Comments on: End the Income Tax, Abolish the IRS

By: John Adams

John Adams — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:24:00 +0000

To get a better understanding of the way things are, go here and start watching the videos:
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the rest require a small donation:
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This should help clarify the context in which we now exist.

By: John Adams

John Adams — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:20:07 +0000

I had heard of Larken Rose but not 861. But yes, basically the truth is that the DOJ, the courts, congress and basically the entire system is completely corrupt. But the truth behind all this is a little more than most can comprehend. Basically, we are all ruled by international bankers. Can’t even begin to explain it but if you start digging, it won’t be long until you come to the same conclusion. JFK was killed for trying to end the fed. I suspect there are powers behind the facade of US govt that the average person knows very little about.

By: John Adams

John Adams — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:08:27 +0000

ok. I totally agree with abolishing the IRS. But let’s get our facts straight. The tax laws and the 16th amendment actually don’t make most people liable (legally) for a tax on the fruit of their labor anyway. Let’s just abolish the IRS as a fraudulent extortion racket. To understand the “income tax” takes a bit of study though. The 16th amendment, although deceptively worded, did NOT legalize a direct tax on the “income” of anyone. http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/04/16/greenslade.htm

Also, the income tax, according to the internal revenue code (Title 26 – http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26 ) is an excise tax – not a direct tax. As such, it does NOT apply to most Americans – it is a tax on federal privilege. Go here to learn more: http://www.losthorizons.com/ . You have to wade through a bit of hype at losthorizons, but Pete is 100% correct on on his assessment of the situation. The income tax is bogus but not for the reasons most people think.

The fact is this: The IRS and the Federal Reserve are unnecessary and in fact very destructive of freedom and a healthy economy.

They can both be easily jettisoned if only we had the collective balls to do it. But, beware: The people behind these institutions can and will bring other armies against us if we do this.

By: Fred

Fred — Sun, 27 Sep 2009 03:10:46 +0000

Just get rid of all govt. It is evil anyway, we are like Rome, stealing 2/3 of the worlds property, oil and other things. Then we have to PAY for it! What a rip! Funding an army that murders civilians abroad under ‘terror’ which is a lie too. But I see barbarian tribes entering America/Rome. History repeats itself.

By: steve dailey

steve dailey — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:18:42 +0000

I agree with you to a point…let’s abolish the 16th amendment and politicians and start over!

By: Abolish the 16th Amendment and return power to the people

Abolish the 16th Amendment and return power to the people — Sun, 03 May 2009 11:32:40 +0000

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By: Suzanne

Suzanne — Sun, 03 May 2009 06:52:44 +0000

So, what do we do about the injustice? I can’t say that I alone am willing to take the IRS to court. On Glenn Beck’s show on May 1, Judge Napolitano noted that if the States brought individual state bills/mandates to the Federal government, under the 10th amendment, to abolish the income tax and IRS that would get the ball rolling. Otherwise, we just share a noble sentiment and right thinking….leaving us only to point to a few brave citizens who were sufficiently well funded and brave to sue the IRS. We need a sweeping change of policy; the one-offs don’t serve “We the people.”

By: John I

John I — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:56:45 +0000

So how do we get this ball rolling full steam?

By: WILLIAM T. ARANT

WILLIAM T. ARANT — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:02:50 +0000

I have in my possession 2 volumes published in 1984.

The Law That Never Was – Volume 1 and
The Law That Never Was – Volume 2

Volume 1 contains evidence that the 16th Amendment was fraudulently passed into law. In actuality only 4 states passed it, some 17 or so Constitutional Amendment documents didn’t even have the governor’s signature to ratify the document. And some 20+ documents had minor changes in language and punctuation which would nullify said documents’ legitimacy as a Constitutional Amendment.

After going to all 48 states archives, the authors went to Washington D.C. archives and discovered signatures on the 17 documents (which were forged – they compared signatures of the governors at that time (1913) with the signatures on the documents in Washington D.C.’s archives and they are without a doubt – forgeries).

Volume 2 contains civil court cases as of 1984 of citizens who sued the Federal Government regarding taxation and won – thousands of cases are listed in Volume 2!

None of this would be a problem if Congress and the Executive Branches of government would have done their job, specifically, only passing a “balanced budget” > but it appears to be a deliberate effort over time to put us all in debt > and therefore “involuntary servitude” to a government that considers only its best interest, which best interest is making all of the citizens of this country > involuntary servants!

By: Suzanne

Suzanne — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 08:55:43 +0000

I went to a tea party on April 15, too, and became aware of the 861 Evidence, which makes it very clear that there are no laws to uphold that the average US citizen is required to pay any income tax, unless the income has derived from foreign corporations or entities. If this is the case, can Ron Paul and others in Congress get behind what is already the case. It would seem no new laws need to be passed or old ones repealed. The law as it already is doesn’t require taxes to be paid on domestic income. I believe you can find more information at http://www.861.info. The problem seems to be that the IRS and the courts will not address or defend any position on this when the 861 Evidence is raised by an individual, corporation, lawyer or CPA. According to the material I have read and watched on video, the response has been only to accelerate penalties for raising the issue, impose high fees, and threaten elimination of the source’s right to practice law, accounting, or whatever professional role. The lawyers, CPAs, and former IRS auditors commenting state that rational response and explanation from the IRS has been lacking because the 861 Evidence is the truth, and the IRS, courts, and the government at large choose to use force rather than to respond with supportable evidence to the contrary, because there is no law that supports the practice of collecting income tax on domestic income.

Does anyone know if Ron Paul or anyone in Congress is working to bring the 861 Evidence to the fore and establish legal precedent?