Poll: Should Congress Abolish the Federal Reserve?
Some economists have identified the Federal Reserve as the cause of the “boom and bust” cycle, while others insist that its continued existence is essential to preventing another Great Depression. What should Congress do? Abolish the Fed entirely, just make it more transparent, open it up to free-market competition, leave it as it is, or make it even more powerful?
Should Congress Abolish the Federal Reserve?
- Yes (84%, 2,422 Votes)
- It depends on what the audit reveals (7%, 202 Votes)
- No, just make it more transparent (5%, 158 Votes)
- No, just allow competing currencies (2%, 45 Votes)
- Other (explain) (1%, 33 Votes)
- No, make it even more powerful (as Obama suggests) (0%, 14 Votes)
- No, leave it as it is (1%, 8 Votes)
Total Voters: 2,881
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we need to have a march alright…..BUT THIS TIME A MILLION MAN MARCH WITH EVERY MAN EXCERCIZING THE SECOND AMMENDMENT BY EVERY MAN CARRING A WEAPON TO WASHINGTON…….AS A MESSAGE THAT IF THEY DONT GIVE US OUR RIGHTS OUR MONEY….OUR CHOICES….OUR FREEDOMS BACK THEN THE NEXT TIME WE COME WE WONT BE PLAYING GAMES…..WITH THE LIMITED EXCEPTION OF THE MILITARY FOR NATIONAL SECURITY ABROAD ONLY….(NOT AGAINST THE CITIZENS IN THE PROCESSESS OF ABOLISHING THE GOVERNMENT AND IT’S ENEMIES WITHIN)….WE SHALL COME BACK…. TO DECLARE THE ABOLITION OF RIGHT OF GOVERNMENT TO EXIST….AND TO COLLECT TAXES….ALSO ABOLISHMENT OF THIER RIGHT TO ALL IMMUNITY LAWS…..ALSO DECLARING 99% OF ALL IT’S CURRENT LAWS..(WITH THE EXCEPTION OF FUNDAMENTAL LAWS OF MURDERERS, CORPORATE JUDICIAL & COMMON THIEVES, VIOLENT OFFENDERS) .NULL AND VOID…..AS A RESULT…..WITH ALL THE RESTRICTIONS OF LAWS GONE…SUCH AS ZONING….HOA POWERS STRIPPED AWAY……POWERS OF CITY CODE ENFORCERS STRIPPED AWAY……..THIS WILL OPEN UP A FREE ENTERPRISE EXPLOSION….PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD WILL WANT TO COME AND LIVE HERE….BECAUSE THEY WILL KNOW THAT ALL CURRENT RESTRICTIONS HAVE GONE….AND WITH LOW TAXES…THEY KNOW THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PROSPER HERE QUICKLY……AND EASILY……WITH NO MONEY AND NO LAWS FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT THIER BUREAUCRACY TO HIDE BEHIND….AND NO WAY TO FACILITATE THE PERPETUAL EXTORTION OF THE PEOPLE….THERE WILL BE NO MONEY (BLOOD) TO KEEP THIS ANIMAL ALIVE ANYMORE….AND THEY WILL DISOLVE INTO NOTHINGNESS….AND BE FORCED TO FIND ANOTHER JOB….AS WELL MANY SHALL BE IMPRISONED JUST AS THEY HAVE INPRISONED MANY………THIS WILL PUT ALL THE MONEY BACK INTO THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE AND CHOKE AND STRIP THE POWERS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE FROM USING OUR MONEY TO KEEP THEM IN POWER…THEY WILL STARVE AND THEY WILL DIE….BECAUSE GOVERNMENT HAS NO RIGHT TO EXIST…THIER EXISTANCE IS ONLY A PRIVILAGE….BUT THIS PRIVILAGE HAS BEEN ABUSED AND EXPLOITED FOR LONG ENOUGH……..IT WILL STOP ALL THE WASTEFULL SPENDING…..AND THIS WILL FORCE ALL CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND FUNDAMENTAL SERVICES TO THE LOCAL LEVEL TO THE PEOPLE HOLDING THE MONEY…. ENPOWERING THEM TO CHOOSE AND TO HIRE AND FIRE AT THE LOCAL LEVELS….ALL FEES AND SERVICES WILL BE LIMITED TO A PAY AS YOU GO OR PAY IF YOU USE IT BASIS……IF YOU USE IT YOU PAY FOR IT…..YOU MUST PITCH IN….IF YOU DONT USE IT….THERE IS NOTHING TO PAY…..APPLYING TO ALL PEOPLE WHO SERVICE OUR CITIES ETC….THIS MEANS EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD CAN HIRE AND FIRE THIER OWN POLICE FORCE, FIRE DEPARTMENTS….ETC…DIRECTLY…DECIDE THIER PAY……WITHOUT THE INTERFERENCES OF THE BUREAUCRACY (FED OR STATE)TO PROTECT THEM…..THE ONLY WAY TO EMPOWER THE PEOPLE IS TO STOP ALL MONEY GOING TO THE GOVERNMENT…..WHERE THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO RIGHT OF RETALIATION FOR DOING SO….THE BUCK WILL STOP RIGHT THERE……PLAIN AND SIMPLE…..ENOUGH OF WAITING FOR THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESSESS….THE LEGISLATURE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A CANCER ANYWAY…..BUYING MORE TIME FOR THE BUREAUCRACY TO EXPAND AND CAUSE MORE DAMAGE TO OUR POCKET BOOKS AND PROPERTY AND FREEDOM………IF WE DONT ACT SOON…..THEY WILL BE FORCING ALL TO WEAR THE 666….THAT IS THIER ULTIMATE GOAL….TO TAG…AND CONTROL EVERY LIVING THING…..RIGHT NOW THEY ARE SETTING UP THE PIECES……IF WE WAIT TOO LONG WE WILL BE CHECK MATED….BEFORE WE GET OFF THE GROUND……REMEMBER THERE IS POWER AND SAFETY FROM OUR ENEMIES IN NUMBERS……….
Amazingly the more research I do, uncovers a complete control of America and most of the world by Jewish interest at the expense to viewing humanity as a whole. Without targeting the Jewish race there needs to be a concerted effort to remove control from the “chosen people,” and exercise equalization. I am getting very tired of having it rubbed in my face at every turn that I am run by Jews “$#@% you.”
Ronald, it’s this racist, anti-semetic, ethnocentric ignorant garbage that ends up turning people off to the otherwise valid points that we’re all trying to make here. It’s not one religious group that’s controlling everything, it’s the central banks.
You have the right to your hatred, but please try to keep it separate from our valid, well-researched position about the Fed and its dangers, OK?
how do you instill a new government….?…that is the million dollar question…..because….after reading the declaration of independence…and the bill of rights….and the constitution….something very strange just occured to me…….there is no systematic process given that would trigger an abolition of current government…no process is given….in some respects…that tells me that the whole constitution and bill of rights and declaration of independence….is an unfinished document….it appears that all these precepts and ideas are just that….good ideas that are not refined and defined to be enacted in a systematic way…..it looks like to me that we are actually looking at raw script…..since there is no trigger or catalyst to start the process of eliminating government…it also appears to me that if there are proceedural processess it tends to lean towards the bureaucracy…and none or nothing towards the prime directive…which is freedom for each individual….another words…there is more of a step by step proceedure in the enforcement of the bureaucracy….but no proceedures for the enforcement of the rights of the people……..I would say this is what needs to be done….a systematic process must be created..a simple proceedure that would start the ball rolling…to abolish government……but to do so would also trigger vicious opposition by simply ignoring the people’s request for a “protocol of abolition”….also….if people are wondering why we have so many problems…..many may not know this bit of irony….but our current problems stem from the very consititution itself…..if you subtract the declaration of independence and subtract the bill of rights….what you have left in the very constitution itself….is nothing but a document that creates the bureaucracy itself…a document that favors the PRO-FEDERALISTS..(govt bureacracy)….another words….the constitution is our own worst enemy….it defies…and opposes the other 2 documents……in the mean time….I would say that the only way to stop government in it’s tracks…..is to declare all military under the authority of the will of the people including police powers….and federal agencies…..national guard etc…then cut off all funding (taxing) to all agencies….this way the bureaucracy cannot use it’s police powers to continue the enforcement of it’s extortionary practices….if the police powers and federal police powers….back the bureaucracy….then they too have become the enemy of the state….but we would control the military…and they would surely loose…..there needs to be something in the constitution that guarentees the power of the military to be subject to the authority of the civilians…during…the processess of abolition…… the way it is right now…is that all of these agencies are under the command of government to defend government of it’s own existance…….but that is the great fallicy…..that is like a neighborhood hiring a security guard to defend the neighborhood….but later the security guard hires more security guards and other personel against the wishes of the neighborhood and passes rules that protect the security guard and all its personel of it’s own jobs…and behavior….rather than protect the neighborhood……leaving the neighborhood vulnerable to hiring a 3rd party to defend the neighborhood against the security guards and personel…whom was hired to protect the neighborhood in the first place….
I like to show pauses…..that’s how I write……as unconventional as it is……but then again….I am not conventional…….are you an english teacher….????
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32264181/ns/entertainment-access_hollywood/?GT1=43001
that is sad, anyone want to go tell him how to NOT be a tax-payer?
then the only way to put an end to the government is for all to stand up…..BUT AT THE SAME TIME …here is something that everyone needs to see and be reminded of every day if anything is going change…..here is something that I wrote to glen beck one day after hearing him for a while but yet not hearing the most important thing that needed to be said but yet not said…..
glen……….. when I get a chance….I listen to your arguments……and much of the time your right……but every now and then…..I see serious errors…….however they are overlooked much of the time….except the last time I wrote…………and now there is something else that’s needs to be said…………..
day in and day out….I hear so many people complaining about the this big bad government …..how it is just plain STUPID….AND EVIL….. DECIEVING….FRAUDULENT……SUBTLE……OUT OF CONTROL…..MANIPULATIVE……MURDEROUS……EXPLOITERS…..THIEVES……
EXTORTIONERS…..USURPERS…….IGNORANT…….DUMB……ARROGANT….HAUGHTY…..CONTEMPTUOUS…HAVING GOD LIKE COMPLEX……just to name a few……..which describes the people who are running it….and unfortunately those that do have the sense to know what the problems are….just don’t get any recognition…..or respect……neither do people pay attention to them…..and then I get an ear full from of course………….glen beck…sean hannity….mark levine…..rush limbaugh….and many others…….just as well……….and I surely agree with much of the complaints…….
but out of all these people….and places and websites…..radio stations…….and news media gigs….that repeatedly go over and over again about the same old constant problems…which is what this government is guilty of ………..but yet ……….
I AM SHOCKED THAT NOT ONE PERSON SO FAR…..HAS HAD THE GUTS TO EVEN MENTION….AND REMIND US…..EVERY DAY…….THAT THE SOLUTION TO ALL OUR PROBLEMS IS ALREADY THERE….WHERE..?….HERE…….RIGHT IN FRONT OF US…..WHAT AM I TALKING ABOUT…???..IT’S STARING RIGHT AT US…..IN THE FACE……IT WAS ALREADY WRITTEN BY THE FOREFATHERS……WHO VERY CLEARLY WROTE DOWN SOME OF CHARACTERISTICS OF AN OUT OF CONTROL GOVERNMENT…….BUT ALSO VERY CLEARLY WROTE DOWN THE ONLY SOLUTION…….THEN THEY VOWED THAT THE ONLY SOLUTION MUST BE WRITTEN DOWN FOR ALL GENERATIONS TO SEE……AND WHAT IS THAT…YOU MIGHT ASK….???…WELL……BEFORE I TELL YOU…….THESE ARE NOT JUST WORDS TO LOOK AT ONCE AND THEN TURN AWAY…..AND STILL ASK WHY ARE WE STILL HAVING THESE PROBLEMS…….THEY ARE NOT JUST WORDS TO HEAR AND THEN TURN AWAY….STILL COMPLAINING OF THE PROBLEMS……THEY ARE WORDS THAT ARE FRIGHTENING….TO ALL FORMS OF THE GOVERNMENT …THE LEGISLATURE….THE LEGAL SYSTEM….THE POLICE POWERS……THE JUDGES….THE PROSECUTORS…….HOA’S….CODE ENFORCERS….ALL FORMS OF TAX COLLECTORS….CITY COUNCELS….MAYORS…..GOVERNORS….AND EVEN…….PRESIDENTS…..
BUT YET POWERFUL…..AND ENPOWERING TO THE PEOPLE………AND ULTIMATELY….. INEVITABLE……..THESE WORDS CARRY MUCH WEIGHT….THEY CARRY POWER………THEY ARE WORDS THAT HAVE MEANING….THEY ARE WORDS THAT HAVE BEEN VERY MUCH FEARFUL OF…..SECRETLY ATTACKED BY PASSING LAWS THAT OVER RIDE AND SIDE STEP IT……BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THOSE WORDS WILL CHANGE AND PUT AN IMMEDIATE STOP TO ALL THEIR JOBS……AT THE SAME TIME ENDING OUR OWN PROBLEMS IF WE WOULD JUST FOR ONCE…..NOT JUST READ IT…..AND MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT……BUT THESE WORDS…..REQUIRE ACTION….WITHOUT THESE ACTIONS……THESE WORDS ARE POWERLESS….WE WILL BE DOOMED TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF OUR INACTION…UNLESS WE ACT…..WE WILL BE DOOMED TO SUFFER THE RESULTS OF A TOTALITARIAN FACIST COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT………IF WE WOULD JUST STOP THE CHATTER…AND START THE PROCESS OF THESE VERY WORDS…. ………….WHAT ARE THESE WORDS.????….YOU KEEP ASKING……….WELL………HERE THEY ARE…………
Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such Government. [The [Declaration of Independence]
THIS MEANS…A…DECLARATION OF WAR ON GOVERNMENT….THAT……..IF IT CANT BE DONE WITH THE STROKE OF THE PEN …(PEACEFULLY)……..THEN BY THE SMITE OF THE SWORD…….( BY FORCE)
gene, great letter, but with all the CAPS and all the “…..” not at all easy to read. I wonder if the well thought-out content and intensity was passed up because of the style in which it was presented (assuming it was presented as it was here). I hope not.
Rock-on brother, I’m with you 100% but, keep in mind, we don’t have a government to over-throw. The issue here is, and some one help if you know the steps, I just hadn’t learned yet; how do we re-install a constitutional government? Who needs to vote, how many? You cannot over throw a corporation, particularly one that you gave authority over your self to.
You will need to be a National. A Non-resident Alien. Once you get voted into the presidency legally and constitutionally, you get two things; control of the military (they are to uphold the constitution and protect those citizens. U.S. citizen, sorry, we don’t protect you.) and power to hold accountable the Fed and all the likes.
There’s lots of people waiting on this. It’s gotta be pretty easy to do. Administrator? Got any ideas? Dr. Paul, care to drop out of the system and be that man? I’m thinking of Ed Koch, president of Samuel Adams. Damn fine beer, he’s got a day job to keep him honest and it just seems poetic.
They don’t have authority. The IRC is “code” not law and only “code” for federal employees, hence “Internal”. The problem at hand is most don’t know what makes them subject to that code. and no one is gonna tell you. They use scare tactics. You simply need to do it; you need to read and learn. You need to follow the law, so don’t they. They can’t take your constitutional rights away but, they can trick you into giving them up…
these things sound good and promising but when one chooses to practice this…..you get arrested….they take your house to which there is no way to fight them….I agree I would love to just go and drag all the government employees out of those buildings that we’ve paid for and just fire them….but in doing so we would be shot on site….I dont care what anybody says …it is a privilage for any government agency to receive money or taxes for thier job…..but we one person chooses not to pay….they go to jail or take thier house and property…..look at what they did to wesley snipes……if we dont have to pay taxes …then who gave them the authority to penalize those who dont…???…is it artical 1 section 8…????….are you saying that….what I suggested is already apart of the law…..if so..then…why doesn’t everybody just stop paying taxes……and property taxes….etc……???
Gene – correct. It would take a LOT more Americans than those on the fringe, like us, to demand an end to the current taxation schemes to see any real change, and so long as most Americans tune in to CNN, MSNBC, and even Fox News (and of course their local “news”), we’ll never see a real change like that anytime soon. Our “fringe” numbers will slowly keep growing, but we’ve got to find a way to wake the masses from their trance.
I hope this message gets to ron paul……..I propose a new law….
“that we the people abolish the right of government to collect taxes with the exception of taxes needed for national security….however any taxes collected for national security shall also be limited on the basis of any fraud….mismanagement….theft….over paying on equipment….exploitation of companies overcharging the tax payers….for equipment…..etc…detected by the tax payers…”
why….this law….because this is root of all our problems….this means no money for the feds….no money for all government employees…..they too are part of the problem…as a matter of fact they are the problem…….all those on the government payroll…..this also means no money for the senators….congress…..representatives….those who spend a lifetime making a carrer off of tax payer dollars…and do nothing under thier employment……this will force all government services to be paid at the local level by the choice of every individual….this puts the power of the dollar in the hand of every citizen….this will also force full automation of any services by automation and kick out the middle men which is government….
this includes the abolishment of property taxes….the abolition HOA POWERS…..which secretly work for the state, county, city, ISD powers….that allow the hoa to raise property values not in tuned with thier real values so that the taxing authorities benefit….this is what causes the real estate bubble to bust…they are the sole cause of the real estate problems……it’s not that people cant pay thier outrageous interest bearing mortgage…..but strangely everybody is silent when it comes to the other reason why people cant keep thier homes it is because they cant afford to pay thier outrageous property taxes….which this subject is so strangely kept quiet……
Gene, that is (was) the law. “Taxes”, “voluntary, self assessed tax” is for the function of government and its machinery ONLY.
Furthermore; “The difficulties arising out of our dual form of government and the opportunities for differing opinions concerning the relative rights of state and national governments are many; but for a very long time [including AFTER the passage of the Sixteenth Amendment] this court has steadfastly adhered to the doctrine that the taxing power of Congress does not extend to the states or their political subdivisions. The same basic reasoning which leads to that conclusion, we think, required like limitation upon the power which springs from the bankruptcy clause. United States v. Butler, supra.” [Ashton v. Cameron County Water Improvement District No. 1, 298 U.S. 513; 56 S.Ct. 892 (1936).
Once again I say; the ONLY way they can have jurisdiction over you, over your person, over your earnings on your labor is if you GAVE it to them. You signed contracts with a PRIVATE CORPORATION whose jurisdiction is ONLY the DoC and any FEDERAL TERRITORIES which DO NOT include UNION STATES. Right back to this audit issue; the Fed is a PRIVATE COMPANY doing business with a PRIVATE CORPORATION that charades as a functioning "constitutional" government which you all OBVIOUSLY know it is not by now! You cannot change its policy and you have made hidden agreements (contracts) to serve it and face penalties (loss of rights) if you fail to do so.
This "audit" will certainly cause a sh*t storm but it is doing nothing to set you free. ONLY congress can coin money. If it is unconstitutional for the Fed to exist, then why does it? Congress CANNOT grant that power of contract. ONLY the people can. The only way it can exist as a functioning entity is if the "government" allowed it. So, it is real easy to state that ALL federal personal who work in the capacity of government are traitors to the country for allowing this to continue! Easy enough right? Makes clear sense right? We all know (you should) what the constitution says right? Then why does EVERYBODY IGNORE IT?!?!?!?! Because you work for a private company and do not have those rights. Congress in a true, constitutional sense, does not exist. You are a "federal employee", you are a U.S. "resident"; 26 U.S.C. 7701(a)(39) and 26 U.S.C. 7408 (also U.S. person) you are a fed employee 26 CFR 31.3401(c)-1 and 26 USC 6331(a)) you are under federal jurisdiction as a resident of the DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA!!!! Your "privileges" that you confuse for "rights" [that you signed away with things like SS-5, W-4 or 1040's which are only for things like 26 U.S.C 864(c)(3)] are revokable under 42 U.S.C. 1981-1983!!!! Unless you are a sovereign under The Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, 28 U.S.C. 1605 and can invoke things like Diversity of Citizenship under Article III, Section 2 of the constitution then, you ass belongs to the machine and you have no voice and no rights!! Gonzo!
Stop trying to “fix” this with a band-aid. Smarten up, straighten it out, re-claim your sovereignty, stop paying into governmental franchises that force you to contract your rights away (social security) go buy a gun (no need to register or license a damn thing as a National. Not subject to “private, corporate law”. Simply don’t violate my protected rights and we are good but, those in “politics” who serve that “government”, funny thing, they don’t have rights either, so don’t feel bad dragging them out to the street corner to make an example out of them! They wouldn’t for you. Hell, they don’t afford you rights now!), pick up a rock, thread a noose, get with some buddies and go drag these bastards out of the buildings they hold court in and vote in some patriots.
Chris, as always, good stuff! But I’ve done a little research, and it seems that renouncing ones’ US citizenship is far from easy, and includes the need to become a citizen or be a citizen elsewhere – also not always easy, esp. if you owe Uncle Sam taxes.
Look, you’ve sold me on the value of doing it. I just don’t see the “how” of doing it, when the powers that be clearly don’t want us to do it.
If my meager research is flawed, please point me in a more accurate direction.
All my best.
Kevin
I think he said to become a National (not renouncing US citizenship) There is a difference, as a National has his rights here in the States, but if you go become a citizen somewhere else, you are subject to that country, whatever that country may be… And if they can prove you renounced your citizenship to avoid taxes, you are in worse shape then before…
As I understand it, being a National means you are essentially a “non-citizen” American, or non-naturalized American. To go from a citizen to a National, one must renounce or lose their citizenship – this is my understanding. If I’m wrong, please explain.
“Non-Resident Alien” is your term. You are a transient foreigner, a non-u.s. citizen not subject to federal or state (corporate) private law. You are an American, a Patriot.
You can’t “renounce” citizenship. You can’t have a domicile in a federal territory. There is a lot to learn but, if I push enough, you will. You have to. It is the ONLY way you’ll get your country back and protect your self.
“The Legal Basis for the Term “Nonresident Alien” by Gerald Alan Brown, Ed.D. Through Distressed Publishing Trust.
M’Culloch v. The State of Maryland et al. 17 U.S. (4 Wheat.) 316; 4 L Ed. 579 (1819)
Wesley Snipes? Ha! They just “hushed that up”. He was too high profile to keep pressuring him. He was in his right.
“There have been a significant number of cases in recent years wherein the judges of the federal courts ignore the foregoing body of law. But the arguments presented here cannot honestly be ruled as “frivolous” because this is the documented basis of our heritage and of our political and judicial history. For the courts today to say that a citizen of any one of the states of the union who is not a citizen of the federal government cannot be a “nonresident alien” with respect to the federal government denies the fundamental nature of the American political system and is fundamentally unAmerican.
Whenever a federal bureaucrat or a judge denies the claim of “nonresident alien” made by an American citizen, it must be remembered that these bureaucrats and judges are human and make mistakes. Consider the circumstances of black Americans who struggled for nearly 100 years to make the 14th Amendment effective for themselves. Consider that the expression “separate but equal”, which was created by Massachusetts law in the 1850’s, was adopted by the U.S. Supreme Court to be law of the land at least eight times over a span of some 70 years before the justices became enlightened enough and brave enough to acknowledge the truth about that contrived principal. A similar struggle may be required by those citizens of the states of the union who make the “nonresident alien” argument. To win this argument, many more Americans need to become aware of the legal basis for the term and it needs to be presented in a broader, more comprehensive setting than the courts are currently willing to acknowledge and report. And the argument needs to be carried back to the courts with greater clarity until the federales “get it”. Education is our most important ally. Remember, it isn’t over until we win.”
Skip on over tho the IRS site and get your self a SSA-521 form. Send your employer a W-8BEN (you’ll need to modify it but, the SS sez’ you can so, it’s all good. Stop calling yourself a tax-payer. You have no “permanent residence”. How could you? You’ll either move or die some day.
You can’t earn “wages” under the SS Act 3121(a) of the IRC.
You are not allowed to use a W-4 or a SS # for ANYTHING.
You can use a 4029 form but, NEVER allow a form to call you a “tax-payer”.
Sorry, you are not eligible for SS (You can be; see Social Security Program Operations Manuel, section GN 00303.001 (Just for you Joe, you crazy toy making Amish guy!)), Medicaid, Medicare, unemployment or ANY federal or State benefit. Want some one to take care of you? Call your mom, not New Hampshire’s responsibility to support California.
But all this means NOTHING if you do not learn, read, educate. They got your ass. And you keep offering them more.
The Federal Reserve definitely needs to go. We can do without it, we just need to oust it. While we are at it the good old boy politics in Washington needs to go also. You hear a lot out of Washington about how everyone needs to tighten their belt. But, you never hear about the Congress or Senate taking a wage cut or expense cut. The vote of the people needs to be restored to the people. We are a smart society, we do not need a few electorials
to tell us how we should be goverened. It is all about responsibility and it is high time we take the responsibility back. The elected positions of our government were never intended to be a JOB. All politicians have become to comfortable at the expense of the tax payers (THE PEOPLE). We don’t need two parties dividing the pot and back fighting about who is the best. They have forgot who they are representing. It is once again time for the people.
Banking rights for $450mil? I made the comment. It is in the contracts. Good luck getting congress to do such a thing. They don’t work for you. The work for a private corporation with awesome benefits that they are not willing to give up. Your government and the Federal Reserve work together. It is not opinion, it is not a conspiracy theory, it is not semantic interpretation. It is bold face fact shoved on you every day. You see it in the news, you read it in their reports. You can’t escape it. They lie and lie and lie, to you, to each other to them selves. They have successfully divided the masses so we cannot organize. It has gotten so out of control that they them selves don’t know what is going on. They don’t even realize they are the slaves. Ignorant asses. It is a tragic comedy at this point.
I want me country back, and I want it now. Read, investigate and educate.
I have NO DOUBT that if Thomas Jefferson somehow came back to life and spent 48 hours looking at our state of affairs, he would immediately start organizing an armed rebellion to take over Congress and the White House from the enemy invaders. Our country today makes the England we raised arms against look like an Eden of Liberty!
Nah, before he could get started, some prostitute would claim they were having an affair and then some no-body would claim they were doing drugs together and the media would run its typical smear campaign.
Stop thinking Thomas Jefferson or any other founding father would be appalled, of course they would. We “allowed” our government to be exactly what they tried to protect us from.
Be appalled your self and do what those patriots would have done; Organize, educate and take action. It needs to start here, that’s why we all visit Ron Paul, because we believe that is the next, forward step.
We’ll do this by voice first, and you know well what happens if we are not heard,….we will be felt. Remember, you are not petitioning a government, you are petitioning a private corporation that makes money off each and every one of us and they will not let that go easily. We do not have a functioning, constitutional government. That’s not opinion, it is fact.
I would think marriage and driver licenses are pertinent to the post, they are examples of hidden laws and contracts that people are unaware of in every day life. Exactly mirroring the idea to audit the fed. Every one is on board to do it but, they apparently haven’t gotten involved enough to understand the nature of that beast and the actual issue at hand in doing it. Most aren’t aware of what the fed is, who made that contract, how they came about. The same company that invited them is the same company that issued those private laws that control “licensing”. Both the fed and the private, Corp. U.S. are working together so, for some one to say the government should step in and audit the fed, well that is just silly because in essence that would be the government revealing their true nature, yea, it’ll go over well when the people get an accounting that the fed is collecting 100% of their tax and SS in interests from the loans they, basically, made to them selves, or for some one to say the people have a voice and should be able to force such an inquiry, well, that’s just silly as well. Telling your employer that they run the company wrong? You get fired. You can’t vote Billy, down in the mail room, into the CEO position, no matter how many cube farm varmints protest but, if we were free and held stake in that company, we could fire the CEO. We are just peons though. (Most probably think that means “pee-on”, look it up…)
I’m honestly surprised that some one hasn’t claimed to have pictures of Ron Paul with naked transvestites in Cuba to discredit the man. I tell you what though, even if they did, it’s none of my business. Focus on the country and the issue at hand. I don’t care if he wears whipped cream and call him self Sally. For as long as the country’s interests are handled….
Chris, I was wondering about someone making a comment about the Fed buying the “rights” to print up the currency we now use for 450M a 100 years ago, with a clause to allow us (the Congress) to buy that right back for said amount… is that something we should look into? Not that i want to give them 450M, but really, it would seem like a small price to pay to sent them packing.
this is re: Chris Baldinelli Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:37 am
“You can’t “audit” the Fed. It is in their contract”
(see above)
What’s his name, Irwin Schiff? He’s in prison for tax evasion. He used a 1040 form and claimed 0 earnings. Only federal employees are to use that form, not private citizens. Form sez’ not for private use right on it. By using that form, he stated he was a federal employee and subject to income tax and then in essence, he lied by telling them he had none. Such a smart, sharp guy doing such a dummy.
You can’t use their forms to state you didn’t earn income. The mere use of the form implicated a tax liability (a 1040NR was what he should have used and the IRS has forms for W-2 corrections, you can’t simply “re-file” again). He also got “nabbed” with jurisdiction; his “domicile”, his “permanent residence” created presumption for jurisdiction. Think of it like this; you cannot have a permanent address because you will either move some day or die. It’s those little things, that “word-art” they use that seems so common place but has very specific meaning.
There are NO forms for non-taxpayers. You do not need any. You may need to defend your status though but, no one else but you can claim who you are. They’d have to prove otherwise and they do that if you make a mistake, like, using their forms of allowing them to presume jurisdiction.
That was really sad but, we learn….
Yes that is the name, and I always thought, he must have done something wrong cause i tried his stuff, and always ended up having to pay 500 dollars “frivolous” tax return fees. Now I just do it the way they want me to till I get myself in a position to do all this correctly, but I want to be fully informed before I make any move.
As for marriage, I got married in court by a Justice of Peace, so, would I have to go through a divorce or some other process to dissolve the marriage “legally” to be married in “common law”? I been thinking about that for a while too.
Yea, you can get a “quick” divorce. That’s easy. Just make a satisfactory agreement with your wife to continue the marriage and witness and record it.
By the way, some folks are saying that this marriage and driver’s license stuff has nothing to do with the subject at hand. In a way it does. We need to be awakened to ALL the crap our government has pulled on us in the last 100 years to get used to the idea that they have something much bigger planned for next hundred years.
I’m amazed at the people who will admit that they think the government lies and then they’ll turn around and say, “But they’d NEVER lie about 9/11….or the Iraq war, or…???..” Really? The Federal Reserve is a lie, the IRS is a lie, and most of what comes out of the government’s mouths are lies. So now that they’ve clearly demonstrated their ability, willingness, and desire to lie, many times over, one might nearly have to take a stand on one side of the fence or the other.
I for one choose the “liberty” side. But I also realize….there won’t be much help.
By the way Joe, I didn’t reiterate, If you claim a “National” status and are no longer under Federal jurisdiction after going through that process, and are no longer a slave,…I mean tax-payer, ( see prior reply; July 29th 2009, 10:32a.m.) The ONLY income that you can claim/earn is what the federal government gives you (SS payments). Basically, work your self silly, make as much as you can (see “trade or Business” and “income” definitions)and you still can only claim the federal benefit/SS payments as income. At that point, only federal payments qualify as “gross income” or “taxable income” so, I guess that would answer; “What the heck do I get out of this?”. You will still need to learn how this applies to you, personally and how much you would not have to give to the Fed or state out of your “non-income, non-wage” earnings weekly.
When you start receiving benefits, it is calculated on what you have put into it up to date. You’ll need help,..ugh, “legally” to make sure you maintain the payments. Being that you are already neck deep into this aspect, you certainly know more about the procedure than I could guess at.
Just a thought….hope it helps, you’ll need to learn more.
True, the guy from “paynoincometax.com” (a political prisoner) says that income is defined as “corporate profit’ so that make perfect sense.
So I could still collect SS and claim to be out of the System? that is confusing, cause I would like to cut them out of my life as much as I can. I do work, and make money as a toy maker, but the SSI/SS payments are actually more then what I get for actually working. I also make youtube videos, and make money from that, and a few other online businesses. I am buying this land with 2 trailers too, paid it off, but may need to file a suit to get my deed as I mentioned before. Once I get the property deal done though, I would like to clear my self from any connection to the Fed in any way I can. I knew when I left the Amish that there is a way to do it, but I never really got the right info on what to do to not get into their system. When I was 16, I ran away and lived with my mom’s 2nd cousin, and it was there that I was taken to the SS office to get that number.
If I wanted to give back my own SSN, in order to get myself declared a National, I guess that means if I did the same for my wife and kids, their SSI/SS may stop? But if I leave theirs as-is, they can continue to collect?
Anyway I am rambling here, but wanted to know if you could email me about something, the website when you click my name goes to a form where you can email me.
Are you for real?!?!?! A run away, Amish, toy maker?!?!?! Oh man, it hurts! Make it stop!! Are you trying to get the deed to the Island of Misfit Toys?!?! O.K., sorry, that’s wrong of me but, it does seem a bit humorous from the out side.
I’ll try to give you the information you request. We need to stop posting this stuff in this forum, we are getting too far away from the Fed. audit issue.
LOL OK, ya I just wanted to ask you a private question, hopefully something big can come out of all this
You can’t get out if you depend on the benefit. Done deal however, a “National”, free citizen CAN receive SS benefits if you pay into the system. Again though, you need to understand the contract you make with the government. I don’t know enough about that procedure for your situation, sorry.
How to pay the bills? If you didn’t pay income tax or SS tax, how much extra would had been in your monthly earnings? You still need to save and invest, you can have insurance but, your hardship, I do not know enough about. There is quite a bit to learn and I am doing my best to learn what applies to my situation and my family.
What do you get out of this? I’m sorry Joe. If we were all free and weren’t consumer slaves spending half our earnings for private bail-outs, I’d like to believe you’d have help. If you were my neighbor, and I prospered (even if I didn’t, i’d do what I could and you don’t need to hang that on Christianity or any thing else, it is just the right thing, as a person, a Patriot and an American), and had more time for life than slavery, I’d visit you and I’d help, and I’d hope that the community, with good values, would help but, in the state we are in, and it is getting worse as we pay more to our own states who in turn pay more out to the fed. and receive pennies on the dollar back for our own needs, we are less able to help our brothers as we struggle for our own survivals. This is the sad truth.
Sadly, the issue at hand with you collecting, once you read who qualifies for SS; you may or may not, and then you may realize that the benefit can be discontinued at any time. Not to scare you with the truth but, these are my concerns; how to protect my self. I will gladly help my neighbor with out question but, I am refusing to be forced to.
Property rights; well, this is interesting. Property cannot be bought or sold, only granted. You “buy” real-estate, which is every thing on the land. (Make note that when you are required to put “permanent address” on forms, you cannot actually have one but by saying it is, it becomes presumption for jurisdiction to the Fed. or State, but onward..) I am told, read, am to understand that you require a “land patent” but, that can only be granted by the president (or proxy) and due to us not having a constitutional government (president) you can never be granted land rights. That should end it there. (It is NOT in the capacity for, say, the IRS to put a lien on your property. The have no power to do that although they try to and threaten people that they can. They have no power to do so. If you don’t’ know the law, good luck fighting it.)
You’d need to get an abstract from your mortgage company to get going with a Land Patent. You can Google the process, there are plenty of people who want to take your money to do that for you but, I feel, you should learn how to do it your self and do it. You can skip down to the county recorder and see if they have listed, any one who may have had that patent for your parcel last. If the clerk even knows what you are talking about. It has been held by the Supreme Court that a Land Patent will not be defeated. Yup, you can get one even though you have a mortgage but remember, that does not relieve you from the mortgage contract you made. They may not be able to take your land for failure to pay but you will be committing fraud. NO one can claim your land or lien against it if it is patented to you. Patents cannot be sold or bought, they can only be passed or granted.
In time of war, the government can use it (your land), that’s about it but, no unconstitutional government has that right or power,….unless you are a federal employee (tax-payer).
In my opinion, you should pay property tax. That is how you are to help support your local government and your town’s needs. Keep in mind though, again the Supreme Court has ruled tax is not debt. You property cannot be claimed if you do not pay tax,…unless you are a federal employee (tax-payer).
Sales tax, excise tax and property tax as well as import/export tax is how your state is supposed to legally support it self, not on the back of your labor, not with contracts between the federal government on your behalf.
Now, I am not sure what binds the private corporation we serve in this “Patent” matter. I have not “finished” with my study on that. I don’t know if you can “legally” acquire a patent and still bind them to observe it. Like it has been said; there is so much going on, it almost drives you mad trying to learn all of it.
As far as an actual deed,…you should simply need to file for it through the town hall once you have a copy. I have my actual one. Interestingly enough, the wife just got it about two weeks ago, for another pertinent matter.
I hope this helps some what Joe.
I am not a professional, I am not a lawyer, I am a working slave trying the best for my family and am outraged by what has happened to our country and people and what is being done to us. I am more angered as I learn more but, I am learning and, in that, I am learning how to change it, and I am trying my best to in any way I possibly can. I do not know more nor am I better than any one else. I’ll be happy to try to help any one find the information they seek, as through trial and error, I’ve probably stumbled through it already. Please don’t try to use me as a resource. It must be said, you cannot believe any thing I tell you or suggest, I may be wrong, or I may be wrong in your situation but I think I might know enough to help start you in the right direction.
I am a Patriot. I believe in America and the American people, and I know that is a crime against the State, but I’ll declare it any way.
Let’s get Ron Paul in. He may not be able to do it all but, he’ll be our first, public step to take down the machine from within. Many are doing their parts, at great risk to them selves. We all must do something.
“it has to start some where, it has to start some time. What better place than here, what better place than now?”
I’ve used up way more than my 15 minutes, let’s get back to abolishing the Fed. Let’s pay attention to how they prepare to dance around this audit. Let’s see who “they’ “appoint” as the “successor”! Let’s listen to what lies they create to make the public think something was done.
Kevin,
Are you kidding me? I can’t even begin to tell you how blown my mind is! I am still learning. I know what I typed seems almost ordered chaos. There is so much though. Each time I think I’m ready to kick some butt, I find I need something else.
Being a lawyer? Got news for you, you don’t need one and shouldn’t use one, in general. You do not “represent yourself” when you “are” yourself. Make confusing sense? You simply need to know basic law and procedure. Procedure obviously being most important, mostly so you know when some one is hanging your rights out to dry and how to keep that from happening.
Law is very particular as well. I started on this “task” on how to get my country back. What I thought might be six months of research, at most, is becoming better than a few years and has me eye-ball deep in law.
Here’s a little kicker to further make you say “huh?”; speed limits have been ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court. “What?!?!” you say? “Then how do I get a speeding ticket?”. Well, you shouldn’t be bombing down a 30mph @ 70, you are endangering others but (life liberty and pursuit of happiness, don’t violate anyone’s and you are good), who is to tell you that 80 isn’t safe on the highway? What determines your ability or your vehicles ability? How can state troopers scoot down the road @ 90? how is that fair? You can’t take from one and enrich the other (constitution). Well, just like that marriage comment about the license, if you apply for a driver’s license, you volunteer to be subject to private law. You have effectively told the state that you need to be observed and managed. You have waived your rights. See ya’ 4th amendment.
Matter of fact, “license and registration please” violates your 4th amendment. But you waive that right when you apply for a license. Really screwed huh?
The best “advise” I can give is, know every thing about what you are about to do. If you miss one thing, it’ll throw you back in the system and you will be liable and prosecuted.
Side note, I called two credit card companies I used. Told them I changed my status to a “Non-resident, non-individual, national, union state citizen” (lol, that’s a lot off the tongue!) “National” will suffice. I told them I have no SS# any longer and that this account cannot be associated with that identification. One company informed me that the account must be closed at once, the other said “no problem, we don’t use that number for identification any way”. Why do they ask for it to begin with?
My current bank said it is required to have an account, the bank down the street said I just need to file a W-8BEN and show proof of identity (mortgage statement, military I.D., license, passport etc.). An account with no SS# is not subject to the Patriot Act. It is not “government property”, the bank cannot report any transactions to any one (although they may need to be educated about that as most people don’t deal with such things). Withdraw or deposit $10k in cash, no one can know. It violates the Privacy Act.
As far as your children, you have 30 days from when they turn 18 to bail out of SS (assuming you already got them SS#s). The only thing you’ll need to do to keep them out of the system forever, is change you status. NEVER use their SS# for ANYTHING or let them either. It isn’t theirs to use. You don’t need it for credit (Fair Credit Reporting Act.) you don’t need it for ANYTHING but government benefits. It is ILLEGAL for any one but the government to ask for or to use that number and, you are only holding that number in trust for them any way.
It’s easy to put a stop to all this for our children. The hard part is getting your self out of the system. Particularly where almost every thing you come across is a hidden contract that sucks you back in. Even a passport application. Right to travel is a right, not a privilege. If you don’t know what the definitions of the words are in that contract, it’s your own fault. You have the right to contract, and you have the right to create your own contract and definitions of it. “They” do it to you, you have the same right to do it to them. All men are created equal and no government is above you. You have the right to associate or NOT associate with the government. They just hide the “how to not associate” part but, it is still there.
Again, not a lawyer? Lawyers and legislatures work hard to make sure you don’t understand the law so they can be lawyers. Take the IRC for instance,..good luck making sense of that. It is done purposely.
A educated man makes a poor slave.
Good luck.
Mr. Balls, I have a question: 2 of my 3 daughters get SSI, and my wife gets Social Security disability every month now… (In May we got a total of about $30,000 from them, mostly from back pay for 2 years that we were fighting for it…).
I am just wondering how the heck I would get out of all this (and if I do, how am I going to make enough to pay the bills, but that is another story).
Also I am wondering about property rights, I am currently getting ready to fight for the deed to this property that I bought (with this money from Social Security), but since they also TAX the land cause you don’t own it, they just give you privileges on said real property, I am wondering if you have looked into how I could get the real deed after I get the “copy” deed?
I am not a lawyer, and have not studied this too much, but would like to know more. (my uncle is really into this, you would be great friends if you met!)
Wow, great! That youtube link saved us time! Basically, we went bankrupt. A government cannot take out a loan. Who is going to give a loan to a broke country with no collateral, particularly where they cannot grant things they don’t own, like land? In steps (or from the waiting shadows) a bank.
“What have you got?”,
“We’ve got people.”
“Well, how do we get the people to be willing collateral?”.
“Hmmm, well we can tax them during war time but no more than two years and it has to be voluntary but, patriots will want to support their government and country.”
“Not enough, we need more”.
“We need to figure out how to make them pay forever.”
“Well, we can’t force them but, we can make them think they need to. We can’t break laws or violate the constitution but, we can trick them into doing it them selves.”
“Brilliant!”
“Well, lets say that this private corporation we just made, to do business for the people, can make it’s own rules. Let’s say that every one employed within this corporation must pay a tax!”
“Let’s some how make every American an employee and subject to that rule”.
All “Tax-Payers” are “public officers”.
The tax is upon a “trade or business”, which is defined in 26 U.S.C. 7701(a)(26) as the “functions of a public office”.
You cannot earn “income” unless an information return is filed against you and 26 U.S.C. 6041(a) says that these information returns cannot lawfully be filed against you unless you are engaged in a “trade or business”.
Those not engaged in the “trade or business”/”public office” franchise and not receiving government payments cannot earn “gross income” or “taxable income”. (Makes you wonder why every thing you do comes with benefit “strings” from the government?).
Those eligible for Socialist Security are referred to in the code as; “Federal Personnel”. See 5 U.S.C.552a(a)(13). Don’t forget to see who owns that SS#; 20CFR 422.103(d).
Basically, and so I don’t need to go down this hole as it is very deep, you got tricked. You were promised to be taken care of, just sign up for SS and we’ll make it all better. The government takes care of you in Communism. In a Republic; the people take care of the government.
Oh but wait, they cover their a$$ with 18 U.S.C. 912 that states it is a crime to impersonate a “public officer” and being that congress does not have the power to create public offices,….who are you gonna bitch to? It’s our own fault for just doing what we are told.
“Any one entering into an arrangement with the government takes the risk of having accurately ascertained that he who purports to act for the government stays within the bounds of his authority, even though the agent him self may be unaware of the limitations upon his authority.” [Federal Crop Insurance v. Merrill, 332 U.S. 380-388 (1947].
In a nut shell, you work for a private corporation and you cannot change the policy of that company.
How do you fix it? Ain’t easy. The IRC in NOT law but a private code. You would need to dump any association with the “government” and that includes any participation with the franchise; unemployment, medicaid, medicare or what ever your State calls it’s benefit, any type of “government” grants, you’d need to drop out of SS, you can get the forms right off their site, you need to know the form number, they don’t tell you they have any, and they don’t tell you the only way they can use private money for public use is if you offer it with a W-2 attached to a 1040 “gift statement” that converts a class 5 tax to a class 2, and they don’t tell you that they cannot compel you to sign a W-4 agreement to withhold per 26CFR 31.3401(a)-3(a), 26CFR 31.3402(p)-1.
You cannot have a driver’s license and you don’t need one. You have the right to travel. You’ll require a passport but you’ll need to be declared a “National”. You cannot have domicile on any federal territory (which is just a state of declaration). You cannot use a SS#, it isn’t yours to use and it is illegal to use it for ANYTHING but a function of public office. Consider this, you open a bank account with that #, that account is the property of the U.S. Government because you opened it in the capacity of a public office. (Oh and, by the way, you don’t need permission from any one but your wife’s father to get married. When you get a license for marriage, you are telling the state that you are incompetent and need their supervision. That, in turn, means anything created in that marriage (children) are supervised by the state, they are custodians. You, as a parent/guardian, and that term on forms is deliberate, have no rights to those things created in the marriage if the state deems you unfit, which you already told them you are when you asked them for permission to be married. Phucked huh?).
You cannot file tax returns or for refunds if you cannot earn income or wages, doing so tells them you are subject to the code. Even one of the forms require you to “admit” you are a taxpayer when you back out of SS. (There are three forms I know of, I don’t have em’ handy and I really need to get back to work. I have em at home and could tell you later). You’d need to file, if you did, a 1040NR and you;ll need to provide employers with a W-8BEN but, it isn’t all that easy. There is far more to it.
There is no “social security fund”. All you tax and social security is used to pay the interest on loans that the private corporation takes from the Federal Reserve for their own purposes.
Oh yea, how about; take a few billion in loans out, put the burden of interest on the American People and use that money to bail out the banks that the bank you just took the loan out from, owns? Nice. Nothing you can do because you are an “employee” and cannot vote on it.
Oh this goes on but, you cannot believe me, or any one else. You MUST learn the truth for your self.
You are supposed to be FREE. No government has jurisdiction over you unless you contract it. “They” tricked you into contracting your rights away. You have none. Find in the IRC what a “U.S. Citizen” is. I bet you’ll think it isn’t you!
You do not have a constitutional government. The majority of the states are involved in “trade or business” with the U.S. government. Congress are “employees” and do not serve your interests. It/they are foreign to the constitution and free people.
How does the media “black out” information? Follow the money. Media out lets are owned. I didn’t here a peep about Ron Paul running for President out here on the East Coast. No out covered him. It is sickening how the media is used to mis-inform and control. Watch a news story that there is a shortage of bread or milk and watch thousands of sheeple run to Wal-Mart to buy up all that is there. Tell the people that the swine flu is the black death of the century and watch how much money gets dumped into government sponsored drug companies while millions line up for something they did no research on. How many people in government have their hands in big business that prosper from these lemming runnings? Watch all these “bills” getting passed and find out what is in them. Quite a bit has nothing to do with the proposals, quite a bit has more to do with creating a more powerful police state.
I need to stop, or find a soap box forum.
What can you do? LEARN THE TRUTH!
Rememeber, they cannot break the law, they cannot take away your rights (the can try by force and have the media say you are an extremist or domestic terrorist)but the CAN trick you into doing it your self. Ignorance of the law is no excuse and that rings very true.
Partying on the train to Auschwitz, VR? Oh yea, I’m on the “red” list now for certain. There’s a FEMA camp nearby for every one. By law, just for me typing this, I am now a terrorist and can be detained indefinitely without formal charge. Think we are free?
I wonder how the FED is going to re-organize? The “people” need to be satisfied some how and there needs to be a pony show to make them think they had a voice and could assert some control. I Bet Bernake is getting nervous that he is going to end up like a washed up soap star, with a brain tumor.
With politicians who rock the boat and get out of line, they all get exposed for having affairs, that’s been working for years. C’mon guys, that’s getting old can you come up with something new?
We need to re-install a constitutional government for the people, by the people and proceed to round up and hang every one of the traitors to the American people. We need to reach out to the other , foreign governments and let them know that we have all been pawns pitted against each other for the profit of a select few. We need to get their help in hunting down these “terrorists” and bringing them to justice, AND HANG BY THE NECK UNTIL DEAD, EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM AS A MESSAGE TO ANY AND ALL WHO MIGHT ATTEMPT TO PERPETRATE SUCH AN ATROCITY IN THE FUTURE.
Nancy, Barney and the rest of you, you reading this? No country will grant you asylum when the revolution comes to fruit. You will not be able to hide. Any of you. It’s just a race now, for the people to either wake up in time or for your final solution to take effect. I hope we wake up first. I want my children to know what patriotism is about. I want them to be proud that their father assisted in the taking back of his country. I want the history books for our generations to come to know the power of the people. The revolution that made us free, will make us free again.
Chris, my name is Kevin. I’m a husband and a father of 2 toddlers, and I live in Southern California. You are really opening my eyes, but it’s a LOT to swallow all at once. I will read through everything several times, and research it all as I can – you have my word on that. I am not a lawyer, and that makes it all the harder, but I’ll do my best.
THANK YOU!
I once challenged a prosecutor on the marriage license thing. I reminded him that the Illinois Revised Code openly admits that no law has ever been passed requiring someone to get a marriage license. He repeatedly stated that my marriage would not be valid but I showed him in state law that I could force it to be validated. Finally in the end he said that he would go after the minister who marries us.
I told him that the minister would not have a license and would not be subject to the UCC code that states that any LICENSED minister who marries someone without having been presented with a marriage license is in violation of a 3rd degree misdemeanor and would be subject to a $500.00 fine and/or 30 days in jail. They don’t have any laws like that concerning “unlicensed ministers”. He almost flipped out and ended up saying he’d cross that bridge when he came to it. I advised him that he was already at that bridge. In the end he lost the argument.
To do everything the legal way, you must state your intention to marry this person (ad in major news publication for 3 weeks or so), they begins using your last name, you both live together as man and wife for 6 months, have an exchange of vows before a “man of the cloth” who gives you a marriage certificate with his signature and the signatures of 3 others per marrying person as witnesses to the vows. Then you simply go to the courthouse with your evidence of marriage and they HAVE to register your marriage to the other person. That’s called “common law marriage”. Anything else in my opinion is, “uncommon law”
As I understand so far, without a marriage license you are not subject to the rule and regulations of “family court”. Without one they have to settle it the old fashion way. You give up a lot of rights with a marriage license.
How did they get these ministers to get licenses when the 2nd amendment says congress shall make no laws respecting (or favoring) any religion or prohibit the free exercise thereof? Which basically means that no one has the power to deny or grant any kind of license for any kind of religion.
What I’ve figured out so far is…..they offered them some illegal tax breaks. Every states constitution prohibits giving any any special gifts to any religious organization but these “ministers” enjoy tax breaks on everything from buying a car to real estate. They have special parking downtown for “clergy members”. Oh ya! If you’re “licensed” minister you get all the perks. Now you can’t even get into an institution like a prison to minister unless you have a license. Isn’t that a violation of religious freedom in itself?
I also believe that legally…….It’s not a valid marriage. Because you also married the state. That’s polygamy. A license infers permission or denial. How can they deny you? So why would you need one when they freely admit there’s no law that says you have to have one? I’m not a religious zealot or any of that. This is just an example of my findings so far.
I’ve also found that according to the constitution of the state of N.Carolina, the only reason you would need a drivers license is, if you were using the public roadways to make money such as a truck driver, or….a person who operates a food stand in the street….or a person who was moving a house or structure like a building.
Then you become a member of the U.C.C. (uniform commercial code) and thereby become subject to all laws, rules and regulations of the road under that title. That’s why you don’t have a right to a jury trial that involves a traffic stop. You go to municipal court. (UCC)
If I go to court because I couldn’t prove I had insurance (also unconstitutional because they should have to prove I don’t because they are the accusers) and then I also get charged with driving under suspension because they suspended my license because I didn’t prove I had insurance (wait! aren’t we innocent until proven guilty?)I’m not entitled to a trial. I have to get a lawyer and petition the court for a trial but meanwhile I sit in jail convicted. Wait….again! They accused me and I had to prove I was innocent?
Ya I wish everybody had insurance like me but you can’t force someone to buy a product from a private company or take away his liberty for something that hasn’t happened and for a “crime” that has no victim, and no right to a trial. This is just one example of Americans giving up freedom for security. And I, like Ben Franklin believe that those who allowed our criminal lawmakers to do this for the benefit of private businesses, deserves NEITHER!
Seat belt laws. It’s a good idea to wear a seat belt most of the time but I don’t think they really care if anyone gets killed in a car wreck? I don’t think they don’t care about you, your kids, or anyone else. I think they’re are saving the insurance companies a lot of money and collecting some extra revenue (seat belt tickets) for their treasury. Another law passed solely to benefit big business and greedy government.
That was a good post you made. It inspired this rant you just witnessed…..LOL…. I’m currently studying for the My bar exam. It took a real legal nightmare to wake me up. But I woke up and I’m learning a little more about them everyday. I’ve been called a nut more times than I can count but I’m finally starting to see other posts where someone else has figured it out too. Thanks for that post. My batteries have been recharged.
Awesome! You rock!
You have the right to contract, end of story. Want to get married,? ask her dad or make an agreement (one that would satisfy both parties incase of divorce because you cannot use “family court” as you mention), have it witnessed and file it at the county recorder. Done. It must be recognized as legal. You have the right and the power to contract.
Massachusetts has ruled already that a marriage is between a man, a woman and the State (polygamy!). (Damn I can’t remember that case name!!! I got it at home). The argument when you get nailed because the state is claiming jurisdiction over your marriage is simple; the nature of that contract was not revealed and was hidden, that makes it void on its face. Unlike the IRC which provides you with the code, it is up to you to figure it out though, but at least in MA, there is no information available on the nature of the marriage contract.
I am “in process” so, there is much I am not on top of yet. I am having a difficult time, but I am not so vested in it yet, to find an insurer to insure a “National” who does not require a license. You don’t “need” insurance but, to me that’s like seat belts; I wear em’, I make my passengers wear them (keeps them out of my lap if I need to try and control a vehicle in an accident!) but no one should be able to tell me I have to and fine me if I don’t! Seat belts, like speed limits are private law. My recent project is protecting my self from the State while driving as a private citizen. I just need some more time.
Also, you should be looking into diplomatic status. That’s a handy tool to end all arguments of presumption. If you are a National, you are foreign to the U.S. Government but a natural citizen of a union state. It would take a declaration of war to invade you or your property.
I’m going to research becoming a nationalist. Sometimes it seems that I learn something everyday no matter how hard I try not to…..LOL…So many people don’t understand that our founding fathers did NOT sculpt a “democracy” when they wrote the constitution. They sculptured a document declaring our LIBERTY! There is a vast difference. In a democracy 51% of the people can control my life. With liberty no one controls my life as long as I don’t hurt anyone else. In the same turn, freedom of speech does not mean you can yell, “FIRE” in a crowded theater any more than freedom of religion means you can sacrifice babies on some alter. It takes common sense to live free.
Keep posting and waking people up. I’m on board!
The constitution was framed specifically to keep government from doing what it is doing.
Partying on the Train to Auschwitz
You can start with the ‘Act of 1871′
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVsMUpPgdT0
Ugh, you are all (most) missing it. You cannot “audit” the Fed. They may be getting all upset about the bill but it is not because of an “audit”. It is because it will be revealed that they cannot be audited. That is the “truth” that they are concerned about being “found out”.
It is easy enough to discover this your self. You simply need to read the contracts and who is who. You cannot petition the “government” as it is ruled a “corporation” by the supreme court. It is also a “private” corporation created by the constitutional government to do business for them/us (take loans, etc. which a government cannot do on behalf of the people) and that new corporation, “government”, was/is restricted to the DoC. Here’s the kicker; you are employed by that private corporation by electing to be a “tax-payer”. You will really benefit by reading (and understanding) the contracts we enter in the IRC.
If you question that, you need to ask how congress can convert private earnings into public use and how they can convert public funds to private use. It is illegal and unconstitutional, unless you agreed to it. We did. You need to read what happened and how. It is all available to you. Then we will truly be able to correct this abuse. It needs to be done legally and it needs to be done correctly. Education is key.
You cannot audit the Fed., and they know it. It is in the contract, that was also unconstitutional to enter. If people learn the truth for them selves,….there’s a lynching in the future. I hope it is soon.
However, being that the Fed. is a private company, does any one have an idea of how we could legally put a lien on them? I think they have over extended them selves and being that it is “tax-payer” money and they are a foreign company doing business in America,….maybe we could put a lien on them? Sound silly? Seriously. I’m open for suggestions.
This is the most intriguing post on here, in my opinion, especially if it’s true. Can you clarify a couple of things for me?
1) How did “we” agree to Congress giving power to the Fed originally?
2) Was it done under false pretenses, or was it done with full and honest disclosure?
3) How can we undo our consent, if in fact we gave it with full knowledge to begin with?
4) Why is media blacking out the subject, and how can we fix that?
5) If a crime and/or misinformation has been carried out by members of Congress and/or the Whitehouse, who can or will bring the perpetrators to justice?
Not sure if you have any of these answers, but I appreciate your attention to the questions. If you can’t answer them, perhaps you can suggest someone who can?
Do not know for sure Fed cannot be audited, but it sure can be put out of business. Congress authorizes their budget and all that has to happen. Fed, no more money. See you, bye, bye.
Issues relating to the Fed are essentially being blacked out by the media, but who the hell will investigate it? Even the Supreme Court has continually refused to hear cases on its legality! This may require a true revolution in the strictest sense, if justice isn’t made available anywhere else.
I voted “depends on what the audit reveals”, but I can only assume that they have their hands in some dirty business. I don’t like the fact that they can keep so many things secrets from the people that give them their money. So, if they are audited, we’ll see the results and if there’s even so much as one cent out of line, abolish them.
We all have favorite shows and/or programs. Three I like are Rush, Free Republic & McElvany. (There are others, Cheyenne and most Westerns). Viewed a McElvany video the other day. Next week his guest will be G. Edward Griffin author of ‘Creature from Jekyll Island’. Many of you are familiar with the story of the Fed founding. In view of Paul’s petition to have an audit of the Fed, I took another look at Griffin’s 45 minute video. It was more than a little disturbing in view of our present financial mess. My conclusion. Our government and the Fed are the two largest criminal organizations in America and maybe the world. And have been for 96 years. What these two organizations have done to our earnings and savings is criminal and is getting worse daily. At the same time both are becoming richer and more controlling. We are all going to be living in a serfdom and under the control of the money robber barons, sooner rather than later. It is time to wake-up, quit talking, take action and vote these groups out of business. We do not need the Fed. We do not need a self serving government. We need honest politicians who love America and put Nation first and their personal ambitions a distant second. Should we settle for less?
Audit the Fed.
Abolish the Fed.
Indict the Fed. and the IRS
Arrest the Fed. and the IRS
Prosecute and imprison the Fed. and the IRS.
Repatriate all fraudulently acquired wealth and property and make the Nation whole.
Be careful of the Butterfly effect. There is a reaction to every cause. Getting rid of the Fed won’t eliminate the Luciferians who run it and every other sinister organization. They’re all guilty of controlling the World. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t fight the injustice(s)! We need more strategy, patience and desire to succeed. Let’s not make uninformed decisions. As good as getting rid of that group sounds, it might leave us hanging with no money to defend ourselves if it becomes necessary. We ought to find a way to limit their power over us.
Audit first. The need to abolish this small little group of elite bankers will become self-evident.
Allowing them to have control over our monetary system in secret allows them to alter the course of our country, our lives, and our world in devastaing ways.
Alan Grayson Questions AIG Math: Let’s Change the Length of Inches So I’m Shorter!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6baBFKZETOE&feature=channel
Grayson Grills Citigroup CEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U73dfpQ4YGg&feature=related
The final days of the FED. Grayson is on the case.
Alan Grayson. He’s got the right approach and demeanor. He’s direct, commanding of the situation (interrogation, has a right to know and ask) and calculating, not whiney. He’s helping congress to see that they/we need to take the country’s power back by taking control of it’s monetary system. I think we will discover and confirm that they FED has been playing one nation against another all around the world for a very long time. When the number of lives lost in wars incited and financed by this little group of men, we will conclude that they are more than financially dangerous. They continually destroy our ability to live in peace…life, liberty and the purusit of happiness (for all people). Perhaps peoples in all nations will be “upset” when the truth is known, the elite banker’s popularity quickly overturned. Karma. What is it they say about paybacks?
Fed Lends Two Trillion Without Oversight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxuqmPyKqcs&feature=related
You can’t “audit” the Fed. It is in their contract. Review Bretton Woods Agreement. The Fed is not a government agency. It is an independant, foreign bank. “We” (unconstitutional, U.S. government with power limited to the DoC and federal territories)sold the bank rights to the banks for $450million with the provision that we could buy it back for that. So, just buy it back. Paper, fiat money is illegal. It has no value and no backing. Duh. (Makes you wonder who is trying to buy up all America’s gold?).
Barrack? Not a constitutional president. Born in Hawaii. Hawaii and Alaska are not states of the union and congress did not have in its capacity to induct them as such at that time. So, technically, and constitutionally, he cannot hold the presidential office. He can be president for “U.S. Corp.” but not as a constitutional president. Nor can he write executive orders as president. He has no power other than what the people afford him. Unless,…he is not “president”. In the capacity of a foreign corporation’s president, he can make the rules up as they see fit. We’ve all been duped. We’ve been lied to. You cannot be a U.S. Citizen and you are not eligible for SS. That is for private, federal personnel. Reclaim your “National” status and re-take your country and control, re-create your government. The power right now belongs to a private, foreign corporation that rules over you. Smarten up and read it for your self. They cannot break the laws but they can obscure them so you don’t know what they are. DOn’t be confused. We have the power to over throw a government that does not serve the people. There is no government to over throw. It is a private corporation and you are its collateral.
Who actually owns the Federal Reserve Central Banks? For those who think that the Federal Reserve is NOT privately owned, I invite you to research this data and correct me.
1. Rothschild Bank of London
2. Warburg Bank of Hamburg
3. Rothschild Bank of Berlin
4. Lehman Brothers of New York
5. Lazard Brothers of Paris
6. Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
7. Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
8. Goldman, Sachs of New York
9. Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
10. Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
Abolish the Vampire fed, ENOUGH SUCKING US ALL DRY, enough PRIVATE profiting at the expense of the people. NO MORE FIAT CURRENCY NAZIS…Kick it to the curb……Let the creature from Jekyll island DIE…..
Speaking of road trips, what about Bohemian Grove?
http://www.henrymakow.com/
longshotlouie Jul 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
“Speaking of road trips, what about Bohemian Grove?”
http://www.henrymakow.com/
I love a good road trip. We’ll kick some “owl” ass.
Could get slippery.
lol
We should introduce competing currencies again and just forget the idea of a central bank just like Montana has done……
Phase out the Fed if we have to by introducing competition into the market again, so we have gold/silver, liberty dollars, and real currency again.
The Federal Reserve wasn’t a Jesuit scheme, it was a scheme by Zionist Bankers.
A whole gaggle of Zionist Jews, Zionist Jesuits & Zionist Protestants……Mostly the former, created the Federal Reserve.
That scheme has bankrupted and nearly indebted everyone as a slave state to foreign governments (IE: Israel, Turkey etc.) and that scheme has more than worn its welcome with America
The Federal Reserve is a FRAUD
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/mcfadden.html
Audit it immediately and get your senators on board. Find out what they’re doing so we can act on real changes & not blind faith…..
Author: Mark
Comment in part: “Children must be taught in detail from the earliest age about the United States Constitution, so that they have it in their heads, what freedom is, what are your rights! so as to never let this happen to America.”
If you want to leave your children with a legacy, this is how you do it. We should demand that our schools teach this the same as math and “English”. Imagine a school where the kids say the Pledge of Allegiance every morning before class starts and then they enjoy an hour of “Constitution 101″. There are private schools that do this very thing. Their students hold tops honors in ALL state competitions, they are more successful as small business owners, they have a drastically lower rate of incarceration or suicide, they have one tenth the divorce rate, and their children follow their example. No law enforcement agency tramples their rights simply because most of them know the constitution better than the average lawyer you see in court these days.
Sadly I believe that we don’t have that, because we don’t demand that. Maybe we should introduce a proposal that would become law, that this is a required course for basic education or you don’t graduate. That would truly be an investment in America.
We called that class ‘Civics’, back in the day.
I hope to god that we win this one. Kennedy was killed trying to save America, by giving the powers of the FED back to the government with that Executive Order (of which I don’t remember the number) signed in June or July 1963. I believe that is the reason he was assassinated a few months later. And its funny, the conspiracy behind JFK’s assassination, is very similar to that of 9/11.
Not only should we abolish the FED but, we must arrest the Rockefeller’s and the Rothchild’s of this world. Let’s let them know that they are not in charge, America belongs to the people! Hopefully it’ll be “We the People” again, and not “We the Blind Sheep”. God bless America, the great nation that I am so proud to be a citizen of, but that I have to see fall to pieces at the hands of those disgusting control freaks!
Take care everyone.
“Kennedy was killed trying to save America, by giving the powers of the FED back to the government”
Your entire comment was very moving to me. I believe that Johnson was in it up to his “red Texas neck”. Don’t get me wrong….I have a new respect for Texas rednecks after the “Chuck Norris” experience….LOL…I was in a bar in Texas and saw a pair of boots in the corner with a shirt and a pair of jeans laying on them. I said what anyone red-blooded Yankee would say….”Hmmm…looks like a Texan with the shit kicked out of him”….There was not one Texan in that bar that wasn’t involved in the ensuing fight that took place shortly after my comment was digested. After we all got out of jail we went straight to the “Big Boy” Restaurant to talk about all “the good parts” of the earlier fight. There was no shooting or stabbing, or later drive-bye shooting. Country folks don’t do that in Texas. But they DO…still use iodine….ouch! And, the cops did tell me that for a Yankee, I held my own…pretty good…..LOL
God bless Texas……and Ron Paul!
Call ahead next time. We’ll take you to a hayseed tailgate party. Fixin’s strictly home-made.
God Bless The Republic of Texas
I might just do that. Ya know, I went to a concert in Chandler Texas…east of Tyler….And I was absolutely astounded at the beautiful girls that were just….raisin hell….at a country music concert. Even the elderly were good lookin…..LOL…I went to a barbecue the next day in Coffee City and expecting to see a grill and a couple of people. There was a 55 gallon drum cut in half longways, so that half was the lid, and the other half held the coals. There was a whole pig, a huge box of steaks, about 4000 beers and 150 people or more….neighbors I guess?
Anyway, I had my guitar so I showed them how a yankee country boy does Garth, John Michael Montgomery, Travis Tritt, James House, Collin Raye, and a few others. I now have at least 100 places to stay when I visit Texas.
In Texas I found out that Someone doesn’t just die. “They open themselves up a worm farm”. A scoundrel is “greasy as fried lard”; a summer day is “hotter than a fur coat in Marfa”. Some women are “meaner than a skilletful of rattlesnakes”. Some guys are “so low they’d steal the nickels off a dead man’s eyes”. Some women “make a hornet look cuddly”. And some are “just meaner than a junkyard dog”.
One guy told the cop, I’d start a fight at the drop of a hat, “and then he’d drop it himself”. Not sure what all that means but as long as they was buyin, I was drinkin…..LOL…Either way, I had a blast. And hey, thanks for the invite. I’ll make sure I have my guitar.
Coffee City !! Lake Palestine !!
Have a house on the SE side of the lake.
Play carefully with those Texas Girls.
http://www.rhapsody.com/flaco-jimenez/partners/the-girls-from-texas/lyrics.html
Tell congress to Announce N.E.S.A.R.A, that’ll take care of everything that our government and other sectors i,e BANKS have robbed from the people of this country
Maybe a good place to start getting people enlightened is to make them aware of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, and how things were so different in this country prior to it. VERY few Americans today know anything about it.
If they knew we’d still survive without the Fed, and without Federal Income tax, if they knew these ideas were not just the talk of some fringe kooks but were real ideas that could be possible once again, then maybe we’d get more folks onboard with us.
I’m in favor of a presidential executive order to abolish the FED and the IRS.
While we’re at it with our wish list… An executive order to charge those who received bonuses and bailouts to pay for the bailouts immediately. The responsible parties should pay for their misdeeds and mistakes.
acording to the constitution, ther is no such thing as the federal reserve bank.
There was the smell of blood,
broken hearts and dying dreams
in the air when Americans
began to lose their jobs
and were foreclosed on.
The money, they said, had vanished
into the maw of the financial “crisis”
created so banks could suck up billions
in 401Ks, mutual and pension funds
in addition to the taxpayer bailout
and regurgitate it into the mint julep glasses
of CEOs and shareholders fanning themselves
while sitting on the financial plantation’s veranda,
living off the retirement
of the Middle and Working Classes,
and in the deep, dead of financial winter
will drink hot toddies and imported brandy
while wrapped in cashmere sweaters
by the comforting fire
of their remote and casual brutality.
by Vi Ransel
I sure hope someone comes out with some books or documents that will teach us how to do it right. That is, after the fed is abolished. How will we pay our bills? What will we use to pay for groceries? Ah, so many questions. Anyone know where I can go for the answers?
I forgot to add that the dollar when the Federal Reserve started is now worth 4 cents. That is the “BANKER TAX” that is leveled on each and every holder of a dollar. If you try to beat that in the fixed stock market, they will shear the sheep every 20 years or so. They are the biggest gangsters the planet has ever known. They make Hitler, Stalin, Mao look like corner thugs.
After getting rid of the Federal Reserve, we need to have the FBI investigate who is behind the criminal activity at the Federal Reserve, starting with the Traitor, Timmy G. They all need to be in prison, don’t forget Paulson. He is one of the big crooks. Stole our future and gave it to Goldman Sachs.
Woodrow Wilson is not only the ‘Great Satan’ that gave us the Federal Reserve and Personal Income Tax, he gave us even worse with the 17th Amendment. Prior to it, States appointed our Senators to Congress rather than publically elected. This kept a balance of power between State and Federal gov’t. With Senators loyal to their home states rather than special interests, there was great interest in preventing the Federal gov’t from becoming too powerful. With the 17th Amendment, not only were Senate seats virtually for sale to the biggest private campaign donors, the Federal gov’t was then free to expand to the growing monstrous bureaucracy it is today. Along with abolishing the Fed, we also need to abolish the 17th Amendment to truly get back on the path to the framework our founders had in mind.
“”Some economists have identified the Federal Reserve as the cause of the “boom and bust” cycle, while others insist that its continued existence is essential to preventing another Great Depression.”"
WHO IN THE FUCKING HELL IS WRITING THIS CRAP?
SOME? PREVENTING GREAT DEPRESSION?
I can only hope God will deal justice to he who wrote the words of this article.
The federal reserve created the great depression. Fed reserve came to power in 1913, inflated the moneysupply to ungodly levels (hence roaring 1920’s), then rapidly deflated the moneysupply in 1930’s.
All honest economists are strongly against the fed, and their goddamned owners.
It’s a poll, not an article, and the introduction was written in a balanced way to present both sides of the issue. Many mainstream economists who were trained under the current system genuinely believe in the Federal Reserve, and simply accusing them of dishonesty without acknowledging or considering their point of view probably isn’t the most efficient way to win the intellectual argument and bring them over to our side.
To even suggest that the federal reserve did anything but create the great depression, would be to lie and mislead the population.
Truth and justice cannot be achieved by giving the people of the world half truths. Ben Bernake is one of the many economists to clearly say that the great depression was directly caused by the federal reserves actions.
admin, your have collected a nice site, and done well to get popularity off Ron Paul. Clearly you are not Ron Paul, and you do not have the full depth of understanding about the current and past economic history, that is needed to fully explain to readers the situation the united states is in.
I hope your mistake in creating the poll summary was accidental rather than intentional.
Most economists and politicians have questioned the federal reserves recent actions, and if the federal reserve inadvertently does more to destabilize the market than stabilize it. Historically, the market “booms and busts” are tied to the federal reserves manipulation of the interest rate and money supply. Others claim that America cannot live without the federal reserve. Since the fed’s creation in 1913, many claim we are just too dependent on someone else controlling our money .
What should Congress abolish the Fed entirely? Or should congress hope that after 70 years of mistakes and secrecy, that the federal reserve will magically become more open and transparent? Does congress have authority over the fed, or does the fed already have too much power over congress?
There, i corrected it for you.
Speculative bubbles have occurred throughout history, both with and without a Central Bank.
“Most economists and politicians have questioned the federal reserves recent actions”
Interesting, to admin’s wit, there is another side for sure, and summarily discounting, while demonstrating your ‘faith to the cause’ so to speak is admirable to an extent, it is also just as scary:
“Sixty-one percent of investors surveyed in the first Quarterly Bloomberg Global Poll say the world economy is stable or improving and almost 75 percent take a favorable view of the 55-year-old chairman. By almost a three-to-one margin, they say Bernanke has earned another four-year term when his current one expires in January.
“He’s the best, maybe around the world,” said Wallace Lin, an investment manager with Euro Asset Management in Hong Kong, who participated in the poll. Investors ranked Bernanke higher than his counterparts at other major central banks, including European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ayUz0vNR2XGc
Speculative bubbles, are rely on excess amount of debt, only a central bank can provide such an large amount of debt.
Bernanke does not own the federal reserve. United States Government does not own the federal reserve. You cannot find out who owns the federal reserve. I like Bernanke, but he is just another puppet following orders, a well paid puppet to be honest.
Matt, you are trying to confuse Bernanke with the privately owned central bank known as the fed. They one is a puppet, and the other is a Goliath, with so much money that nobody on earth can oppose.
Matt, you are defending goliath, yet I stand here with rocks and a slingshot. Trying to get others to help out against the completely corrupt and self serving federal reserve. The federal reserve controls all of the money, and all of the congress. But God is not on their side, they are running clawing their way to maintain power and control over the world economy. I think the world is quick to their trickery, once the egg of their deception is cracked, it cannot survive for long.
Decide now, will you stand up for good and honesty, or will you defend an all powerful central bank that has historically manipulated the world economy to it’s own ends?
Speculative bubbles can absolutely occur in the absence of a central bank – look up Tulip Mania back in the 1700’s:
http://www.damninteresting.com/the-dutch-tulip-bubble-of-1637
Finally, lets say you eliminate debt completely and everyone has savings. What is to prevent those savings from being turned into speculative investments should the ‘next big thing’ come along? Free market implies speculation, and so long as there is speculation there will be momentum and momentum chasers.
RE: The Fed, you are not the only one defending Goliath, but over 300 renowned economists have petitioned Congress and are doing so, but in a different way:
“”The independence of U.S. monetary policy is at risk. We urge Congress and the Executive Branch to reaffirm their support for and defend the independence of the (Fed) as a foundation of U.S. economic stability,” the statement said.
“Central bank independence has been shown to be essential for controlling inflation,” the statement added.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE56E69R20090715
Here is the petition being signed, quite a few luminaries:
http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/anil.kashyap/research/petition_signees.pdf
Please understand, in this case I am not personalizing the matter, just trying to objectively present an opposing viewpoint.
Buttered Bread
Investors Love Ben
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_4934.shtml
Open Letter to Congress and the Executive Branch
Amidst the debate over systemic regulation, the proposed independence of the Federal Reserve’s monetary policy is in danger. We urge Congress and the Executive Branch to work towards the full and unconditional independence of the Federal Reserve System so that it may become a valued and equal participant of the free-market economy. There are three specific risks that must be contained.
First, political pressure and domination by its member banks have shown to be an essential factor in forcing the Federal Reserve to create unchecked inflation. Since the Federal Reserve’s establishment in 1913, one of its products, the U.S. dollar, lost more than 96% of its value. When the Fed decides that it’s time to turn on – or stop – the printing presses, it must be able to do so without interference, and be allowed to bear the full free-market consequences of its decisions.
Second, as most other businesses, the Federal Reserve should be free to act in its own interest by selling, lending or donating its self-created foldable paper snippets to anyone it sees fit, without being subject to undue political interference. Possible beneficiaries could include its own member banks, foreign governments and officials, former and current business partners, personal friends and family members.
Finally, calls to keep the Federal Reserve entrenched in the political and financial establishment are misguided and could easily backfire by perpetuating the infamous boom and bust cycle, wiping out the middle class and eventually bringing us hyperinflation.
The free-market legitimacy of the Federal Reserve System is based on the well established principle of supply and demand. Let the consumer decide whether to use the Fed’s products and services or not. Free the Federal Reserve from government oppression and allow it to compete on the open market. The Fed deserves to be free, as do we the people.
FREE THE FED!
I don’t know where you got your information or how you came to this completely fictitional idea of reality but it sounds like you are from the socialist group that formed the Federal Reserve and is continuing to perpetuate its lies. The Fed is a privately owned entity with the purpose of protecting the owner’s at the expense of the public. NO ONE person or group should be allowed to “create” or control currency. Man is greedy and will always work to take from others.
The Fed that collects profit (interest) from all businesses on money it creates because all banks are forced to use it. It causes the illusion that prices are rising, hence inflation. The fact is that prices have not risen because the same goods and services bought for a designated amount of silver or gold 200 years ago cost the same amount in silver or gold today. The value of the dollar has dropped and decreased the public’s buying power which is an imposed tax that the Fed is collecting. Do you think this is by accident?!!! Learn your history! This mess of inflation has happened 4 times in the early stages of this country and many more times in other countries throughout history when paper money is created with no base.
Farmers have lost their lands and livelihoods because of the Fed. This type of deflation of currency creates a necessity for businesses to continually grow and accrue more debt to survive. Value of the money received for crops declined while the amount did not grow in proportion, the same as individuals income. They could never maintain the operation of a farm without having to buy more land and plant more crops. Their lands were taken over by corporations, who owe their existence to the Fed, for next to nothing. They now control your food supply.
Silver needs to be reestablished as the national currency (371 grains pure = 1 USD). Conversion would be between 350-400 Federal Reserve Notes to $1 silver. All loans need to be converted to real currency. The government or central bank should never be allowed to create money. Paper currency should only represent a designated amount of a commodity, such as silver or gold.
The Federal Reserve Act needs to be rescinded as well as all legislation concerning the Fed. Abolish graduated Federal Income Tax since it is only a tool of socialists to enslave the population.
The Fed should be allowed to survive since it is a privately owned business. It will not survive on its own because it has no reserves except for the sweat of the American people. It should be used by the government only for repayment of the national debt, to be paid in Federal Reserve Notes while the public returns to a commodity currency of silver. Once the debt is paid they will fold on themselves just as the first Central Banks of the United States did.
Banks are private businesses not government. They should be regulated as a deposit bank to save peoples’ money for which they will receive a fee from the depositors. Or as a time deposit bank to be allowed to loan or invest up to 90% of the depositor’s money and pay them interest.
Banks should not be allowed to use loans as an asset to loan money that does not exist as they do now. This type of business is why bailouts have been taking place since the Fed was created. They loan money they don’t have and have the public pay for bad investments, such as loaning money to USSR to feed their people while they spend all they have to develop nuclear weapons to destroy us. And we end up paying for it. The government knows this!!!
Government programs need to end!!! Charity starts at home. Family takes care of family. Community helps itself just as San Leon, Texas after Ike. They took no Federal Disaster Aid and helped each other and are rebuilding their community. Donations should come from people on a voluntary basis NOT taxation. There would be more donations if people weren’t taxed over 60% of their income.
There are other steps that need to take place to free people to participate in trade freely.
I never said it would be easy…either way we go. It’s not much easier to wake people up than it is to fight a war. You’re just using different weapons.
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I for one am going to keep buying gold and silver, to move away from the FED’s broken system. And yes I think they need to be eliminated.
I want to abolish the fed but to get there we need go back to gold and silver backed money (you can’t print gold). Since congress is addicted to spending we need term limits and every legislator needs to be required sign a document that he has read every bill and understands it on penalty of perjury if he lies. Also, we need to get back to the constitution where senators are appointed by state governors instead of popular vote. If you want to get rid of a senator you vote the governor out of office. This will encourage stronger state rights and discourage outside influence from other states/countries. Do I think this will happen? I don’t think so, we are additiced to printing press money and that government can solve all problems. So the country will suffer a large economic correction.
Abolish the Federal Reserve do away with Federal Reserve notes along with the interest.The Federal Reserve must give an account.Since they are fighting to be audited thats proof they are an illegal operation robbing the American tax payer.
Filthy dirty crafty Jesuits.
No, I don’t think that abolishing it would be the thing to do as then Congress would be in charge of managing the money system and we all know what a mess they make of everything they touch.
The congress has to answer to voters, voters that are more awake than in recent history. And voters that are not awake yet, will be soon.
The Fed answers to noone.
Hmmmm… who should I let control my money?
The Congress won’t ask for 6% up front.
The Congress won’t call it a loan and attach interest.
What should we do?
Robert, first, the Constitution demands that whether you like it or not, Congress must coin money and regulate its value, not the Fed. Second, if you don’t trust Congress to do it (and I don’t either), then spread the word that we must vote out the current members of Congress and get better people in there. We have no such option with the Fed.
I find it absolutely astonishing that a bill must be passed to audit the Federal Reserve.
How absurd is that? Should have been done all along. I would like to see the names of those who have helped to keep it hidden.
“I would like to see the names of those who have helped to keep it hidden”
Now you’re just bein mean-spirited…..LOL….JUST LIKE ME! I’d like to see a that list too. It brings certain words to my mind…..like “treason”?
I keep reading about how many co-sponsors we currently have but I can’t seem to find how many we need. What is the target number in both the house and senete to make this a reality? Could anyone please explain this to me. Thank you. – WR
How many to pass a bill? I believe the number is 218? It now has 270 co-sponsors. Someone told me that Pelosi and Obama are in a panic because they want to turn the Federal Reserve into the new US Bank. That’ll sure rain on their parade won’t it?
Whether people believes it or not the Popes have ruled America through her Jesuits for years.Its a matter of time before Rome has complete control in America.The Jesuits are tied to the Federal reserve.
The “Federal” Reserve Bank was established in 1913 by John D. Rockefeller!!
President Kennedy opposed the “Federal” Reserve Bank.
President Kennedy opposed the corrupt “Federal” Reserve System in 1963 and it cost him his life.
Like Lincoln, President Kennedy opposed the banksters and it cost him his life.
On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve.
Mr. Kennedy’s order gave the Treasury the power “to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury.” This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury’s vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous.
Soon after President Kennedy’s assassination, {NOTE:JESUIT} President Johnson debased the coinage by removing ALL the silver from the silver coins and shipping it off to Switzerland.
Jesuits from Rome are responcible for every evil in America and have even hijacked Christianity through its dispensational pre-trib rapture heresy and yet most protestants believe it right along with the Jesuit Federal reserve system.
Run the Jesuits out of America and shut down their Federal Reserve system and let America have her own interest free printed money.
When you get payed for your work the Jesuits gets what is held out in tax.When you purchase things you pay the Jesuits tax again.When you file your income tax and you have to pay in then the Jesuits get another payment from you.So really you are not getting but roughly 30% percent of your income after its all said and done and Romes Jesuits gets the rest.Dont forget our Government is full of Jesuits from Rome to do the popes dirty deeds.
Do away with the Federal Reserve and her Jesuits then all of your money will belong to you.I also believe the Federal Reserve when tore apart should pay the American worker 20% percent of money they have made over the years worked.
Research Jesuits and the Federal Reserve.
Quote:”I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” -Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence
What else do we need to know? How about this? Ron Paul/Jesse Ventura For President and V/P. Then Chuck Baldwin can be the secretary of the treasury. Willie Nelson can be the secretary of agriculture, now that him and Jesse are good friends. I wanna say Chuck Norris…..LOL…. but instead I’ll say Senator Graham would make an excellent secretary of defense.
And there are many more who want to see this country go back to it’s roots, and they would do a wonderful job for the American people. Right now we can settle this peacefully with our constitutional right vote. But doing nothing will make it inevitable that we end up settling it with our revolutionary right to overthrow. Lincoln himself stated that as Americans, we could have it either way. Let’s do everything in our power to try and do it the first way. We still have the vote!
Looking at this realistically, we first need to get a thorough audit of the FED. Depending on what that reveals, we can best consider next steps. Clearly the FED is a cabal of machiavellian elitists and needs to be either terminated or greatly weakened. Our Constitution is clear, Congress should be in the business of money and monetary policy, not the FED. What has happened via the FED, Bernanke, and Geithner et al in the past months and years is tantamount to complete grand larceny against the American people. I am stunned at Obama’s complicity with these schemes.
“I am stunned at Obama’s complicity with these schemes.”
Actually when Obama guaranteed that he would always respect the rights of the father son hunt….and the tradition of target shooting??????? Ya know….for the life of me I couldn’t find that in the constitution. However….I DID find the REAL reason we have the right to keep and bear arms……Because of presidents and governments like HIM….At any rate….when he said that I knew exactly what he was all about. I tried to have the attitude, “Give him a chance”. Well I consider that giving him a chance and he just struck out BIG TIME!!! Anything else or any other kind of shocking complicity should not surprise you. He’s about as different from Bush, McCain, or Clinton, as Coke is from Pepsi.
I agree with you guys (Matt and Kevin), however as bad as it may be, if everybody voted for slavery, at least to some extent it would be the will of the people and not the minority that are in control. When the people are provided true and accurate information through the media, they are definately capable of voting for the right things. (As I do believe most people wouldn’t want something like slavery as we all know that nobody would want to be a slave) Obama won thanks to the media.
My point about Switzerland was that it is a one of the few countries where civil liberties and human rights are among the most respected in the world. As I have said, it is still far from being perfect, but they are on the right track. Even Ron Paul said he admired Switzerland in his speech at Google. The point is, the power should be totally descentralized and given back to the states, and our Federal Government should just be a body to oversee and make sure that everything runs smoothly, but must stay out of people’s and business’ everyday life. Much like a gardener trying to grow his crops as best he can. But of course for this “dream” to take place, we all know that you need to have the right mechanisms in place to allow real freedom to flourish.
With this I leave you, and remember RON PAUL REVOLUTION!!!!!!!!
VOTE FOR RON PAUL IN 2012!!!!!!!! Have a good day everybody.
Voted other. Who will be in charge if the Fed no longer exists? Congress? Treasury? Some other new agency? Why will this be better? Congress passes the budget and spends and spends and buys votes.
Bob:
Congress is in charge of coining money and setting its value, that’s who. Without the Fed, Congress will have no one to hide behind in setting policy, so I’d guess they’d be a little more responsible in how they handle policies related to our money system, since it will be them, and only them who has to answer for it.
Kevin, would like to think you are correct, but my guess is they will find some way to avoid accountability. Politicians are not leaders and people of virtue and morals and decency. They are pimps looking for voters and will promise their souls to get elected or re-elected. Hope and pray I am wrong and you are right.
Bob, you may be right. But maybe it’s not that they’re bad people, per se, but maybe they’re good people who have sort of become bad by the system we’ve put them in – meaning allowing Congress to tax citizens in the first place, giving them an almost unlimited supply of money. This can corrupt almost anyone. Once the Fed came into being, they also started levying an income tax on our production, and that was really the start of the end of our liberty, and the build up of a new power for Congress that they were never really supposed to have over us.
Kevin, you are too kind. May there be more like you and maybe we will recover. However, I will not bet the store on that. This is my 82nd year on this earth and we may fly faster, drive faster, have better health care, have improved adding machines, etc. But I can remember when a hand shake sealed a deal, when a man’s word meant something, when contracts were honored, when you could leave your house and car unlocked and not worry, could hitch hike or pick-up a hitch-hiker, when you could walk down any street at any hour and not be afraid or keep looking over your shoulder. In that regard we have regressed. And I believe there are some that cannot be corrupted no matter what. That approach does not compute with me, looking for excuses and justification for actions rather than the character of a man or women. But that is the world today, no one is at fault, it is someone or something else that made them take the inappropriate action. Anyhow, the best to you and yours.
Politicians don’t have to be the greedy or bad people that they are made out to be. If we have direct democracy, politicians will be good politicians, as long as we the people make sure that they answer directly to us, and only to us. We the people must keep a tight grip on our government and not the other way round. I say this because I am a big admirer of Swiss politics. For those who don’t know much about Switzerland, it is one of the most free countries in the world. The Swiss people vote for almost everything. “Do you want to built a bridge?, lets vote”, “Do you want to legalize Marijuana, lets vote”, Whatever it is, they vote!!!!!! The federal government of Switzerland answers to the cantons (states).
I wish the states in America would exercise their power to keep the Federal Government in line.
People must take charge of their future. Stop sitting around waiting for Government to take care of you, because if that is what you want, go live in North Korea then. Children must be taught in detail from the earliest age about the United States Constitution, so that they have it in their heads, what freedom is, what are your rights! so as to never let this happen to America. This country is too great to let it slip down this dangerous path. Believe me, a Totalitarian America will be far more dangerous than Nazi Germany was!
God bles you all and God bless America!
“The Swiss people vote for almost everything. “Do you want to built a bridge?, lets vote”, “Do you want to legalize Marijuana, lets vote”,”
So does California, and look how that is working out for them… A mishmash of laws, taxes, and regulations…
Matt makes a good point, and I know, I am in California. But to put it another way, what if a majority of citizens woke up tomorrow and decided they wanted to bring back slavery… in Mark’s world, they could vote it in! We must maintain a Constitutional Republic to protect individuals from the potential tyranny of the voters, especially now that voters are so easily manipulated by a corrupt media.
Kevin, one of your comments mentioned slavery. Suppose the majority voted for its return. Kevin, it has already been voted on and we are all slaves. High taxes, political correctness, restrictions on speech, restrictions on smoking, slaves to Congress and government, slaves to poor education, restrictions on many business activities. And there are more, these are just a few.
Bob, all good points about slavery, and I agree with you all the way. When I mentioned slavery, I was, of course, talking about the forced labor inflicted on Africans and others before the Civil War, mostly in the South. I was making a broader point that we NEED certain inalienable rights granted by our Constitution that can not be voted away.
We are different from slaves in that slaves are not in debt.
If we get rid of the Feds., it would be very dangerous because the “Senate and Congress” are the only problems. Senate and Congress send way to much money to other Countries. They give contracts to friends and they intern donate to there campaigns and other deals.
Americans work like donkeys and slaves for the whole world.
Slaves are in debt to there master holders for hard work and no happiness.
Now Senator Harry Reid is getting very large donations from insurance companies for his campaign. I’M sure they will get medical contracts under the new laws they are pushing for in health insurance. Look under Federal campaign donations. Is that every scary because Congress and Senate politicians have political enemies they hate. Then they can request and have withheld medical procedures so they die.
Sounds like a veiled new Communism is moving in control right now right?
Corruption is the issue.
One of the causes of corruption besides the Fed, is the ability to legally bribe public officials through lobbying (or a million other names) for favors.
If only individuals were allowed to donate (at the current rate even) you would not see the corruption you see today.
Term limits also need to be imposed. There are 300 million people in this country, I’m sure that there are more than 500 qualified and willing to serve a term in Congress. Sorry Dr. Paul… you’d be the only one I’d hate to see go.
The question is, how are we going to get the message, or even the topic, about the Fed, out to the public. We have a seemingly impenetrable barrier of mainstream media that will not bring the subject to the people. Once we figure this out, then we can start to hope for consensus on topling the illegal Fed. I honestly don’t know the solution… the govt/corporate elite/media have taken full control of our airwaves, and for lack of a better term, have taken mind control over most citizens via the media, so we’ve got a tough road ahead. I would love to hear ideas!
How to spread the message? It’s easy actually.
Show your friends and family sites like this one, email them links and explain how this is will affect them all. Show them articles explaining how the Fed really works. Get them to write your Congresspeople and Senators demanding a full, transparent, and unhindered Federal Reserve audit. Get involved, ask to volunteer in local rallies.
Mike:
Your heart is in the right place, but I have to disagree with you on the facts. It is simply NOT the easy task you described. I have been trying to get my family and friends to see the light for years with little luck.
The truth is, if they don’t see it on CNN or CNBC or Fox News, and they hear ME talk about it, then I am a kook. You know the score, like with anything, those closest to you have to hear it from someone ELSE – not from you, for them to even take it seriously, and people like us, you, me, the rest of this group, and few and far in between.
So I maintain my original point, that without either breaking into mainstream media, or somehow getting citizens to see mainstream media for the joke that it is, we are going to have a major uphill battle in getting the public onboard with us, or even to hear our arguments.
To be clear – it won’t stop me from hounding my friends and family on the subjects, but the results we want from doing so will be limited.
I vote to let the MSM continue to dig their own grave.
This is what Fox News and others would like you to believe will happen. Newspapers around the country are losing readers daily. They are still lauding the NWO on their front pages. This is because the Ted Turners who own the papers and stations are getting paid more to cover up truth then they would to report it.
This is a unconstitutional entity. It is against the law and should be abolished.
It is a goverment santioned – quasi private – banking cartel
For the sake of our country, we need to tie our dollar to gold and silver- and END THE FED
The Federal Reserve is a PRIVATE organization, not a government agency, that has been given the ability to set and carry out US monetary policy which is a gross breach of our constitution as it was intended by our founding fathers. The audit is important because it will give fact to suspicions, and shine the light on a secretive unknown darkness. It may or may not uncover illegal criminal behavior requiring a court trial and the proof of guilty as charged in order. However, that’s irrelevant: the Federal Reserve system, even if ‘proven innocent’ of causing the economic crisis or other crimes, should be eliminated because the whole money system is broken and no longer fits the needs of ‘we the people’. It controls the money supply and falsely keeps it in short supply so we the people have to fight each other for jobs and sacrifice time with our families to work in impossible situations for less and less rewards, while at the same time we are expected to foot an ever-increasing bill committed to us by others, not ourselves. The Federal Reserve role and purpose holds the world falsely in a model of scarcity where we the people are held slaves to the debt-driven system. It’s a man-made system, it’s broken, and it does not have to be this way. What a scam! If we want our children to have a better life than we did it is imperative for the Federal Reserve to be dismembered and an era of economic freedom be escorted in. There may never be a better chance than now to end the Fed and reset the money system based on real value, and not debt.
Yes get rid of the Federal Reserve and release all those who have been jailed for not paying the IRS through their illegal tax system.America needs her own tax free printed money and all those connected with the federal reserve needs to be given life in prison.
Here you go this should help you make the right decision about the Federal Reserve.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/Federal%20Reserve%20Scam/federal_reserve.htm
What about everyone who has supported the Fed and IRS?
Congress who has not aboloshed it in almost 100 years. The Supreme Court which has not ruled on these matters although CLEARLY unconstitutional. Let’s focus on shutting it down rather than burning everyone involved (although they are criminal and deserve it)
Did you know?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMcfrLYDm2U
Expose the Fed and then abolish it! Completely do away with fractional reserve banking, it inspires and invites corruption.
The Federal Reserve Bank & IRS should be disolved.
Both institution are unconstitutional. They only serve as a means for the elite owers of the Fed to steal money from the people. The IRS was invented by the owners of the Fed to steal as well. The USA today is not a constitutional republic it is fascist regime. Corporation in bed with the government. Preemted war against soverin nations for the profit of the banks and the military war industry.
1. The Fed should be dissolved
2. an amendment should be proposed and passed stating that Congress shall set the size of the economy in dollars at a fixed amount, and a regulatory body should be put in place to ensure that that the numbers of dollars in the economy remains fixed. This will prevent inflation.
3. Congress should begin cutting Defense and entitlement spending and begin paying down the defecit.
4. The Income Tax system should be abolished and replaced with a consumption tax. Taxing income is effectively taxing productivity. When we tax productivity, jobs end up getting exported overseas, and with those paying jobs goes American Dollars. If we remove the income tax system, we can start to see more of our currency staying within our borders. More currency staying here means more spending, and under a consumption tax system, more spending equals more revenue for the government, which can then begin to pay down it’s debt.
With lower debt comes a greater value of the Dollar, and if the money I save at age 30 is worth as much or more by time I reach retirement age, there will be less need for social security.
The Fed is the root cause of all of these issues, in conjunction with Congress’s unbridled spending.
kick out the crown once and for all and take back the blood gold they have userped——-
Audit or Abolish! Let’s give the Fed a short menu.
In this country we are innocent until proven guilty. Although most on this site will say abolish the Fed. I think that we need to give the audit a chance. Then people will see that we need to abolish the Fed. although I could see keeping an agency to enforce laws that would have to be created as a result of its abolishment. The biggest debate would be whether to eliminate fractional banking altogether or modify the percentage of required reserves. Either way this agency would have its hands full with un-scrupulous bankers trying to dodge the law but I guess we already have that problem. The percentage now is I believe 15%. Maybe raise it to 75% and we could get by on that. (The bankers are going to have a large rate of suicides in this country if things come to this) Maybe they will find out what it is to work for a living!
I think they are planning to raise capital requirements.
Here is a written testimony from today on what is going on and the changes they are planning to make. You can watch the annual hearing right now live on cspan.org
http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/testimony/DBBB5C9F26B6440AA4A21E104A61577A.htm
A begging of the market followed by a veiled threat to the citizen.
See what the Constitution says…
Also, lindsey…while you are correct that in this country we are innocent until proven guilty there is another provision that is just as important. Our own Constitution states that we are not to have a Central Bank. Our founders KNEW that a central bank was bad news and thus stated we were not to have one. it is NOT Constitutional. So, on those grounds alone we should abolish the Fed.
Joe, I’m aware of that but we haven’t been able to get it abolished through the courts so I guess we will have to do it legislatively.
Lindsey, I am not in disagreement with you. I guess I just don’t have any hope that this legislative group will do anything of consequence. There are too few voices supporting our Constitution in our Congress.
Author: Lindsey Brutus
Comment:
Sean- The pinwheels are spinning in your eyes! You and Arianna that is! I guess you are one of the folks that voted to give the Fed more power in this poll. Go drink some more Kool-aid and ask your buddy Ben for a loan. Put in a good word for our country while you’re at it!
I’m gonna go ahead and assume you commented to the wrong person. Because that’s exactly the opposite of what I said want. You either didn’t read my comment or you got me mixed up with someone else but at any rate, this is not the place to run your mouth with no social skills. If you wanna talk to people like that go find a chat room somewhere. There ARE people here who would rather be right than loud.
Sam Jam: My comment was for Sean and not directed at you. Sorry if I got carried away but Sean has a tendancy to get a lot of us that comment here fired up. I should attribute the “pinwheels” comment to its original author Longshot Louie also!
“Sam Jam: My comment was for Sean and not directed at you”
My settings where supposed to only alert me of replies to my own comments so I thought that was directed at me. I too apologize for the mix up, but I don’t apologize for my comment about the way we talk to one another. I sometimes have to walk away and take a breath too, because I realize it will not help our cause to start acting like YouTubers. Thanks for your reply and thanks for clearing that up.
“Nibiru may not be coming in 2012 but Ron Paul IS!” And you can quote me on that.
The problem with fractional reserve banking is that it always leads to less reserve requirements always until you get into a mess like this. 100 percent sound money is the answer to this. No more fed no more of the fiat system actuall money backed by actuall gold and silver.
Innocent until proven guilty? A cliche’ but what does this mean? No one is on trial… yet.
Innocent of what charges?
The Fed is unconstitutional… hence illegal.
Income Taxes are unconstitutional… hence illegal.
I think that if a true audit of the Fed was to take place, you would find a myriad of instances of Embezzeling, Fraud, Racketeering, Collusion, Price Fixing, Bribing public officials, etc. etc. etc.
The Fed is probably shredding papers around the clock as we speak to hide criminal activity.
The only reason to audit the Fed, is Ron Paul hasn’t been able to get anywhere near enough votes to abolish it. Perhaps with all the dirty laundry aired (or at least some)… more support will come to abolish.
Why do we need fractional banking? So oligarchs can earn interest on imaginary money??? This is inflation for the sole purpose of allowing banks to gamble money they do not have. It is just setting banks up to fail. When banks fail… real, hardworking people lose their money (or the gov’t bails them out with the people’s money.)
Let me update my previous post. I do think we need to first expose their crimes to the public masses who are still unaware of what’s going on. Once they become outraged, things will move swiftly.
Mike: I agree totally with your update. I just saw Mr. Grayson basically uncovering one of those crimes on C-SPAN 3. I’m sure it will make national TV. I’m sure some of you on this site saw the proceedings that just concluded and if you saw this then I’m sure you’re laughing as hard as Grayson was!
It wont make national tv, Mr. Grayson just exposed what President Obama has already told the people and that the fed has already told everyone, just not the details.
They have already addressed that they are going to loan money to foreign countries who buy goods from us.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/17/us-injecting-billions-int_n_175454.html
Sean- The pinwheels are spinning in your eyes! You and Arianna that is! I guess you are one of the folks that voted to give the Fed more power in this poll. Go drink some more Kool-aid and ask your buddy Ben for a loan. Put in a good word for our country while you’re at it!
I’d love to see them fired and thrown in jail in one fell swoop. I think we’d need a transition phase of getting rid of the Fed.
I can think of no one more perfect for the task than The Great One himself, Mr. Ron Paul.
I’d like to see Freedom reign by having all Federal income taxes abolished and reparations be paid to all working Americans since institution of this oppressive, tyrannical and slave-like illegal tax. Then I would like the Congress to pass immediate term limits and see them all go home and stay without pensions or fancy health care parachutes like the rest of us.
God bless Ron Paul. Viva la tax revolt 2010. And I think it is still not too late to go back to at least a silver standard for our hard earned currency, audit the Fed ? Heck yeah and publicly censure the thieves that set it up to begin with and those who oppressed us for the past 96 years !
Wow, I hadn’t thought about reparations to taxpayers. Even at 10% of what we paid, its a small fortune. But, I doubt we could afford it with the debt. So, I’d be very happy to just end ALL payroll deductions because they really are ALL taxes. That would indeed boost small business and put more people to work again.
FIRST AUDIT, THEN END THE FED!
Linda, thanks for the kind words for Ron Paul, audit the Fed, Abolishing the Illegal Income Tax, having the US Senate set up an investigatory commission on the OBama Birth Certificate Coverup…it shouldn’t be a “birther” story anymore, it should be a Obama Birth Certificate Coverup Investigation. Larry Sinclair could be on the panel with Barbara Mikulski, Henry Waxman, Richard Shelby, Lamar Alexander, John Cornyn and Lindsay “Compromise” Graham. They could also call it the Blind Hog finds an ACORN every now and then Commission, relating to Obama’s passport to Pakistan in 1980. You could only get one if you were full-Indonesian citizen, which Obama was before he asked for Federal money to go to American school. What’s the deal booty doo ? Sounds like some stanky leg to me. Somebody in the media really, I mean really, needs to jump all over this.
Imagine Obama getting in the helicopter back to Hawaii or wherever the heck he’s from.
Come check out FAM Free America March. Just wanted to let you all know about a march in Washington D.C. 9/12/2009. This march is to keep America FREE, say no to the Obamacare reform of healthcare.
Also, there is an email where we have been asked to report our neighbors and others about “fishy” emails and talk about healthcare. I have turned in myself and others are doing the same. We thought we would like to send email to the email address ourselves rather than wait on some idiot liberal to do it for us.
So, join us in sending an email to Obama and our government that says you disagree with the healthcare bill, the loss of freedom, and the government getting to pick and choose who lives and who dies. We are free and believe in remaining that way. Please also spread the word about the March in D.C. 9/12/09 there are already over 10,000 committed to going.
The government turn yourself in email addy is:
flag@whitehouse.gov