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  10. Shannon

    Some victims of this crime believe they are part of an involuntary human experimentation program.

    On Feb. 28 2011 – Mar. 1 2011 there was The Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues. Below is a link to the Public Comment section of the conference of victims who give testimony of their experiences with electronic torture.

    http://www.tvworldwide.com/events/bioethics/110228

    Thank you,

    Shannon Herbert

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  11. Shannon

    Organized Stalking and Electronic Torture

    The people who participate in these crimes are well known for preying on defenseless women. That makes them cowards. Stalking, threatening, harassing and torturing women they don’t even know not only makes them cowards but also cowards that suffer from psychopathy. The fact that there are no shortage of these people in our country is quickly becoming a sad reality.

    I know this first hand because I am a person who suffers from this assault called, Organized Stalking and Electronic Torture, daily.
    If you want to know what it’s like to have to try to live through this crime, try to imagine yourself on the television show Fear Factor or Punk’d, except there’s no cameras and laughter at the end with people saying we’re just kidding. Then imagine these acts of “street theater” occuring on a daily basis. Then try to imagine this while experiencing the most horrific pain, like an electric current (Electronic Harassment) shooting from the top of your skull throughout your entire body so bad at times you can barely walk. And then try to imagine this while you look in your friends and family members faces and not talk about it and try to maintain a job.

    I came across an interesting website that talk about this subject called “Are You Targeted . com.
    It touches on the topic of media involvement and has video of interviews given by intelligence agents warning about the dangers of these weapons in use. This website also mentions groups who participate in the stalking.

    There’s one group this site leaves out that I would address now and that’s foreigners. Let me make this clear I don’t hate anyone and I don’t encourage anyone else to hate either, but there is one group of people who are notoriously known for stalking/mobbing and that’s Asians. I know that sound ignorant for me to say that but I’m saying for two reasons:

    1. I take great offense to people who come to my country and then try to chase me out of it.

    2. More importantly, some of these people doing this stalking to me can barely speak english, like my friend’s upstairs neighbor. That tell me that they learned this behavior in their own country and are now using it for social, political (sleeper cell, espionage), and economic (intellectual property and identity theft) purposes. But then again, there are many groups who participate in this for those very same purposes. Anyway, everyone should be very concerned about people who come here who are skilled in terrorism. Beware!

    I mentioned before that those who were conducting the experiments at General Hospital made it perfectly clear they were reading my thoughts, as well as some of my stalkers. I want to address Remote Neurological Monitoring (RNM), some of the dangers of it, and how I suspect it’s being used on me:

    1. America is becoming a service and intellectual property supplier nation. Where do you think all this “intellectual property” is suppose to come from? Well monitoring (mining) the minds of cattle it’s cattle of course. That means me and you. I read some where that these super computors can “monitor” the minds millions at a time. Did anyone ask you if they could have access to your thoughts? They sure as hell didn’t ask me! Anyone whose reading my thoughts are making a mint. Where’s my cut? You can bet your bottom dollar you won’t be reaping the benefits of your own thoughts either.

    This is Intellectual Property Theft. It has nothing to do with National Security; it is theft, rape, and a robbery pure and simple. Your thoughts will be sold to the highest bidders.

    It’s obvious these people want to know everything about me; well, why didn’t they just ask and of course paid me. But, that’s not how these people do business. They are theives and violators. The very worst scum this country has to offer. But I’m sure many will lovingly refer to them as the “thought police” and not as the mind control, intellectual property thieven, weapons of mass control using, body snatchers that they really are.

    2. I don’t think many know how dangerous it is for a government (foreign or domestic) or anyone else to be “monitoring” the thoughts of the people.
    Monitor = spy on, steal and police (censor).

    - I mean actual thoughts in real time and virtually seeing through your eyes.
    - If “they” don’t like what you’re thinking then “they” can Electronically Torture you, in real time.

    If you think Free Speech and our Constitution is dead now you just wait, soon they’ll be deader than door knobs, if these activities aren’t curtailed.

    3. Who wants to be wired and hooked up to a machine? I sure as hell don’t! Who wants a bunch of mind control cult members having access to their person? Not me! These people are trash and they’re psychopaths.

    And if you allow these people to destroy our Constitution and turn you, your children and your country’s men and women into robots than your a bigger fool than these people take you for.

    4. All this radiation can’t be good for me. I’m sure I’ll die of a horrible disease sooner than later. Then “they” may take my body and disect it at the University of California.

    Internet Access:
    - $39.99 a month.

    To hear Webster Tarpley call Julian Assange a MK-Ultra, child theft, sex and drug experiment victim from a town full of nurse and psychiatric cult members; well now, that’s just…
    - priceless.

    I found this interesting because I feel my tormentors are trying to into a MK-Ultra (trama based behavior modification) victim as well and wondered if this cult from Austrialia has any connections to the psychiatric community here in San Francisco, in particular, the one that operates out of General Hospital?

    Lastly, I don’t know how many victims of this crime can connect their harassment to a hospital or anyother facility, but I can. On three occasions I was falsely imprisoned, experimented on, and electronically tortured in the summer of 2008. Two people who were following me around San Francisco conducting “street theater” were also at the hospital participating in the street theater there as well. That’s a direct link to the hospital being involved in the Organized Stalking Electronic Harassment out in public and away from the hospital too. I can pick every last one of them out of a line up.

    I want to sue the hell out of them. A lawsuit against General Hospital (a county facility) alone could yield ten of millions of dollars. It’s a possibility merely filing a lawsuit of this nature could result in an instant settlement. Since the crimes that I’ve mention are Federal Offenses I don’t know if you need to be an attorney from San Francisco or even from California. Maybe someone hear can answer that?

    If you are a lawyer and are familiar with these activities then I ask that you please consider filing a case with me. I need help and can definately use the money. Maybe you could too.

    Thank you,
    Shannon Herbert

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  12. sharon julia pasternak

    Hello Senator Ron Paul, Please know that organized gang stalker killers are not always the multiple groups of terror cells that plan, follow, stalk, ruin jobs, tamper with mail, and make noises on the innocent targets. They use advanced weapons such as high power lasers, Raython microwave gun, biologicals, plasma, photonics, atomics, sonic acoustics, arranged car accidents to inject r implant the body with transceievers and radiations. There is more. They kill and they maime. The weapons blind as in taking away eyesight for ever. I have scars and damage from the repeated attacks. Many terror cells take parts of tactics to attack me thoughout the day. They always use electric employees to carry out covert black operations – as well as many professionals – lawyers, court employees, police, and remotely mind corntrolling the neighbors. They use nazi paperclip derived tactics to attack and repatedly arrange ruinations. There is much more. So it is not just about harrassment. These low lifes are killers. They poison your food supply in ways you cannot imagine that is true but if you watch carefully you see it is true. There is a learning curve for all TI that may be lethal. Let us share more and expose each stalker killer so their ugly faces are publically displayed. If you are a TI find me please on peacepink.ning.com Don’t loose your vision in an attack – takes them 1 second to remove your eyesight and takes only about 15 of them to stage a road accident and then inject your body with a drug or poison. The advanced weaponry is such that folks are shy to talk about it. They use invisibility and holograms as well as synthethic beings. There is more. If you care about me as I care about you, let us help each other.

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  13. gangstalking

    In regards to the Organized Gang Stalking comment, check out the Violent Person Registry. People are being put on lists without their knowledge and followed around. The Violent Person Registry is the U.K. version, but other countries have similar under community health and safely.

    Have a problem with an authority figure, employer, etc, you could be on a list. It goes with the Gang Stalking.

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  14. Bonnie Calcagno

    Please Congressman Paul,
    Look into the “torture” that is taking place right here at home with U.S. Surveillance Policy.

    Is COINTELPRO Back Using Organized Gang Stalking?

    Imagine what it is like to be stalked by 20, 30, or 40 people a day, to have one of them there when you leave your house in the morning, there when you come home at night. That is what organized gang stalking targets go through. They are stalked at intersections, in parks, in stores, as they walk along streets, as they enter or exit buildings, everywhere they go. Now imagine that this organized gang stalking happens not for one day or for a week or for a month, but for years.
    A target’s property might have trash thrown on it. There might be car alarms set off or beeping of horns if they try to take a walk, when the go to throw out the trash. There might be noise scheduled to disrupt their sleep. Neighbors might be enlisted to join in the harassment in an attempt to socially isolate the target. Dogs might be used to intimidate, running up to the target, or jumping out of car windows. There might be wrong numbers to the target’s phone, vehicles stopping and standing in front of the target’s home.
    What organized gang stalkers do is sensitize the target to a stimulus that all the gang stalkers use. The stimulus is often an everyday thing – for instance, the color “red.” The thing that makes the stimulus so aversive is the frequency with which it occurs. A group of 20 or 30 or 40 or more of organized gang stalkers might be involved in harassing the target, so the target is continuously harassed with the same stimulus but by different individuals. Every time the target enters or leaves his or her home, for instance, an organized gang stalker will be there with something red on. The target’s routines are ascertained. Neighbors – afraid of being gang stalked themselves – might alert the gang stalkers when the target is leaving his or her home. When the target walks on the beach, three or four gang stalkers wearing red might be there. When the target opens his or her blinds in the morning, the first thing he or she will see will be a gang stalker in red. It is the frequency of the stimulus and the duration of the gang stalking that makes it so aversive along with the isolation of the target.
    Some of the tactics used in gang stalking are similar to tactics used in the Counter Intelligence Program (COINTELPRO) used by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) between 1956 and 1971. Brian Glick, an attorney, tells us in his book, War at Home, the four main methods used by the FBI during COINTELPRO were psychological warfare, infiltration, harassment through the legal system, and extralegal force and violence. Just as neighbors today are solicited to join in gang stalking a target, back in the fifties and sixties, the FBI would pressure parents, employers, landlords. school officials and others in the life of targets to cause problems for them. Back then the FBI used dirty tricks to discredit targets, just as today in organized gang stalking misinformation about targets is spread. Brian Glick tells us the FBI used psychological warfare in their COINTELPRO program in the 50’s and 60’s against targets; today in organized gang stalking psychological tactics are used where ordinary everyday items are repetively used to create doublebinds. Open garage doors, lawn mowers left on front lawns are repetitively used by all the gang stalkers to attract the target’s notice where to notice and report such everything things makes the target sound crazy – the intent of the gang stalkers. In the 50’s and 60’s FBI agents would infiltrate groups pretending to be members; gang stalking targets today allege infiltration is taking place again with those feigning to be gang stalking targets making outrageous claims to create the impression targets are paranoid.
    Is COINTELPRO back? Let’s look at the facts. The Attorney General’s Guidelines released on May 30, 2002 rescinded anti-COINTELPRO regulations opening the door to further COINTELPRO operations. Allegations have been made that organized gang stalkers are using red cars, red trucks, wearing-carrying red. The FBI has used conspicuous surveillance before. Moreover, the Bush Administration wanted to get community groups such as the Neighborhood Watch Groups to play a broader role of surveillance in the War on Terror. Its Justice Department put forth the Terrorist Information and Prevention System, Operation TIPS, which planned to involve millions of workers nationwide as informants in the War on Terror. Through a Citizen Corp George Bush hoped to get Americans across the country engaged in homeland security. The Bill of Rights Defense Committee said the TIPS program would get citizens to “secretly provide information to the government about any persons whom they consider suspicious, and for the government to set up files on these persons.” The fear of the Bill of Rights Defense Committee was that doing that “may potentially damage someone’s record due to innocent activities that are misunderstood or are invented or enhanced by the caller because of a personal vendetta.” Under pressure from Congress the TIPS program was supposedly not put into effect. But it has been said a version of it was put into effect in secret. Regardless, a team of inspectors general in July, 2009 reported that the Bush administration did put into effect an unprecedented surveillance operation by executive order after the 9/11 attack. We don’t know what the surveillance programs were because they are classified. Representative Jane Harman expressed shock when she heard of these classified surveillance programs. Senator Patrick Leahy called for a nonpartisan inquiry into the government’s information-gathering programs. When in response to two Freedom of Information Act lawsuits the FBI published on its website its Domestic Investigations and Operations Guidelines, it deleted almost the entire section on the “undisclosed participation” by the FBI or its informants in domestic groups. So the question is who are the FBI’s informants in domestic groups? Is there a relationship between what it is trying to hide and the citizens with red cars, red trucks, wearing and carrying red who are part of the organized gang stalkers harassing American citizens.
    COINTELPRO in the 50’s and 60’s targeted members of the women’s rights movement, the National Lawyer’s Guild, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, groups protesting the Vietnam War, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People among others. The Church Committee concluded our government undertook government surveillance of people because of their political beliefs even when there was no threat of violence or criminal behavior on behalf of a foreign power. The American Civil Liberties Union tells us today Section 802 of the USA Patriot Act expanded the type of conduct the government can investigate when investigating terrorism. “The definition of domestic terrorism is broad enough to encompass the activities of several prominent activist campaigns and organizations.” The ACLU names Greenpeace, Operation Rescue, Vieques Island and WTO protestors and the Environmental Liberation Front” as having engaged in activities that could be branded domestic terrorism. While the right is complaining the label domestic terrorist is being attached to supporters of Ron Paul, Bob Barr, libertarians, those who have written about the constitution, Tea Party Activists and a host of others.
    Senator Feingold, the chairman of the Constitution Subcommittee of the Senate Judiciary Committee, before he even knew who would succeed George Bush, called on the incoming President “to pledge his commitment to restoring the rule of law” in America. In his Report Card on the First 100 Days of the Obama Administration he has given an “Incomplete” in every area of Obama’s record on Domestic Surveillance and Privacy: an incomplete on “declassifying info about implementation of controversial provisions of the Patriot Act,” an incomplete on “cooperate with a review of domestic intelligence activities and authorities,” an incomplete on “support legislative changes to the FISA Amendments Act,” an incomplete on “reconsider the new Attorney General Guidelines governing FBI investigations.” In testimony given to the Senate Committee On The Judiciary, Subcommittee On The Constitution, Civil Rights, And Property Rights, which Senator Feingold chairs – Frederick A.O. Schwarz, Jr., Senior Counsel at the Brennan Center for Justice in New York City, wrote “a bipartisan independent investigatory Commission should be established by the next Congress and President, first to determine what has gone wrong (and right) with our policies and practices in confronting terrorists since September 11, 2001, and then to recommend lasting solutions to address past mistakes.” Later in his testimony he wrote, “A Commission would serve several functions. It would reveal the many as-yet-unknown aspects of what our government has done and how it evaluated or rationalized its action. And there is much we do not know. We still do not know, for example, the legal justifications advanced for the so-called ‘extraordinary rendition’ or ‘terrorist surveillance’ programs. We do not know with sufficient detail who was responsible for advocating and implementing the troubling policies based on these legal opinions. Nor do we know whether there are other secret programs that have not yet been revealed. But, as former Attorney General Nicholas deB. Katzenbach and I have argued elsewhere, in a country whose government is premised on the rule of law, there is never a justification for keeping binding legal decisions secret.”
    The last COINTELPRO program was only made public when an FBI field office was burglarized by left-wing radicals and files there were passed to news agencies (many who wouldn’t publish the information). If organized gang stalking is the latest tactic being used in a new version of COINTELPRO with the same old objective of – neutralizing dissidents – how will we ever find out without a Commission to look into the classified surveillance programs started by George Bush and continued by Barach Obama as part of the War on Terror?

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    1. Justin

      Excellent writing Bonnie; – thank you!

      Justin, TI Ottawa, Canada.

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    2. Bonnie C

      Thanks, to Bonnie C from Bonnie C in Georgia. I appreciate the website and comments you make about this problem that we both have. Gang stalking is a horrendous assault on personal liberties. Having been subjected to it for over 20 years, and surprisingly to me and certainly to them, keeping my sanity, I am writing letters, blogging and creating a website to bring awareness to this problem that is “more common” than people realize. We all have rights to freedoms and privacy that’s being fully ignored. Let’s keep working at this until SOMETHNG changes. Thanks again.

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  16. christine

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  17. Angie

    My brother, a Sgt in the Marines, has been put through extensive training and gone through torture for information himself. And like the soldier he was trained to be, he didn’t crack.

    Rather than trying to cooperate with these terrorists, or torture them, we need to be protecting our own people. Not every man or terrorist is the same, and not every method will work on them the same.

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  18. BDM1942

    Dfens reminds me of the Japanese officers in the Phillipines, Spring of ’42.

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  19. Dfens

    More talking out of your ass! Have you ever tortured anyone? We are told by those who have tortured these terrorist bastards whose rights you are so worried about that these techniques work just fine. Who should I believe those who have done it, or some dumbass off the street? Or Ron Paul? They teach our pilots that they will be tortured by the enemy and that they will break and tell everything they know. All of our military and intelligence agencies operate from the assumption that prisoners will be broken by torture within a week or so of capture, but you know better than all of them? You don’t know spit. Neither does Ron Paul. This is all nothing more than hypocrisy. A bunch of flaccid wimps imposing their morality on others while sitting back in their easy chairs and demanding protection of their “rights”.

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    1. john

      Ok genious.. Bob Baer? The guy on on the Bill Maher show? From what i understand the guy who you have saying torture DOES work is Dick Chenney? WOW the guy who authorized it…. REAL SMART. Stop hearing what you want to hear you imbecile.

      Bob Baer, a former CIA officer visits the set of Real Time with Bill Maher and explains why torture doesn’t work and why waterboarding is torture. Baer also notes that we haven’t even seen the worst of what happened because there are ninety two CIA cases that were destroyed because what was in them was so horrific.

      Their you have it moron, a CIA officer/operative even states it doesnt work. Im sure the reasons are too complex for a hillbilly like you to understand though. Just because you would squeel like a girl if someone twisted your arm, it doesnt mean these “terrorists” would ok?. Be realistic and listen to
      what other people are saying.

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  20. Dfens

    I’ve tortured plenty of people. It always worked. I beat the hell out of one guy who with two of his buddies were harassing a girl from church. Real remarkable how I tortured them in to stopping that behavior. Was that “immoral”? I guess if you’re some sort of bleeding heart liberal it might be considered that. Another time way back in grade school I beat a guy and twisted his arm behind his back so he’d tell me where he and his buddies were hiding a couple of the littler kids they’d been harassing. Funny how he lead me right to where they were hiding those kids. Threatening to break his arm worked just fine. Told the little kids to go play and let me know of those bastards ever harassed them again. Never had another problem after that. Was that immoral? You bunch of panty waist wimps. You wouldn’t know how to fight your way out of a paper bag. You should have grown up on my side of the tracks, you might know something about how life really works.

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    1. john

      Ok Dfens, We are not panty waist wimps, and you dont even know any of us. You sound a lot like an ignorant hick to me. Ive been trying to explain that these people have lost their familes, and TORTURE DOESNT WORK ON THEM. If it worked, you would hear a different argument im sure, but it doesnt. So its morons like you that say.. GEE LETS KEEP TORTURIN EM… IM SURE ITLL WORK SOME DAY. It isnt working, Not 1 useful piece of information has been obtained through it. Do you understand? These guys dont harrass us for fun, they seek REVENGE. If we keep doing this (which we are), we are going to get a horrible reputation around the world. THATS WHAT OPENS US UP TO TERRORISM. Im sorry dfens but terrorists arent jealous of your “free and prosperous” life. I know its so hard to believe, but, its the truth!

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      1. Vinnie

        I don’t think that you can say “torture doesn’t produce useful information” until the facts are in as to what exactly was produced. Dick Cheney has been angling for these memos to be published. Maybe he’s just trying to get the spotlight and garner some attention and the memos don’t really exist, maybe not.

        In the end, I agree with Defens. If you have a terrorist in the U.S. and you want to stop an imminent threat, then you need to use any means necessary to stop them. It’s the same reason that in times of war, the president can use executive powers to make decisions quickly to protect the nation.

        It is a tough call, though, and all the facts are definitely not in.

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  21. john

    Dfens, You cant say that Ron Paul is full of crap. First off maybe if you knew anything about the people that were tortured through waterboarding, sleep deprivation, etc. You would see that ABSOLUTELY NO USEFUL INFORMATION was obtained.

    Seriously who do you think these “enemies” are? They are people who’s lives have been destroyed, torn apart, because we bomb thier countries. We kill thousands and thousands of innocent women and children. You might call that “collateral damage”, but regardless of what you call it… In the end its just Blowback.

    You think putting these guys through sleep deprivation or waterboarding is going to get any useful information? be realistic

    Lets say the USA was a lot smaller, and for the past 5 or 10 years, its been getting bombed by Iraq. 1 day you come home from work and you realize your house got blown apart… But even worse your family was inside when it happened! Wouldnt you want revenge? You really think torture is going to Defer you from your goal of getting revenge? I think not.

    It doesnt work. End of story.

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  22. Matt

    “I thought you would torture me, and when you didn’t, I decided that everything I was told about Americans was wrong. That’s why I decided to cooperate.”

    Yes, that is ABSOLUTELY the most proven way to obtain information.

    Hysterical.

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  23. Dfens

    I guess this is the issue where Ron Paul proves he’s just like every other politician, full of crap. He’s never been in a war himself, but he’s all checked out on the “morality” of war. If you don’t believe it, he’s willing to blab about it all day long. And he’s so sure that his morality is superior to that of our troops in the field that he’s willing to enforce his morality on them at the point of a gun. This is a guy who won’t stand up to drug dealers because they might shoot back, but he’ll put our own military officers in jail for the horrific evil of “torture” in a heartbeat. He’ll even give a list of the names of those he deems responsible to our enemies and let them have a go at them. I guess that’s supposed to show us where the buck really stops, right Ron?

    And Ron, we get what you’re saying when you tell us that torture doesn’t really work. You’re saying that the only reason our military guys do it is because they enjoy it. We get it, and you’re full of crap. We’re fighting an enemy that didn’t sign the Geneva Convention, Ron. If they’re not going to sign it and they’re clearly not going to live by it, then it sucks to be them.

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    1. Justin Mckay

      Ron Paul is the champion of the Constitution which states in Amendment 8 “Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.” We want to live by the rule of law. You are the one that is full of crap.

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