51 responses to “Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on Ending the War on Drugs”

  1. nedmorlef

    Steven I too am a born again Christian. I was forced to take a drug test and then sent to clean asbestos dust by my employer at 18. I was told I would be dead 10 yrs ago from lung cancer. I am still clean after 30 yrs and I credit my medicinal use of cannabis. Right or wrong I implore you to read the bible. Look up in your concordance “every green herb” & “herb bearing seed” and you will find that God on the 6th day found all plants and herbs bearing seed to be VERY GOOD.”

    He went on to say it several more times throughout the old & new testaments.
    “Nothing is evil of itself” also says the bible. Only man is evil. Even the animals live & die w/o malice.

    I quit smoking when I became a Christian until I read & studied the bible for myself. I am redeemed and “all things in moderation” is good.

    I am a fan but, I disagree with you. God Bless in Christ.

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  2. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness

    Growing plants should not be taxed. Think of the huge bureaucracy needed to tax plants (inspectors, surveillence, invasion of privacy). People should be allowed to grow any kind of plant they want without restriction or taxes. Only the SALE of cannabis should be taxed by the state (not the federal government). The states could have a modest tax on cannabis which is collected at the point of sale. Cannabis is just an easy to grow weed. Let’s be reasonable. Someone buying cannabis should not have to pay more than $10 an ounce (including tax). If you tax something heavily then you have the black market problem again. Don’t sell or deliver to minors unless they have a doctor’s prescription. End prohibition of all drugs now. People got to be free.

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  3. Iconoclast

    H.R. 1207 would be the first place to start. AUDIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE and watch the skeletons come out of the closet. Shit rolls downhill from their.

    Remember their are no “buts” in the Bill of Rights, the government put them their trying to usurp them by “interpteting them for you. Sometimes too much help is no good. Read them they say what they mean, no scholars, lawyers or interpretors required!

    As of now we have a President that is aiding and abetting the criminality of the last President and his cronies. He has risen to criminal status himself. If you “knowingly” aid and abet a crime you go to jail or prison. Our government and our leaders were supposed to be subservient to us, we have become subservient to them. It is time to make a fuss in any (peaceful) way shape or form you can, and if that doesnt work remember the words of lincoln:

    “Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right – a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit.”

    ~ Abraham Lincoln, (speech in Congress January 1848)

    “THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT YOUR FRIEND” – Former Federal Judge Andrew Napolitano

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  4. Marianne Ernhart

    Robert — It wasn’t Alec Baldwin– it was Chuck Baldwin who
    was Constitution Paty candidate for President. That alone should
    have dictated a “FREEDOM” position not con Ron Paul’s position!

    Has anyone questioned WHY those controlling the media want to put
    this issue in front of Ron Paul? Of course, he is right BUT most
    Americans FEAR drug abuse, violence, and power! The government is certainly using the “War on Drugs” to generate FEAR and maintain their power. IT’S REALLY ABOUT POPULATION CONTROL and
    MARGINALIZING RON PAUL et. al.

    Can we UNITE and TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK? Will we? We MUST or we
    are RUINED!

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  5. Robert

    What is truly sad about Alec Baldwin, is he was paid to be there by his sponsors the alcohol industry. There is nothing left of him but a shallow display of ego and greed. The only way his voice is heard any more is as a radical, someone who needs to force the will on others, someone clutching for a shred of significance in a empty life, visibly plagued by alcohol and prescription drug abuse. That his ego would condemn literally millions of people to the war on drugs a civil war of a government attacking it’s won citizens is appalling, that he doesn’t care that millions will suffer to feed his ego is even worse. The is no such thing as a war on drugs, it is a war on people, a war on freedom and a war on adult choice.

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  6. Brendan

    “smoke weed every day, i dont give a s***! i dont give a f***” -Nick Swardson

    not legalizing marijuana is like saying wikipedia isnt reliable… retarded, and you are in the end only limiting yourself.

    and to counter the gateway drug fallacy, please read up on your wikipedia Mr. Baldwin

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)

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  7. daniel

    That is a legitimate statement on how to properly tax a plant that can be grown anywhere any size, the only way to get it done is mass amounts of pressure to your states leaders, also it would eliminate the above problem of illegals and violence at our border and cut off the profits that Mexican drug cartels are receiving

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  8. Chris

    Why not just legalize it and allow people to grow it or buy it? Of course you must be over 18 just like you have to for tobacco.

    Do we really need to have a $50 per ounce tax? Don’t we really already pay enough in taxes to our government who can’t seem to manage what we give them as it is?

    How about if you want to grow it charge a $100 per plant fee and get a tag that goes on each plant you grow this way the state gets it’s money right off the top. Plus they know how many is being grown by who and keeps you from going over each counties legal amount.

    Then if you get caught growing without tags on your plants the Cops, Sheriffs cut them down and fine you $100 per plant? No criminal prosecution period as it’s a waste of time.

    Then you want to sell it you pay a tax just like any other person who say grows something and sells it.

    The above should have nothing to do with going after all the illegal Mexican cartels growing in the national forest for many
    reasons. Deforestation, illegal and harmful chemicals and pesticides, violence and firearms and let’s not forget that all their money goes back out of the country. The USA get’s no benefits from them.

    I think this would help eliminate a huge mess on this war on drugs.

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    1. travis

      I do believe that about ten states have a pot tax stamp. If you purchase it, you must take your pot to them so they can weigh it. When you take it to the tax office in any state that has the pot stamp, you are basically doing a illegal act under the u.s. government. Look at California, New Mexico, both states have a prescription pot law on the books under state law. Its the federal law that screws every person who needs it for cancer and other medical uses. It would have to be the federal government that changes its law, not the state.

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      1. MuddSlinger

        Sadly enough even if someone wanted to purchase a tax stamp and be a law-biding citizen in a fictitious world, this would be great, but here in reality they have never really sold these Marijuana Tax Stamps, its just another way to make Marijuana users a criminal.

        I personally find a $5 to $10 tax on my buds an acceptable thing, its a direct tax and would fully legal under the constitution of the United States. I would want those tax revenues to be used for schools, and other projects that would support the local communities where the tax is generated.

        I have to throw this out there, just in case Mr. Baldwin actually believes Marijuana is a gateway drug that leads those who use to on to harder drugs. Mr. Baldwin an educated person would already realize there is absolutely no chemical found in Marijuana or any other drug for that matter, that causes a person to take a so called step up to a harder more dangerous drug..

        When in fact, what causes this gateway drug effect, you happily threw out there like you thought you had some great factual information to crush the infidel pot heads with. Is actually, 100% caused by Prohibition itself.

        Prohibition is what has taken the education of children about drugs out of the parents, schools, and communities hands, and places them in the hands solely of drug dealers.

        For example, let’s say John is 16 years old and he goes to buy some weed from the drug dealer on the corner. The drug dealer just happens to not only sell weed, but hey he happens to also have a pocket full of crack rocks, and a pocket full of little heroin tar balls, cause its a vast unregulated black market under prohibition the dealer does it to make a living so he sells weed, crack, heroin, and other drugs as well.

        Now, John is buying a $20 sack of weed from said drug dealer, while he’s buying that bag of weed, the dealer says hey man, you ever tried crack, man? I got the killer rocks, and I’ll make you a great deal.

        Now, John has in fact been taken into that so called gateway drug effect, you so ignorantly threw out in you support of your ANTI-Legalization Stance.

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  9. Andrew Deame

    Why not just have it a state decision? Then we could have everybody who didn’t want it legalized move out of the state that legalizes it. Done. Simple as that. Of coarse then they’d have to deal with the underground drug cartel dealers in the state where it’s illegal. I don’t know, it’s such an obvious decision, I can’t wait until I can walk into my liquor store and go in the back section to buy a big fat sack of grass. GOD BLESS RON PAUL.

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  10. Iconoclast

    What many miss about the so called “war on drugs” is the intent of it.

    The intent was to allow government to grow. The war on drugs was never meant to be won. I love Doctor Paul but sometimes he doesn’t seem to get why things are the way they are.He seems to actually think Congress will grow a spine. These recent wars on drugs and terror are wars on We the People and allow our government to grow exponentially beyond its bounds.

    The banksters that control our government have been subverting the Constitution since day one. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights were meant to be understood by an 18th century Bozo and required no interpretations, lawyers or scholars to decipher them. They say what they say and there are no buts inserted. Unfortunately our government (the same one that wants to keep growing) took it upon itself to “interpret” the Amendments and twisted them into an unintelligible quagmire while allowing themselves to grow to the behemoth, tax guzzling, permit making monster that we have to contend with today.

    Because of the drug war wiretapping and home invasions have become routine and shows like Cops make these thugs look like heroes while brainwashing the unwitting masses in the process.

    Many have no clue that the most implicated entity in the smuggling of drugs into the country is the government itself and that the Taliban had eradicated 95% of the opium poppies prior to our invasion of Afghanistan which occurred just before growing season. Now Heroin has reached its abundantly healthy 100% of the finest Heroin ever and floods our streets and schools. Wall Street is propped up by drugs and the Taliban knew this well which is why they eradicated it in the first place.

    Take out the Banksters running America and we can take back America and the people can again begin to rule it by the Constitutional Laws we started with. Only this time create an Amendment that thwarts the Banksters and holds them culpable for their treasonous activities and buying off of our leaders.

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    1. travis

      You want to know who really controls the country. The companies you get your prescription drugs from. Think about it, if they even legalize pot, there will be a bigger job loss, and a huge inflation. Think about how dependent elderly people are for there prescription drugs. Most prescription drugs have a worse side effect than what its prescribed for. Pot on the other hand only has about three, and its nothing any one can’t handle. I think we all can handle the munchies( the country is already overweight),uncontrollable laughter, and a little paranoia.

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    2. MuddSlinger

      This War on Drugs was tool for the Nixon Administration to beable to quickly and swiftly crush the Anti-Vietnam War Movement. Once the drug war was enacted, as we can all see the Anti-War Protests were quickly squashed by the Nixon/Hoover Run government.

      I could continue on & on & on & on, about all the illegal and morally wrong events that have taken place since this illegal war on the people of this nation started, including one of the sickest & morally corrupt actions, being the use of The D.A.R.E program and mental conditioning in schools to get children to turn their parents in if they had ever seen them use this type of pipe or rolled marijuana cigarettes, and so on…

      At the end of the day, every damn state needs to show the Federal Government whose always been in charge and will always be in charge. If all 50 states demand change in unity, and the states demands aren’t followed, by the people, then each state should direct their elected house and senate representatives, to move on presidential impeachment. Then once that is done and the president is impeached, then each state needs to recall all their elected federal representatives.

      Leaving Capital Hill Abandoned. Returning The Power Where It Belongs In The hands of the States.

      I know its all wishful thinking, since the majority are sheepele, and already brainwashed into following the Republican & Democrat political parties right off a cliff to their death, without a second thought.

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  11. Bill O. Rights

    Ron Paul is a common sense, clear thinking man. Of course the drug war is a failure just as prohibition of alcohol was a failure. End the war on drugs and end drug related crime. Put the drug syndicates out of business. America was a free country – I hope it will be free again someday.

    I think the comment about heavy drinkers in Congress was to show how hipocritical that bunch is. They think it’s okay to get high on certain drugs (alcohol) and arbitrarily ban certain other drugs (marijuana, ect.) Personal liberty, personal responsibility. No more nanny state. Bring back the land of the free.

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    1. travis

      This country is not what we learned about in school. I remember learning about this country, and its genesis. The first people wanted to be free, so they fought, and won. We can’t overthrow our government, but we can sure change the way our kids think. They will be the ones governing this country.

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  12. JiMMy

    Ron got off to a rough start there as usual, but ultimately whooped any opposition.

    My favorite line from the Baldwin was:

    “It’s a very simple reality: marijuana leads to doing worse things. That’s just a fact. I don’t care what anybody says or what the debate is. When you smoke marijuana at a young age it will usually lead to alcohol abuse…”

    This was his ace in the hole. So, it cant be legalized. Why? Its too dangerous, because it could potentially lead to using a legalized drug. Nice.

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    1. Observer

      At least Baldwin knows what he is talking about. In fact I am suprised Mr. Paul didn’t blame the Fed for marijuana.

      Really, my favorite line from Mr. Paul was the

      1) Holy OMG let stoned people drive!!!
      2) OMG I really have ZERO idea how to compare nicotine, weed, and alcohol

      Seriously, when was the last time you think Ron Paul hung out with ANYONE that smokes marijuana?

      Oh wait, he was just talking cause he likes to change the subject.

      Ron Paul is getting weird, and lol ‘alcoholics are in congress’ and ‘some federal thug is gonna break in and arrest some kind’.

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      1. platon

        first of all moron, rp doesn’t hold a ‘doctorate’, but an m.d.; that stands for (because you are obviously incurably stupid), a ‘medical doctor’. not that this degree qualifies him or anyone to be an expert in policy and law, which is the crux of his argument. i have no idea where people like you come from. probably jersey lol

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      2. p.s. richards

        I think Ron was referring to the fact that Big Alcohol, not to mention Big Pharm/Tobacco, hold millions of dollars of sway over many Congressmen, and help to keep any pro-hemp/cannabis legislation out of Congress due to the huge losses they would see if these plants were legalized.

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      3. travis

        So this guy must be one of the law abiding people in this country.HMMMMMMM
        I call you out. We all do something illegal. Every shrink will tell you that its only human. If someone tells you its something you can’t do, then you do it. about 51% of the time. We need a revolution. I am not saying violent, but we can sure gather in the masses. This would make any politician,and or government listen to what the people want. If they do not listen then we all move to Canada.(i am not a big fan of Canada)

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  13. D Parsons

    This was a very silly debate. They couldn’t find a tougher opponent than the idiot Baldwin?

    I guess it wouldn’t matter since there is no sensible opposition to legalized marijuana.

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  14. T Reamonn

    The bottom line is:

    Drugs are cool, and people should stop being suckers!

    I’m not saying that it’s necessarily every mother’s duty to get there child drunk and high by the age of three, but it’s time for people to wake up a realize that prohibition doesn’t work and if they can’t accept that then they should just whack themselves over the head with a hammer and stop trying to piss me off.

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    1. travis

      That is so right. Look at Amsterdam the crime rate is almost zero. The only reason we have drug enforcement laws is for the money. That is the bottom line. Its a way to finance the over spending the government has incurred on the future generations. The average fine for a misdemenor drug charge is 600.00. You can figure there is two or three million people every year that get charged. That is state money not well spent.

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  15. Dereck

    I have a brother who is about to do 5 years for owning a plant. I am so sick and tired of hearing people say it’s a gateway drug. Most of the pot smokers I know stick to pot exclusively. Most are peaceful proud tax paying americans. Pot laws have torn my family apart and I have become very resentful of our goverment. If your argument is the tired, old “gateway drug” approach. Then sit back enjoy your caffine, nicotine or alcohol and think about how much better you are than me.

    Thanks to Mr Ron Paul. I am now a supporter for life

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  16. T Reamonn

    We should ask Stephen Baldwin if he believes Martin Scorsese should have been punished for having abused Cocaine when he was younger.

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  17. Ross

    Drugs have always been used by man in some form or another.Ban one and someone will invent a new one.On the other hand ,legalise everything and we could have a problem many times that of alcohol.

    If Govt is allowed to tax drugs and then Govt has a vested interest in their dissemination.Do we develop a twilight situation wherby the taking of drugs is not illegal but the resulant poor behaviour is penalised with no excuses.There are no easy solutions.

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  18. Jay G.

    Ron Paul clearly won the debate. Simply because there wasn’t a debate. Steve Baldwin hardly got to say anything. Don’t get me wrong I am clearly for ending the Drug War. Even if Baldwin was able to speak the facts align with Dr. Paul’s position. I have to admit that it was nice to see Ron Paul able to monopolize a debate for a change, usually he’s the one twiddling his thumbs waiting for a chance to speak.

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  19. travis

    Any one else notice how High stephen baldwin was. Ever since Arnold became the govenor of california we let actors and singers into the world of politics. This is a pet peve of mine and i think we the people should decide not this so called government.

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    1. observer

      No offense, but since when did we let people who have no idea who, how or, why people smoke weed… Make weed related decisions?

      I don’t care if Dr. Paul has a ‘Doctorate’, he obviously hangs around with the drinkers in congress and admittedly has:

      1) No idea if stoned people drive
      2) If stoned people drive, apparently they are faultless!!

      It’s like Mr. Paul saying ‘when was the last time you heard someone in BFE Texas get pulled over for cocaine!’

      Dude, Ron Paul might be progressive thinking, but he is like Ozzy Osbourne, he is just spent toooo much time in his enivronment (politics) to know a single thing he isn’t fed…

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      1. p.s. richards

        Studies have shown that stoned drivers are actually more cautious drivers than your average cellphone talking/big mac eating driver. Also, many of my friends and I are all regularly stoned while driving and have no trouble at all. Ron Paul is either enlightened enough to see this or has smoked a couple joints going down the road before.

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      2. travis

        So what are you saying that we shouldn’t let politicians make decisions for us? I would have to agree to that. We were supposed to be free not a little free with a lot of laws. Check the books they didn’t start making a whole lot of laws until the 1940′s.

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  20. Darrell

    Ron:

    Not sure how often you may check into this site, but I hope this one makes it to you.

    After the bailouts, failed immigration policies (or lack there of), selling debt to China, . . . list goes on and on, it appears the greatest country in the world is headed for ruin. Washington has served as a whore to the highest bidders–foreign governments, corporate lobbiest, and big oil. Our debt is out of control, our jobs have headed over seas, and our country is being invaded by a mexican nation who insist on a dual society.
    All of this just to say that we cannot wait a moment longer to reclaim our country. Now is the time for the second American Revolution, and you should be the one to lead this effort. I and many others are willing to take back our country, but cannot succeed without a unified and organized effort. If you lead, we’ll follow.
    Please help.

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  21. Dan D

    yeah the state receives tax money, but it’s the feds that have the problem. A state can make it medically legal, the FED’s, however, still have it classified as an illegal substance on all accounts.
    So, yes it is a state issue, and i don’t see why the government thinks they should step in and tell the people that what they voted for it wrong.

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  22. Terry

    Come on guys is it that hard to see that Baldwin is high as f*ck.

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    1. D Parsons

      No.

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  23. marcus

    Dear Ron Paul,

    I love you!

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  24. steffen

    Was it even a debate? Baldwin only had one point and ron paul did his usually long winded speeches (which i would usually rather hear the the other guy anyway). it didnt seem that Stephen was really there to depate, he spoke for about 30 secs…

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  25. Bob

    Sorry, but is the polling even necessary? You probably have an idea what the result will be. Yes, and I voted the last option :) It’s there, somebody got to vote it.

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  26. Joe

    I like Stephen Baldwin, however at the end there he acted a lot like his brother.

    I agree with the Doctor that it is a State Issue.

    Joe

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  27. Mike Martin

    Mr. Baldwin is not very well versed in his American History. The main staple crop of our founding fathers was hemp. It was a prime factor in the frontier economy. George Washington himself tended to his hemp fields, as did Jefferson. The Declaration of Independence most likely was written on hemp paper. Its uses are mentioned above, paper, cloth, ethanol, bio-fuels, all are uses for this simple weed. As for the ignorant Gateway Drug theorists, all addicts interviewed indicated that they had started on …MILK!
    Let’s ban the cows. As many are aware, the number 1 topic on Change.org website concerned the de-criminalization and/or legalization of marijuana. Let us NOT permit this groundswell to subside. Remember “DO IT NOW!”

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    1. observer

      Let me get this straight, you are comparing growing hemp with getting stoned off of cannabis? They aren’t even the same type of plant. You must not be very well versed in botany, or you are misrepresenting the facts :(

      Additionally, hemp was “The main staple crop of our founding fathers”? I could have sworn it was cotton…

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      1. travis

        This guy you replied to wants to ban cows. Wow what a tree hugging remark, and i do not mean hippies. I am talking about the enviromentalists who started this whole global warming. The war on drugs is just a ploy to get you the good giving tax payer, to look this way, while they the people spending our money, to make bad decisions,some if we could find the paper trail,if there even is one, would be so illegal that it would put the war on drugs in the back corner of some government controlled building, and never be mentioned again.

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  28. Aaron G

    You know I think its funny but I was talking to someone I know about this interview. He was on Baldwin’s side, the anti-legalization side,of the argument. What makes it funny to me is that he,my friend, is a big time pot-head. I just don’t get it! Someone who smokes pot illegally doesn’t believe it should be made legal. I just don’t get it.

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    1. travis

      Your pot smoking friend has got to be a dealer. If its legal he would be put out of business, or start paying taxes. I am not against pot. I think it should be flooded into the country a whole lot more than we are currently getting. Think about it flood the system, and then there is no control. That is how our founders of this country would have done it. If there is such a great quantity more than any government agency or state can handle they cant put us all in prison for having pot.

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  29. Erin E

    Baldwin definiteley sounded like an idiot. If he had at least one brain cell then he would know that the whole gateway theory has been disproven. It’s a bunch of malarky! One of my best friends tried cocaine before she tried anything so that proves that the gateway drug is differnent for everyone. Baldwin also wants to say that there’s no reasearch proving what it does…but again, that’s because the feds wont allow any reasearch to be done; the reasearch that is done is done with the shwaggiest of cannabis so the findings aren’t really conclusive. Cannabis is the only intoxicant/medicine that doesn’t have to be altered in any way to make it psycho-active and over 1,500lbs of it would have to be smoke in under 15 minutes in order to cause an overdose. Alcohol and tobacco cause over 400,000 deaths per year, but yet the public is told that cannabis is the most dangerous drug. People want to complain about all the violence surrounding drugs, but that’s because criminals are the ones controlling the market. There’s not breathalizer, as of now, that can detect current use, but there are other field sobriety tests that can be administered. People seems to think that if cannabis is regulated that kids will be able to buy it, but they can buy it now. Dealers don’t card anyone. The U.S was supposed to be founded on personal liberty. Every citizen is supposed to have to personal freedom to live their life the way they choose, just so long as they’re not hurting anyone of endangering anyone. If people are allowed to use alcohol with the assumption that they’ll be responsible, then adults should be allowed to use a safer and less toxic substance that has mutiple uses. Cannabis can be used medicinally without adverse effects and it can be used recreationally to intoxicate. The parts of the plant not smoked can be used to make anything from plastic, metal, oil, fabrics, fuel…There are so many uses for cannabis but yet everyday we’re lied to by the feds. It’s disgusting.

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  30. Daniel DeFehr

    Ron, it seems these days you are the only politician that makes any sense. I want to personally thank you for being a responsible, down to earth, concerned citizen. I really don’t understand how more people don’t make the connection between alcohol prohibition and this war on drugs. A significant amount of people already smoke marijuana, making it legal won’t get more people to do it by any means. Besides, the government can get tax money from it! Please keep doing what you’re doing.

    Sincerely,
    A worried American

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    1. Terry

      They do receive tax money from it . A club owner in southern california pays between $300,000 to $500,000 a year in taxes. I don’t understand if the government is knowingly receiving/taking money from socalled drug dealers doesn’t that mean there braking the law and should be jailed for being an accomplices.

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  31. Patrick Wood

    Complex and Simple Regulation and Advantages of Marijuana under Complex Regulation
    By: Patrick Ray Wood
    Before I begin let me define the two main terms I will be using and give my basic belief of what is classified as a drug.
    Simple regulation: Government or society in universally making an Item illegal to possess for the elimination of an item from society (Primary Form)
    Complex Regulation: Regulating an item not on the basis of illegalization but on the bases of laws of distribution and other aspects of private property laws, (I definitely not lawery) is complex regulation.
    My Belief: The base qualities of a drug are the abilities to alter the bio-chemical physiological process of the brain, (mental processes and automatic process.) Marijuana is a drug, it has the base qualities of a drug, drugs like cocaine, heroin, meth, advil, anti-depressants, alcohol, nicotine, and many other common drug store items. But like Advil, anti-depressants and other medicinal/psychotically prescribed medication it as a utility and like alcohol and cigarettes it is not harmful enough to society or to the individual to be designated as an illegal item. (To clarify an illegal item is an item that is absolutely harmful to society or the individual either physically and mentally)
    There are varying degrees of regulation, like laws of distribution of alcohol vs. the prohibition of alcohol. In order to regulate an item it is easiest to eliminated the need to regulate on a complex level (laws of distribution) by making the item illegal to possess. The simple regulation of an item is not a set of particular delegated regulations of an item but simple regulation is the general regulation of an item, mainly in the sense of the illegalization (elimination) of an item within a society. With simple regulation the prime means of regulation are controlled by the police state. Simple regulation is necessary if and only if the item in question is absolutely physically/mentally harmful to the individual or society like murder, rape, and stealing and many other unquestionable atrocities. The main problem of simple regulation of an item that is not absolutely harmful and is capable of being of utility for society or the individual is that it allows for complex regulation of an item but not through lawful means, drug cartels and black market. (Utility that can facilitate in the flourishing of the individual or society is main factor of an item within society because in its utility for furloughing, it is a need, and all needs in a capitalistic society are commoditized.)
    In the problem of illegalizing the drug of marijuana, since the regulation is confined to only the illegalization of an item in universal terms, the particular regulation of an item will be then controlled by the underground and not governed by any standard of law abiding rules. In simple regulation of an item like marijuana which is illegalized on the bases the it is a dangerous drug (harmful biochemical process in the brain) and can lead to other drugs the are even more dangerous, plus some may believe that it cannot be regulated (but more on that later), the regulation is limited to the role of only prohibiting access to the drug and use of the drug an any circumstance. While other drugs like cocaine, heroin, meth, they are by necessity restricted to simple regulation because already existing particular regulations disallow the manufacturing, distribution, or medical use of these drugs. The manufacturing and chemical process of making meth prohibited for use to all but the scientific community and science is not a business it is a study so the manufactures of the business world are restricted to the materials which the can use to make products either by health standards and business practices (distribution of a know drug that if used in small excess can kill or cause the pain of others), I In summery for brevity that the same can be said about cocaine and heroine.
    Concerning the black-market trade of marijuana (I guess, a billion dollar business) it can be avoided in that if marijuana was placed under complex regulation and thereby be legalized as a commodity (in the sense that marijuana is arguably useful and not absolutely harmful) the complex regulation from the black-market trade will be superseded by the more powerful governmental laws and restrictions. Restrictions and laws which are controlled by business and distribution laws, federal and state tax laws, and the FDA and Office of the Surgeon General. The Main point is the simple regulation of marijuana is a needless harm, if and only if marijuana offers a utility for the good of the individual and is not completely harmful it can be made into a producible (and more importantly taxable) commodities because it can be treated as a crop like cotton or rice in its means of a production and distribution. (The means of distribution and production of meth, cocaine and heroine cannot abide by the business laws that would govern them as a commodity)
    First let me try to explain the complex regulation of an item. Complex regulation is not limited to the regulation of an item, it does not allow for the simple regulation of the same item; while in simple regulation of an item on the terms of a certain party does in fact allow for another party to create complex regulations of the same item, (I.e. the black-market). For how can an item that is regulated through particular restrictions and laws also be regulated by the elimination of it. The main point of complex regulation is that it regulates from the perfected of a shared responsibility of regulation which is best accomplished the laws and restrictions decide by the society at all levels of government and more importantly the complex regulation of an item is the comodifying of and item because the desired end of complex regulation of an item is for the public use of the item and benefit of the item, (personally, socially, or economically in the capitalist sense).
    We will use alcohol and antidepressants as examples of items of regulation. In the regulation of alcohol (which was once simply regulated by prohibition, but more on this later) as it is now regulated, alcohol is not regulated in a direct way like simple regulation, but instead is regulated by the laws of distribution, business, safety, and federal (locally, stately, and federally regulation). Because alcohol is of a complex regulation it becomes a safe business commodity in that the public and citizens have been a part of every level of the regulation of alcohol through the local, federal, and state democratic processes of regulation (supposable)
    In reference to the complex regulation of pharmaceutical pills like anti-depressants (a drug that directly interferes with the chemical processes of the brain to create a desired effect), the regulation is complex because it involves federal committees like the FDA (and is supposedly governed by the Office of the Surgeon General) and therefore is supposed to have undergone proper scientific and health review that is supposed to declare it safe for the American public (I.e. will not kill the public or not cause arbitrary pain for the public.) Basically the main gist of the complex regulation of an item is that the means of its regulation are controlled and enforced through many arenas of government while simple regulation is limited to only one area of government, (the police state)
    My main argument is that marijuana is able to be an item of complex regulation and that to treat it as a simple regulation is to waste money on an item that is already complexly regulate by a black-market and thereby the government missing out on the profit of this market and suffering from the non regulated actions of the blackmarket, (drug war down south for example). The advantages of having marijuana under a complex regulation by the government as opposed to as it is now where the government controls and pays for the simple regulation while the blackmarket controls the complex regulation. It is for the economic good of America to legalize marijuana under complex regulation because it is a profitable commodity and can be taxed.
    I may send a better argument in the future this is kind of a spur of the moment Idea
    As Obama said “The Fierce Urgency of the Now”

    (I am writing this in hope that mainly it will be read and understood as a hopeful plan to help the economy and to be honest I hope that marijuana will be legalized and commoditized.)

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  32. Rick G.

    I wonder if Baldwin even realizes he is talking to a medical doctor.

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    1. Jared M.

      Why doesn’t anyone ever mention to counter the gateway drug theory that your much more likely to be introduced to harder drugs by an illegal drug dealer than say your local 7/11.

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