Kiran Chetry: The last time you were with us you explained why you were against the government’s bailout plan, why you were voting against it, and you didn’t believe focusing on buying these troubled assets was the smart thing to do. Now since then, they’ve tweaked it and decided to buy stakes in some U.S. banks. Do you think that’s a better strategy to help heal the economy?
Ron Paul: No, they tweaked it up, you know. It started out as a three-page document and went up to 450 pages. Instead of $700 billion it’s up to $850 billion. Reuters had a story out this morning today. They estimate it’s going to cost the American taxpayer about $5 trillion. So no, it’s tweaking in the wrong direction, and I don’t think it’s going to do any good whatsoever.
Kiran Chetry: Well, the credit markets are starting to loosen up a bit, at least from what we’ve seen this week. Is that a sign that maybe it is working?
Ron Paul: Well, maybe to some degree in the short run, but that just means we’ll have more inflation. You can’t create $5 trillion out of thin air and not expect inflation. So although the dollar may be up a little bit right now because the markets are a little calmer, this just means that in time we’re going to all suffer and pay for this, and we’re going to pay for it with higher prices.
And, this is the serious problem. It’s the attack on the dollar system. They’re trying to save the dollar, but this system that we’ve had since 1971 is nonviable, and it’s coming to an end. That’s what this whole story is about, the end of a monetary system that we’ve had since 1971.
And something has to give. You just can’t create more money out of thin air and propping up everybody. It’s an immoral system. You’re asking the poor people to bail out the rich. You’re asking the innocent people to bail out the guilty. You’re asking people to just totally defy the Constitution because there’s no place in the Constitution that says that we can do these things.
And besides, economically, it’s a disaster. This is going to cause a great deal of harm. It’s like a drug addict taking a strong fix, and he feels better for a day or two, but believe me, we’re going to kill the patient. And the patient here is the dollar system and our entire world economy. So, I would say let’s get off this addiction.
Kiran Chetry: Congressman, have you heard anything from either of the presidential candidates about their economic plans that you think are good things that need to be implemented?
Ron Paul: No, not really, but, you know, it’s tough to find out the good parts. I do think that John McCain has a better approach to the medical problem, and Obama has a better approach to trying to save some money by coming home from Iraq. You know, we’re spending $10 billion a month over there. So we could save a lot of money, and that money should be spent back here. Quite frankly, how can we trust anybody? Because, you know, when it comes to the bailout, how do they differ? Both McCain and Obama come rushing back to Washington and vote for the bailout.
Kiran Chetry: It was approved in both houses. I know you voted against it. That leads me to another question. If Barack Obama ends up winning, it looks like the Democrats would really have a trifecta in Congress, both houses and the White House. What does that mean for the American people and also for the GOP?
Ron Paul: Well, I mean, it’s a disaster for the country and everybody because, even with all the shortcomings of John McCain, his strongest argument to be president is keep the Congress and the presidency in separate hands. The American people are going to be a lot better off if they’re fighting a little bit instead of just having no restraints whatsoever. That’s a poor reason to argue for McCain.
Kiran Chetry: I know what you’re saying. Staff members writing on your own website say the Democratic takeover of both houses of Congress and the White House this November would be a “repudiation of false conservatism of the Republican Party”. How do you get back to some of those fiscally conservative ideals?
Ron Paul: Well, it’s going to be tough because you have to convince the American people that that’s what we need. And everybody now is realizing in the country there’s something seriously wrong with our whole financial system and our governmental system.
But the big question is: Does the majority of the American people believe the government can still take care of us, or should we get the government out of the way, quit spending money, balance the budget, bring our troops home, and let the American people keep the money they earn?
That means drastically reducing taxes. Get the government out of this overregulation, and give up on this idea that inflation solves everybody’s problems. If inflation, that is the creation of new money, could solve everybody’s problems, which they’re claiming right now, nobody would ever have to work again. If $5 trillion could save this economy, why work? Just print money, and everybody will be happy.
So they don’t understand the idea that people have to work. People have to save, instead of consumers spending more money. The market is saying you should back off, spend less money, and save money. Everybody says, no, don’t save money. You’re supposed to go out there and spend money.
But the people who have saved in the last five years have money in the bank, and cash is good right now. They’re going to buy up the bargains. They’re going to get a good deal on a house. Prices on houses should come down. We shouldn’t keep them artificially high. We shouldn’t try to stimulate housing. There are too many houses. We should let the market make these decisions.
It’s arrogant for the politicians and the bureaucrats to believe they can plan the economy and sort this all out. We’ve been doing it for all these years, and the monetary system is so confusing and so corrupt, that the sooner we get back to believing in ourselves, believing in freedom, believing in sound money, believing in the Constitution, we’re going to solve these problems.
But right now there’s a fight going on in this country. Our numbers are growing. We’re not the majority, but our numbers are growing. And as this situation deteriorates, more people are going to say, hey, maybe it’s right. Maybe limited government and freedom works. Maybe freedom is popular, and maybe freedom really works. And this idea that we have to depend on government for all these programs is an illusion.