Comments on: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on Ending the War on Drugs http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-03-14/ron-paul-debates-stephen-baldwin-on-ending-the-war-on-drugs/ Ron Paul is America's leading voice for limited, constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, sound money, and a pro-American foreign policy. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:04:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: nedmorlefhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-03-14/ron-paul-debates-stephen-baldwin-on-ending-the-war-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-121279 nedmorlef Sat, 31 Jul 2010 20:36:03 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=1542#comment-121279 Steven I too am a born again Christian. I was forced to take a drug test and then sent to clean asbestos dust by my employer at 18. I was told I would be dead 10 yrs ago from lung cancer. I am still clean after 30 yrs and I credit my medicinal use of cannabis. Right or wrong I implore you to read the bible. Look up in your concordance "every green herb" & "herb bearing seed" and you will find that God on the 6th day found all plants and herbs bearing seed to be VERY GOOD."He went on to say it several more times throughout the old & new testaments. "Nothing is evil of itself" also says the bible. Only man is evil. Even the animals live & die w/o malice.I quit smoking when I became a Christian until I read & studied the bible for myself. I am redeemed and "all things in moderation" is good.I am a fan but, I disagree with you. God Bless in Christ. Steven I too am a born again Christian. I was forced to take a drug test and then sent to clean asbestos dust by my employer at 18. I was told I would be dead 10 yrs ago from lung cancer. I am still clean after 30 yrs and I credit my medicinal use of cannabis. Right or wrong I implore you to read the bible. Look up in your concordance “every green herb” & “herb bearing seed” and you will find that God on the 6th day found all plants and herbs bearing seed to be VERY GOOD.”

He went on to say it several more times throughout the old & new testaments.
“Nothing is evil of itself” also says the bible. Only man is evil. Even the animals live & die w/o malice.

I quit smoking when I became a Christian until I read & studied the bible for myself. I am redeemed and “all things in moderation” is good.

I am a fan but, I disagree with you. God Bless in Christ.

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]]> By: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happinesshttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-03-14/ron-paul-debates-stephen-baldwin-on-ending-the-war-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-17158 Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:11:34 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=1542#comment-17158 Growing plants should not be taxed. Think of the huge bureaucracy needed to tax plants (inspectors, surveillence, invasion of privacy). People should be allowed to grow any kind of plant they want without restriction or taxes. Only the SALE of cannabis should be taxed by the state (not the federal government). The states could have a modest tax on cannabis which is collected at the point of sale. Cannabis is just an easy to grow weed. Let's be reasonable. Someone buying cannabis should not have to pay more than $10 an ounce (including tax). If you tax something heavily then you have the black market problem again. Don't sell or deliver to minors unless they have a doctor's prescription. End prohibition of all drugs now. People got to be free. Growing plants should not be taxed. Think of the huge bureaucracy needed to tax plants (inspectors, surveillence, invasion of privacy). People should be allowed to grow any kind of plant they want without restriction or taxes. Only the SALE of cannabis should be taxed by the state (not the federal government). The states could have a modest tax on cannabis which is collected at the point of sale. Cannabis is just an easy to grow weed. Let’s be reasonable. Someone buying cannabis should not have to pay more than $10 an ounce (including tax). If you tax something heavily then you have the black market problem again. Don’t sell or deliver to minors unless they have a doctor’s prescription. End prohibition of all drugs now. People got to be free.

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]]> By: Iconoclasthttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-03-14/ron-paul-debates-stephen-baldwin-on-ending-the-war-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-17138 Iconoclast Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:39:33 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=1542#comment-17138 H.R. 1207 would be the first place to start. AUDIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE and watch the skeletons come out of the closet. Shit rolls downhill from their.Remember their are no "buts" in the Bill of Rights, the government put them their trying to usurp them by "interpteting them for you. Sometimes too much help is no good. Read them they say what they mean, no scholars, lawyers or interpretors required!As of now we have a President that is aiding and abetting the criminality of the last President and his cronies. He has risen to criminal status himself. If you "knowingly" aid and abet a crime you go to jail or prison. Our government and our leaders were supposed to be subservient to us, we have become subservient to them. It is time to make a fuss in any (peaceful) way shape or form you can, and if that doesnt work remember the words of lincoln:<b><i>"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right – a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit."</b></i>~ Abraham Lincoln, (speech in Congress January 1848)<b><i>"THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT YOUR FRIEND"</b></i> - Former Federal Judge Andrew Napolitano H.R. 1207 would be the first place to start. AUDIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE and watch the skeletons come out of the closet. Shit rolls downhill from their.

Remember their are no “buts” in the Bill of Rights, the government put them their trying to usurp them by “interpteting them for you. Sometimes too much help is no good. Read them they say what they mean, no scholars, lawyers or interpretors required!

As of now we have a President that is aiding and abetting the criminality of the last President and his cronies. He has risen to criminal status himself. If you “knowingly” aid and abet a crime you go to jail or prison. Our government and our leaders were supposed to be subservient to us, we have become subservient to them. It is time to make a fuss in any (peaceful) way shape or form you can, and if that doesnt work remember the words of lincoln:

“Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right – a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit.”

~ Abraham Lincoln, (speech in Congress January 1848)

“THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT YOUR FRIEND” – Former Federal Judge Andrew Napolitano

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]]> By: travishttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-03-14/ron-paul-debates-stephen-baldwin-on-ending-the-war-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-17134 travis Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:31:51 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=1542#comment-17134 Your pot smoking friend has got to be a dealer. If its legal he would be put out of business, or start paying taxes. I am not against pot. I think it should be flooded into the country a whole lot more than we are currently getting. Think about it flood the system, and then there is no control. That is how our founders of this country would have done it. If there is such a great quantity more than any government agency or state can handle they cant put us all in prison for having pot. Your pot smoking friend has got to be a dealer. If its legal he would be put out of business, or start paying taxes. I am not against pot. I think it should be flooded into the country a whole lot more than we are currently getting. Think about it flood the system, and then there is no control. That is how our founders of this country would have done it. If there is such a great quantity more than any government agency or state can handle they cant put us all in prison for having pot.

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]]> By: travishttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-03-14/ron-paul-debates-stephen-baldwin-on-ending-the-war-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-17133 travis Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:24:37 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=1542#comment-17133 This guy you replied to wants to ban cows. Wow what a tree hugging remark, and i do not mean hippies. I am talking about the enviromentalists who started this whole global warming. The war on drugs is just a ploy to get you the good giving tax payer, to look this way, while they the people spending our money, to make bad decisions,some if we could find the paper trail,if there even is one, would be so illegal that it would put the war on drugs in the back corner of some government controlled building, and never be mentioned again. This guy you replied to wants to ban cows. Wow what a tree hugging remark, and i do not mean hippies. I am talking about the enviromentalists who started this whole global warming. The war on drugs is just a ploy to get you the good giving tax payer, to look this way, while they the people spending our money, to make bad decisions,some if we could find the paper trail,if there even is one, would be so illegal that it would put the war on drugs in the back corner of some government controlled building, and never be mentioned again.

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]]> By: travishttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-03-14/ron-paul-debates-stephen-baldwin-on-ending-the-war-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-17132 travis Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:11:34 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=1542#comment-17132 I do believe that about ten states have a pot tax stamp. If you purchase it, you must take your pot to them so they can weigh it. When you take it to the tax office in any state that has the pot stamp, you are basically doing a illegal act under the u.s. government. Look at California, New Mexico, both states have a prescription pot law on the books under state law. Its the federal law that screws every person who needs it for cancer and other medical uses. It would have to be the federal government that changes its law, not the state. I do believe that about ten states have a pot tax stamp. If you purchase it, you must take your pot to them so they can weigh it. When you take it to the tax office in any state that has the pot stamp, you are basically doing a illegal act under the u.s. government. Look at California, New Mexico, both states have a prescription pot law on the books under state law. Its the federal law that screws every person who needs it for cancer and other medical uses. It would have to be the federal government that changes its law, not the state.

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]]> By: travishttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-03-14/ron-paul-debates-stephen-baldwin-on-ending-the-war-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-17131 travis Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:02:56 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=1542#comment-17131 You want to know who really controls the country. The companies you get your prescription drugs from. Think about it, if they even legalize pot, there will be a bigger job loss, and a huge inflation. Think about how dependent elderly people are for there prescription drugs. Most prescription drugs have a worse side effect than what its prescribed for. Pot on the other hand only has about three, and its nothing any one can't handle. I think we all can handle the munchies( the country is already overweight),uncontrollable laughter, and a little paranoia. You want to know who really controls the country. The companies you get your prescription drugs from. Think about it, if they even legalize pot, there will be a bigger job loss, and a huge inflation. Think about how dependent elderly people are for there prescription drugs. Most prescription drugs have a worse side effect than what its prescribed for. Pot on the other hand only has about three, and its nothing any one can’t handle. I think we all can handle the munchies( the country is already overweight),uncontrollable laughter, and a little paranoia.

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]]> By: travishttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-03-14/ron-paul-debates-stephen-baldwin-on-ending-the-war-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-17130 travis Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:48:31 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=1542#comment-17130 This country is not what we learned about in school. I remember learning about this country, and its genesis. The first people wanted to be free, so they fought, and won. We can't overthrow our government, but we can sure change the way our kids think. They will be the ones governing this country. This country is not what we learned about in school. I remember learning about this country, and its genesis. The first people wanted to be free, so they fought, and won. We can’t overthrow our government, but we can sure change the way our kids think. They will be the ones governing this country.

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]]> By: travishttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-03-14/ron-paul-debates-stephen-baldwin-on-ending-the-war-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-17129 travis Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:40:31 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=1542#comment-17129 So this guy must be one of the law abiding people in this country.HMMMMMMM I call you out. We all do something illegal. Every shrink will tell you that its only human. If someone tells you its something you can't do, then you do it. about 51% of the time. We need a revolution. I am not saying violent, but we can sure gather in the masses. This would make any politician,and or government listen to what the people want. If they do not listen then we all move to Canada.(i am not a big fan of Canada) So this guy must be one of the law abiding people in this country.HMMMMMMM
I call you out. We all do something illegal. Every shrink will tell you that its only human. If someone tells you its something you can’t do, then you do it. about 51% of the time. We need a revolution. I am not saying violent, but we can sure gather in the masses. This would make any politician,and or government listen to what the people want. If they do not listen then we all move to Canada.(i am not a big fan of Canada)

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]]> By: travishttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-03-14/ron-paul-debates-stephen-baldwin-on-ending-the-war-on-drugs/comment-page-1/#comment-17127 travis Fri, 10 Apr 2009 06:31:53 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=1542#comment-17127 That is so right. Look at Amsterdam the crime rate is almost zero. The only reason we have drug enforcement laws is for the money. That is the bottom line. Its a way to finance the over spending the government has incurred on the future generations. The average fine for a misdemenor drug charge is 600.00. You can figure there is two or three million people every year that get charged. That is state money not well spent. That is so right. Look at Amsterdam the crime rate is almost zero. The only reason we have drug enforcement laws is for the money. That is the bottom line. Its a way to finance the over spending the government has incurred on the future generations. The average fine for a misdemenor drug charge is 600.00. You can figure there is two or three million people every year that get charged. That is state money not well spent.

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