Comments on: Ron Paul on the Reality Report http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-11/ron-paul-on-the-reality-report/ Ron Paul is America's leading voice for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies. The Ron Paul Revolution continues. Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:56:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Nate Yhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-11/ron-paul-on-the-reality-report/comment-page-1/#comment-19275 Nate Y Wed, 13 May 2009 18:34:45 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2314#comment-19275 I didn't tell you to forcefully educate anyone. I'm no fan of force. Way to strawman my "irreprocahable moral stance".Do the countries I mentioned in my non-answer not have sounder economies than the US at present? I didn’t tell you to forcefully educate anyone. I’m no fan of force. Way to strawman my “irreprocahable moral stance”.

Do the countries I mentioned in my non-answer not have sounder economies than the US at present?

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: Matthttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-11/ron-paul-on-the-reality-report/comment-page-1/#comment-19273 Matt Wed, 13 May 2009 18:01:42 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2314#comment-19273 Nice! OK, thank you for your educating non-answer!OK, I'll be sure to forcefully educate people that 'they' are wrong and you are 'right' on that one... Your moral stance is irreproachable after all.Till next time! Nice! OK, thank you for your educating non-answer!

OK, I’ll be sure to forcefully educate people that ‘they’ are wrong and you are ‘right’ on that one… Your moral stance is irreproachable after all.

Till next time!

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: Nate Yhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-11/ron-paul-on-the-reality-report/comment-page-1/#comment-19272 Nate Y Wed, 13 May 2009 17:58:29 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2314#comment-19272 Perhaps you should just talk with your RP supporting friends then. No doubt they could provide a much more in depth perspective given you can actually have an in person or verbal conversation with them.Anyone supporting a central bank with a monopoly on fiat money creation/issuance and the power of government to force people to use it as their medium of exchange, cannot be said to be liberty loving no matter how much they believe they are. Perhaps you should just talk with your RP supporting friends then. No doubt they could provide a much more in depth perspective given you can actually have an in person or verbal conversation with them.

Anyone supporting a central bank with a monopoly on fiat money creation/issuance and the power of government to force people to use it as their medium of exchange, cannot be said to be liberty loving no matter how much they believe they are.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: Nate Yhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-11/ron-paul-on-the-reality-report/comment-page-1/#comment-19271 Nate Y Wed, 13 May 2009 17:50:24 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2314#comment-19271 Fiat currencies, since they are intrinsically wortheless, have to be manipulated so they have value.Again, if you want to read about free market economics read the authors I listed (and others). A free market is not simply what I believe it to be.I would like to see the US emulate its former self. The periods of time when gold/silver were still used as money and we didn't have a central bank. Or we can just look at any of the current creditor nations, those with a trade surplus, those with a strong manufacturing base, etc. for a glimpse at sounder economies. Fiat currencies, since they are intrinsically wortheless, have to be manipulated so they have value.

Again, if you want to read about free market economics read the authors I listed (and others). A free market is not simply what I believe it to be.

I would like to see the US emulate its former self. The periods of time when gold/silver were still used as money and we didn’t have a central bank. Or we can just look at any of the current creditor nations, those with a trade surplus, those with a strong manufacturing base, etc. for a glimpse at sounder economies.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: Matthttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-11/ron-paul-on-the-reality-report/comment-page-1/#comment-19270 Matt Wed, 13 May 2009 17:38:05 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2314#comment-19270 By the way, I have read many essays by the aforementioned authors/politicials/economists, however, those 'liberty-loving individuals' do not have a monopoly on the 'liberty-loving' belief. Even those that have different economic perspectives are also 'liberty-loving'.If 'liberty-loving' and 'patiotism' is a qualification for being a good economist, you should read the works of Keynes/Romer/Friedman/Bernanke/Samuelson.My RP-supporting friends despise being called un-patriotic because of their economic beliefs, I wouldn't ascribe a similar moral high ground to other economists on that same faulty basis... By the way, I have read many essays by the aforementioned authors/politicials/economists, however, those ‘liberty-loving individuals’ do not have a monopoly on the ‘liberty-loving’ belief. Even those that have different economic perspectives are also ‘liberty-loving’.

If ‘liberty-loving’ and ‘patiotism’ is a qualification for being a good economist, you should read the works of Keynes/Romer/Friedman/Bernanke/Samuelson.

My RP-supporting friends despise being called un-patriotic because of their economic beliefs, I wouldn’t ascribe a similar moral high ground to other economists on that same faulty basis…

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: Matthttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-11/ron-paul-on-the-reality-report/comment-page-1/#comment-19268 Matt Wed, 13 May 2009 17:29:26 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2314#comment-19268 Yep, and you seem to believe that free market solutions with government regulation is considered 'manipulation'. You polarize with the best of them.Impossible? Man, there are a lot of marketplaces in the world... Not even a try to help me understand your personal perspective, as you understand it, and working right now? Hmmmm, well if you could I would really appreciate it.If not, let me make it simpler then: What current market in the world would you like the United States market system to emulate? Yep, and you seem to believe that free market solutions with government regulation is considered ‘manipulation’. You polarize with the best of them.

Impossible? Man, there are a lot of marketplaces in the world… Not even a try to help me understand your personal perspective, as you understand it, and working right now? Hmmmm, well if you could I would really appreciate it.

If not, let me make it simpler then: What current market in the world would you like the United States market system to emulate?

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: Nate Yhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-11/ron-paul-on-the-reality-report/comment-page-1/#comment-19266 Nate Y Wed, 13 May 2009 16:24:10 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2314#comment-19266 The fence I speak of divides government interventionist solutions and free market solutions. You straddle it with the best of them.You seem to think that favoring free market solutions to economic ills means a person doesn't believe in the rule of law or a "society of laws". This couldn't be further from the truth. The two are entirely compatible.Your question is impossible to answer. Too many of the words/phrases are nebulous and vague. But if you're interested in learning the virtues of the free market and the (often unintended) vices of government, read Mises, Hayek, Hazlitt, Rothbard, Paine, Jefferson, and other liberty loving individuals. The fence I speak of divides government interventionist solutions and free market solutions. You straddle it with the best of them.

You seem to think that favoring free market solutions to economic ills means a person doesn’t believe in the rule of law or a “society of laws”. This couldn’t be further from the truth. The two are entirely compatible.

Your question is impossible to answer. Too many of the words/phrases are nebulous and vague. But if you’re interested in learning the virtues of the free market and the (often unintended) vices of government, read Mises, Hayek, Hazlitt, Rothbard, Paine, Jefferson, and other liberty loving individuals.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: Matthttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-11/ron-paul-on-the-reality-report/comment-page-1/#comment-19264 Matt Wed, 13 May 2009 15:50:35 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2314#comment-19264 It is no fence, my friend. Unless you believe 'society with laws' is 'sitting on a fence'?For my edification, can you name me what you believe to be a 'Free Market' that is currently absent of regulation and is functioning effectively in utilizing the benefits of globalized commerce? It is no fence, my friend. Unless you believe ’society with laws’ is ’sitting on a fence’?

For my edification, can you name me what you believe to be a ‘Free Market’ that is currently absent of regulation and is functioning effectively in utilizing the benefits of globalized commerce?

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: Nate Yhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-11/ron-paul-on-the-reality-report/comment-page-1/#comment-19261 Nate Y Wed, 13 May 2009 15:14:29 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2314#comment-19261 You can believe it all you want but that'll never make it true. Enjoy straddling that fence. You can believe it all you want but that’ll never make it true. Enjoy straddling that fence.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]> By: Matthttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-11/ron-paul-on-the-reality-report/comment-page-1/#comment-19257 Matt Wed, 13 May 2009 12:05:05 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2314#comment-19257 Here is one of many intersting articles just this very morning about your so-called "CANNOT BE CALLED FREE" markets.Sometimes I find it very interesting that, when markets these days move in a direction espousing the gloom and doom of the current belief system, they are called 'efficient' and when they move in a direction counter to his economic policy they are called 'manipulated':Japanese Housewives Increase Wagers Yen Will Weaken http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a3KpB_GHQrJI&refer=home"Individual investors, called housewives after the women who traditionally managed finances in Japanese families, have 1,434 trillion yen ($14.9 trillion) of savings, according to the Bank of Japan. They’re seeking higher returns after the central bank cut its benchmark interest rate to 0.1 percent."However, I believe that we have free markets with respect to global currency trading, the flow of information and participation is greater now than ever before, and given the size and complexity cannot be 'manipulated' to the extent you are implying. Here is one of many intersting articles just this very morning about your so-called “CANNOT BE CALLED FREE” markets.

Sometimes I find it very interesting that, when markets these days move in a direction espousing the gloom and doom of the current belief system, they are called ‘efficient’ and when they move in a direction counter to his economic policy they are called ‘manipulated’:

Japanese Housewives Increase Wagers Yen Will Weaken
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a3KpB_GHQrJI&refer=home

“Individual investors, called housewives after the women who traditionally managed finances in Japanese families, have 1,434 trillion yen ($14.9 trillion) of savings, according to the Bank of Japan. They’re seeking higher returns after the central bank cut its benchmark interest rate to 0.1 percent.”

However, I believe that we have free markets with respect to global currency trading, the flow of information and participation is greater now than ever before, and given the size and complexity cannot be ‘manipulated’ to the extent you are implying.

Like or Dislike: Thumb up 0 Thumb down 0

]]>