Comments on: Ron Paul: Let’s have the courage to face the truth on torture http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-25/ron-paul-lets-have-the-courage-to-face-the-truth-on-torture/ Ron Paul is America's leading voice for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies. The Ron Paul Revolution continues. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:29:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: gangstalkinghttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-25/ron-paul-lets-have-the-courage-to-face-the-truth-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-73088 gangstalking Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:18:35 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2477#comment-73088 In regards to the Organized Gang Stalking comment, check out the Violent Person Registry. People are being put on lists without their knowledge and followed around. The Violent Person Registry is the U.K. version, but other countries have similar under community health and safely.Have a problem with an authority figure, employer, etc, you could be on a list. It goes with the Gang Stalking. In regards to the Organized Gang Stalking comment, check out the Violent Person Registry. People are being put on lists without their knowledge and followed around. The Violent Person Registry is the U.K. version, but other countries have similar under community health and safely.

Have a problem with an authority figure, employer, etc, you could be on a list. It goes with the Gang Stalking.

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]]> By: Justinhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-25/ron-paul-lets-have-the-courage-to-face-the-truth-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-58743 Justin Sun, 03 Jan 2010 02:46:01 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2477#comment-58743 Excellent writing Bonnie; - thank you!Justin, TI Ottawa, Canada. Excellent writing Bonnie; – thank you!

Justin, TI Ottawa, Canada.

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]]> By: Bonnie Calcagnohttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-25/ron-paul-lets-have-the-courage-to-face-the-truth-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-50853 Bonnie Calcagno Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:04:31 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2477#comment-50853 Please Congressman Paul, Look into the "torture" that is taking place right here at home with U.S. Surveillance Policy.Is COINTELPRO Back Using Organized Gang Stalking?Imagine what it is like to be stalked by 20, 30, or 40 people a day, to have one of them there when you leave your house in the morning, there when you come home at night. That is what organized gang stalking targets go through. They are stalked at intersections, in parks, in stores, as they walk along streets, as they enter or exit buildings, everywhere they go. Now imagine that this organized gang stalking happens not for one day or for a week or for a month, but for years. A target’s property might have trash thrown on it. There might be car alarms set off or beeping of horns if they try to take a walk, when the go to throw out the trash. There might be noise scheduled to disrupt their sleep. Neighbors might be enlisted to join in the harassment in an attempt to socially isolate the target. Dogs might be used to intimidate, running up to the target, or jumping out of car windows. There might be wrong numbers to the target’s phone, vehicles stopping and standing in front of the target’s home. What organized gang stalkers do is sensitize the target to a stimulus that all the gang stalkers use. The stimulus is often an everyday thing – for instance, the color “red.” The thing that makes the stimulus so aversive is the frequency with which it occurs. A group of 20 or 30 or 40 or more of organized gang stalkers might be involved in harassing the target, so the target is continuously harassed with the same stimulus but by different individuals. Every time the target enters or leaves his or her home, for instance, an organized gang stalker will be there with something red on. The target’s routines are ascertained. Neighbors – afraid of being gang stalked themselves – might alert the gang stalkers when the target is leaving his or her home. When the target walks on the beach, three or four gang stalkers wearing red might be there. When the target opens his or her blinds in the morning, the first thing he or she will see will be a gang stalker in red. It is the frequency of the stimulus and the duration of the gang stalking that makes it so aversive along with the isolation of the target. Some of the tactics used in gang stalking are similar to tactics used in the Counter Intelligence Program (COINTELPRO) used by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) between 1956 and 1971. Brian Glick, an attorney, tells us in his book, War at Home, the four main methods used by the FBI during COINTELPRO were psychological warfare, infiltration, harassment through the legal system, and extralegal force and violence. Just as neighbors today are solicited to join in gang stalking a target, back in the fifties and sixties, the FBI would pressure parents, employers, landlords. school officials and others in the life of targets to cause problems for them. Back then the FBI used dirty tricks to discredit targets, just as today in organized gang stalking misinformation about targets is spread. Brian Glick tells us the FBI used psychological warfare in their COINTELPRO program in the 50’s and 60’s against targets; today in organized gang stalking psychological tactics are used where ordinary everyday items are repetively used to create doublebinds. Open garage doors, lawn mowers left on front lawns are repetitively used by all the gang stalkers to attract the target’s notice where to notice and report such everything things makes the target sound crazy – the intent of the gang stalkers. In the 50’s and 60’s FBI agents would infiltrate groups pretending to be members; gang stalking targets today allege infiltration is taking place again with those feigning to be gang stalking targets making outrageous claims to create the impression targets are paranoid. Is COINTELPRO back? Let’s look at the facts. The Attorney General’s Guidelines released on May 30, 2002 rescinded anti-COINTELPRO regulations opening the door to further COINTELPRO operations. Allegations have been made that organized gang stalkers are using red cars, red trucks, wearing-carrying red. The FBI has used conspicuous surveillance before. Moreover, the Bush Administration wanted to get community groups such as the Neighborhood Watch Groups to play a broader role of surveillance in the War on Terror. Its Justice Department put forth the Terrorist Information and Prevention System, Operation TIPS, which planned to involve millions of workers nationwide as informants in the War on Terror. Through a Citizen Corp George Bush hoped to get Americans across the country engaged in homeland security. The Bill of Rights Defense Committee said the TIPS program would get citizens to “secretly provide information to the government about any persons whom they consider suspicious, and for the government to set up files on these persons.” The fear of the Bill of Rights Defense Committee was that doing that “may potentially damage someone’s record due to innocent activities that are misunderstood or are invented or enhanced by the caller because of a personal vendetta.” Under pressure from Congress the TIPS program was supposedly not put into effect. But it has been said a version of it was put into effect in secret. Regardless, a team of inspectors general in July, 2009 reported that the Bush administration did put into effect an unprecedented surveillance operation by executive order after the 9/11 attack. We don’t know what the surveillance programs were because they are classified. Representative Jane Harman expressed shock when she heard of these classified surveillance programs. Senator Patrick Leahy called for a nonpartisan inquiry into the government’s information-gathering programs. When in response to two Freedom of Information Act lawsuits the FBI published on its website its Domestic Investigations and Operations Guidelines, it deleted almost the entire section on the “undisclosed participation” by the FBI or its informants in domestic groups. So the question is who are the FBI’s informants in domestic groups? Is there a relationship between what it is trying to hide and the citizens with red cars, red trucks, wearing and carrying red who are part of the organized gang stalkers harassing American citizens. COINTELPRO in the 50’s and 60’s targeted members of the women’s rights movement, the National Lawyer’s Guild, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, groups protesting the Vietnam War, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People among others. The Church Committee concluded our government undertook government surveillance of people because of their political beliefs even when there was no threat of violence or criminal behavior on behalf of a foreign power. The American Civil Liberties Union tells us today Section 802 of the USA Patriot Act expanded the type of conduct the government can investigate when investigating terrorism. “The definition of domestic terrorism is broad enough to encompass the activities of several prominent activist campaigns and organizations.” The ACLU names Greenpeace, Operation Rescue, Vieques Island and WTO protestors and the Environmental Liberation Front” as having engaged in activities that could be branded domestic terrorism. While the right is complaining the label domestic terrorist is being attached to supporters of Ron Paul, Bob Barr, libertarians, those who have written about the constitution, Tea Party Activists and a host of others. Senator Feingold, the chairman of the Constitution Subcommittee of the Senate Judiciary Committee, before he even knew who would succeed George Bush, called on the incoming President “to pledge his commitment to restoring the rule of law” in America. In his Report Card on the First 100 Days of the Obama Administration he has given an “Incomplete” in every area of Obama’s record on Domestic Surveillance and Privacy: an incomplete on “declassifying info about implementation of controversial provisions of the Patriot Act,” an incomplete on “cooperate with a review of domestic intelligence activities and authorities,” an incomplete on “support legislative changes to the FISA Amendments Act,” an incomplete on “reconsider the new Attorney General Guidelines governing FBI investigations.” In testimony given to the Senate Committee On The Judiciary, Subcommittee On The Constitution, Civil Rights, And Property Rights, which Senator Feingold chairs – Frederick A.O. Schwarz, Jr., Senior Counsel at the Brennan Center for Justice in New York City, wrote “a bipartisan independent investigatory Commission should be established by the next Congress and President, first to determine what has gone wrong (and right) with our policies and practices in confronting terrorists since September 11, 2001, and then to recommend lasting solutions to address past mistakes.” Later in his testimony he wrote, “A Commission would serve several functions. It would reveal the many as-yet-unknown aspects of what our government has done and how it evaluated or rationalized its action. And there is much we do not know. We still do not know, for example, the legal justifications advanced for the so-called ‘extraordinary rendition’ or ‘terrorist surveillance’ programs. We do not know with sufficient detail who was responsible for advocating and implementing the troubling policies based on these legal opinions. Nor do we know whether there are other secret programs that have not yet been revealed. But, as former Attorney General Nicholas deB. Katzenbach and I have argued elsewhere, in a country whose government is premised on the rule of law, there is never a justification for keeping binding legal decisions secret.” The last COINTELPRO program was only made public when an FBI field office was burglarized by left-wing radicals and files there were passed to news agencies (many who wouldn’t publish the information). If organized gang stalking is the latest tactic being used in a new version of COINTELPRO with the same old objective of – neutralizing dissidents – how will we ever find out without a Commission to look into the classified surveillance programs started by George Bush and continued by Barach Obama as part of the War on Terror? Please Congressman Paul,
Look into the “torture” that is taking place right here at home with U.S. Surveillance Policy.

Is COINTELPRO Back Using Organized Gang Stalking?

Imagine what it is like to be stalked by 20, 30, or 40 people a day, to have one of them there when you leave your house in the morning, there when you come home at night. That is what organized gang stalking targets go through. They are stalked at intersections, in parks, in stores, as they walk along streets, as they enter or exit buildings, everywhere they go. Now imagine that this organized gang stalking happens not for one day or for a week or for a month, but for years.
A target’s property might have trash thrown on it. There might be car alarms set off or beeping of horns if they try to take a walk, when the go to throw out the trash. There might be noise scheduled to disrupt their sleep. Neighbors might be enlisted to join in the harassment in an attempt to socially isolate the target. Dogs might be used to intimidate, running up to the target, or jumping out of car windows. There might be wrong numbers to the target’s phone, vehicles stopping and standing in front of the target’s home.
What organized gang stalkers do is sensitize the target to a stimulus that all the gang stalkers use. The stimulus is often an everyday thing – for instance, the color “red.” The thing that makes the stimulus so aversive is the frequency with which it occurs. A group of 20 or 30 or 40 or more of organized gang stalkers might be involved in harassing the target, so the target is continuously harassed with the same stimulus but by different individuals. Every time the target enters or leaves his or her home, for instance, an organized gang stalker will be there with something red on. The target’s routines are ascertained. Neighbors – afraid of being gang stalked themselves – might alert the gang stalkers when the target is leaving his or her home. When the target walks on the beach, three or four gang stalkers wearing red might be there. When the target opens his or her blinds in the morning, the first thing he or she will see will be a gang stalker in red. It is the frequency of the stimulus and the duration of the gang stalking that makes it so aversive along with the isolation of the target.
Some of the tactics used in gang stalking are similar to tactics used in the Counter Intelligence Program (COINTELPRO) used by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) between 1956 and 1971. Brian Glick, an attorney, tells us in his book, War at Home, the four main methods used by the FBI during COINTELPRO were psychological warfare, infiltration, harassment through the legal system, and extralegal force and violence. Just as neighbors today are solicited to join in gang stalking a target, back in the fifties and sixties, the FBI would pressure parents, employers, landlords. school officials and others in the life of targets to cause problems for them. Back then the FBI used dirty tricks to discredit targets, just as today in organized gang stalking misinformation about targets is spread. Brian Glick tells us the FBI used psychological warfare in their COINTELPRO program in the 50’s and 60’s against targets; today in organized gang stalking psychological tactics are used where ordinary everyday items are repetively used to create doublebinds. Open garage doors, lawn mowers left on front lawns are repetitively used by all the gang stalkers to attract the target’s notice where to notice and report such everything things makes the target sound crazy – the intent of the gang stalkers. In the 50’s and 60’s FBI agents would infiltrate groups pretending to be members; gang stalking targets today allege infiltration is taking place again with those feigning to be gang stalking targets making outrageous claims to create the impression targets are paranoid.
Is COINTELPRO back? Let’s look at the facts. The Attorney General’s Guidelines released on May 30, 2002 rescinded anti-COINTELPRO regulations opening the door to further COINTELPRO operations. Allegations have been made that organized gang stalkers are using red cars, red trucks, wearing-carrying red. The FBI has used conspicuous surveillance before. Moreover, the Bush Administration wanted to get community groups such as the Neighborhood Watch Groups to play a broader role of surveillance in the War on Terror. Its Justice Department put forth the Terrorist Information and Prevention System, Operation TIPS, which planned to involve millions of workers nationwide as informants in the War on Terror. Through a Citizen Corp George Bush hoped to get Americans across the country engaged in homeland security. The Bill of Rights Defense Committee said the TIPS program would get citizens to “secretly provide information to the government about any persons whom they consider suspicious, and for the government to set up files on these persons.” The fear of the Bill of Rights Defense Committee was that doing that “may potentially damage someone’s record due to innocent activities that are misunderstood or are invented or enhanced by the caller because of a personal vendetta.” Under pressure from Congress the TIPS program was supposedly not put into effect. But it has been said a version of it was put into effect in secret. Regardless, a team of inspectors general in July, 2009 reported that the Bush administration did put into effect an unprecedented surveillance operation by executive order after the 9/11 attack. We don’t know what the surveillance programs were because they are classified. Representative Jane Harman expressed shock when she heard of these classified surveillance programs. Senator Patrick Leahy called for a nonpartisan inquiry into the government’s information-gathering programs. When in response to two Freedom of Information Act lawsuits the FBI published on its website its Domestic Investigations and Operations Guidelines, it deleted almost the entire section on the “undisclosed participation” by the FBI or its informants in domestic groups. So the question is who are the FBI’s informants in domestic groups? Is there a relationship between what it is trying to hide and the citizens with red cars, red trucks, wearing and carrying red who are part of the organized gang stalkers harassing American citizens.
COINTELPRO in the 50’s and 60’s targeted members of the women’s rights movement, the National Lawyer’s Guild, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, groups protesting the Vietnam War, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People among others. The Church Committee concluded our government undertook government surveillance of people because of their political beliefs even when there was no threat of violence or criminal behavior on behalf of a foreign power. The American Civil Liberties Union tells us today Section 802 of the USA Patriot Act expanded the type of conduct the government can investigate when investigating terrorism. “The definition of domestic terrorism is broad enough to encompass the activities of several prominent activist campaigns and organizations.” The ACLU names Greenpeace, Operation Rescue, Vieques Island and WTO protestors and the Environmental Liberation Front” as having engaged in activities that could be branded domestic terrorism. While the right is complaining the label domestic terrorist is being attached to supporters of Ron Paul, Bob Barr, libertarians, those who have written about the constitution, Tea Party Activists and a host of others.
Senator Feingold, the chairman of the Constitution Subcommittee of the Senate Judiciary Committee, before he even knew who would succeed George Bush, called on the incoming President “to pledge his commitment to restoring the rule of law” in America. In his Report Card on the First 100 Days of the Obama Administration he has given an “Incomplete” in every area of Obama’s record on Domestic Surveillance and Privacy: an incomplete on “declassifying info about implementation of controversial provisions of the Patriot Act,” an incomplete on “cooperate with a review of domestic intelligence activities and authorities,” an incomplete on “support legislative changes to the FISA Amendments Act,” an incomplete on “reconsider the new Attorney General Guidelines governing FBI investigations.” In testimony given to the Senate Committee On The Judiciary, Subcommittee On The Constitution, Civil Rights, And Property Rights, which Senator Feingold chairs – Frederick A.O. Schwarz, Jr., Senior Counsel at the Brennan Center for Justice in New York City, wrote “a bipartisan independent investigatory Commission should be established by the next Congress and President, first to determine what has gone wrong (and right) with our policies and practices in confronting terrorists since September 11, 2001, and then to recommend lasting solutions to address past mistakes.” Later in his testimony he wrote, “A Commission would serve several functions. It would reveal the many as-yet-unknown aspects of what our government has done and how it evaluated or rationalized its action. And there is much we do not know. We still do not know, for example, the legal justifications advanced for the so-called ‘extraordinary rendition’ or ‘terrorist surveillance’ programs. We do not know with sufficient detail who was responsible for advocating and implementing the troubling policies based on these legal opinions. Nor do we know whether there are other secret programs that have not yet been revealed. But, as former Attorney General Nicholas deB. Katzenbach and I have argued elsewhere, in a country whose government is premised on the rule of law, there is never a justification for keeping binding legal decisions secret.”
The last COINTELPRO program was only made public when an FBI field office was burglarized by left-wing radicals and files there were passed to news agencies (many who wouldn’t publish the information). If organized gang stalking is the latest tactic being used in a new version of COINTELPRO with the same old objective of – neutralizing dissidents – how will we ever find out without a Commission to look into the classified surveillance programs started by George Bush and continued by Barach Obama as part of the War on Terror?

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]]> By: christinehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-25/ron-paul-lets-have-the-courage-to-face-the-truth-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-32657 christine Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:48:28 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2477#comment-32657 Complaint to stop enforced vaccinations in Washington Statehttp://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=352%3Acomplaint-to-stop-enforced-vaccinations-in-washington-state&catid=1%3Alatest-news&lang=enYEAH!! You can file a case as well to stop the mandatory vaccinations of our citizens! She says it’s easy. Instructions below.http://www.theflucase.com http://www.bird666.wordpress.comA Guide to Filing for an Injunction in a Statehttp://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=351%3Aa-guide-to-filing-an-injunction-in-a-state&catid=1%3Alatest-news&lang=enThe Sates are to uphold our constitutional rights!! Liberty, not Tyranny! File a complaint in your state! End this senseless terror inside our country!Power is in the hands of the people! ...in the constitution. Complaint to stop enforced vaccinations in Washington State

http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=352%3Acomplaint-to-stop-enforced-vaccinations-in-washington-state&catid=1%3Alatest-news&lang=en

YEAH!! You can file a case as well to stop the mandatory vaccinations of our citizens! She says it’s easy. Instructions below.

http://www.theflucase.com
http://www.bird666.wordpress.com

A Guide to Filing for an Injunction in a State

http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=351%3Aa-guide-to-filing-an-injunction-in-a-state&catid=1%3Alatest-news&lang=en

The Sates are to uphold our constitutional rights!!
Liberty, not Tyranny! File a complaint in your state!
End this senseless terror inside our country!

Power is in the hands of the people! …in the constitution.

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]]> By: christinehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-25/ron-paul-lets-have-the-courage-to-face-the-truth-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-32337 christine Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:01:25 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2477#comment-32337 I strongly suggest that everyone get educated and pay attention to what is happening concerning the upcoming government-controlled, mass, forced flu vaccination plan. We only have a couple of months before we will be hit with something larger than any other issue. This is designed to change our country, the world as we know it.Much has already been posted on the several "Health" sections of this forum. Please check out the information, especially more towards the bottom of the entries.For anyone who is working towards preserving our liberty, freedom from tyranny...check out the agenda (there's always an agenda) from the Swine Flu Conference held in Washington D.C., especially #2 & #6http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/32605.html http://www.new-fields.com/ISFC/brochure.pdfJane Bergermeister has filed a criminal indictment against the World Health Organization (WHO) and Obama due to the evidence she has about contaminated flu vaccines being distributed for mass depopulation. Know her story, her case.<b>Important Websites to Keep Informed</b> http://birdflu666.wordpress.com http://theflucase.com I strongly suggest that everyone get educated and pay attention to what is happening concerning the upcoming government-controlled, mass, forced flu vaccination plan. We only have a couple of months before we will be hit with something larger than any other issue. This is designed to change our country, the world as we know it.

Much has already been posted on the several “Health” sections of this forum. Please check out the information, especially more towards the bottom of the entries.

For anyone who is working towards preserving our liberty, freedom from tyranny…check out the agenda (there’s always an agenda) from the Swine Flu Conference held in Washington D.C., especially #2 & #6

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/32605.html
http://www.new-fields.com/ISFC/brochure.pdf

Jane Bergermeister has filed a criminal indictment against the World Health Organization (WHO) and Obama due to the evidence she has about contaminated flu vaccines being distributed for mass depopulation. Know her story, her case.

Important Websites to Keep Informed
http://birdflu666.wordpress.com
http://theflucase.com

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]]> By: Angiehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-25/ron-paul-lets-have-the-courage-to-face-the-truth-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-31382 Angie Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:54:36 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2477#comment-31382 My brother, a Sgt in the Marines, has been put through extensive training and gone through torture for information himself. And like the soldier he was trained to be, he didn't crack.Rather than trying to cooperate with these terrorists, or torture them, we need to be protecting our own people. Not every man or terrorist is the same, and not every method will work on them the same. My brother, a Sgt in the Marines, has been put through extensive training and gone through torture for information himself. And like the soldier he was trained to be, he didn’t crack.

Rather than trying to cooperate with these terrorists, or torture them, we need to be protecting our own people. Not every man or terrorist is the same, and not every method will work on them the same.

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]]> By: Vinniehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-25/ron-paul-lets-have-the-courage-to-face-the-truth-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-20272 Vinnie Sun, 31 May 2009 00:27:40 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2477#comment-20272 I don't think that you can say "torture doesn't produce useful information" until the facts are in as to what exactly was produced. Dick Cheney has been angling for these memos to be published. Maybe he's just trying to get the spotlight and garner some attention and the memos don't really exist, maybe not.In the end, I agree with Defens. If you have a terrorist in the U.S. and you want to stop an imminent threat, then you need to use any means necessary to stop them. It's the same reason that in times of war, the president can use executive powers to make decisions quickly to protect the nation.It is a tough call, though, and all the facts are definitely not in. I don’t think that you can say “torture doesn’t produce useful information” until the facts are in as to what exactly was produced. Dick Cheney has been angling for these memos to be published. Maybe he’s just trying to get the spotlight and garner some attention and the memos don’t really exist, maybe not.

In the end, I agree with Defens. If you have a terrorist in the U.S. and you want to stop an imminent threat, then you need to use any means necessary to stop them. It’s the same reason that in times of war, the president can use executive powers to make decisions quickly to protect the nation.

It is a tough call, though, and all the facts are definitely not in.

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]]> By: BDM1942http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-25/ron-paul-lets-have-the-courage-to-face-the-truth-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-20175 BDM1942 Fri, 29 May 2009 07:39:51 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2477#comment-20175 Dfens reminds me of the Japanese officers in the Phillipines, Spring of '42. Dfens reminds me of the Japanese officers in the Phillipines, Spring of ‘42.

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]]> By: johnhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-25/ron-paul-lets-have-the-courage-to-face-the-truth-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-20140 john Thu, 28 May 2009 18:07:26 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2477#comment-20140 Ok genious.. Bob Baer? The guy on on the Bill Maher show? From what i understand the guy who you have saying torture DOES work is Dick Chenney? WOW the guy who authorized it.... REAL SMART. Stop hearing what you want to hear you imbecile.Bob Baer, a former CIA officer visits the set of Real Time with Bill Maher and explains why torture doesn’t work and why waterboarding is torture. Baer also notes that we haven’t even seen the worst of what happened because there are ninety two CIA cases that were destroyed because what was in them was so horrific.Their you have it moron, a CIA officer/operative even states it doesnt work. Im sure the reasons are too complex for a hillbilly like you to understand though. Just because you would squeel like a girl if someone twisted your arm, it doesnt mean these "terrorists" would ok?. Be realistic and listen to what other people are saying. Ok genious.. Bob Baer? The guy on on the Bill Maher show? From what i understand the guy who you have saying torture DOES work is Dick Chenney? WOW the guy who authorized it…. REAL SMART. Stop hearing what you want to hear you imbecile.

Bob Baer, a former CIA officer visits the set of Real Time with Bill Maher and explains why torture doesn’t work and why waterboarding is torture. Baer also notes that we haven’t even seen the worst of what happened because there are ninety two CIA cases that were destroyed because what was in them was so horrific.

Their you have it moron, a CIA officer/operative even states it doesnt work. Im sure the reasons are too complex for a hillbilly like you to understand though. Just because you would squeel like a girl if someone twisted your arm, it doesnt mean these “terrorists” would ok?. Be realistic and listen to
what other people are saying.

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]]> By: Dfenshttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-05-25/ron-paul-lets-have-the-courage-to-face-the-truth-on-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-20118 Dfens Thu, 28 May 2009 12:05:31 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=2477#comment-20118 More talking out of your ass! Have you ever tortured anyone? We are told by those who have tortured these terrorist bastards whose rights you are so worried about that these techniques work just fine. Who should I believe those who have done it, or some dumbass off the street? Or Ron Paul? They teach our pilots that they will be tortured by the enemy and that they will break and tell everything they know. All of our military and intelligence agencies operate from the assumption that prisoners will be broken by torture within a week or so of capture, but you know better than all of them? You don't know spit. Neither does Ron Paul. This is all nothing more than hypocrisy. A bunch of flaccid wimps imposing their morality on others while sitting back in their easy chairs and demanding protection of their "rights". More talking out of your ass! Have you ever tortured anyone? We are told by those who have tortured these terrorist bastards whose rights you are so worried about that these techniques work just fine. Who should I believe those who have done it, or some dumbass off the street? Or Ron Paul? They teach our pilots that they will be tortured by the enemy and that they will break and tell everything they know. All of our military and intelligence agencies operate from the assumption that prisoners will be broken by torture within a week or so of capture, but you know better than all of them? You don’t know spit. Neither does Ron Paul. This is all nothing more than hypocrisy. A bunch of flaccid wimps imposing their morality on others while sitting back in their easy chairs and demanding protection of their “rights”.

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