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  41. Bill

    You are all missing the point. We need to stop the Appropriations! That will in turn stop the Earmarks! Has everyone lost their ability to use common sense and reason? Fall the tree at it’s roots!

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  42. Sonny Phillips

    Earmarks are bribes. The healthcare bill would have never gone through without the bribes ie earmarks given to get the votes. Ron Paul is dead wrong on this one.

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    1. James

      Well, I need more information on how the earmarking process works. I have yet to find a clear, complete and SIMPLE explanation of the process of earmarks.

      Everyone I have read here mentions different aspects of the process. But I have yet to read a simple,concise,complete and factually clear explanation of the entire earmarking process. It seems to me that your disagreements here stem from an incomplete understanding or from false assumptions about the earmarking process. You are confusing me.

      I have re-read the Constitution and all the Amendments. I have a basic understanding of how laws are made and about the Separation of Powers.

      I have some very simple, basic questions that I’m sure anyone opining here can answer. And,if you don’t know the answers why are you voicing your opinions as facts?

      1.What are earmarks specifically?

      2.Are they simply additions to a Budget Bill?

      3.Are earmarks specifically $$ projects for states?

      4,Can earmarks also be laws?

      5.Does the $$ cost of an earmark get added to or subtracted from the original Budget Appropriation?

      6.Can Amendments to the Constitution be earmarked?

      7.When did the practice of earmarking start? What year? Why?

      8.Can the President add earmarks?

      I welcome simple and clear answers to these questions so I may better understand what you people are discussing here. Thank you.

      RON PAUL 2012

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      1. Camille

        Everyone thinks that earmarking funds and adding pork spending to a bill are the same thing and they are not. If a bill is put before congress to spend 10 billion on bridges, it is not because there is a list of 10 billion worth of bridges to be built. It is a lump of money that is being appropriated this way.

        You can submit an application to your representative for funds to be earmarked for a specific project. And he or she will evaluate it and if they deem it well spent funds then they can submit it to bills that would cover such projects. Whether or not they vote that it should be spent.

        He votes against taxing his constituents so why in the world would he not request that some of that money that will be spent regardless, be given back to his constituents when the bill passes and they get taxed. It’s not like the taxpayers get it back if it isn’t all spent. It just gets used at the discretion of the Executive Branch.

        Pork is passing a bill for and including a bunch of questionable crap to ride on the Defense bills back.
        Save America 10 billion Defense Act of 2010:
        -Military Salaries-4 million
        -Tanks -2 million
        -Military Band- 1 million
        -Redecorate the White House-2million
        -Increase the travel budgets for Senators-1 million

        It is not the earmark that is an issue, it is where the earmark goes. Some members of congress submit earmarks for Corporations that just happen to be the corporation that donated the largest amount of money to that Congress members campaign. Which is why transparency is important.

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  44. Dfens

    It’s just like the Republicrats to start all this chest beating about less than 1% of the budget. They don’t want solutions. They’re all advocates for the status quo. It’s amazing to me how they never say anything about the 56% of the federal budget that’s unconstituionally going to wealth redistribution and entitlement programs. They don’t bat an eye when the little F-22 stealth fighter jet takes twice as long (it took 25 years just to design it) and costs twice as much to develop as the huge B-2 stealth bomber, but we need to do something about those earmarks!

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  45. Alberto

    I think sen.Ron Paul is one of the few politician in the US, and may be in the world (I am not American) that says things very close to the truth/reality; he is always been consistent with what he thinks, always respectuful of the Constitution. He is one of the few politicians that has enough courage to tell us how things really are, especially about economic issues.

    thanks Sen. Paul

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  46. Dfens

    Or the other Constitutional way of raising taxes which was tariffs!

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  47. Ann Raabe

    What ever happened to our original Constitutional way of raising money through direct taxes? I believe that the way they used to do this was through the states. For instance, Congress comes up with a budget, then it is voted on, and each state is billed for the expense by enumeration. If the state you live in got a bill for the money Congress is spending, believe me, they are going to check and see that the money is coming back to their own state by enumeration (population). For instance, the tax on fishing equipment and boat fuel under the Magnusen Stevens Act,that money is collected at the federal level and then redistributed to each state according to it’s totla collection with government expenses being subtracted. In the old days, the tax was passed, the state kept it’s expenses and paid over the rest to the Fed. I don’t know what they do now, but does anyone know when this changed?

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  48. Dfens

    I have a tale of two airplane programs for you. Both programs were run at the same plant by many of the same people. Both programs made the same kind of modifications to cargo aircraft used by the US Air Force. The first one, the C-130J program, was funded by the contractor themselves. The development cost for new avionics, engines, and other misc. upgrades was $1 billion. The next program was a similar upgrade to the C-5M. This time the Air Force was picking up the tab. The development cost doubled to $2 Billion for the same work by the same people. Now this is development cost I’m talking about, so the fact that the C-5 is a bigger airplane is irrelevant because we are talking about the engineering effort in development, taking the greater materials and processing cost of the bigger airplane out of the equation.

    Twice as much for the same work, the only independent variable being who’s paying. If it’s the company paying for the work it costs half as much, and takes half as long as well. Ok, gee, this is a hard decision to make. Which way should we go in the future? Hmm, I’m not sure. Oh, I know, instead of fixing what’s wrong, let’s stop publishing development cost numbers so no one can see how those are skyrocketing. Let’s keep this all hushed up so no one will see how inflated development costs really are. That way we can continue to suck the taxpayer dry while government contractors make record profits providing services and supplies that are far over budget and over schedule, and of consistenly poor quality. Apparently this is a solution the US taxpayer can live with because this is the one you got.

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  49. Dfens

    The bulk of government waste is not in the Fed, although clearly the Fed is wasteful, but most of government waste is in contracts. There is no accountability in government contracting because the government pays for process and not for results. If you needed to have your house remodeled would you reimburse his expenses and pay the contractor a profit on every day he spent working on your house? No, of course you wouldn’t! You’re not stupid, right? You can see the problem with doing that. Those terms would guarantee that the contractor would try to drag out the work as long as possible to maximize his profit. The more days he spends, the more profit he makes.

    If that doesn’t make sense for you to do, why does it make sense for the federal government to do that very thing? Why do we put up with the government paying companies a profit on every day they spend developing a new weapon? Is it because we like to pay many times more than we need to for everything? If you pay a profit for process, you get lots of process. If you pay for results, you get results. We need to change the way the federal government does business. They need to stop paying more to contractors who through learned incompetence drag projects out years longer than they should, and start paying more to contractors that get their projects done on time and on budget and provide a good product. That’s not so hard to figure out, is it?

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  50. Ben Duffy

    This explanation falls flat on its face. Ron Paul is a complete fraud and the pork king of the Republican party. He is not a fiscal conservative and he should stop claiming to be one. I’ve heard him try to explain this away three times, and it gets less convincing each time.

    If you still think Ron Paul is the last honest man in Washington, you are sadly mistaken.

    The Ron Paul philosophy: no one should be sucking at the teet of government, but if it has to be so, Ron Paul will fight to be the first with his mouth on the fat sow’s teet.

    The only thing transparent here is Ron Paul’s scam. “But I voted against my own earmarks!” is not an excuse. He must take us for fools.

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    1. Dfens

      Read the Constitution instead of the Republican talking points for a change.

      “No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law”

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    2. Ben

      The whole premise is to get the monies that I sent to Washington back to MY home district. I would much rather have my Congressman submit ALL requests for Federal funding (i.e., EARMARK) made by my fellow citizens of TX’s 3rd District than to refuse to send them onto Washington for consideration by the respective appropriations committee.

      If there is $100M being appropriatd for an Agency’s budget, I want to make sure, I–by way of my Congressman–have every opportunity to have those tax dollars come back to me; that is done through an Earmark. There’s nothing wasteful about that.

      What is wasteful is to leave the $100M UNearmarked and rely on the benevolence of the Administration! Should I cross my fingers that somehow hope the money will be used to help me, ala TARP? If you think that, you are fooling yourself.

      The funds will either be used by an Agency to run their programs, we already know Government Agencies are NOT efficient at doing that. Or they will be snapped up by another district for improvements elsewhere. I just received and email from Senator Barbra Boxer bragging about $1.17M in Federal funding that she secured for use the in East Bay communities of California. I wonder how much of that is actually Texas dollars.

      Moreover, you or your Congressman do not get to vote against SPECIFIC earmarks, rather only against versions of a budget that includes the earmarks. So YES you want to submit EARMARKS until they come out your ears–if your Congressman is doing a good job they will–and at the same time vote against them by voting against the ever growing budgets.

      Again

      1. YES you do want EARMARKS to be passed on to Washington. They are a means for you to direct spending back to your home district–via your Congressman. After all, these are your tax dollars and by having them as part of a budget you know UPFRONT where the money will be spent. Otherwise you are betting that President and his appointed agency heads will know how to spend it wisely. You can then read about how they blew the money on the GAO EOY reports when it is too late.

      2. If you want to save then VOTE against the Agencies budgets, not earmarks.

      3. Perhaps if you have a beef about specific earmarks then get mad at the legislators in the respective Appropriations Committees. They’re the ones who decide whose earmark gets funded, such as the infamous “Bridge to nowhere”.

      BTW the quote you selected only supports Ron Paul’s position since it is Congress the “Law” Making Branch that he argues should be making budget decisions.

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