Comments on: Ron Paul on Torture http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-13/ron-paul-on-torture/ Ron Paul is America's leading voice for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies. The Ron Paul Revolution continues. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:44:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: we the peoplehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-13/ron-paul-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-19985 we the people Mon, 25 May 2009 17:08:08 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2340#comment-19985 dfence why don't you go and get water boarded by a professional. make a video out of it so that we could see the results after the fact. then lets see if you'll defend it so dfence why don’t you go and get water boarded by a professional. make a video out of it so that we could see the results after the fact. then lets see if you’ll defend it so

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]]> By: VicBrownhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-13/ron-paul-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-19982 VicBrown Mon, 25 May 2009 16:48:40 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2340#comment-19982 To answer your hypo question: the intrerigator faces a moral decision about using torture to extract the info...that is "break the law" to save a life. Our courts have 2 methods of dealing with this problem..1)jURY NULLIFICATION AND 2)Presidential pardon. Most importantly, we must recognize that torture is against the law!! Let our systems of gov't protect the interragator's action in this scenario. To answer your hypo question: the intrerigator faces a moral decision about using torture to extract the info…that is “break the law” to save a life. Our courts have 2 methods of dealing with this problem..1)jURY NULLIFICATION AND 2)Presidential pardon.
Most importantly, we must recognize that torture is against the law!! Let our systems of gov’t protect the interragator’s action in this scenario.

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]]> By: Nate Yhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-13/ron-paul-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-19684 Nate Y Thu, 21 May 2009 15:24:28 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2340#comment-19684 Not really. You're the one who is twisting words and making assumptions about the beliefs of others. Not really. You’re the one who is twisting words and making assumptions about the beliefs of others.

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]]> By: Matthttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-13/ron-paul-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-19682 Matt Thu, 21 May 2009 14:24:08 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2340#comment-19682 I disagree.How about the civil war, for just one of many, examples. I disagree.

How about the civil war, for just one of many, examples.

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]]> By: Dfenshttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-13/ron-paul-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-19678 Dfens Thu, 21 May 2009 13:37:43 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2340#comment-19678 Might want to brush up on your reading skills, Nate Y. Might want to brush up on your reading skills, Nate Y.

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]]> By: Fluidly Unsurehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-13/ron-paul-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-19593 Fluidly Unsure Wed, 20 May 2009 12:59:30 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2340#comment-19593 Or maybe define the dividing line between cruel acts and torture much more concisely. What is defined as unacceptable torture to some is simply uncomfortable or even cruel actions to another.On a less serious note; I used to have a neighbor who "tortured" me with Metalica most days of the week. Since the city wouldn't do anything maybe I should have called the UN to get him to turn his speakers down. But then what would they say about my playing Bach? Or maybe define the dividing line between cruel acts and torture much more concisely. What is defined as unacceptable torture to some is simply uncomfortable or even cruel actions to another.

On a less serious note; I used to have a neighbor who “tortured” me with Metalica most days of the week. Since the city wouldn’t do anything maybe I should have called the UN to get him to turn his speakers down. But then what would they say about my playing Bach?

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]]> By: Nate Yhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-13/ron-paul-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-19580 Nate Y Wed, 20 May 2009 05:18:41 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2340#comment-19580 What the heck are you talking about dude? No one has said anything even remotely close to "In a civilized society it’s ok to incinerate the enemy. It’s ok to disembowel them. It’s ok to blow off their arms and legs. You can stab them in one or both eyes if you want. You can bomb women and children from the air. They can die slow miserable deaths from insufficient medical treatment and infection."Also, no one said we could see torture used on US citizens if a judge were to declare torture legal. Omar Armenteros said such action could lead to torture being used on "law abiding citizens". Law abiding citizens exist in every country. The implication being that US forces could then use torture on law abiding citizens of countries with which we happen to be at war. I'm no fan of slippery slope arguments. But you could at least address what was actually written and not straw man the argument.Who has these thermonuclear bombs? I've always understood that the US has (by far) the largest nuclear arsenal. Talk about hypocritical! What the heck are you talking about dude? No one has said anything even remotely close to “In a civilized society it’s ok to incinerate the enemy. It’s ok to disembowel them. It’s ok to blow off their arms and legs. You can stab them in one or both eyes if you want. You can bomb women and children from the air. They can die slow miserable deaths from insufficient medical treatment and infection.”

Also, no one said we could see torture used on US citizens if a judge were to declare torture legal. Omar Armenteros said such action could lead to torture being used on “law abiding citizens”. Law abiding citizens exist in every country. The implication being that US forces could then use torture on law abiding citizens of countries with which we happen to be at war. I’m no fan of slippery slope arguments. But you could at least address what was actually written and not straw man the argument.

Who has these thermonuclear bombs? I’ve always understood that the US has (by far) the largest nuclear arsenal. Talk about hypocritical!

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]]> By: Dfenshttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-13/ron-paul-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-19575 Dfens Wed, 20 May 2009 02:44:42 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2340#comment-19575 What a bunch of hipocrites! Your phoney "morality" doesn't stand up to even a cursory hypothetical analysis. You're using international law to take our soveriegnty away from us and give it to the very international community you said you despised when it came to NAFTA, the UN, and the WTO. Two faced hypocrites!In a civilized society it's ok to incinerate the enemy. It's ok to disembowel them. It's ok to blow off their arms and legs. You can stab them in one or both eyes if you want. You can bomb women and children from the air. They can die slow miserable deaths from insufficient medical treatment and infection. Oh, but "torture has no place in a civil society".To further demonstrate what a bunch of hipocrites you are, you say that if our armed forces use torture, then it logically follows they will immediately turn those techniques on US citizens! Idiots! They've got thermonuclear bombs, enough to destroy us all 100 times over and they don't use those on US citizens, but we are supposed to believe that if we give them the awesome power of the water board then look out? How stupid are you? What a bunch of hipocrites! Your phoney “morality” doesn’t stand up to even a cursory hypothetical analysis. You’re using international law to take our soveriegnty away from us and give it to the very international community you said you despised when it came to NAFTA, the UN, and the WTO. Two faced hypocrites!

In a civilized society it’s ok to incinerate the enemy. It’s ok to disembowel them. It’s ok to blow off their arms and legs. You can stab them in one or both eyes if you want. You can bomb women and children from the air. They can die slow miserable deaths from insufficient medical treatment and infection. Oh, but “torture has no place in a civil society”.

To further demonstrate what a bunch of hipocrites you are, you say that if our armed forces use torture, then it logically follows they will immediately turn those techniques on US citizens! Idiots! They’ve got thermonuclear bombs, enough to destroy us all 100 times over and they don’t use those on US citizens, but we are supposed to believe that if we give them the awesome power of the water board then look out? How stupid are you?

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]]> By: Nate Yhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-13/ron-paul-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-19573 Nate Y Wed, 20 May 2009 00:01:23 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2340#comment-19573 Well then it's obvious what must be done. You must simply list all the cruel acts you can think of and let us know which ones are torture and which ones aren't. Piece of cake. Well then it’s obvious what must be done. You must simply list all the cruel acts you can think of and let us know which ones are torture and which ones aren’t. Piece of cake.

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]]> By: Fluidly Unsurehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-13/ron-paul-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-19570 Fluidly Unsure Tue, 19 May 2009 22:02:05 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2340#comment-19570 "War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out." General William Tecumseh ShermanAt least he was honest. “War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out.”
General William Tecumseh Sherman

At least he was honest.

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