Ron Paul: Income Tax = Involuntary Servitude





In his latest column, Ron Paul talks about Tax Freedom Day, a hypothetical holiday which is “celebrated” today, April 13, and symbolizes the fact that Americans are slaving away 3.5 months, or 28.2% of this year to fulfill the government’s voracious appetite for confiscatory taxes, corrupt bailouts and wasteful stimulus efforts. Ron Paul wants to abolish the income tax and replace it with nothing, and until that dream becomes a political reality, he fights for every tax cut and tax credit possible.

Fewer Taxes for Real Economic Stimulus

by Ron Paul

Taxes are the issue this week as Americans struggle to make the April 15th deadline to file their returns. It is a good time to contemplate the effects of big government and what it does to our country. The income tax is one of the most egregious encroachments on our liberties today. It is a form of involuntary servitude, which was supposed to have been outlawed by the 13th Amendment.

Tax Freedom Day is defined as the day when the nation as a whole has theoretically earned enough income to fund its annual federal tax burden. For all of the days of the year before this day, you are a slave to government. For 2009, Tax Freedom Day will come on April 13th. Almost a century ago in 1910, before the mistakes of 1913-namely the inception of the Federal Reserve and our current income tax, Tax Freedom Day was January 19th, signifying a mere 5% tax burden. Somehow, our country functioned just fine.

If calculated to include government spending and the deficit, rather than just collections, Tax Freedom Day would actually fall on May 29. The annual deficit adds to the growing debt of future generations and adds insult to injury to those that struggle to make this economy work. It is a slap in the face that this is not enough to prevent this crushing governmental burden from falling on the next generation.

For months now, Washington has been desperately throwing taxpayers’ money at various programs to stimulate us out of the recession, to no avail. Seeing hard-earned money confiscated from the people and spent in such wasteful ways, such as the recent bailouts, is almost too much to bear. Getting rid of the income tax altogether, while very beneficial, may be a while in coming. In the meantime, I am fighting for every tax cut or tax credit possible.

I can think of no better economic stimulus than letting people keep their money and spend it how they see fit. For this reason, I am an original cosponsor on a bill that would give Americans a two month employment and income tax holiday, while taking unused TARP money back from the Secretary of the Treasury and putting it in the Social Security trust fund instead.

In addition, I have recently introduced the Child Health Care Affordability Act. If passed this legislation would provide parents with a tax credit of up to $500 for health care expenses of dependent children. I have also re-introduced the Tax Free Tips Act, which would make tips exempt from federal income and payroll taxes. I am also an original cosponsor of a bill that would make permanent the deduction of state and local sales taxes. My bill HR 162 exempts Social Security benefits from income tax.

These are just a few of the many tax related bills I am fighting for in Congress, but without a corresponding cut in the size of government, which I am also fighting for, we are simply adding to the future tax burden of our children.

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  1. I did write my governer and congressman and that one guy we call the president. I agree whole hearted with everything you just said. I do unfortunatly, believe that it will take more than any politician to get this job done. Anyone who didn't go to the tea party protests should, and next time we all need to go to Pennsylvania Ave. Every last one of us, 300 million + people storming the District of Criminals with peaceful protests.

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  2. I've come to believe the only way to successfully confront this and many other abuses of power by the Federal Gov't is through the various states assertion of their power through the 10th Amendment. Many states have passed resolutions affirming this amendment but none has yet made an effort to enforce this Constitutional provision to my knowledge.

    The governors of these states should meet and agree on actions to enforce these resolutions and put the Fed on notice.

    Citizens are too far removed from the Federal Government to feel empowered. We, deep down inside, know we cannot make a difference and we become cynical and that cynicism is the very foundation of the problem. The Federal Government has no fear of its citizens and this security enables the creeping fascism we have come to take for granted.

    Fortunately, this administration is too impatient to allow fascism to continue it's creep; they want it fully now as evidenced by the recent document issued by DHS. This is one example of the overreach which should lead to their downfall. Such attitudes toward to US citizens are absolutely intolerable. I am truly frightened - are you?

    Dr. Paul mentions that the Federal Income Tax is an encroachment on the 13th Amendment. Isn't also an encroachment on the 5th Amendment? Read the Bill of Rights and see how many of our rights have not been encroached upon. Scary isn't it?

    Our best and possibly only hope is to pressure our respective governors to begin putting serous pressure on the Federal Government. The Fed is well beyond having to bend to the will of its citizens but perhaps enough of our state governments will.

    Getting back to Constitutional fundamentals is our only hope.

    Write your governor today - please.

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    • Steve, I believe you are right. The feds have no fear of the individual. I think the corrupt rather keep us divided don't you?. I like your idea of the governors, there are a lot of good ones, but how many would gather for something so anti-fed, and watch out if any of them have bumper stickers on their cars. I mean some may be working for the same entity as the corrupts. Making them corrupts too. No I think the pressure comes from the people, a united people. This is the dilemma we face. Can we put all are trivial differences a side and unite in defense of our liberties? I mean look the Dems and Reps united, well it look's that way don't it? WE THE PEOPLE must unite if we are to gain the freedoms we ounce had and guard them for our children so that they can guard for their's.

      And you know its working, we are uniting. We our uniting under the constitution. And the corrupts know it, as you said they are speeding up their agenda also. Imo

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      • Michael, you are right in the sense that we must unite. We need to stop looking at ourselves as different parties. I am a conservative (Ron Paul conservative) who has Libertarian leanings and I also believe very strongly in the United States Constitution. So do the Constitutionalists. That gives me the belief that these three political parties can find common ground and put their differences aside in order to work towards a common cause. That common cause being to take back our country and put the United states constitution back in charge of our government. After all, the Constitution is the law of this land, Not congress. They were hired to uphold, protect and follow the constitution.

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        • Ray, I am also a conservative (Ron Paul conservative) who has Libertarian leanings and I also believe very strongly in the United States Constitution. What a small nation =)Glad to know you Ray.

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          • Glad to know you too Michael. Small world indeed. Looks to me like this conservative stuff might take hold and start spreading. :)

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          • Yep! Bank on that ray! Good call man, we all know a message board post is concrete! Looks to me you are right!

            Amazing... No really...

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          • Yes Matt, it is amazing....No really. It is amazing...Really......Yes really. Amazing. Really...........Did I also mention amazing? Really.......yes really......yes...yes ...yes.... :) Good call Matt.........Really

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  3. yeah well we all got problems big boys! GROW UP FAST and play while you can

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  4. You guys should check out the book called "The Red Amendment."
    It is about how ever since the 14th Amendment we became slaves from taxes.

    http://www.redamendment.net/home.php

    Also get yourself un-plugged:

    http://www.deprogram.us/deprogram.php

    The Truth will set you free.

    If you like Alex Jones and Aaron Russo you will like these websites.

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  5. WOW! Lot's different things going on in the comment section. I liked the article though.

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  6. One other thing that needs to be addressed. Where in the united states of America do we have one single business that is actually a free market enterprise? Every business in America is regulated to different degrees and taxed to different degrees, depending on which political party is in control of government at the time, so where is this so called free market system? I have an idea that it sits right along side of the mystical fountain of youth.

    Also, when government taxes small business owners and uses the tax receipts to subsidize huge corporations, is this free market? Am I missing something here? Ron Paul republicans? Libertarians? Constitutionalists? PULL TOGETHER and WORK TOGETHER to stop these socialists from branding us with THEIR form of (wink, wink) FREE MARKET.

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  7. Also Matt, the Bush family, as well as most of our politicians throughout our government have huge oil stock holdings throughout the middle east. Those same politicians (Im trying not to say the word corrupt) control foreign policy which has a way of (controlling) the (free) market system. How do we get a free market when we put the words (control) from politicians and (free) which means (uncontrolled) (not bound) (unhindered) in the same sentence.

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    • A tripling in price, then an 80% decrease... In a very short timeframe... Is that (controlled)(bound)(hindered)?

      What part did global free markets play in that? Nothing? Really?

      Why are things always a conspiracy or someone else's fault?

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      • Matt perhaps you miss my comment, here again, read this report to find out more about this problem; it is a report to Congress, so no conspiracy theory.

        hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/052008Masters.pdf

        On the other hand one needs to understand that a crash has enormous potentials for huge earnings. 1000$ and the insider information from the FED and in 10 years time I'll come back with a billion.

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        • Thank you very much Eoers. And to your point, a spike also potentially has disastrous long-term ramifications for producers should it hasten development of alternative resources (in this case).

          Fantastic link and exactly what I am alluding to!

          I actually caught some of this testimony last year. This headline says it all:

          "Index Speculator Demand Is Driving Prices Higher"

          "You have asked the question “Are Institutional Investors contributing to food and energy price inflation?” And my unequivocal answer is “YES.” In this testimony I will explain that Institutional Investors are one of, if not the primary, factors affecting commodities prices today. Clearly, there are many factors that contribute to price determination in the commodities markets; I am here to expose a fast-growing yet virtually unnoticed factor, and one that presents a problem that can be expediently corrected through legislative policy action."

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        • Sounds very 'free market' to me? Or should we not let people invest in what they want to invest?

          "If supply is adequate - as has been shown by others who have testified before this committee2 - and prices are still rising, then demand must be increasing. But how do you explain a continuing increase in demand when commodity prices have doubled or tripled in the last 5 years? What we are experiencing is a demand shock coming from a new category of participant in the commodities futures markets: Institutional Investors. Specifically, these are Corporate and Government Pension Funds, Sovereign Wealth Funds, University Endowments and other Institutional Investors. Collectively, these investors now account on average for a larger share of outstanding commodities futures contracts than any other market participant."

          And now, let me guess, it was institutional investors controlled by Bush, by politicians, and by OPEC... *sigh*

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          • Yes you are right. Free market means you have certain rules to obey as freedom is not equal to unleashed liberalism. There have to be certain rules for playing the game. And, Congress should be overseeing those rules as well! The problem starts when politicians make those rules for they pals and not for the common good.

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      • Well Matt, if after watching 8 years of federal as well as foreign laws being broken by the bush administration and being forced to sit and watch our United States constitution being treated like a scrap of paper (Bush juniors words) if you want to go on believing that there is absolutely no government interference in our so called free market economy then that is your choice. The fact is that this government (Republicans and democrats) alike are corrupt. They manipulate what they don't outright control and they abuse the power given to them under the constitution of these united states. That is not conspiracy theory, that is fact. Our free market will never be free until we put our government in it's constitutional place.

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        • "The fact is that this government (Republicans and democrats) alike are corrupt. They manipulate what they don’t outright control and they abuse the power given to them under the constitution of these united states. That is not conspiracy theory, that is fact."

          Wow, let me summarize:

          - Everyone is corrupt
          - Everything is manipulated or controlled
          - There is no such thing as a free market in the US
          - And those are the facts, your opinion be damned

          Alright! I can see I should even try to have a conversation!

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          • Seems democracy wins, your the only one on your side. See that our system does work.

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          • Yes Matt, our government is corrupt. That is why our politicians receive huge payoffs, and bribes from corporate America, including the oil companies and they prefer to use the word donations when referring to those bribes. It's time to call it like it is. People go to prison everyday for extorting money from people, yet our politicians steal more and more everyday with new taxes that are hidden inside of bills that get voted on and passed by our politicians, both republican and democrat. Yes, our government is not following the United states constitution and yes they are corrupt. Yes, the government manipulates the free market economy which makes it free in name only. So yes Matt, my opinion be damned but it's also correct. Your politicians are corrupt. Our free market is not free. It is manipulated by politicians. The bank bailouts is a perfect example of free market manipulation. How many times has our government bailed out the failing airlines after government regulation put those very airlines into bankruptcy. How about amtrak. Guess how many billions they have cost the taxpayer with no return on our taxpayer dollars? Would you like to see a list of how many billions have been given to what should have been bankrupt corporations because of mismanagement? GM? CHRYSLER? FORD? You think we have a free market system Matt?

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          • Matt, You probably believe that we operate on a level playing field as well? Lets face it, after Obama gets through bailing out the huge banks and others who say that they don't need the money and don't like the government strings that are attached to those bailout loans, We will probably see the small businesses who were devistated by our slumping economy be given a chance to rebuild their businesses with no strings attached too, right Matt?
            No Matt, the level playing field will never extend itself to include the small business man. Nor should it. Nobody should be receiving taxpayer dollars to keep their businesses afloat. That money should never have been taken away from the taxpayer to be given to others in the first place. Butts let be fair about my comments. Bush and the republican party did the very same thing just before bush left office. So by the time bush and Obama get finished with our great grand childrens futures, they may need to consider migrating to Mexico in order to get out from under the debt that the government is dumping in their laps.

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          • Yep, you know exactly how it is going to go down...

            "We probably will see widespread civil disorder in the 1980's as a direct result of our faltering economic system. The dollar has been damaged by decades of interventionism..." Ron Paul, 1981, Gold Peace and Prosperity

            Wow, good call on the 1980's Ron Paul... What do you say now? Same thing. And you know what? After this great country fights it's way through this slump, I bet 10 years later in the natural progression and there is a natural economic cleansing it'll be "NONONO, THIS is actually the decade i was talking about!".

            No, it's not a level playing field, but even in a small-government, gold based economy will it be COMPLETELY fair? No. This is capitalism, not friggin utopia.

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          • Well Matt, maybe there is hope for you yet. You finally acknowledged that we dont live under a fair playing field by having government intervention in the market system. Would you like to go one step further and admit that our government is corrupt, too big, out of control, unconstitutional and is capitalism worst enemy? Utopia has nothing to do with anything being talked about here. You have consistently implied that government does not control the market system and therefore we must have a free market system here in the united states. I, on the other hand have consistently said that you are wrong. Government does manipulate the market system by giving subsidies to huge corporations, by bailing out unprofitable, mismanaged and corrupt corporations and as a result of government interference, we do not have a free market economy here in the united states of America. Government has in the last three decades or so bailed out Chrysler, general motors, ford, dozens of banks, airlines and has given billions in subsidies to rich oil companies as well as thousands of huge corporations. That certainly is government interference into a free market system. Government has passed many laws stopping oil drilling, both offshore and onshore. Government has regulated refineries to the point that approximately 200 have been shut down nationwide since the 1970's. Need I go on Matt? Hell no it's not a fair playing field, nor do we have a free market economy.

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          • "Hell no it’s not a fair playing field, nor do we have a free market economy."

            You are saying the government manipulates the entire free market sytem such that THERE IS NO FREE MARKET AT ALL? Right now. NO FREE MARKET INFLUENCE IN THE UNITED STATES?

            Really? Wow. Please tell me how there is NO free market IN THE UNITED STATES.

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          • And omg, that "widespread civil disorder in the 1980’s as a direct result of our faltering economic system. The dollar has been damaged by decades of interventionism…"

            Last I saw, in the FREE MARKET CURRENCY system, the dollar is doing pretty good? Or are global currencies manipulating that too?

            Please tell me how that was NOW 30 years plus off base and counting... Regards.

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          • I bet the people of texas TOTALLY wants to give up their PONZI SCHEME that SOCIAL SECURITY when texas secedes and moves to the gold standard. Do it man, just do it, you totally can!!! Power to the people!!!!

            I assume Texas has a fat surplus of cash as texas is a direct recipient of OPEC PRICE CONTROLLING (OMG OPEC did give it to you through the NOT FREE MARKET SYSTEM that is controlled by the rest :O as i have learned off these boards), or you just cut off the old people now?

            Please tell me texas is not a proponent of oil money? If the BUSHES are in cahoots with OPEC how is TEXAS OIL MONEY never mentioned?

            Maybe TX should just align with OPEC like it has apparently done already? Like I have heard these message boards say already.

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          • Matt. The more you babble the less educated you sound. Now listen closely because I am getting tired of listening to you cry like a little girl each time someone shows you that you are mistaken in your belief of a free market system. A free market system that is manipulated by the united states government through bailouts of failed corporations to giving subsidies that favor one set of companies over all others is certainly not representative of a free market system. Our elected officials and their families have stock in many middle eastern oil companies and they are also in a position to make, change or manipulate foreign ,as well as domestic policy which in turn has a direct control of the so called free market system. Now if you do not understand the concept of a true free market system that is not manipulated by members of our government then that is your problem. Now as far as the state of texas aligning with opec and all the other bull$hit that you keep spewing out of your mouth, you will have to come to your own conclusions by answering your own stupid questions.

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          • Wait, if OIL prices are manipulated by the government, OPEC, and environmentalists (which you have told me over and over).. I mean there is no free market right?

            Isn't texas the largest state that is a beneficiary of that evil oil empire?!? Of course you would want to secede because you are direct beneficiaries of the BUSH/OPEC price manipulation (which I was blindly educated about thank you).

            ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY TAX DOLLARS FLEW INTO TEXAS AND WONT GET RETURNED?? Phat stadium Jerry Jones has...

            If I was texas I would take the OPEC-conspirator-money and run too!!! Thanks for being predictable :)

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          • You should TOTALLY institute policy to boot out ALL huge GOVERNMENT AND OPEC controlled oil companies from texas NOW. TOO BIG TO FAIL COMPANIES THAT ARE BASED OR HAVE A HEADQUARTERS IN TEXAS.

            TX wanna take the lead on that? Nah, didn't think so, too busy pointing fingers not much leadership on REAL sacrifice, lol.

            The PEOPLE need to take control before they secede!!

            Wait, as an energy-producing state associated with the bushes, co-horted with the environmentalists, and run by OPEC. HOLY CRAP. SECEDE and the rest of the US would love to take you over, after mexico, or hell, cuba, does. When we are on you own.

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          • Holy $hit Matt. I turn my back for one minute and you start babbling out of your a$$ once again. Where did you come up with this Texas succeed from the union crap?(Not that its such a bad idea) I just didn't think you were bright enough to come up with it on your own. Keep going Matt. You just might say something intelligent yet. Bye the way, Texas would make a nice country, wouldn't it?

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  8. Matt, a free market is a market that is not influenced by corrupt politicians and subsidies. A free market is a market that does not stifle or stop the introduction of other tecnologies from being introduced into the main stream. They would also allow the oil to be pumped from American wells and be put on the open market which would drive the price of crude oil down instead of up. In the states of Wyoming, Utah and Colorado we have enough shale oil to last the united states and our allies 500 years. It is 8 times the oil supply of the entire middle east. No Matt, until The government stops interfering in the free markets right to drill for off shore oil and allow the removal of shale oil to be placed on the open market and stop regulating oil refineries into extinction, we do not actually have a free market system here in the United States or anywhere else.

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    • Why do we need crude oil when we can use a cleaner substance called ethenol made from hemp seed oil, an annually renewable source. A source that does not scar the landscape of one of the most beautiful landscapes in all of our states. The oil companies and petro-chemical stop free market by pushing for the criminalization of industrial hemp which has no psycho-active THC in it, but can be used for everything else we can sit here and think of. It can replace wood, plastic, styrofoam, crude oil, etc.

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      • WALT, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. If hemp were legalized we would have hemp based paints that stay on your house for 50 years without fading or coming loose. We would have clothing that is virtually indestructible. The companies who bribe our politicians with campaign donations pushed laws decades ago to keep commercial hemp off the market because it is too strong and durable of a material.

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        • I like you Ray seems like we could sit down to a good conversation.

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          • Thank you Walt, I believe that we could have many good conversations.. Many people are beginning to see how our government has become far removed from what our forefathers envisioned as a free country. We need to work together and realize that we are the true Americans. We own this country. Our government are servants of the people and when they get so out of control that they no longer serve the American public, then you and I have got to work together with other freedom loving Americans to take back control of our country from those who abuse the power that we give them to try to enslave us.

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        • We seem to be waking up quickly even my mom is starting to get pissed about it; she is not even all that political.

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    • Oh I see now, the government conspiring with environmentalists too to keep us from drilling domestically.

      Oh wait, or as I learn later in this string, it is the Bush family, conspiring with OPEC, and using environmentalists to their end.

      So again, why, if they can control the price of oil (and the free market apparently has NOTHING to do with it) why did it triple and then crash by 80% in the span of like a year? That's pretty inefficient 'controlling' of a price. Why not just keep it high?

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      • The same reason the stock market will rise for a short time just long enough to build our faith in it and put our hard earned money back into it before it crashes and takes everyones retirement plan with it the same as what happened in'29. Think about it momentarily and get back to me. And you shouldn't use the word like in that fashion you sound like my 13 year old.

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        • If not free markets, what is 'that' reason that made, as you assert is a conspiratorially controlled commodity price such as oil, triple in price then crash?

          No need to compare me to a child. Thank you in advance.

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          • You need to read the book "The Oil Card" to see how the U.S. used oil prices to destroy the USSR. We have been waging economic warfare with Russia and China for decades mainly using oil prices as well and metals. That is why China has started to fight back driving up the price of copper, steel, and other materials. And Russia with the aid of OPEC drove the prices of oil up drastically in a short period by stopping drilling. Now that we are in a rut they have eased up on us. I believe the crash we created in Russia has now been thrust upon us and the crash is coming. I apologize for the child reference, my point was that to debate intellectually you have to sound that way.

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      • Well matt that is your problem, you just don't get it do you?
        The price of oil dropped or crashed because the economy crashed as a result of several factors, one of which was a direct result of the oil industry pushing the price of crude oil and its products too levels far beyond what most seniors on fixed incomes as well as working families could even begin to afford. Then we had the problem with the banks breaking it off in the a$$es of homeowners. Then we have the government creating laws with our tax dollars to keep inventors from putting things on the market that would put the oil companies out of business if they didn't compete in a fair free market economy. Now what else don't you get? Our politicians accept bribes from huge corporations everyday that stagnates the free market. They call those bribes campaign donations.

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        • Hmmm, sounds a lot like a push/pull of supply and demand... Nah.

          Well! I guess it's good to know the oil companies and their co-conspirators have enough money for now and are ok with taking less money going forwards by fixing the price of crude at a lower rate than they did last year!

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          • And the speculative bubble of Tulipmania (which I would recommend that you read about) was not some international political conspiracy or federal reserve-based heinous plot.

            Not everything bad that happens can be explained to NOT the free market system, while not everything good IS the free market system.

            People just tend to overreach and just like these comments about the spike in oil, not once was the free market or speculation cited as a contributing factor.

            And for that, on these boards, I always find very interesting.

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          • Growing global high demand for oil causes OPEC increase the dollar number for barrels of oil and growing demand also helps to increase it. --> Global recession and artificially high prices cause the oil bubble to bust. This would be a free market system if prices were determined in the marketplace and not by a monopoly. However, it isn't.

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          • Again Matt, referencing the oil card it has nothing to do with supply and demand it has only to do with SUPPLY. The demand will always be there, but when you control the supply it is a whole new ball game. You can control prices as you see fit, and with no alternative to make our cars run and warm our houses, it is called an ogopoly. Please read the book.

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          • Right, it was SUPPLY that made oil prices plunge 80%. Gotcha! Ok, that cleared that up! Thank you!

            Thank goodness for that 'benevolent oligopoly' that adjusted prices way downward! A nice group of people that felt sorry for us and controlled prices down.

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          • Using the word supply doesnt imply free market supply and demand. When supply is controlled by a gov't and prices are not set in the market place, you have exactly the opposite. I'm sorry that you lack a fundamental understanding of the issue.

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          • Wow mike, with your knowledge of how the free markets are currently being distorted you should be able to make an absolute killing in the commodities arbitrage arena!

            Good luck man, I hope you use this knowledge in a capitalistic fashion to the best of your abilities!

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      • have you see this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uNWug7cvtc

        ANGELS and DEMONS (FULL) The Knights Templer NEW WORLD ORDER Revealed (1 of 9) on utube. So worth watching!

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  9. It would make a lot of sense to see the Libertarians, The Constitutionalists and anyone else who believes in freedom join forces with Ron Paul and work together to convince every Republican who holds office, to re-instate the conservative values that they profess to believe. Together (notice the word together) We true conservatives who believe in a constitutional government with Libertarian learnings can teach the masses all about this piece of paper (a quote from bush 43) called the united states constitution. We can also make it very uncomfortable for Liberals in Conservatives clothing to continue assaulting our constitution, which by the way, is the law that our government refuses to follow and uphold. Only by pulling together as one united party for freedom will we ever defeat the stranglehold that the huge liberal party and the uneducated republican party have on this country. Ron Paul wont be around forever so its time to stop wasting time and unite together those parties who believe in the concept of freedom and small, constitutional government. The Libertarians, the Constitionalists and the Ron Paul Conservatives.

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  10. While the recession was setting in I had a successful trucking company that I was forced to close on account of the diesel prices reaching $5.39 per gallon in washington state, as well as the politicians taxing trucking companies into extinction. Washington state being home to the big tax and spend democrats, as well as the two faced republicans. I finally had enough of it and moved to florida and am starting a new business. It would be a huge help if the governments, both federal, state, county and local were to dramatically reduce the taxes and regulations on small businesses so that people who are trying to get back on their feet can use their money and time to build their businesses and help get this economy going again. It is counter productive to take my money in the form of a tax and use it to subsidize the same oil companies that drove my trucking company out of business.But then we need to keep in mind that it was the people who voted into office a big tax and spend Obama.

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    • Wasn't it the free markets that pushed oil up to $5.39 a gallon? As we found out, oil companies are no better at 'setting' oil prices than they are at predicting them... The free market does that.

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      • The oil industry is actually the prime example of gov't intervention in the market place. If you think that OPEC is a representation of the free market, a place where the price of oil is artificially set due to a gov't monopoly, then you are sadly mistaken.

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        • Are you saying OPEC artifically set the price of oil at $150 a barrel last year? Yes or no.

          Then, after doing that said "ok mission accomplished, now that we have the price artificially high, lets make it crash by 80%"?

          Or am I sadly mistaken?

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          • The price went back down because of free market principles. Prices that are too high cause low demand. When people cant afford gas they don't buy it. OPEC controls the price of oil, they meet and agree not to sell it for any less than a certain dollar number because they monopolize the industry, that is a fact. Meanwhile U.S. companies keep about 40% of their profits after all the taxes that go to the U.S. gov't as well as fees around the world to drill to other gov't's. It would be a completely foolish statement to assert that the oil market is driven more by gov't owned monopolies and companies in bed with the gov't than the free market.

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          • *It would be a completely foolish statement to assert that the oil market isn't driven more by gov’t owned monopolies and companies in bed with the gov’t than the free market.

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          • Oil price went up because of unlawful speculations and reluctant jurisdiction. Read the following report to congress to learn more about it, it is quite interesting! OPEC is a cartel which itself is a contradiction to free market theory.

            hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/052008Masters.pdf

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    • concerned.citizen

      I'm sorry that you had to experience that, but I'm glad you found a reprieve. Florida is sounding more and more appealing.

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      • Concerned citizen. Thank you and yes , Florida is a great state to start a business. It's a state that you can work all year in and unlike Washington state, the winters are very enjoyable.

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    • Ray have you see this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uNWug7cvtc

      ANGELS and DEMONS (FULL) The Knights Templer NEW WORLD ORDER Revealed (1 of 9) on utube. So worth watching!

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  11. I totally support your attempts to control taxes, the Boston Tea Party was about tax upon tax which we have had forever. Why should a retired person pay tax on Social Security? Idon't get it.
    The worst travesty is the cost of a college education my son incurred thousands of dollars to get a BS and is working at a job that pays $11 an hour he made more working at a restaurant. Both my daughters have tremendous college debt that never goes down I have a $65000 debt (my kids) with SallieMae with over $400 a month payment the principalnever goes down-in the meantime internationals come here for free education and in many cases have college completely paid for by their own countries and here again come here for jobs.Isn'tthere something wrong with this picture?

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    • concerned.citizen

      It's misleading. It's enslaving. It's more than wrong--it's criminal.

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    • I have been complaining about that for a while. The best part is when a university gets 15 million dollars to play in a college bowl game on t.v., and it is about the same for the final four. 15 million dollars should cover a few more scholorships you know.

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  12. How do we protect our children form becoming tax slaves to a faulty system? It is our responsibility to protect them, but How?? All we see is more lies and pandering with a lot of posturing and circular talk that has no end or point!?
    Bla bla bla bla bla bla…....Bud Crawford

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  13. As I sit home, layed off from work but not able to collect unemployment, I get to read articles. As I finish my taxes today I now owe money that I do not even have. But they will accept payments, for a few dollars more. "Just do the right thing", I'm told.
    I was earning $800 per week before taxes with 2 kids, I still managed to save some money for a rainy day. Too bad the rainy day was last month.
    There is no we. I carry no guilt when I think of the next generation. All the religion in the world has yet to save us. It's time to believe in ourselves. The revolution starts from within. If you cannot save money on a modest income, then check your own greed. I conserve, because it saves me money.
    We need to learn to beat em at their own game. (we all know who They are!) The internet is loaded with information on financial planning, investments, and saving. Teach your kids, cause they won't learn it in school! Have worthwhile conversations about things that matter. Turn off the TV, turn off the radio, and turn your brain back on!

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    • Bravo chap! I like your style, and I am pretty much in the same boat you are my rainy day has lasted a while too. The last sentence in your comment should be gospel.

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  14. Who cares what the federal government does when we annihilate income tax. Our involuntary servitude must end! Look at the current irresponsible liberal politicians and their usurp president squandering away America's hard earned money. I say states like TX excercise their sovereignty and go to the extent of annihilating the federal governemt. The federal government has shown it does not create any value to the American people. Like a product, no value to customer, it goes defunct!

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  15. The above poster, southern hemper, is just trying to make ron paul supports look crazy, wouldn't be surprise if he is on the government's payroll.

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  16. There is no such thing as an illegal alien, you are either a citizen
    or a sovereign man. The social security application and number makes
    you a citizen, indigent, resident, slave, and property of the state.
    It makes the state your god which is blasphemy. The congress is as
    corrupt as the rest of the country because not one has ever told you
    the truth.

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    • This is not the place to express religious believes. The topic is income tax!!

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    • Blah Blah Blah, All religion are the same go preach somewhere else.

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    • concerned.citizen

      In my research, Southern Hemper, US Citizen = slave of the Corporation of the US, someone who has exchanged his/her rights as a sovereign citizen for the privileges afforded him/her by the Corporation, thereby reducing the individual's status from one of citizen (sovereign) to one of resident (inhabitant). State citizen = sovereign citizen (i.e.-Citizen of the Republic of [fill in state's name here]).

      Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm still learning. Much has been buried, and many lies accepted as truth. When one truth gets uncovered, many more truths begin to surface. We've been duped, and need to research the history for ourselves, then share with others. If enough people know the truth, get indignant, then individually and collectively act in support of it, things will change.

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      • Concerned Citizen is right we often take what we hear as truth and do very little research for ourself. There is a lot of B.S. in the field, but when we look hard we can find some clean blades of grass.

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  17. The United States is a idol and it demands worship of it's citizens. To no longer be a citizen fill out Form SS-521 and then have the social security number, application, terminated and rescinded and then use only gold and silver coins and only trade with gold and silver. Embrace the Ten Commandments as our only way of life and the Almighty will bless you. Never acknowledge the state are you will be committing idolatry. The United States is not scriptural but the workings of Satan. If you want to be free give your allegiance to the one and only true Eternal One YHWH. The Constitution is nothing more than the bylaws of a corporation and only benefits the bankers and they can change it any time they want to suit them. People you have been lied to and deceived in thinking that you are free. You are all chattel property of the United States and the Treasury.

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    • You have officially lost your mind. Good day sir.

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    • Why is that a money system that failed long before ours and kept just as many people in poverty is your way out of this mess. Maybe we should teach our kids to survive of the land, hunting, farming, fishing, and making things from wool and hemp. If we thought about it long and hard any kind of currency being used will keep a portion of the population in poverty, it always has. You materialistic whores who can't give up your cell phones, microwaves, fancy styling in cloths in which you are just paying for a name, don't want to consider that option you still want money and a form of poverty for more than half the population. Those who want to use gold must not realize they have almost all the gold too. Think about it how much gold do you or anyone you know have?????????????????????????? Start thinking with your hearts------ Slipknot said it best ALL HOPE IS GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • So what Southern Hemper is saying is that the United States was created by a man with horns and a tail who lives in the molten center of the earth. This 'devil' created the United States for people to worship as a god and to distract people from their worship of the devil's arch enemy, an invisible man in the sky. That's a very compelling theory, Southern Hemper, but I think this thread is about INCOME TAX.

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    • Then move!!!!

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  18. Income Tax does not go to the US at all it goes to the Treasury
    which is not even a part of the United States. The Treasury is a
    part of the United Nations and the Circle Crown Church which is
    known as the Crown Templars. The United States is in bankruptcy
    and owes money to the Crown and has put up everyone with a social
    security number up as surety for the United States debt. May God
    help everyone if the United States goes into default. The Social
    Security Card is basically a communist card. How many people are
    practicing communists? Do you have a Social Security Card? Public
    School, central bank, fiat currency, destroying the morals to make women become sluts, are just some examples of the 10 planks to the communist manifesto. The u.s.A used to keep the Ten Commandments now we have the United States Corporation that practices communism. People have turned their hearts from God and
    now practice communism. People worship the state and that is
    Statism, the only thing a man can do is abandon the social security number and repent and start practicing the Ten Commandments and divorce from the Daughters of the Mother of Harlots. Ron Paul you need to start telling the truth!

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    • HELLO ... SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE .....

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      • I admit religion is not a good thing, but practicing the Ten
        Commandments, and obeying the Almighty is not religion as long as you go strictly by the Holy Scriptures. Separation of Church and State was created to keep the Politicians from going back to keeping the Ten Commandments. People in the united states of America used to keep the Ten Commandments and the united states of America prospered like no other country. No since the united states of America incorporated and became the United States they stopped obeying the Ten Commandments and now we are a communist nation and you now have no freedom. Either serve the Eternal One and prosper or continue being a communist and stop complaining about everything. You people have made your choice now live with it.

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        • concerned.citizen

          Southern Hemper, I agree with you about religion, as it is commonly practiced, NOT being a good thing. Yet, in its true form, when revering God and His Word as supreme, it is very useful and practical, in addition to divine. Our forefathers felt the same way, as that understanding is the foundation upon which they wrote governing documentation (i.e.-our Constitution), laws and everyday practical applications (i.e.-Bibles being used in schools to teach reading, grammar, morals and principles). Many of these same founding fathers were threatened, persecuted, imprisoned, removed from their families and vice-versa, even killed for their efforts.

          I'll have to disagree with you, though, on your statement about the separation of church and state. Its author promoted Christianity in the public forum, even public schools. He wrote it with the intention of prohibiting government from using any one particular denomination's interpretation of scripture to rule, as he had come to America from an England where a specific church ruled according to their own doctrinal beliefs (I don't recall the name at the moment, nor the denomination). He promoted the Bible as the foundation for a prosperous society, yet abhorred the thought of, in essence, being forced to follow any one church's interpretation of it.

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    • concerned.citizen

      You're exactly right, Southern Hemper, and your candor is appreciated. Irwin Schiff, father of Peter Schiff, is rotting in jail in Terre Haute, IN for bringing these same facts to the forefront. That alone would have been forgiveable by our "mafioso" government, except he provided the necessary materials for everyday people to pay absolutely nothing in income tax and to receive every penny back taken from them under the same "authoritative" guise. True story. He, like Ron Paul, upholds the constitution and has been stripped of all his freedoms because of it. His website paynoincometax.com (sorry, don't know how to link it from this comment page) provides these materials for free now, and the details of our court system's involvement in perpetuating the fraud.

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    • If all a man has to do is observe the 10 commandments, why did Christ die on the Cross?
      And by the way, 'seperation of church and state' says the gov't can't use force or manipulation or favor because of one religion or another. It doesn't say or mean that there can be no discussion relating to religion. YOu have bought a lie if you believe that. But I don't want you to listen to me just like I don't want you to listen to the lier that told you that in the first place. YOU need to read the document yourSELF and YOU will come away with a totally different flavor than the one that has been spoon fed to you. C'mon...PROVE me wrong! READ it! I DARE you! :)

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  19. Since these message board are oft used for thought-provoking notion unrelated to the original post, this was a good article:

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/04/14/christian_nation/index.html

    "The United States have adventured upon a great and noble experiment, which is believed to have been hazarded in the absence of all previous precedent -- that of total separation of Church and State. No religious establishment by law exists among us. The conscience is left free from all restraint and each is permitted to worship his Maker after his own judgment. The offices of the Government are open alike to all. No tithes are levied to support an established Hierarchy, nor is the fallible judgment of man set up as the sure and infallible creed of faith. The Mohammedan, if he will to come among us would have the privilege guaranteed to him by the constitution to worship according to the Koran; and the East Indian might erect a shrine to Brahma, if it so pleased him. Such is the spirit of toleration inculcated by our political Institutions."

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  20. I would like to know Ron,that if you abolish income tax and have no other taxes to fill the void ,how does Govt finance it's existance?

    We in Aust brought in a consumption tax a few years ago that was to replace other taxes.It never happened.We have bloated unproductive bureaucracies sapping the lifeblood from private enterprise.Don't ever get consumption tax since it kills small business.Small business due to competition during hard times absorbs most of the tax.You can suffer a loss and still end up paying tax.

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    • Income tax goes entirely to paying interest (and interest on the interest) on money borrowed by the government! Refinance the debt, end the Fed, and there is no need for paying this unconstitutional burden anymore. Besides, as you can see the current system does not work at all. Year by year higher taxation still the debt is rising to astronomical values. This is how much we love our children. Let them be the slaves and pay back the money for our stupidity, greed,
      and egoism.

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      • I love hearing intelligent people speak. Ross you should listen to Eoers.

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        • Walt ,never take any revolutionary idea at face value.There is too much Hollywood hero worship and not enough people asking the difficult questions.This is how we got into this debacle in the first place.The key to workable systems is accountability.The Fed is not accountable and nor it seems is Congress.

          If Ron Paul or anyone else has a workable alternative to income tax,then he must also reveal the detail.The devil is always in the detail,otherwise we just go to one level of chaos to another.That is in no ones' interest.

          I'm not bagging Ron Paul.I think that he is a genuine person with the best of intensions for the US public,however people must learn to ask the difficult questions of their pollies no matter who they are.

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          • Very true; real questions are seldom asked. Taking what we hear for truth while failing to investigate for ourselves has become the protocol. Thank you for the reply.

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    • The gov't finances it's existence by cutting down on its outrageous and inefficient spending. The gov't doesn't need half the money it is throwing away (and they would probably just have the Federal Reserve create the money out of thin air if they didn't get it from us) and if we got rid of the income tax, we would have about the same revenue as we did around the year 2000. There is no need for the income tax if the gov't controls it's insatiable appetite for debt and inefficiency.

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      • This is an update, from the House majority leader. They have no intention of getting rid of Federal Reserve. It stats cut our deficit by 2/3 not getting rid of it. How can they just keep on with this fake revenue service and not stop it. Will the people ever stand together and stop the extortion?

        WASHINGTON, DC - House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (MD) released the following statement today in response to President Obama's address on the economy:

        “This morning, President Obama explained the recklessness that led us into this recession, as well as the essential steps it will take to get us out. Many of those steps—such as the Recovery Act, the tax cut for 95% of Americans, and the Administration’s plans to restore the flow of small business and mortgage lending—have already begun to take effect, creating jobs across America. None of the steps toward economic recovery can be judged in isolation, and even working together, they will not prevent 2009 from being a difficult year for our economy. But Democrats’ recovery efforts are cushioning the blow of this recession and preparing us for a return to prosperity.

        “President Obama also spoke about the long-term foundation we can build, so that our recovery is long-lasting and widely shared. It will include a sensible set of financial regulations to prevent a recurrence of the kind of collapse we have just experienced, as well as intelligent investments in the education of our workforce, cutting-edge energy technologies, and access to affordable healthcare. Finally, we have an opportunity to end the fiscally reckless ways of the past by reducing our deficit, taking on spiraling healthcare costs, and finding the bipartisan will to confront the problem of entitlement reform. In fact, I was very pleased that the President identified fiscal responsibility as one of the key pillars of recovery.

        “This month, the House passed a budget that starts work on many of the goals outlined by President Obama, making important long-term investments while cutting our deficit by nearly two-thirds by 2013. I look forward to working with the Senate to finalize the budget, a document that will lay the strong foundation of which the President spoke today.”

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    • The whole point of abolishing income tax goes along with abolshing big government as well. We don't need a FEDERAL government. Each State can be responsible for itself and raise whatever taxes it needs to build roads, etc. And I don't mean INCOME tax. Sales tax is more than enough. Federal government is nothing but an intrusion on our lives as free Americans. Abolish it too!

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