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  29. Matt

    Nice! OK, thank you for your educating non-answer!

    OK, I’ll be sure to forcefully educate people that ‘they’ are wrong and you are ‘right’ on that one… Your moral stance is irreproachable after all.

    Till next time!

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    1. Nate Y

      I didn’t tell you to forcefully educate anyone. I’m no fan of force. Way to strawman my “irreprocahable moral stance”.

      Do the countries I mentioned in my non-answer not have sounder economies than the US at present?

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  30. Matt

    It is no fence, my friend. Unless you believe ‘society with laws’ is ‘sitting on a fence’?

    For my edification, can you name me what you believe to be a ‘Free Market’ that is currently absent of regulation and is functioning effectively in utilizing the benefits of globalized commerce?

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    1. Nate Y

      The fence I speak of divides government interventionist solutions and free market solutions. You straddle it with the best of them.

      You seem to think that favoring free market solutions to economic ills means a person doesn’t believe in the rule of law or a “society of laws”. This couldn’t be further from the truth. The two are entirely compatible.

      Your question is impossible to answer. Too many of the words/phrases are nebulous and vague. But if you’re interested in learning the virtues of the free market and the (often unintended) vices of government, read Mises, Hayek, Hazlitt, Rothbard, Paine, Jefferson, and other liberty loving individuals.

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      1. Matt

        Yep, and you seem to believe that free market solutions with government regulation is considered ‘manipulation’. You polarize with the best of them.

        Impossible? Man, there are a lot of marketplaces in the world… Not even a try to help me understand your personal perspective, as you understand it, and working right now? Hmmmm, well if you could I would really appreciate it.

        If not, let me make it simpler then: What current market in the world would you like the United States market system to emulate?

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        1. Nate Y

          Fiat currencies, since they are intrinsically wortheless, have to be manipulated so they have value.

          Again, if you want to read about free market economics read the authors I listed (and others). A free market is not simply what I believe it to be.

          I would like to see the US emulate its former self. The periods of time when gold/silver were still used as money and we didn’t have a central bank. Or we can just look at any of the current creditor nations, those with a trade surplus, those with a strong manufacturing base, etc. for a glimpse at sounder economies.

          »crosslinked«

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      2. Matt

        By the way, I have read many essays by the aforementioned authors/politicials/economists, however, those ‘liberty-loving individuals’ do not have a monopoly on the ‘liberty-loving’ belief. Even those that have different economic perspectives are also ‘liberty-loving’.

        If ‘liberty-loving’ and ‘patiotism’ is a qualification for being a good economist, you should read the works of Keynes/Romer/Friedman/Bernanke/Samuelson.

        My RP-supporting friends despise being called un-patriotic because of their economic beliefs, I wouldn’t ascribe a similar moral high ground to other economists on that same faulty basis…

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        1. Nate Y

          Perhaps you should just talk with your RP supporting friends then. No doubt they could provide a much more in depth perspective given you can actually have an in person or verbal conversation with them.

          Anyone supporting a central bank with a monopoly on fiat money creation/issuance and the power of government to force people to use it as their medium of exchange, cannot be said to be liberty loving no matter how much they believe they are.

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  31. Nate Y

    Not really. I’m suggesting that since the world currencies are fiat, are issued and heavily regulated/manipulated by governments/central banks, they can in no way be said to be free. As a result, the market which trades them cannot be called free.

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    1. Matt

      Here is one of many intersting articles just this very morning about your so-called “CANNOT BE CALLED FREE” markets.

      Sometimes I find it very interesting that, when markets these days move in a direction espousing the gloom and doom of the current belief system, they are called ‘efficient’ and when they move in a direction counter to his economic policy they are called ‘manipulated’:

      Japanese Housewives Increase Wagers Yen Will Weaken
      http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a3KpB_GHQrJI&refer=home

      “Individual investors, called housewives after the women who traditionally managed finances in Japanese families, have 1,434 trillion yen ($14.9 trillion) of savings, according to the Bank of Japan. They’re seeking higher returns after the central bank cut its benchmark interest rate to 0.1 percent.”

      However, I believe that we have free markets with respect to global currency trading, the flow of information and participation is greater now than ever before, and given the size and complexity cannot be ‘manipulated’ to the extent you are implying.

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      1. Nate Y

        You can believe it all you want but that’ll never make it true. Enjoy straddling that fence.

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  32. Matt

    With respect to current global valuation of the United States dollar, does the aggregate global economy have no clue when ascribing a value relative to other currencies?

    Is this something the global free-market economy is getting wrong?

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    1. Nate Y

      What is this “global free-market economy” of which you speak?

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      1. Matt

        http://www.forex.com/

        Are you implying private capital around the world cannot participate in purchasing or selling foreign currencies (e.g. ‘creating a market’) whenever they wish and however they like?

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