Ron Paul 2012: Who should be Ron Paul’s running mate?
Ron Paul hasn’t announced a decision yet whether he is going to run for President in 2012. If he runs, who should he choose as his running mate?
You can select up to 5 answers below.
If Ron Paul runs for President in 2012, who should be his running mate?
- Peter Schiff (29%, 795 Votes)
- Jesse Ventura (21%, 569 Votes)
- Dennis Kucinich (18%, 503 Votes)
- Mike Huckabee (12%, 339 Votes)
- Rand Paul (12%, 338 Votes)
- Sarah Palin (11%, 300 Votes)
- Mitt Romney (11%, 288 Votes)
- Chuck Baldwin (9%, 259 Votes)
- Other (specify below) (7%, 204 Votes)
- Jim DeMint (7%, 194 Votes)
- Pat Buchanan (7%, 187 Votes)
- Lou Dobbs (6%, 173 Votes)
- Wayne Allyn Root (6%, 164 Votes)
- Michael Bloomberg (6%, 152 Votes)
- Gary Johnson (4%, 106 Votes)
- Mark Sanford (2%, 65 Votes)
- John McCain (1%, 40 Votes)
Total Voters: 2,739
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come on i read alot of the quotes and i didnt see anyone mention Bob Barr ( the person who should have won in 08 )
I would like to see John Bolton as a running mate with Dr. Ron. Good second choices as mentioned, Michelle Bachman or Judge Napolitano.
Jesse Ventura MAY have been a good choice years ago, but he seems to get crazier with age. Besides, now he has this ” conspiracy ” tv show that will make him political poison. How in the hell did Huckabee, Romney or Palin get such high numbers?!?!?! You people HAVE read our platform, no? Schiff would be great, in my opinion. I also would support Kucinich for the role. He shares many of our foreign policy views, as well as our civil liberty platform. He’s a big spender, but as vice president, he would have no power to push that agenda. He and the good doctor are already good friends and have discussions all the time. I believe the relationship would be the same with him as VP. All in all, for the sake of an interesting ticket that would draw votes, I pick Dennis.
Why is that Kucinich freak even one of the choices? Ridiculous!! I thought we are about limited constitutional government and individual rights. Kucinich is a liberal big government socialist Obamaphile, very proud of being a democrat. Huckabee and Romney are neocon establishement republicans who mocked, ridiculed, and laughed at Dr. Paul during the debates last year. Ventura is for open borders, which we have now, which has allowed for our border states to be flooded with foreign criminals and gangsters. His fame and fortune are from staging fake violence. What kind of character does that? I’ll bet that none of you even knows Ventura’s stand on the majority of important issues. All of the above received more votes than Chuck Baldwin who has been a loyal and hard-working supporter of Ron Paul, and the revolution from the beginning. This is the man who recieved Dr. Paul’s endorsement last year. These other people you are voting for are from outside the movement, and have very little to do with what we are supposed to be fighting for. I don’t get it. I think you people have very little understanding of what Ron Paul is actually about, or else you are totally out of your minds.
[...] of our voters expressing their desire for him to be Ron Paul’s VP in 2012 (up from 9% in our June poll). Judge Andrew Napolitano, who wasn’t included in the last poll, had been an early favorite [...]
Why is John “Juan Hernandez” McAmnesty still on this poll? He couldn’t even get a majority of his own people, the Republican party, like Ron Paul did.
I am a Vet, and as we know, McAmnesty isn’t as popular as Paul with the Vet’s.
Yes, we all greatly respect John McCain for his military service, but we all have to continue to fight, for what is right, now just in the past, but present, and future also.
Do we want someone as liberal as McAmnesty or do we want someone who is better suited, more educated, and a stronger candidate running; who puts God, Our Country, Our Constitution, Our Laws, Our People, etc.. first before greedy politicians on Both Parties??
Heck, even Fox News’s own mouth piece (For Globalist/ Open Borders, Ruppert Murdock), Sean Hannity, claimed that his (Hannity’s) own polls were wrong when Paul was winning debates and breaking, fund raising records!!!!!
Is that right Sean, your own polls were wrong? The only people that were calling in for Paul were crazy, lunatics, (other blashphemous words), etc…. , really Sean, we Military are crazy, lunatics, etc..???
Sad when you find out, according to the IRS, that most of Pauls financial support came from the US Military. Yes the same US Military Hannity called crazy, lunatics, etc… really Sean?
The same crazy, nutjobs, etc.. that are dying for this country, because we want a better America???
Actually, Paul had more money from the US Military, than all the other candidates combined, even McCain.???
God Bless Ron Paul, my fellow brothers and sisters in the US Military, and of course, America.
Joe Lieberman….he thinks just right…radical enough to stand for himself. Schiff, Perot, Any Dem with guts enough to break ranks. Any Libertarian.
I like everything Ron Paul stands for. I believe he should run on the American First Party. I don’t think he has a chance with the Republican Party because I believe they are so corrupt as are the Democrats and are beyond reforming. I would hate to see him waste all of the built up energy and money and be treated the same way as last time by the Republican party. We need to make this run count and win. Our country is in peril and we can’t miss or we lose our country forever.
To even consider Palin walking the streets, never mind running the country is SCARY. She turns my stomach every time she opens her mouth, and I although I’m an avid reader, I wouldn’t read her book if it was the only book left on earth. Mr. Paul is much too smart to even be in the same picture as her. Palin is the anti-Christ! Just watch her, listen to her, and you can almost see the horns coming out of her head. lol.
Go Ron Paul, GO! FREEDOM in 2012!
I really LIKE Jesse Ventura and SOME of his viewpoints, but believe me, you don’t want him as a running mate. After being under his governorship, he made a few good decisions, but a number of them were just not well thought out, and toward the end of his term, he really showed a great deal of instability when the press turned on him, as the press will do. He can be a loose cannon. Actually, I found it quite amusing that his name was so high up on the list!
Peter Schiff, Chuck Baldwin or Rand Paul is the best bet because they have the most similar political views. Jesse Ventura is pro-abortion so I don’t think Paul would pick him. Baldwin would probably solidify winning the Florida electorate, so he would be the better pick. Kucinich only has the same Foreign Policy views and almost everyone else on the list is a neo-con so there is no way they would even be considered.
I agree with Tony
Judge Napolitano would be a perfect choice and maybe with him on the ticket Fox News would be more fair towards his coverage
Gary Johnson would be my 2nd choice
A lot of great choices!!!
Here’s my thoughts (Knowing in reality, maybe not always feasible, but Ron Paul isn’t mainstream / go with the flow type of person.)
Either:
Peter Schiff – actually has a “clue” about the economy. I hope he makes senate in CT. Go Peter!
Jesse Ventura – no nonsense guy that has the political career to back it up.
Dennis Kucinich – that would incredible!
Rand Paul – clever, very clever…love the family bond concept! I sure hope he makes senate in KY. Go Rand!!!
Chuck Baldwin – voted for him in 2008!
Lou Dobbs – definitely would get good media coverage.
How about Alan Grayson?
I say Ron Paul picks one of the above and brings the rest of the guys on as part of his cabinet if he is elected. Now that would be real “Hope” and “Change”.
all of you that thinks paul should run with kucinich are retarded that will never fly with the republican party he needs to run with a STRONG conservative. running with that dunce would be like hanging yourself it would never happen. Palin all the way and i dont care what any of you have to say because she is an extremely strong conservative.
Anyone suggesting Sarah Palin or Mike Huckabee are seriously out of touch. Ron Paul is about the constitution. Huckabee wanted to have America obide by the bible which is EXTREMELY unconstitutional…ya know, the book that says if you work on Sunday you should be killed, dont touch the skin of a pig (football, bacon) you go straight to hell, gives you a good price for a slave etc, completely irrational. Yes Huckabee would bring in the evangelicals but his policies and idealogy are inconsistant with Pauls.
Anyway, Paul should DEFINATELY run in 2012
One Ben to another, Ben… Here is what I think Dr Paul’s running was all about, and would be if he were to run again in ‘12…
Of course, his bill calling for the audit of the FR has received wide(er)-spread publicity and has wide-spread support in Congress. So I have to wonder if Dr. Paul’s running for president wasn’t more for the purpose of drawing attention to it.
All I know is that prior to his running for the presidency, I didn’t know that he existed, and wouldn’t have known to look for him among the den of vipers that is our Congress. Therefore, I wouldn’t have known about his bill, and thus written my reps urging them to look into and support it. IF that was his plan all along, he’s not only a very smart man, but another run would probably see a further gain of support to audit and, possibly, then do away with the FR altogether.
Of course, if he were to win, great. But that needn’t be the case. That said, his choice of running partners would still very much matter; he should avoid both wings like the plague; who would want to support something viewed as religious right-wing legislation or left-wing anti free-enterprise (though neither assessments are true, people would think so)?
So win or lose, Ventura would probably be his best choice because he has the experience of holding a higher office, and more people than not know who he is and what he stands for. Schiff would probably best serve in the House, for the state he plans to run in (CT), while my recommendation earlier (Jake Towne) in the state of PA. Change needs to be built from the ground up, and with two more in the House of Represenative that aren’t of the status quo, all for the better in advancing this much-needed change!
Dear ben.You may want to reread the bible before you go spouting off nonsense.You also misunderstand seperation of church and state.Not only was it to prevent state sponsored religion.But it was also put in place to insure youthat you could worship and believe freely and how you see fit(pretty sure that includes hackabee). Not saying huckabee should be his running mate,schiff should be, but. christians are often tagged as intolerant but you sound way more intolerant than most christians I know.Don’t be a hypocrite.
Ben: Mr Huckabee was very complimentary of Mr. Paul in his book “Do the Right Thing”. I suggest you read it. Have you ever read the Bible? I suggest you read it also. You might learn something! Mike Huckabee, Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee are very close in ideologies actually! I agree with Dustinbagz333 and Not Kucinic.
Ron Paul / Pat Buchanan.
.or.
Ron Paul / Dennis Kucinich.
For those still considering Palin to be a viable running mate, I submit this in opposition.
Palin endorses NWO Perry for re-election.
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/region/legislature/stories/02/04/0204palin.html
Michael Badnarik or Judge Andrew Napolitano.
I think his running mate should be Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn from District 7 in Tennessee. http://blackburn.house.gov/
Ron Paul needs to run for president and have someone as openminded as he his as his running mate, I didnt even vote in 2008 because I dont want to feel partly responsable for helping make the next mistake (someone like G.W. Bush) of America. I also didnt know someone like Ron Paul was even running but he’s got my vote 2012 wether he runs or (please do!) or not. We as a country need someone like Ron Paul who is not corrupted by politics and will Revive the constitution. Ventura as a running mate and I think Ron’s got a strong campaign going. I will help spread the word here in Iowa. I really respect Ron Pauls open mind on many opionions and not being so self-centered and just plain ignorent as most politions are. Keep doing what your doing all I can say to maybe help is advertise alot more when the time comes. Defend our constitution!
!!!!RON PAUL 2012!!!!
He should run with Judge Andrew Napolitano. Napolitano is not only a great speaker who can(and has) articulated libertarianism to the mainstream audience(ie, neoconservatives and progressives), but also has a clear and consistent interpretation of the constitution.
I would say: Paul/Ventura.
Ventura has the strongest character, has an amplifying presence, is openminded, is widely known, a proven winner, was a governor, a proven Independent, an powerful debater, can put anybody in their place by using truth and reason; it would be almost impossible to ignore Ventura as a “nobody”, so he would be the greatest complimenting candidate for Ron Paul.
Schiff — although I would vote for him in a heartbeat — is too unknown at this point; vetting him during the election would become a distraction.
Save Schiff for a later race.
Mike Huckabee would be his best choice as Ron could expand his message to a big block of voters that Mike Huckabee represents. I think that this block has’t heard the message yet and once they did would be very supportive.
Palin Steps Down
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102974
It didn’t allow me to specify my suggestion for “other”, so I will do so here.
I would say Jake Towne, a libertarian’s libertarian and a gold bug’s gold bug from PA. He is running for Congress in that state and you can learn about him here…
http://www.nolanchart.com/author481.html
Peter Schiff wouldn’t be a bad choice, though. As for the rest… please… McCain, Palin, Romney, Huckabee…?! You gotta be kidding me! Jesse Ventura… I like him, but I can’t picture too many voters being behind him, and thus Ron Paul if this were going to happen.
As for the rest, at best I only know their names but for the most part I know nothing of them, so I can’t say one way or the other. Does anyone know for certain who would run as VP in another Ron Paul run for the presidency?
I agree totally ….As for the rest… please… McCain, Palin, Romney, Huckabee…?! You gotta be kidding me! Jesse Ventura… I like him, but I can’t picture too many voters being behind him, and thus Ron Paul if this were going to happen.
Dennis kucinich, jesse ventura or peter schiff.
Joe Lieberman
WALTER BLOCK!
I must say my “other” would be not Sara Palin, But would be Michele Bachmann.
Put those two in a room to debate and you will see who shines.
I’m with you, Peter. I was going to name her in the “other” category.
She lives with controversy, and a huge hate crowd, but I’ve heard her speak on a couple of occasions (one being with Dr. Paul) and she is dead on.
Wayne Root’s hero is Ron Paul as with so many other freedom loving americans.
Ron is full of wisdom, but Root can take the fire balls that the news networks throw at him. Having Root go out on news shows and promote RP with great success. Ron has a tendancy to have the deer in the headlights look when hit hard by the pros on news networks.
Ron Paul I just love him. I say Root would be his best assect for when the fireballs start hitting all around.
Root is becoming very well known around the country. He is becoming the Ross Perot of the day.
Paul/Root 2012
Yea, Root has energy, a lot of energy. He has never held a public office which is both a plus and minus. One of his greatest assets is that he has been a net tax producer his whole life. That is something that Ron Paul really respects.
ron paul my only true hero really have to wait and see what we have to work with when the time is here but out of the list #1 trusted would be his son rand paul the funnest pick is peter. not on the list would be judge nap,lew rockwell,mybe ross perot,granholm gov of michigan.
Penn Jillette!!!!
yes
Dennis Kucinich? Are you serious? That would be the absolute end. I want Ron Paul to run again, but I would not vote for him if Kucinich was on the ballot.
Walter Williams
James Bovard.
Robert Prechter and Mike “Mish” Shedlock should be on this list…i do not see anyone qualified to make extremely difficult economic and social decisions…other than Ron Paul on the list. Both have understood, predicted and called nearly every turn in our collapsing economy. Both support and deeply understand the concepts behind and need for elimination of the Fed,..currency that is not Debt and elimination of fraction reserve lending all of which have landed us where we are today.
certainly Peter Schiff with market observations so misguided that he lost over 65% last year – despite being right about the banking industry and equity markets is clearly unqualified to understand free market dynamics properly…as Dr. Ron Paul does. However Robert Prchter and Mike “Mish” Schedlock clearly do understand what is going on and have demonstrated vision and clarity aswell as made fortuitous recommendations.
Robert Prchter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socionomics
Mike “Mish” Shedlock: http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/
one other writing could be Dr. Robert McHugh who made significant efforts to get productive use of stimulus money and economic policy in meeting with the washington hob nobbers and presentations to congress:
https://www.technicalindicatorindex.com/about-us.asp
Another Sitka advertisement?
Dr. Paul chose Mr. Schiff as his economic adviser during his presidential run. You’re barking up the wrong tree with that balderdash.
Show some evidence for your statement about Mr. Schiff losing 65% last year.
I’ve done well following his advice for more than 8 years and expect to do well over the next few years. Not going to fret over an eight month blip. Long term is the maxim.
You might want to compare Schiff’s record, over the last decade, to either one of your Dynamic Duo.
Send a check to RonPaul.com for the advertising you ‘attempted’ on their site.
Pathetic.
what i find troubling is that your response is absolutely without any factual research. I work in the securities financial business. Most investors do not follow invested protocol as planned…or follow advice selectively and as agrees with their opinion. This is both the reason that some will make but most will lose money no matter the advice they get and from whom. However, since you insist. I have NEVER seen more off base economic analysis that peter Shiff’s. Hyperinflation is simply not possible if you understand the true definition of inflation and deflation. (Deflation: A contraction in the volume of money and credit relative to available goods) Falling prices are a consequence and symptom of deflation and are not deflation itself. Deflationary condition are caused by debt destruction, bankruptcy, banking contraction and other general le-leveraging. Peter Schiff believes still to this day (or at least he says he does) that the dollar is going to get killed. That the world will be decoupled and as china and europe wag the american dog. I put it rather bluntly…Decoupling did not work. China collapsed along with the US…worse actually. Europe too. How about proposing some money management guidelines or hedges – no its better to be a hero ad be right about the call of a life-time trade. Well. Peter Schiff was right about one thing and one thing only the collapse of the US debt engine and the stock market. But he positioned people long major markets and currencies with no hedge against failure. BTW many of the markets that he went long have been down over 50% many much more. Additionally to all this he shorted the dollar. I wish him luck with that strategy. It will work about as well for him as it did in the past. But Peter published books and articles and built his whole reputation on the views about hyper-inflation and the dollar collapse. He CAN’T change it now. He has to be the HERO. but he will be wrong and prove himself to be a charlatan…as he has done for the last several years. Being prescient about one call and wrong about all the other while not taking any evasive action is simply one thing – advice of a charlatan.
Will the dollar collapse – yes. But after Peter Schiff and the many others in the extremely crowded and (overly obvious) hyper-inflation trade. so in 2013 to 2014 – will be a timing window for the collapse of the dollar. The Euro will most likely be gone well before the dollar implodes…but i forgot Peter is long that. What’s his basis? He has not basis…its just an opinion and more importantly a hope and worse a prayer.
Peter Schiff’s portfolio coming right up:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nSTO-vZpSgc/SXuj9sc6cDI/AAAAAAAAFfk/lzLgjUQC7NQ/s1600-h/schiff-portfolio.png
and more detail here:
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/01/peter-schiff-was-wrong.html
I would not trust Peter to run the economy on a hope or a prayer and i would never give any of my or my investors money to run. I would love to give money to Prechter to run but he won’t do that. And I am am happy to give money to sitka.
Good luck in your trade and next time you attempt to berate someone for being factually incorrect you compare the records of the aforementioned to the facts…in my case everyone of these guys has been more prescient and correct and performed better with their portfolio management by about 248% that Schiff. In comparison Schiff does nto even know the facts and worse he will take down a lot more people with him.
You didn’t need 600+ words to say ‘Neo-Keynesian’.
Clicked on the first link:
It is a copy of one individual’s activity. One individual client that took his own decision about how to weight his portfolio, just like I do.
Clicked on the second link:
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Sell your wares elsewhere. If you want to be a stooge for the crowd that wants to ‘Get Schiff’ because he has proven the Keynesians wrong, again and again, do it somewhere else. You have no friends here.
Can’t shake a Schiff
you are a fool…your misguided beliefs will hopefully deliver results for you…keynesian economics is the problem and for you to interpret my comments or prechter or shedlock in that does not paint a good picture of your intellect or motivations…
get a life…and try not to lose you mind and money…no matter how difficult that is for you
Tisk Tisk
Read your own argument, every 90 days for the next two years, and watch it wither.
Call yourself philosophy whatever you want. Doesn’t matter.
my hit rate for trading is above 80% profitable trades…better than Schiff and 99% of market analysts – so don’t worry about me. What i worry about is having an economic advisor who has been as wrong as schiff making economic decisions…though i must say anyone would be better than the dunces we have in power today. Nouriel Rubini would be much better than schiff…and was a name i was debating of putting on the list.
good luck i hope schiff can come through for you…if your imagination is as good as i think it is after reading the documentation proving schiff’s total disaster the last two years…then be my guest – continue to believe in the guy. But schiff is not and should not be on any ron paul ticket – there are a lot more knowledgeable and humble people out there – i mentioned a few…and they not I are keynsians.
uh huh
Schiff and Paul walk lockstep in essentially all economic concerns.
When you say “I would not trust Peter to run the economy”, it exposes you as an interventionist/Socialist/Keynesian. The most important thing to recognize is that NO ONE should be trusted to run the economy because no one CAN run the economy. Like running to the Moon, it is an impossible task and destined to failure.
you know what’s funny is that your statement is so ludicrous that its not even funny…One of the things i love about ron paul is that he is understanding, intentions and efforts are in the right place…and when he sees that those efforts and intentions need to adapt he does so with intergity and honesty.
Two years ago Peter Schiff’s story sounded much more plausible than it actually was. The collapse of the dollar will happen…as Dr. Paul has been saying…but it will likely happen after a dramatic period of doallr strength – most likely more than most than most are anticipating for reasons that are not explainable in this blog post. After this dollar strength, the result in the end will be what dr paul is expecting – the dramatic devaluation of the dollar reserve system.
I agree no one should run the economy, no one should interfere with the currency or the markets. However if you have to have people administrating the process of getting us there…they should be able to be impartial, objective and have a good understanding of free markets – suggesting that Because i propose some of the most free market thinkers in the world as choices for the ron paul ticket makes me interventionist/socialist or keynsian only serves to demonstrate the socionomic anomalies with with people make judgements and decisions. You are wrong on all accounts except that no one should interfere with the economy. If some has to influence that process it should not be a charlatan who has clearly demonstrated limited understanding of the recent economic and market conditions and irresponsible advisement as Peter Schiff has done.
Meh. I guess I misread your sloppy language. If your for free markets and against government control/manipulation/intervention we pretty much have nothing to talk about.
Nate doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He thinks everything is black and white. If austrian’s don’t explain something out word for word than he doesn’t understand it.
I think you confused him when you said something good about free markets and bad about peter schiff.
How about Ross Perot for a running mate? I wouldn’t trust a baby boomer for common sense let alone economic sense. I chose Peter Schiff for my answer. But Ross Perot would be my “other” choice.
Where is Perot now when we need him?
Ross Perot is discouraged, because when he was honest about the USA’s predicament he was pretty much assassinated by the MSM and the political class. Isn’t that what happens to those who march outside of the mainstream and are willing to tell the simple truth. They must be destroyed at all costs. Just look at how the GOP and the so called “conservatives” treated Ron Paul.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.”
Paul & Michael Badnarik
We need contitutionalist.
Kucinich is a socialist. Ventura couldn’t say one critical word about the current administration when he had a chance to do so on the Larry King show (he was just selling his book.. awful..)I can’t stand Palins look.
I saw that and it was sad when he could have used the time much better.
Michael Badnarik wouldn’t be a bad choice either, he ran as a Libertarian a few years back. His site… http://www.ConstitutionPreservation.org/
What about Bruce Fein?
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Paul Ryan from Wisc. He would be detrimental to a Ron Paul election. I believe these two would make a wonderful team for all Americans. Well by all I do mean the ones who still love our country, service men, and believe the constitution is all the government we need.
I’d let Ron Paul decide who would be his running mate. He knows what needs to be done. And who can work with him to do it.
I dont care what you believe but the second you bring it up in political conversation it disqualifies you.
I want you to follow the rule of law….not lobby for jesus or buddah….I consider them special interest groups.
When we are on your blog, we’ll remember your rules.
Thx 4 Theheadsup
oh is it your blog?
Did you lose another memo?
must have missed that memo….I thought we were all fighting for our civil liberties this includes freedom of speech….even if its speech that otherwise goes against imaginary sky friends and cool-aid drinking creationists.we need a strict constitutionalist in the house and all im saying if they use religion as a defining character element then they shouldnt be considrered. Ron may be religious but hes not using it to sell himself.
Hmmmm….
You say ‘all fighting for our civil liberties’ as a means of inclusion, then you follow it by trashing most of posters here.
Division, it’s a funny game.
Just deal with real issues,,,religion should be kept to yourself it has no bearing on what is trying to be accomplished,in fact it is detremental to the cause.And Im sure Ron realizes this fact and will select someone with the common sense to stick to the real issues.
So, No God in public life?
Getagrip Mr. Valley, we’ll speak in the terms that we choose, as will you.
It’s a public forum here. Not a Dan Valley forum.
God Bless
Dan: When you are asked about your faith should you deny it? I believe Peter did that 3 times! Well, I’m sure that a real leader will not mind expressing his views on religion although I don’t think that whether a person believes in creation or that our descendants are primates makes any difference in a person’s ability to govern, do you? If Ron Paul said he believed in creation would it make him a Kool-aid drinking wacko? I think not!!!!!!!!!
If he is a creationist …. i didnt know until now, so as Ive said hes not using it to sell himself. Hes promising to follow the constitution and thats all I care about.
As a side note these people have the exact same idea as creaionists..do you think they are wacko?
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Now which part was ‘exactly like creationism’?
hey VR…its all nonsense and disfunction…why cant we believe in what we can do and what science shows us…this so called intelligent design cannot be put thru rigor it relies on a blind belief not science.Take responsibility for yourself and look to how you can improve the human experiment that is rapidly coming to a close.Actually, Western society is so constructed as to concentrate the greatest power in the worst possible hands. See,
practically anything has military applications. So really the most important knowledge is now Top Secret classified.
The first thing that would impress a visitor from outer space would be the tremendous, inexplicable gap between potential
and performance. It’s amazing when you consider what the human organism could do in terms of its potential, and what it
actually does. No species that isn’t fundamentally flawed could be so stupid this consistently. Let us consider the human
organism as an artifact. Comparative evolution will show us what is wrong with it and how far it has to go.
You have the first airplanes… now, take one look at that artifact and you see that everything is wrong with it. They were
incredibly dangerous, they had a very short range, and to be anything more than a curiosity it has a very long way to go…
So now up here’s your present planes and rockets and so forth… and all the steps in between… well now take an artifact -
see, we can see that this artifact is in a rudimentary stage and that it has a very long way to go, we could see that back
then. We don’t have to see all this development to know that if this is going to do anything at all it’s got to make a number
of forward steps. Now take an artifact like the bow I’ll put it up here – what’s wrong with it? Very little. It’s gone about as far
as you can go on the principle of a projectile propelled by an elastic spring – you can use rubber bands, it’s the same
principle. The artifact is subject to a basic limitation: the stronger the bow, the more energy required to draw it. It can’t go
very much further. Now of course modern bows have appeared and there are a lot of hobbyists who hunt with bows. They
kill bears and I think even lions, and undoubtedly these bows, modern bows, are much better than anything that people
had five hundred years ago. But they’re not all that much better. They’re not basically different or basically much better.
Now take another artifact down here, the flintlock rifle or pistol. Take one look at that artifact and ask yourself what is
wrong with it. Just about everything. They didn’t even have the firepower of the bow; they took much longer to load and
prepare them. They misfired very frequently; rain and wind would render the weapon quite useless – if rain gets in the pan
it won’t ignite. Black powder is dangerous, very much more volatile than smokeless powder. It’s very dangerous to
transport and use, static electricity will set it off; if you shuffled across the floor and picked up a canister of black powder
that would be a very dangerous thing to do – it’d blowup… So it has a very long way to go.
Up here to modern automatic weapons, another factor comes in and that’s the factor of money. Money and profit
becomes very important because as soon as an article goes into mass production they don’t want to know about a better
article. And they particularly don’t want to know about one that is basically different, because the most expensive thing a
manufacturer can do is to junk his dies. He’s got his dies set up to manufacture the very inefficient internal combustion
engine, he doesn’t want to shift to a turbine. So he will suppress inventions. Very useful inventions are now suppressed…
And we can also see living creatures as artifacts. When you take an artifact like the weasel, well what’s wrong with it?
Well, not much. It’s limited, but in terms of its structure and goals it functions well enough; it has reached the limit of its
development. And you look at the human artifact: what’s wrong with it? Just about everything, it’s right down here with the
flintlock… It’s got a long way to go.
First the question as to what distinguishes the human animal from other animals is one of the very frequent questions, and
Korzybski, who started the idea of general semantics, the meaning of meaning, had I think the best answer: it’s language.
But language must not be confused with communication. You see animals communicate and they talk, but they don’t
write. They can’t make knowledge available to members of their species outside their communication range. Everything
they learn they have to learn during their lifetime. Now a wise old rat will know a great deal about poisons and traps, but
he can’t write a treatise which other rats could read, he can’t pass that knowledge on to rats over here or to future
generations of rats… very fortunate… for us. Now to get back to the human artifact; one of the things that distinguishes
man is language, that animals talk but they don’t write. They’ve got no way of writing something down so that it can be
available through space and time. Actually, we know that some people don’t write, but the whole of human language they
can pass on orally, which animals cannot. Language is essentially a symbolic system where something represents
something else. You can’t draw a map, it doesn’t mean anything to an animal; you can’t get an animal to read a map, but
illiterate, so-called illiterate people can.
Well, let’s consider the human artifact and what is wrong with it. Consider a creature that can live on the seacoast,
watching ships come in, day after day, year after year, and still believe the Earth is flat because the Church says so. They
knew the Earth was round. They believed it was flat. Or an artifact that can use cannonballs for 500 years before the idea
of a cannonball that explodes on contact blossoms in this barren soil. I could go on and on.
So why has the human artifact stayed back with the flintlock? Well, I’m advancing a theory that we were not biologically
designed to remain in our present stage any more than a tadpole is designed to remain a tadpole. The human is in a state
of neotony – that’s a biologic word we’ve already heard from Dr. Lotsch used to describe an organism fixated at what
would normally be a larval or transitional phase. Now ordinarily a salamander starts his life cycle in the water with gills;
later the gills atrophy and drop off and the animal develops lungs and comes up to land: then they go back and spend the
rest of their lives in the water and they have to come up to breathe. Just why they do that I don’t know.
However, there are certain salamanders who never lose their gills and they never leave the water. Now they’d be
considered in a state of neotony. The Xolotl salamander, found in Mexico, is an example. And scientists, moved by the
plight of this beautiful creature gave him an injection of hormones, whereupon he shed his gills and left the water after
ages of neotony. Whether this was any advantage to him is another question. It does seem advantageous if
you’re gonna spend much of your time in the water to have gills, but evolution is a one-way street. Once you lose your
gills you can never get them back. I think it’s a little too much to hope we could be jolted out of neotony by a single
injection. But by whatever means the change takes place, if it does take place, the change will be irreversible. The Xolotl,
of course, once he sheds his gills can never reclaim them. This law of evolution… I don’t know any reason for it but it
seems to be a law – the whales must have been on land at one time: they lost their gills and they never got them back.
Now when we consider these evolutionary steps, one has a feeling that the creature is tricked in a way into making them.
Now here is a fish that has survived droughts because he has developed feet or rudimentary lungs. As far as the fish is
concerned, the feet are simply a means of getting from one water source to another or of going down into the mud and
waiting out the drought. But once he leaves his gills behind he has made an involuntary step – I won’t say forward exactly -
but a step. Looking for water he has found air. And perhaps a forward step for the human race will be made in the same
way.
The astronaut is not looking for Space, he’s looking for more Time to do exactly the same things. He’s equating Space
with Time and the Space program is simply an attempt to transport all our insoluble problems, our impasses, and take
them somewhere else where exactly the same thing is bound to occur. However like the walking fish, looking for more
Time he may find space instead, and then find that there is no way back. Now such an evolutionary step would involve
changes literally inconceivable from our present point of view.
The first step towards Space exploration was to examine the human artifact with biologic alterations in mind that would
render our human artifact more suitable for Space conditions and Space travel. Now we are like water creatures looking
up from here at the earth and the air and wondering how we can survive in that alien medium. Fish didn’t have the
capacity to do that: we do. The water we live in is Time. That alien medium we glimpse beyond Time is Space. And that is
where we are going… Read all the science fiction books and stories one could find and the assumption, the basic assumption, that there is no real change involved in Space travel, same dreary people playing out
the same tired old roles. Take that dead act into Space. Now here they are light years from Planet Earth watching cricket
and baseball on a vision screen…. can you imagine taking their stupid pastimes light years into Space. It’s like the fish
said, ‘Well, I’m gonna just shove this aquarium up onto the land and there I’ve got everything I need…’ (laughter)… you
need entirely too much.
“Well, to begin with there is the question, of weight, the human organism weighs about 170 pounds and that is a decided
disadvantage. But also this breathing- eating-excreting-dreaming human organism must have its entire environment, its
awkward life process encapsulated and transported with it… into Space.
I am speaking not in moral, but in biologic terms.
So I’m starting here with a basic assumption which of course many of you will, cannot accept: that our destiny – again I’m
talking about our biologic destiny – is in Space, and that our failure to achieve this is the basic flaw in the human artifact.
That’s why it’s back here, down here with the flintlock instead of being somewhere up here.
Did you just post a prayer?
dont believe everything you think
Take the two strongest supporters of the Constitution from both parties and form the coalition of independent voters and recover america from the Banksters , the military and the israelis.
Stephen Colbert
1. Vice Presidents don’t do much
2. Gives him time to do the show
3. We need more charismatic leadership
Ventura is as educated on and incorruptible by the NWO as Paul himself.
judge nap or rockwell leave peter,rand paul and the rest for senate seats or other jobs ron paul & judge nap would make me glow for the rest of my life no matter what the economy or world was like. all you people out stay focussed dont slack stay alive and go wake up some sheep cause there all on prozac & american idol waiting for the fema camp directions.
Chuck Hagel
WHo put this list together???
Sarah Palin ??? Whats more is that people actually selected her.
This woman is as dumb as a stump and her slutty airhostess look is getting old.
People Sarah palin ???? WTF????
And please no religious wing-nuts.
wow
Bill Mays? Noooo but of course Peter Schiff
I have been a Ron Paul supporter for yeas and voted for him in the 2008 Republican primary. But, I must say, as a lifelong Catholic, I am offended by the slur alleging that the Catholic Church sold indulgences to sinners. Disobedient, dissident Catholic clergy may have illicitly engaged in such actions at one time, but such an act is regarded as simony — the selling of a sacred object — and is considered to be a serious sin. While some individual Catholic clergy (individuals) may have engaged in such acts, the Catholic CHURCH (as a body) did not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Tetzel
What is an ‘indulgence’?
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07783a.htm
Yes they were widely sold.
This is a horrible list to pick from… Rand Paul for sure.
Peter Schiff
Michael Badnarik
Peter Schiff! And Rick Santelli as Treasury Secretary!
Peter Schiff
Michele Bachmann
Alex Jones
Cynthia McKinney
Regarding Ventura, a Truther would be a liability to the ticket.
Ventura has a huge ego and is an amoral celebrity. Liability is right.
Kucinich and Ventura. We need some honest ball busters waiting in the wings. If they can get us votes for the win, all the better. Schiff would be low on my list.
Gary Johnson!!! He leads by example. This guy has executive branch experience and knows how to veto a bill! I would trust him in the line of succession (god forbid!).
Tom McClintock, recent freshman R congressman from CA. Good guy, needs more exposure. Can step into Dr. Paul’s shoes. Been fighting the socialists on the left coast.
Thomas Sowell
How about Walter Williams instead? Sowell is a respected scholar but I believe he is a neo-con.
Alan Keyes…a committed Christian and Constitutional scholar. For insightful and extremely well-written essays, see his blog, “Loyal to Liberty,” at http://loyaltoliberty.blogspot.com/. See especially his latest essay, “Congress Should Apologize Alright- for Imposing Slavery ON US” at http://loyaltoliberty.blogspot.com/2009/06/congress-should-apologize-alright-for.html.
I picked “Other” and nominate John Stossel. He’s a major celebrity and die-hard libertarian. He’d rip apart any other VP candidate during the VP debates.
I believe the rising star of the right is Paul Ryan from Wisconsin, I cannot believe he is not even mentioned on this poll.
Gary Johnson. Who can be a Ron Paul supporter and seriously think that Mike Huckabee or some of these other people that they’ve voted for would be a good fit?
Bah – I meant Judge Andrew Napolitano… was just reading a report on “Sherriff Joe” and then tried to write about the Judge and got the two mixed up.
The Honorable Judge Joe Napolitano first and foremost. I’d crawl through broken glass to vote a Paul/Napolitano ticket.
I would offer up Michelle Bachmann as well but I don’t really know enough about her, have just seen some clips of speeches she’s made in the House that pretty much lay out the fact she’s more than ready to leave the Republican Party. However, her straight talk would be lambasted as “extreme fear-mongering rhetoric” by the left, even though we know it’s the truth.
Jessie Ventura, Chuck Baldwin, or Peter Schiff
I’d also would like to see Michael Badnarik as his running mate.
Don’t get me wrong, Dennis Kucinich and Rand Paul would be good too. But Dennis has a hard time remembering what the 2nd Amendment means. And as for Rand, We’d need a constitutionalist in the Senate if he runs and wins the Kentucky seat.
Paul/Parker ticket is the modern day equivelant of Thomas Jefferson/Martin Luther King Jr.
If you think I’m exaggerating or don’t know who Ms. Parker is, take a look at this
Was a powerful speech.
Star Parker! She’d be like a Sarah Palin, only she actually has conservative values and believes in liberty and small government. And what a speaker…
… and extremely pleasant on the eyes, as well.
Judge Andrew Napolitano is my number one VP choice, mainly because I am really hoping Peter Schiff will run for the Senate.
David Walker would make an excellent running mate for Ron Paul. Together,they would straighten this mess out.
Dr. Baldwin, Schiff or Judge Andrew Napolitano would be great choices. Root might be reasonable, too. I don’t think Dr. Rand Paul would have enough public exposure by 2012 to make a solid run for VP.
I don’t see how anyone could vote for Rep. Kucinich on this. Sure, he’s done some good stuff, but the man is a socialist.
I refuse to vote because SHELLY ROCHE isn’t on the list. SHELLY! SHELLY! SHELLY! SHELLY!
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PETER SCHIFF!!!
Ron Paul and Peter Schiff…..would be off the CHAIN!!
Schiff – Magnificent Mind, with the personality of cardboard.
Make him Secretary of the Treasury.
no way dude. Peter Schiff is the most interesting person….since Capitalism.
WTF you talking ab….bro?
chill bro
talkinbout Secretary of The Treasury …. with no FED.
cool?
Paul / Paul 2012 ?
I would love to pick the most constitutional running mate for Ron Paul’s ticket. However not every American thinks in those terms, if we want to get something done, if we want to get Ron Paul into that damned presidency, we gotta get someone the dumb American people will want we libertarians and constitutionalists have to concede if we want to be seen and heard. I think a nice blue dog democrat,with good political power and a decent love for America would be Denis Kucinich.
Who should be Ron Paul’s running mate? Who can we trust? The most constitutional candidate we can find. Consider Georgia Rep Honorable Lynn Westmoreland for starters. What about Michele Bachmann?
Michael Badnarik!
When the rubber meets the road I like Congresswoman Michele Bachmann.
Rep. Jeff Flake
Lew Rockwell
Peter Schiff
Pat, Gary, Wayne, or Chuck
Senator Jim Inhofe (Root and Baldwin are good too)