Comments on: Ron Paul: Government involvement causes price inflation in healthcare and education http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-07-16/ron-paul-government-involvement-causes-price-inflation-in-healthcare-and-education/ Ron Paul is America's leading voice for limited, constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, sound money, and a pro-American foreign policy. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:40:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: For those who support Ron Paul... - Grasscity.com Forumshttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-07-16/ron-paul-government-involvement-causes-price-inflation-in-healthcare-and-education/comment-page-1/#comment-248535 For those who support Ron Paul... - Grasscity.com Forums Mon, 09 May 2011 23:35:35 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3295#comment-248535 [...] drain most college students learn next to nothing new study says: Tech Ticker, Yahoo! Finance Ron Paul: Government involvement causes price inflation in healthcare and education [...] [...] drain most college students learn next to nothing new study says: Tech Ticker, Yahoo! Finance Ron Paul: Government involvement causes price inflation in healthcare and education [...]

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]]> By: Fred the Protectionisthttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-07-16/ron-paul-government-involvement-causes-price-inflation-in-healthcare-and-education/comment-page-1/#comment-81672 Fred the Protectionist Mon, 05 Apr 2010 07:26:48 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3295#comment-81672 Well allot of you guys always wondered how Liberals think, here's your chance to absorb some bits of information, but instead you'd rather just make comebacks.Another reason why you can't win elections. Well allot of you guys always wondered how Liberals think, here’s your chance to absorb some bits of information, but instead you’d rather just make comebacks.

Another reason why you can’t win elections.

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]]> By: Chrishttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-07-16/ron-paul-government-involvement-causes-price-inflation-in-healthcare-and-education/comment-page-1/#comment-81670 Chris Mon, 05 Apr 2010 07:06:58 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3295#comment-81670 Wow that was pitiful... a liberal troll trying to inflame, just ignore it. Wow that was pitiful… a liberal troll trying to inflame, just ignore it.

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]]> By: Libertarian777http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-07-16/ron-paul-government-involvement-causes-price-inflation-in-healthcare-and-education/comment-page-1/#comment-80018 Libertarian777 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:58:29 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3295#comment-80018 Joe, in short, the right to healthcare exists and existed before this bill.However, you have to define this 'right'.This bill as passed is only about access to health insurance. Access to health insurance and access to health CARE are two separate things.I have not, except in cases of extreme emergencies with multiple casualties, heard of any ER turning anyone away. That is actual health CARE (there are long debates about the lines etc, and preventative care but I won't go down that rabbit hole to keep this short).However, the question you must ask is when does your RIGHT supercede MY right?Does your 'right' to healthcare supercede my right to my own labour? If it doesn't then I am an indentured servant of the state, and I work for the state and for the state's citizens. That is a strictly socialist view of the world.Freedom means I am free to associate with who I wish, free to spend my funds as I wish, and free to choose my doctors, healthcare insurance and providers etc.The current state of health insurance, and health care before this bill was passed reflects the already socialised health insurance. This bill just took the socialism that much further (Medicare/Medicare are unfunded and are taxing current taxpayers to pay for entitlements to retirees and those who cannot afford health insurance).Now the short term view, that many people have is, YES no one can now be denied health insurance due to pre-existing conditions. However long term you have to ask, why are premiums higher for people with pre-existing conditions? For the simple fact that the incidence cost of treatment will be higher for them as a population. Moral arguments aside, from a purely financial point of view, if the incidents of health care required by this population is higher, the associated costs are higher, and consequently the premiums of the members would be higher to cover such costs.However, since the government intends to blend these costs, and force the healthy to fund the sick, if it is not done equitably, inevitably the health insurance fund will be short of funds (more sick people have more costs), and the only way the government can close this gap is to tax more in the long run.There is a good book from the Cato institute that was offered for free for a while (you have to purchase it now), however their website provides most of the same information: http://healthcare.cato.org/I suggest you read up there and come to your own conclusions. Joe, in short, the right to healthcare exists and existed before this bill.

However, you have to define this ‘right’.

This bill as passed is only about access to health insurance. Access to health insurance and access to health CARE are two separate things.

I have not, except in cases of extreme emergencies with multiple casualties, heard of any ER turning anyone away. That is actual health CARE (there are long debates about the lines etc, and preventative care but I won’t go down that rabbit hole to keep this short).

However, the question you must ask is when does your RIGHT supercede MY right?

Does your ‘right’ to healthcare supercede my right to my own labour? If it doesn’t then I am an indentured servant of the state, and I work for the state and for the state’s citizens. That is a strictly socialist view of the world.

Freedom means I am free to associate with who I wish, free to spend my funds as I wish, and free to choose my doctors, healthcare insurance and providers etc.

The current state of health insurance, and health care before this bill was passed reflects the already socialised health insurance. This bill just took the socialism that much further (Medicare/Medicare are unfunded and are taxing current taxpayers to pay for entitlements to retirees and those who cannot afford health insurance).

Now the short term view, that many people have is, YES no one can now be denied health insurance due to pre-existing conditions. However long term you have to ask, why are premiums higher for people with pre-existing conditions? For the simple fact that the incidence cost of treatment will be higher for them as a population. Moral arguments aside, from a purely financial point of view, if the incidents of health care required by this population is higher, the associated costs are higher, and consequently the premiums of the members would be higher to cover such costs.

However, since the government intends to blend these costs, and force the healthy to fund the sick, if it is not done equitably, inevitably the health insurance fund will be short of funds (more sick people have more costs), and the only way the government can close this gap is to tax more in the long run.

There is a good book from the Cato institute that was offered for free for a while (you have to purchase it now), however their website provides most of the same information: http://healthcare.cato.org/

I suggest you read up there and come to your own conclusions.

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]]> By: Chrishttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-07-16/ron-paul-government-involvement-causes-price-inflation-in-healthcare-and-education/comment-page-1/#comment-52593 Chris Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:34:48 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3295#comment-52593 Very well put Joe, you are spot on, and represent what most clear minded, hard working Americans think on the subject. Very well put Joe, you are spot on, and represent what most clear minded, hard working Americans think on the subject.

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]]> By: Josephhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-07-16/ron-paul-government-involvement-causes-price-inflation-in-healthcare-and-education/comment-page-1/#comment-39974 Joseph Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:07:43 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3295#comment-39974 Joe and James........you guys are right on. One area that needs close scrutiny are the greedy health insurance companies. Joe and James……..you guys are right on. One area that needs close scrutiny are the greedy health insurance companies.

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]]> By: Joehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-07-16/ron-paul-government-involvement-causes-price-inflation-in-healthcare-and-education/comment-page-1/#comment-36738 Joe Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:24:57 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3295#comment-36738 You're right James....but I think that we did have a little bit of a free market at one time (I could be wrong), because it was what made this country great and the powerhouse it became, but you're absolutely correct. As long as politicians have been in Washington, they have done nothing but take all the things that really work with this country and lay them to waste. They are the ones that enabled all the manufacturing jobs to go to taiwan, china, mexico, etc...We lost everything when we went from a manufacturing economy to a service economy, of course that's not the ONLY reason but I think that's what caused the most damage to our economy. We no longer have the ability to reasonably sustain our economy from within. That's what I think, anyway. I'm gonna check out that site you brought up. I don't really know as much about economics as I'd like to, or as I need to, but I do have eyes and a brain that is capable of thought and it's not hard to see that anytime the government gets involved with anything...it's a recipe for certain failure. You’re right James….but I think that we did have a little bit of a free market at one time (I could be wrong), because it was what made this country great and the powerhouse it became, but you’re absolutely correct. As long as politicians have been in Washington, they have done nothing but take all the things that really work with this country and lay them to waste. They are the ones that enabled all the manufacturing jobs to go to taiwan, china, mexico, etc…We lost everything when we went from a manufacturing economy to a service economy, of course that’s not the ONLY reason but I think that’s what caused the most damage to our economy. We no longer have the ability to reasonably sustain our economy from within. That’s what I think, anyway. I’m gonna check out that site you brought up. I don’t really know as much about economics as I’d like to, or as I need to, but I do have eyes and a brain that is capable of thought and it’s not hard to see that anytime the government gets involved with anything…it’s a recipe for certain failure.

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]]> By: CANAMhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-07-16/ron-paul-government-involvement-causes-price-inflation-in-healthcare-and-education/comment-page-1/#comment-36594 CANAM Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:03:06 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3295#comment-36594 right on James right on James

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]]> By: James OHarehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-07-16/ron-paul-government-involvement-causes-price-inflation-in-healthcare-and-education/comment-page-1/#comment-36566 James OHare Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:33:47 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3295#comment-36566 Big government doesn't work. Layton is incorrect in the statement: "We have tried free market and self reform and those have not worked. Why not have some outside intervention."Here's why: (1) We have NOT tried the free market. This country has never had a free market. Politicians have interfered with the free market (to our detriment) as long as we've had politicians. (2) I'm not sure what was meant by "self reform." Perhaps Layton meant government regulatory bodies attempting to reform business or business practices. If that's what you mean, of course it didn't work. How can a bunch of out of touch politicians in Washington know how to create regulations (self reform ?) of an industry in which they have absolutely no knowdedge? They can't. (3) It's governmental intervention that CAUSES problems in the first place. (I suggest you, and everyone else, log on to mwhodges.com and get yourself a real education on economics and how it relates to politics). And finally (4) In relation to health care: since when has adding a whole new layer of government bureaurcracy ever LOWERED costs? (Hint: NEVER!). Big government doesn’t work. Layton is incorrect in the statement: “We have tried free market and self reform and those have not worked. Why not have some outside intervention.”

Here’s why: (1) We have NOT tried the free market. This country has never had a free market. Politicians have interfered with the free market (to our detriment) as long as we’ve had politicians. (2) I’m not sure what was meant by “self reform.” Perhaps Layton meant government regulatory bodies attempting to reform business or business practices. If that’s what you mean, of course it didn’t work. How can a bunch of out of touch politicians in Washington know how to create regulations (self reform ?) of an industry in which they have absolutely no knowdedge? They can’t. (3) It’s governmental intervention that CAUSES problems in the first place. (I suggest you, and everyone else, log on to mwhodges.com and get yourself a real education on economics and how it relates to politics). And finally (4) In relation to health care: since when has adding a whole new layer of government bureaurcracy ever LOWERED costs? (Hint: NEVER!).

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]]> By: Joehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-07-16/ron-paul-government-involvement-causes-price-inflation-in-healthcare-and-education/comment-page-1/#comment-29450 Joe Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:56:56 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3295#comment-29450 I have to agree that government does not pay for all healthcare, but I must respectfully disagree that if they did, private healthcare would be extremely affordable. I think the opposite, in fact, is true. Especially if the government mandated their healthcare. Private insurance companies would be on the road to collapse. Next...the government does NOT pay for ANY healthcare...WE do, with our unconstitutional, unapportioned income taxes...so why should I have to pay for everyone's healthcare? restructure the welfare department instead. These are the people that it was put in place to help. Instead it is given to people sitting on their rear-ends not working for generations. Sure, there are people that use it for what it was made for. Most just shake the system down and it has come to be more of a lifestyle than what it was intended to be, which is a temporary help. Hasn't this administration caused enough debt for us? I DO think that the increase in healthcare costs from providers was, at least partially, caused by increasing frivolous malpractice lawsuits and other frivolous legal action. In order to pay the increasing cost of malpractice insurance. Now, as I said, this is not the whole of the problem or even the majority, but it contributes. There are also documented cases from France and Canada, places with nationalized healthcare, that come here to our hospitals and get things done because their own national healthcare wouldn't give them treatment they needed. Also, have you read the healthcare bill? It's full of nothing but giving the government more power over things they should have no power over or be involved in. One other important fact is, free market made this country great. the problem is NOT free market, the problem is the government over-regulating the market. The market will take care of itself. If things fail, then they fail. In a true free market, costs MUST be kept reasonable or the people will go somewhere else. The government running healthcare? You have to be kidding me. These are the same people that have lost our social security money. As far as government healthcare goes, ask a native american. They have been on government healthcare for a long time. There's a reason why they say they hate it. The fact is that the Federal government is already in places that it has no business being in. I confess that I am no economist. I'm just a regular guy that goes to work everyday, trying to make ends meet, but i'm smart enough to know that what I DON'T need is more government involvement in things they shouldn't be in and more taxes taken from me to pay for it. Respectfully.... I have to agree that government does not pay for all healthcare, but I must respectfully disagree that if they did, private healthcare would be extremely affordable. I think the opposite, in fact, is true. Especially if the government mandated their healthcare. Private insurance companies would be on the road to collapse. Next…the government does NOT pay for ANY healthcare…WE do, with our unconstitutional, unapportioned income taxes…so why should I have to pay for everyone’s healthcare? restructure the welfare department instead. These are the people that it was put in place to help. Instead it is given to people sitting on their rear-ends not working for generations. Sure, there are people that use it for what it was made for. Most just shake the system down and it has come to be more of a lifestyle than what it was intended to be, which is a temporary help. Hasn’t this administration caused enough debt for us? I DO think that the increase in healthcare costs from providers was, at least partially, caused by increasing frivolous malpractice lawsuits and other frivolous legal action. In order to pay the increasing cost of malpractice insurance. Now, as I said, this is not the whole of the problem or even the majority, but it contributes.
There are also documented cases from France and Canada, places with nationalized healthcare, that come here to our hospitals and get things done because their own national healthcare wouldn’t give them treatment they needed. Also, have you read the healthcare bill? It’s full of nothing but giving the government more power over things they should have no power over or be involved in. One other important fact is, free market made this country great. the problem is NOT free market, the problem is the government over-regulating the market. The market will take care of itself. If things fail, then they fail. In a true free market, costs MUST be kept reasonable or the people will go somewhere else. The government running healthcare? You have to be kidding me. These are the same people that have lost our social security money. As far as government healthcare goes, ask a native american. They have been on government healthcare for a long time. There’s a reason why they say they hate it. The fact is that the Federal government is already in places that it has no business being in. I confess that I am no economist. I’m just a regular guy that goes to work everyday, trying to make ends meet, but i’m smart enough to know that what I DON’T need is more government involvement in things they shouldn’t be in and more taxes taken from me to pay for it. Respectfully….

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