes.
Understanding this is so basic and fundamental to the concept of being a libertarian that it certainly calls into question your intelligence or your interest in the ideas of individual liberty.
…But I don’t need to stop there. Are you honestly telling me that a government bureaucracy with armed border police, etc… is likely to be more libertarian than anarchy (absence of government) or near anarchy? Remember: the necessity of providing for self-defense doesn’t go away under absence of government, so that task is simply decentralized to individuals and people who sell better self-defense (private security companies). Do you not understand how voluntary order emerges from free markets that are unhindered by government interference? Now then, I technically don’t fit the definition of an “anarchist” because I’m not sure that that’s enough …but some very intelligent people make that case.
Moreover, where is your libertarian country? Nowhere in existence. You can point to a lot of countries, but no libertarian countries.
However, the closer we get to anarchy, the more free we apparently are (if anarchy is a social vector, as Professor R.J. Rummel at the University of Hawaii argues, here: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/TCH.CHAP31.HTM figure 31.3 ).
The closer we get to the voluntary protection of individual rights (ALL individual rights, not just the rights of people who were born in an arbitrary location), the closer we get to libertarianism.
Now, I don’t actually accept the title of “anarchist”, especially not when it’s ascribed to me by my intellectual inferiors. If you can opt out of a government (ie: “consent of the governed”) is it still a government? If so, I am an anarchist. ..But wait! I’m in favor of a voluntarily-financed and supported common law court system that has coercive methods for retaliating against those guilty of nonconsensual violent crime. So the anarchists don’t really want me. Also, I’m in favor of participating in elections, and running and voting for voluntaryist candidates like Harry Browne. I also support near-voluntaryist candidates as the lesser of several evils, and as messengers whose message can be perfected. So, even though I’m a voluntaryist, I’m too educated about politics and elections for them to want me.
Hmmm. I bet that just overheated the few braincells you have.
Your illiterate, grossly uneducated self claims that my claim of being a libertarian is a “load of crap”. Well, David Nolan, Ayn Rand, The Libertarian Party’s 1994 (non-gutted) Platform, David Bergland, James Halperin, Marc Stevens, Stefan Molyneux, Harry Browne, Murray N. Rothbard, etc… all agree with me. That group of “small L” LIBERTARIANS –that I could continue to list until there were hundreds– all agree with me. Among them are anarchists, voluntaryists, minarchists, and people like myself who don’t claim to know for certain what level of minarchy is actually going to result from our actions.
Here are some of the above’s writings and commentary on immigration:
Ayn Rand: http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5269
Marc Stevens (lawyer, legal philosopher): http://www.youtube.com/user/MarcStevens3#p/u/17/WrwXYhCU9pQ
Harry Browne (1996 and 2000 LP presidential candidate, libertarian philosopher, economist):
http://www.harrybrowne.org/ArticlesIndex.htm#i
I know that the last thing that I would get rid of was the court system, but the first thing I would attack –as it stands– is the court system.
Your avatar defines you: a Republican In Name Only. –You haven’t even made the first step toward libertarianism.
When you decide to crack a book, get back to me. Until then, you’re a joke.
BTW: If I saw you attempting to make a citizens’ arrest of an “illegal” I might just pretend to help out and then shoot you in the back of your head.
Think about that, long and hard, moron. I’m a libertarian, and I don’t need the blessing of the majority to prevent the wrongful initiation of force.
Ironically, the statist government you support (while mislabeling yourself as a libertarian) is most likely to lead to the kind of chaos you incorrectly ascribe to “anarchy” (even though that more peaceful anarchy won’t exist unless superintelligences take over the planet, and is thus totally theoretical).
I hope that clears things up for you.
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***”I’ve forgotten more than you’ll ever know”***
It doesn’t matter how much you’ve forgotten, since you never learned anything in the first place.
***”You see, a peaceful immigrant who has not violated anyone’s rights is guilty of nothing more than “mala prohibita” a “victimless crime”.””***
Oh yeah, got to love those peaceful Coyotes, robbing their own citizens so those people can, in turn, rob us Americans. And those peaceful MS-13 members, wonderful peace-loving people they are. And let’s not forget those peaceful cartels, for example, in Juarez kidnapping Americans and executing them across the border. And those peaceful pimps selling their children for a night of entertainment. And those peaceful thieves coming here with a big, friendly smile as they steal our jobs. And those peace-loving people giving birth here so they can collect welfare from our taxpayers. Oh yeah, and ALL of those foreign nationals who “peacefully” think they have the right to decide our nations immigration policies.
Victimless? That would be every American taxpayer. That would be many American people, including the poor and middle class whose pay scales have been undermined, as well as their jobs being stolen, as well as their properties and privacy rights being violated as the illegal aliens cross through their property. And the hospitals being closed down due to hoards of foreign nationals using our emergency rooms for free health care. And lets not forget that every person that believes in democracy is also a victim. We the people have the right to decide our immigration policies. Not foreigners. They can decide their own nations immigration policies… and btw, Mexico is among the harshest nations in enforcing their own immigration policies. They don’t hesitate to deport illegals, if caught.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14632
I have to laugh at your repetitive ad hominem arguments. Too bad you can’t handle the truth thrown in your face. And don’t presume to know my education, you’d very likely be wrong.
***”BTW: If I saw you attempting to make a citizens’ arrest of an “illegal” I might just pretend to help out and then shoot you in the back of your head. Think about that, long and hard, moron.”***
Just what I would expect from such a “peace-loving” Anarchist like you.
Like I said, you and your illegal friends belong behind bars… you quite a bit longer than most of the illegals.
btw, this US Marine, and black belt of two different martial arts (Hapkido and Judo), would mop the floor with your face should you ever try, think about that.
… I’m more than qualified to defend myself. Punk.
***”I hope that clears things up for you.”***
Yes, it confirms what I thought in the first place; you are an ignorant moron.
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I didn’t read most of your remark, I just went straight to the logical foundation of your misconceptions. Here it is:
“Victimless? That would be every American taxpayer. ”
This just proves how imbecilic you are. Myself, along with the ACTUAL libertarian movement in millions of books, movies, magazine articles, etc. has pointed out that the victim is created by the welfare taxation, not any one group of welfare recipients.
What you are is a mindless conformist who has figured out a few pieces of the philosophy of freedom. To prove this, translate your argument to every kind of “mala prohibita” victimless crime that Ron Paul opposes:
“Victimless? That would be every American taxpayer. ”
By that same logic,
1) The drug addict who beats his wife can blame the drugs for his actions, and since the taxpayers “will have to” step in to fix the problem when she winds up against him in court, drugs should be illegal. The same for the taxpayers who “have to” cover his debts.
2) The gambler who gambles his kids’ college money away victimizes his family, and since the taxpayers “will have to” step in to fix the problem when theywind up against him in court, gambling should be illegal. The same for the taxpayers who “have to” cover his debts.
3) The illegals who wind up in court because they defrauded someone can’t be held accountable, and don’t have papers documenting who they are, because it’s “illegal” for them to be here. They wind up in the emergency rooms, so we “have to” pay for them.
The fallacy in all these alleged reasons for outlawing victimless action is that “the taxpayers have to pay”. No, they don’t.
Every legitimate problem you have with immigration is actually a legitimate problem with _welfare programs_.
The problem is with the welfare programs, not the welfare recipients. Or, if the problem is with the welfare recipients, it is with ALL of the welfare recipients, not just the ones born in other places. Learn to be consistent, dolt.
This is why I don’t like Ron Paul’s un-libertarian pandering on the issue of immigration. He actually understands and (sometimes, depending on who he’s speaking to) agrees with my argument. In his mind, the ends justify the means, and maybe he’s right: he’s mentioned several times that if we didn’t have a welfare state, immigration would be no problem.
The trouble? Socially intolerant people (presumably like yourself) give him a lot of campaign contributions.
BTW: You’re a moron if you call yourself a libertarian, and think that because the state blesses certain violence, that makes it acceptable. You’re a person with a lot of hate who is secretly aware that their remarks are foolish, which is why you don’t bother to narrow down which Ryan you are.
BTW: when you list off groups of people that contain a lot of violent people, who are in favor of immigration, and then say “see immigrants are violent”, you make yourself look really, really unintelligent. Nothing in an of being an “illegal immigrant” makes anyone be a “Coyote”, human trafficker, member of La Raza, etc… If the violence of those groups was your problem, then why include the entire class of illegals? Why not be more specific?
The irony is, like the people who want to outlaw gambling and illegal drugs, you seem to not understand the difference between root cause, and unintended effect.
1) You are missing the point that the illegality you seek to enforce is the very thing that caused all the bad UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, because it pushed the victims of your favored legislation outside the bounds of the law. Just like alcohol dealers and buyers didn’t go to the authorities during prohibition to settle disputes, just like illegal drug dealers and buyers don’t go to the authorities to settle disputes right now, “illegals” can’t go to the authorities to settle disputes. This sets up a new set of victims and victimizers that are “outside the law”. You have to be a real newbie to libertarianism –or an agent provacateur– to not understand this.
2) If you have a problem with welfare, then why focus on mexican immigrants? The overal welfare problem is the root problem. Do you think white English speakers should have welfare, but “illegals” should not? If so, your position is that social engineering on the basis of race is OK. (This position is technically racist, although I’m sure that probably hadn’t occured to you.)
Really, people who oppose the freedom to travel freely are not libertarian at all. They are, actually, toxic to a successful libertarian movement, because they take the widespread gains in individual freedom, and they associate it with marginal demographics desperate for a political movement that will tolerate them.
Sadly, Luis Gutierrez (and many mainstream Democrats) are therefore more libertarian on the issue of immigration than Ron Paul is. Instead of finding common cause with them, we stupidly rebel against them and attach ourselves to the tiny, uninformed, arguably hateful demographic of people like “Ryan”.
Read the links I put out there Ryan. They were written for less hateful, more thoughtful, more tolerant versions of yourself.
Oh yeah, I also don’t care if you can “kick my ass”. LOL. Maybe you will, maybe you won’t. If you do “kick my ass” AKA initiate force against me (or state force against an innocent illegal immigrant), and I am somehow unable to gun you down like the statist dog you are, my friends will retaliate, because I’m not a big fighter dude. I don’t care if you think I’m a wimp because of that:
the far greater shame is being racist and intellectually dishonest with yourself. If you can live with that, then you deserve to live with that.
Adios!
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Well, in that case I won’t read any of your post.
As it is now, you are an Anarchist pretending to be a libertarian.
A want-to-be murderer… how libertarian of you. lol
A supporter of criminal invasion of foreign lands. How Hitler-Saddam-like of you.
.. and you are almost certainly an illegal alien yourself. Only illegal aliens are as criminally motivated as you are to keep the invasion coming.
Enjoy your deportation.
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“Estamos Unidos” means we’re united, but it sounds very similar to “Estados Unidos” (United States). Replace “Estamos Unidos” with “Estados Unidos” and you get this:
(To the) United States with McCain. Let’s keep up the hope! Let’s maintain our unity! We’ll never give in! We’ll never give up! United States! Join the team. John McCain for President.
Yep, I can definitely imagine McCain leading gangs of illegals across the border. Maybe he should run for the Presidency of Mexico?
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Pep talk alright, but military commander? That’s too generous… he’s more like a Mexican coyote (human trafficker) cheering up a bunch of illegals before they cross the border.
http://www.amren.com/mexguide/mexguide.html
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Almost sounds like a pep talk by some Mexican military commander!
Adelanteee!!
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I thought this was a joke but it’s real: http://www.johnmccain.com/espanol/
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