176 responses to “Poll: Should Congress Abolish the Federal Reserve?”

  1. gene corpus

    I like to show pauses…..that’s how I write……as unconventional as it is……but then again….I am not conventional…….are you an english teacher….????

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  2. Joseph Slabaugh

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32264181/ns/entertainment-access_hollywood/?GT1=43001

    that is sad, anyone want to go tell him how to NOT be a tax-payer?

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  3. gene corpus

    then the only way to put an end to the government is for all to stand up…..BUT AT THE SAME TIME …here is something that everyone needs to see and be reminded of every day if anything is going change…..here is something that I wrote to glen beck one day after hearing him for a while but yet not hearing the most important thing that needed to be said but yet not said…..

    glen……….. when I get a chance….I listen to your arguments……and much of the time your right……but every now and then…..I see serious errors…….however they are overlooked much of the time….except the last time I wrote…………and now there is something else that’s needs to be said…………..

    day in and day out….I hear so many people complaining about the this big bad government …..how it is just plain STUPID….AND EVIL….. DECIEVING….FRAUDULENT……SUBTLE……OUT OF CONTROL…..MANIPULATIVE……MURDEROUS……EXPLOITERS…..THIEVES……
    EXTORTIONERS…..USURPERS…….IGNORANT…….DUMB……ARROGANT….HAUGHTY…..CONTEMPTUOUS…HAVING GOD LIKE COMPLEX……just to name a few……..which describes the people who are running it….and unfortunately those that do have the sense to know what the problems are….just don’t get any recognition…..or respect……neither do people pay attention to them…..and then I get an ear full from of course………….glen beck…sean hannity….mark levine…..rush limbaugh….and many others…….just as well……….and I surely agree with much of the complaints…….

    but out of all these people….and places and websites…..radio stations…….and news media gigs….that repeatedly go over and over again about the same old constant problems…which is what this government is guilty of ………..but yet ……….

    I AM SHOCKED THAT NOT ONE PERSON SO FAR…..HAS HAD THE GUTS TO EVEN MENTION….AND REMIND US…..EVERY DAY…….THAT THE SOLUTION TO ALL OUR PROBLEMS IS ALREADY THERE….WHERE..?….HERE…….RIGHT IN FRONT OF US…..WHAT AM I TALKING ABOUT…???..IT’S STARING RIGHT AT US…..IN THE FACE……IT WAS ALREADY WRITTEN BY THE FOREFATHERS……WHO VERY CLEARLY WROTE DOWN SOME OF CHARACTERISTICS OF AN OUT OF CONTROL GOVERNMENT…….BUT ALSO VERY CLEARLY WROTE DOWN THE ONLY SOLUTION…….THEN THEY VOWED THAT THE ONLY SOLUTION MUST BE WRITTEN DOWN FOR ALL GENERATIONS TO SEE……AND WHAT IS THAT…YOU MIGHT ASK….???…WELL……BEFORE I TELL YOU…….THESE ARE NOT JUST WORDS TO LOOK AT ONCE AND THEN TURN AWAY…..AND STILL ASK WHY ARE WE STILL HAVING THESE PROBLEMS…….THEY ARE NOT JUST WORDS TO HEAR AND THEN TURN AWAY….STILL COMPLAINING OF THE PROBLEMS……THEY ARE WORDS THAT ARE FRIGHTENING….TO ALL FORMS OF THE GOVERNMENT …THE LEGISLATURE….THE LEGAL SYSTEM….THE POLICE POWERS……THE JUDGES….THE PROSECUTORS…….HOA’S….CODE ENFORCERS….ALL FORMS OF TAX COLLECTORS….CITY COUNCELS….MAYORS…..GOVERNORS….AND EVEN…….PRESIDENTS…..

    BUT YET POWERFUL…..AND ENPOWERING TO THE PEOPLE………AND ULTIMATELY….. INEVITABLE……..THESE WORDS CARRY MUCH WEIGHT….THEY CARRY POWER………THEY ARE WORDS THAT HAVE MEANING….THEY ARE WORDS THAT HAVE BEEN VERY MUCH FEARFUL OF…..SECRETLY ATTACKED BY PASSING LAWS THAT OVER RIDE AND SIDE STEP IT……BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THOSE WORDS WILL CHANGE AND PUT AN IMMEDIATE STOP TO ALL THEIR JOBS……AT THE SAME TIME ENDING OUR OWN PROBLEMS IF WE WOULD JUST FOR ONCE…..NOT JUST READ IT…..AND MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT……BUT THESE WORDS…..REQUIRE ACTION….WITHOUT THESE ACTIONS……THESE WORDS ARE POWERLESS….WE WILL BE DOOMED TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF OUR INACTION…UNLESS WE ACT…..WE WILL BE DOOMED TO SUFFER THE RESULTS OF A TOTALITARIAN FACIST COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT………IF WE WOULD JUST STOP THE CHATTER…AND START THE PROCESS OF THESE VERY WORDS…. ………….WHAT ARE THESE WORDS.????….YOU KEEP ASKING……….WELL………HERE THEY ARE…………

    Whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such Government. [The [Declaration of Independence]

    THIS MEANS…A…DECLARATION OF WAR ON GOVERNMENT….THAT……..IF IT CANT BE DONE WITH THE STROKE OF THE PEN …(PEACEFULLY)……..THEN BY THE SMITE OF THE SWORD…….( BY FORCE)

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    1. Kevin

      gene, great letter, but with all the CAPS and all the “…..” not at all easy to read. I wonder if the well thought-out content and intensity was passed up because of the style in which it was presented (assuming it was presented as it was here). I hope not.

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    2. ChrisBalls

      Rock-on brother, I’m with you 100% but, keep in mind, we don’t have a government to over-throw. The issue here is, and some one help if you know the steps, I just hadn’t learned yet; how do we re-install a constitutional government? Who needs to vote, how many? You cannot over throw a corporation, particularly one that you gave authority over your self to.
      You will need to be a National. A Non-resident Alien. Once you get voted into the presidency legally and constitutionally, you get two things; control of the military (they are to uphold the constitution and protect those citizens. U.S. citizen, sorry, we don’t protect you.) and power to hold accountable the Fed and all the likes.
      There’s lots of people waiting on this. It’s gotta be pretty easy to do. Administrator? Got any ideas? Dr. Paul, care to drop out of the system and be that man? I’m thinking of Ed Koch, president of Samuel Adams. Damn fine beer, he’s got a day job to keep him honest and it just seems poetic.

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  4. ChrisBalls

    They don’t have authority. The IRC is “code” not law and only “code” for federal employees, hence “Internal”. The problem at hand is most don’t know what makes them subject to that code. and no one is gonna tell you. They use scare tactics. You simply need to do it; you need to read and learn. You need to follow the law, so don’t they. They can’t take your constitutional rights away but, they can trick you into giving them up…

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  5. gene corpus

    these things sound good and promising but when one chooses to practice this…..you get arrested….they take your house to which there is no way to fight them….I agree I would love to just go and drag all the government employees out of those buildings that we’ve paid for and just fire them….but in doing so we would be shot on site….I dont care what anybody says …it is a privilage for any government agency to receive money or taxes for thier job…..but we one person chooses not to pay….they go to jail or take thier house and property…..look at what they did to wesley snipes……if we dont have to pay taxes …then who gave them the authority to penalize those who dont…???…is it artical 1 section 8…????….are you saying that….what I suggested is already apart of the law…..if so..then…why doesn’t everybody just stop paying taxes……and property taxes….etc……???

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    1. Kevin

      Gene – correct. It would take a LOT more Americans than those on the fringe, like us, to demand an end to the current taxation schemes to see any real change, and so long as most Americans tune in to CNN, MSNBC, and even Fox News (and of course their local “news”), we’ll never see a real change like that anytime soon. Our “fringe” numbers will slowly keep growing, but we’ve got to find a way to wake the masses from their trance.

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  6. gene corpus

    I hope this message gets to ron paul……..I propose a new law….

    “that we the people abolish the right of government to collect taxes with the exception of taxes needed for national security….however any taxes collected for national security shall also be limited on the basis of any fraud….mismanagement….theft….over paying on equipment….exploitation of companies overcharging the tax payers….for equipment…..etc…detected by the tax payers…”

    why….this law….because this is root of all our problems….this means no money for the feds….no money for all government employees…..they too are part of the problem…as a matter of fact they are the problem…….all those on the government payroll…..this also means no money for the senators….congress…..representatives….those who spend a lifetime making a carrer off of tax payer dollars…and do nothing under thier employment……this will force all government services to be paid at the local level by the choice of every individual….this puts the power of the dollar in the hand of every citizen….this will also force full automation of any services by automation and kick out the middle men which is government….

    this includes the abolishment of property taxes….the abolition HOA POWERS…..which secretly work for the state, county, city, ISD powers….that allow the hoa to raise property values not in tuned with thier real values so that the taxing authorities benefit….this is what causes the real estate bubble to bust…they are the sole cause of the real estate problems……it’s not that people cant pay thier outrageous interest bearing mortgage…..but strangely everybody is silent when it comes to the other reason why people cant keep thier homes it is because they cant afford to pay thier outrageous property taxes….which this subject is so strangely kept quiet……

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    1. ChrisBalls

      Gene, that is (was) the law. “Taxes”, “voluntary, self assessed tax” is for the function of government and its machinery ONLY.
      Furthermore; “The difficulties arising out of our dual form of government and the opportunities for differing opinions concerning the relative rights of state and national governments are many; but for a very long time [including AFTER the passage of the Sixteenth Amendment] this court has steadfastly adhered to the doctrine that the taxing power of Congress does not extend to the states or their political subdivisions. The same basic reasoning which leads to that conclusion, we think, required like limitation upon the power which springs from the bankruptcy clause. United States v. Butler, supra.” [Ashton v. Cameron County Water Improvement District No. 1, 298 U.S. 513; 56 S.Ct. 892 (1936).

      Once again I say; the ONLY way they can have jurisdiction over you, over your person, over your earnings on your labor is if you GAVE it to them. You signed contracts with a PRIVATE CORPORATION whose jurisdiction is ONLY the DoC and any FEDERAL TERRITORIES which DO NOT include UNION STATES. Right back to this audit issue; the Fed is a PRIVATE COMPANY doing business with a PRIVATE CORPORATION that charades as a functioning "constitutional" government which you all OBVIOUSLY know it is not by now! You cannot change its policy and you have made hidden agreements (contracts) to serve it and face penalties (loss of rights) if you fail to do so.
      This "audit" will certainly cause a sh*t storm but it is doing nothing to set you free. ONLY congress can coin money. If it is unconstitutional for the Fed to exist, then why does it? Congress CANNOT grant that power of contract. ONLY the people can. The only way it can exist as a functioning entity is if the "government" allowed it. So, it is real easy to state that ALL federal personal who work in the capacity of government are traitors to the country for allowing this to continue! Easy enough right? Makes clear sense right? We all know (you should) what the constitution says right? Then why does EVERYBODY IGNORE IT?!?!?!?! Because you work for a private company and do not have those rights. Congress in a true, constitutional sense, does not exist. You are a "federal employee", you are a U.S. "resident"; 26 U.S.C. 7701(a)(39) and 26 U.S.C. 7408 (also U.S. person) you are a fed employee 26 CFR 31.3401(c)-1 and 26 USC 6331(a)) you are under federal jurisdiction as a resident of the DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA!!!! Your "privileges" that you confuse for "rights" [that you signed away with things like SS-5, W-4 or 1040's which are only for things like 26 U.S.C 864(c)(3)] are revokable under 42 U.S.C. 1981-1983!!!! Unless you are a sovereign under The Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, 28 U.S.C. 1605 and can invoke things like Diversity of Citizenship under Article III, Section 2 of the constitution then, you ass belongs to the machine and you have no voice and no rights!! Gonzo!

      Stop trying to “fix” this with a band-aid. Smarten up, straighten it out, re-claim your sovereignty, stop paying into governmental franchises that force you to contract your rights away (social security) go buy a gun (no need to register or license a damn thing as a National. Not subject to “private, corporate law”. Simply don’t violate my protected rights and we are good but, those in “politics” who serve that “government”, funny thing, they don’t have rights either, so don’t feel bad dragging them out to the street corner to make an example out of them! They wouldn’t for you. Hell, they don’t afford you rights now!), pick up a rock, thread a noose, get with some buddies and go drag these bastards out of the buildings they hold court in and vote in some patriots.

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      1. Kevin

        Chris, as always, good stuff! But I’ve done a little research, and it seems that renouncing ones’ US citizenship is far from easy, and includes the need to become a citizen or be a citizen elsewhere – also not always easy, esp. if you owe Uncle Sam taxes.

        Look, you’ve sold me on the value of doing it. I just don’t see the “how” of doing it, when the powers that be clearly don’t want us to do it.

        If my meager research is flawed, please point me in a more accurate direction.

        All my best.
        Kevin

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        1. Joseph Slabaugh

          I think he said to become a National (not renouncing US citizenship) There is a difference, as a National has his rights here in the States, but if you go become a citizen somewhere else, you are subject to that country, whatever that country may be… And if they can prove you renounced your citizenship to avoid taxes, you are in worse shape then before…

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          1. Kevin

            As I understand it, being a National means you are essentially a “non-citizen” American, or non-naturalized American. To go from a citizen to a National, one must renounce or lose their citizenship – this is my understanding. If I’m wrong, please explain.

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          2. ChrisBalls

            “Non-Resident Alien” is your term. You are a transient foreigner, a non-u.s. citizen not subject to federal or state (corporate) private law. You are an American, a Patriot.
            You can’t “renounce” citizenship. You can’t have a domicile in a federal territory. There is a lot to learn but, if I push enough, you will. You have to. It is the ONLY way you’ll get your country back and protect your self.

            “The Legal Basis for the Term “Nonresident Alien” by Gerald Alan Brown, Ed.D. Through Distressed Publishing Trust.

            M’Culloch v. The State of Maryland et al. 17 U.S. (4 Wheat.) 316; 4 L Ed. 579 (1819)

            Wesley Snipes? Ha! They just “hushed that up”. He was too high profile to keep pressuring him. He was in his right.

            “There have been a significant number of cases in recent years wherein the judges of the federal courts ignore the foregoing body of law. But the arguments presented here cannot honestly be ruled as “frivolous” because this is the documented basis of our heritage and of our political and judicial history. For the courts today to say that a citizen of any one of the states of the union who is not a citizen of the federal government cannot be a “nonresident alien” with respect to the federal government denies the fundamental nature of the American political system and is fundamentally unAmerican.
            Whenever a federal bureaucrat or a judge denies the claim of “nonresident alien” made by an American citizen, it must be remembered that these bureaucrats and judges are human and make mistakes. Consider the circumstances of black Americans who struggled for nearly 100 years to make the 14th Amendment effective for themselves. Consider that the expression “separate but equal”, which was created by Massachusetts law in the 1850′s, was adopted by the U.S. Supreme Court to be law of the land at least eight times over a span of some 70 years before the justices became enlightened enough and brave enough to acknowledge the truth about that contrived principal. A similar struggle may be required by those citizens of the states of the union who make the “nonresident alien” argument. To win this argument, many more Americans need to become aware of the legal basis for the term and it needs to be presented in a broader, more comprehensive setting than the courts are currently willing to acknowledge and report. And the argument needs to be carried back to the courts with greater clarity until the federales “get it”. Education is our most important ally. Remember, it isn’t over until we win.”

            Skip on over tho the IRS site and get your self a SSA-521 form. Send your employer a W-8BEN (you’ll need to modify it but, the SS sez’ you can so, it’s all good. Stop calling yourself a tax-payer. You have no “permanent residence”. How could you? You’ll either move or die some day.
            You can’t earn “wages” under the SS Act 3121(a) of the IRC.
            You are not allowed to use a W-4 or a SS # for ANYTHING.

            You can use a 4029 form but, NEVER allow a form to call you a “tax-payer”.
            Sorry, you are not eligible for SS (You can be; see Social Security Program Operations Manuel, section GN 00303.001 (Just for you Joe, you crazy toy making Amish guy!)), Medicaid, Medicare, unemployment or ANY federal or State benefit. Want some one to take care of you? Call your mom, not New Hampshire’s responsibility to support California.
            But all this means NOTHING if you do not learn, read, educate. They got your ass. And you keep offering them more.

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  7. Bob Harkins

    The Federal Reserve definitely needs to go. We can do without it, we just need to oust it. While we are at it the good old boy politics in Washington needs to go also. You hear a lot out of Washington about how everyone needs to tighten their belt. But, you never hear about the Congress or Senate taking a wage cut or expense cut. The vote of the people needs to be restored to the people. We are a smart society, we do not need a few electorials
    to tell us how we should be goverened. It is all about responsibility and it is high time we take the responsibility back. The elected positions of our government were never intended to be a JOB. All politicians have become to comfortable at the expense of the tax payers (THE PEOPLE). We don’t need two parties dividing the pot and back fighting about who is the best. They have forgot who they are representing. It is once again time for the people.

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  8. ChrisBalls

    Banking rights for $450mil? I made the comment. It is in the contracts. Good luck getting congress to do such a thing. They don’t work for you. The work for a private corporation with awesome benefits that they are not willing to give up. Your government and the Federal Reserve work together. It is not opinion, it is not a conspiracy theory, it is not semantic interpretation. It is bold face fact shoved on you every day. You see it in the news, you read it in their reports. You can’t escape it. They lie and lie and lie, to you, to each other to them selves. They have successfully divided the masses so we cannot organize. It has gotten so out of control that they them selves don’t know what is going on. They don’t even realize they are the slaves. Ignorant asses. It is a tragic comedy at this point.
    I want me country back, and I want it now. Read, investigate and educate.

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  9. Kevin

    I have NO DOUBT that if Thomas Jefferson somehow came back to life and spent 48 hours looking at our state of affairs, he would immediately start organizing an armed rebellion to take over Congress and the White House from the enemy invaders. Our country today makes the England we raised arms against look like an Eden of Liberty!

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    1. ChrisBalls

      Nah, before he could get started, some prostitute would claim they were having an affair and then some no-body would claim they were doing drugs together and the media would run its typical smear campaign.
      Stop thinking Thomas Jefferson or any other founding father would be appalled, of course they would. We “allowed” our government to be exactly what they tried to protect us from.
      Be appalled your self and do what those patriots would have done; Organize, educate and take action. It needs to start here, that’s why we all visit Ron Paul, because we believe that is the next, forward step.
      We’ll do this by voice first, and you know well what happens if we are not heard,….we will be felt. Remember, you are not petitioning a government, you are petitioning a private corporation that makes money off each and every one of us and they will not let that go easily. We do not have a functioning, constitutional government. That’s not opinion, it is fact.

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  10. ChrisBalls

    I would think marriage and driver licenses are pertinent to the post, they are examples of hidden laws and contracts that people are unaware of in every day life. Exactly mirroring the idea to audit the fed. Every one is on board to do it but, they apparently haven’t gotten involved enough to understand the nature of that beast and the actual issue at hand in doing it. Most aren’t aware of what the fed is, who made that contract, how they came about. The same company that invited them is the same company that issued those private laws that control “licensing”. Both the fed and the private, Corp. U.S. are working together so, for some one to say the government should step in and audit the fed, well that is just silly because in essence that would be the government revealing their true nature, yea, it’ll go over well when the people get an accounting that the fed is collecting 100% of their tax and SS in interests from the loans they, basically, made to them selves, or for some one to say the people have a voice and should be able to force such an inquiry, well, that’s just silly as well. Telling your employer that they run the company wrong? You get fired. You can’t vote Billy, down in the mail room, into the CEO position, no matter how many cube farm varmints protest but, if we were free and held stake in that company, we could fire the CEO. We are just peons though. (Most probably think that means “pee-on”, look it up…)

    I’m honestly surprised that some one hasn’t claimed to have pictures of Ron Paul with naked transvestites in Cuba to discredit the man. I tell you what though, even if they did, it’s none of my business. Focus on the country and the issue at hand. I don’t care if he wears whipped cream and call him self Sally. For as long as the country’s interests are handled….

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    1. Joseph Slabaugh

      Chris, I was wondering about someone making a comment about the Fed buying the “rights” to print up the currency we now use for 450M a 100 years ago, with a clause to allow us (the Congress) to buy that right back for said amount… is that something we should look into? Not that i want to give them 450M, but really, it would seem like a small price to pay to sent them packing.

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      1. Joseph Slabaugh

        this is re: Chris Baldinelli Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:37 am

        “You can’t “audit” the Fed. It is in their contract”

        (see above)

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  11. ChrisBalls

    What’s his name, Irwin Schiff? He’s in prison for tax evasion. He used a 1040 form and claimed 0 earnings. Only federal employees are to use that form, not private citizens. Form sez’ not for private use right on it. By using that form, he stated he was a federal employee and subject to income tax and then in essence, he lied by telling them he had none. Such a smart, sharp guy doing such a dummy.
    You can’t use their forms to state you didn’t earn income. The mere use of the form implicated a tax liability (a 1040NR was what he should have used and the IRS has forms for W-2 corrections, you can’t simply “re-file” again). He also got “nabbed” with jurisdiction; his “domicile”, his “permanent residence” created presumption for jurisdiction. Think of it like this; you cannot have a permanent address because you will either move some day or die. It’s those little things, that “word-art” they use that seems so common place but has very specific meaning.
    There are NO forms for non-taxpayers. You do not need any. You may need to defend your status though but, no one else but you can claim who you are. They’d have to prove otherwise and they do that if you make a mistake, like, using their forms of allowing them to presume jurisdiction.
    That was really sad but, we learn….

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    1. Joseph Slabaugh

      Yes that is the name, and I always thought, he must have done something wrong cause i tried his stuff, and always ended up having to pay 500 dollars “frivolous” tax return fees. Now I just do it the way they want me to till I get myself in a position to do all this correctly, but I want to be fully informed before I make any move.

      As for marriage, I got married in court by a Justice of Peace, so, would I have to go through a divorce or some other process to dissolve the marriage “legally” to be married in “common law”? I been thinking about that for a while too.

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      1. ChrisBalls

        Yea, you can get a “quick” divorce. That’s easy. Just make a satisfactory agreement with your wife to continue the marriage and witness and record it.

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        1. samjam

          By the way, some folks are saying that this marriage and driver’s license stuff has nothing to do with the subject at hand. In a way it does. We need to be awakened to ALL the crap our government has pulled on us in the last 100 years to get used to the idea that they have something much bigger planned for next hundred years.

          I’m amazed at the people who will admit that they think the government lies and then they’ll turn around and say, “But they’d NEVER lie about 9/11….or the Iraq war, or…???..” Really? The Federal Reserve is a lie, the IRS is a lie, and most of what comes out of the government’s mouths are lies. So now that they’ve clearly demonstrated their ability, willingness, and desire to lie, many times over, one might nearly have to take a stand on one side of the fence or the other.

          I for one choose the “liberty” side. But I also realize….there won’t be much help.

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  12. ChrisBalls

    By the way Joe, I didn’t reiterate, If you claim a “National” status and are no longer under Federal jurisdiction after going through that process, and are no longer a slave,…I mean tax-payer, ( see prior reply; July 29th 2009, 10:32a.m.) The ONLY income that you can claim/earn is what the federal government gives you (SS payments). Basically, work your self silly, make as much as you can (see “trade or Business” and “income” definitions)and you still can only claim the federal benefit/SS payments as income. At that point, only federal payments qualify as “gross income” or “taxable income” so, I guess that would answer; “What the heck do I get out of this?”. You will still need to learn how this applies to you, personally and how much you would not have to give to the Fed or state out of your “non-income, non-wage” earnings weekly.
    When you start receiving benefits, it is calculated on what you have put into it up to date. You’ll need help,..ugh, “legally” to make sure you maintain the payments. Being that you are already neck deep into this aspect, you certainly know more about the procedure than I could guess at.
    Just a thought….hope it helps, you’ll need to learn more.

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    1. Joseph Slabaugh

      True, the guy from “paynoincometax.com” (a political prisoner) says that income is defined as “corporate profit’ so that make perfect sense.

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    2. Joseph Slabaugh

      So I could still collect SS and claim to be out of the System? that is confusing, cause I would like to cut them out of my life as much as I can. I do work, and make money as a toy maker, but the SSI/SS payments are actually more then what I get for actually working. I also make youtube videos, and make money from that, and a few other online businesses. I am buying this land with 2 trailers too, paid it off, but may need to file a suit to get my deed as I mentioned before. Once I get the property deal done though, I would like to clear my self from any connection to the Fed in any way I can. I knew when I left the Amish that there is a way to do it, but I never really got the right info on what to do to not get into their system. When I was 16, I ran away and lived with my mom’s 2nd cousin, and it was there that I was taken to the SS office to get that number.

      If I wanted to give back my own SSN, in order to get myself declared a National, I guess that means if I did the same for my wife and kids, their SSI/SS may stop? But if I leave theirs as-is, they can continue to collect?

      Anyway I am rambling here, but wanted to know if you could email me about something, the website when you click my name goes to a form where you can email me.

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      1. ChrisBalls

        Are you for real?!?!?! A run away, Amish, toy maker?!?!?! Oh man, it hurts! Make it stop!! Are you trying to get the deed to the Island of Misfit Toys?!?! O.K., sorry, that’s wrong of me but, it does seem a bit humorous from the out side.

        I’ll try to give you the information you request. We need to stop posting this stuff in this forum, we are getting too far away from the Fed. audit issue.

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        1. Joseph Slabaugh

          LOL OK, ya I just wanted to ask you a private question, hopefully something big can come out of all this :-)

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  13. ChrisBalls

    You can’t get out if you depend on the benefit. Done deal however, a “National”, free citizen CAN receive SS benefits if you pay into the system. Again though, you need to understand the contract you make with the government. I don’t know enough about that procedure for your situation, sorry.
    How to pay the bills? If you didn’t pay income tax or SS tax, how much extra would had been in your monthly earnings? You still need to save and invest, you can have insurance but, your hardship, I do not know enough about. There is quite a bit to learn and I am doing my best to learn what applies to my situation and my family.

    What do you get out of this? I’m sorry Joe. If we were all free and weren’t consumer slaves spending half our earnings for private bail-outs, I’d like to believe you’d have help. If you were my neighbor, and I prospered (even if I didn’t, i’d do what I could and you don’t need to hang that on Christianity or any thing else, it is just the right thing, as a person, a Patriot and an American), and had more time for life than slavery, I’d visit you and I’d help, and I’d hope that the community, with good values, would help but, in the state we are in, and it is getting worse as we pay more to our own states who in turn pay more out to the fed. and receive pennies on the dollar back for our own needs, we are less able to help our brothers as we struggle for our own survivals. This is the sad truth.

    Sadly, the issue at hand with you collecting, once you read who qualifies for SS; you may or may not, and then you may realize that the benefit can be discontinued at any time. Not to scare you with the truth but, these are my concerns; how to protect my self. I will gladly help my neighbor with out question but, I am refusing to be forced to.

    Property rights; well, this is interesting. Property cannot be bought or sold, only granted. You “buy” real-estate, which is every thing on the land. (Make note that when you are required to put “permanent address” on forms, you cannot actually have one but by saying it is, it becomes presumption for jurisdiction to the Fed. or State, but onward..) I am told, read, am to understand that you require a “land patent” but, that can only be granted by the president (or proxy) and due to us not having a constitutional government (president) you can never be granted land rights. That should end it there. (It is NOT in the capacity for, say, the IRS to put a lien on your property. The have no power to do that although they try to and threaten people that they can. They have no power to do so. If you don’t’ know the law, good luck fighting it.)
    You’d need to get an abstract from your mortgage company to get going with a Land Patent. You can Google the process, there are plenty of people who want to take your money to do that for you but, I feel, you should learn how to do it your self and do it. You can skip down to the county recorder and see if they have listed, any one who may have had that patent for your parcel last. If the clerk even knows what you are talking about. It has been held by the Supreme Court that a Land Patent will not be defeated. Yup, you can get one even though you have a mortgage but remember, that does not relieve you from the mortgage contract you made. They may not be able to take your land for failure to pay but you will be committing fraud. NO one can claim your land or lien against it if it is patented to you. Patents cannot be sold or bought, they can only be passed or granted.
    In time of war, the government can use it (your land), that’s about it but, no unconstitutional government has that right or power,….unless you are a federal employee (tax-payer).

    In my opinion, you should pay property tax. That is how you are to help support your local government and your town’s needs. Keep in mind though, again the Supreme Court has ruled tax is not debt. You property cannot be claimed if you do not pay tax,…unless you are a federal employee (tax-payer).
    Sales tax, excise tax and property tax as well as import/export tax is how your state is supposed to legally support it self, not on the back of your labor, not with contracts between the federal government on your behalf.

    Now, I am not sure what binds the private corporation we serve in this “Patent” matter. I have not “finished” with my study on that. I don’t know if you can “legally” acquire a patent and still bind them to observe it. Like it has been said; there is so much going on, it almost drives you mad trying to learn all of it.

    As far as an actual deed,…you should simply need to file for it through the town hall once you have a copy. I have my actual one. Interestingly enough, the wife just got it about two weeks ago, for another pertinent matter.
    I hope this helps some what Joe.

    I am not a professional, I am not a lawyer, I am a working slave trying the best for my family and am outraged by what has happened to our country and people and what is being done to us. I am more angered as I learn more but, I am learning and, in that, I am learning how to change it, and I am trying my best to in any way I possibly can. I do not know more nor am I better than any one else. I’ll be happy to try to help any one find the information they seek, as through trial and error, I’ve probably stumbled through it already. Please don’t try to use me as a resource. It must be said, you cannot believe any thing I tell you or suggest, I may be wrong, or I may be wrong in your situation but I think I might know enough to help start you in the right direction.
    I am a Patriot. I believe in America and the American people, and I know that is a crime against the State, but I’ll declare it any way.

    Let’s get Ron Paul in. He may not be able to do it all but, he’ll be our first, public step to take down the machine from within. Many are doing their parts, at great risk to them selves. We all must do something.
    “it has to start some where, it has to start some time. What better place than here, what better place than now?”

    I’ve used up way more than my 15 minutes, let’s get back to abolishing the Fed. Let’s pay attention to how they prepare to dance around this audit. Let’s see who “they’ “appoint” as the “successor”! Let’s listen to what lies they create to make the public think something was done.

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  14. ChrisBalls

    Kevin,
    Are you kidding me? I can’t even begin to tell you how blown my mind is! I am still learning. I know what I typed seems almost ordered chaos. There is so much though. Each time I think I’m ready to kick some butt, I find I need something else.

    Being a lawyer? Got news for you, you don’t need one and shouldn’t use one, in general. You do not “represent yourself” when you “are” yourself. Make confusing sense? You simply need to know basic law and procedure. Procedure obviously being most important, mostly so you know when some one is hanging your rights out to dry and how to keep that from happening.
    Law is very particular as well. I started on this “task” on how to get my country back. What I thought might be six months of research, at most, is becoming better than a few years and has me eye-ball deep in law.

    Here’s a little kicker to further make you say “huh?”; speed limits have been ruled unconstitutional by the supreme court. “What?!?!” you say? “Then how do I get a speeding ticket?”. Well, you shouldn’t be bombing down a 30mph @ 70, you are endangering others but (life liberty and pursuit of happiness, don’t violate anyone’s and you are good), who is to tell you that 80 isn’t safe on the highway? What determines your ability or your vehicles ability? How can state troopers scoot down the road @ 90? how is that fair? You can’t take from one and enrich the other (constitution). Well, just like that marriage comment about the license, if you apply for a driver’s license, you volunteer to be subject to private law. You have effectively told the state that you need to be observed and managed. You have waived your rights. See ya’ 4th amendment.
    Matter of fact, “license and registration please” violates your 4th amendment. But you waive that right when you apply for a license. Really screwed huh?

    The best “advise” I can give is, know every thing about what you are about to do. If you miss one thing, it’ll throw you back in the system and you will be liable and prosecuted.
    Side note, I called two credit card companies I used. Told them I changed my status to a “Non-resident, non-individual, national, union state citizen” (lol, that’s a lot off the tongue!) “National” will suffice. I told them I have no SS# any longer and that this account cannot be associated with that identification. One company informed me that the account must be closed at once, the other said “no problem, we don’t use that number for identification any way”. Why do they ask for it to begin with?
    My current bank said it is required to have an account, the bank down the street said I just need to file a W-8BEN and show proof of identity (mortgage statement, military I.D., license, passport etc.). An account with no SS# is not subject to the Patriot Act. It is not “government property”, the bank cannot report any transactions to any one (although they may need to be educated about that as most people don’t deal with such things). Withdraw or deposit $10k in cash, no one can know. It violates the Privacy Act.
    As far as your children, you have 30 days from when they turn 18 to bail out of SS (assuming you already got them SS#s). The only thing you’ll need to do to keep them out of the system forever, is change you status. NEVER use their SS# for ANYTHING or let them either. It isn’t theirs to use. You don’t need it for credit (Fair Credit Reporting Act.) you don’t need it for ANYTHING but government benefits. It is ILLEGAL for any one but the government to ask for or to use that number and, you are only holding that number in trust for them any way.
    It’s easy to put a stop to all this for our children. The hard part is getting your self out of the system. Particularly where almost every thing you come across is a hidden contract that sucks you back in. Even a passport application. Right to travel is a right, not a privilege. If you don’t know what the definitions of the words are in that contract, it’s your own fault. You have the right to contract, and you have the right to create your own contract and definitions of it. “They” do it to you, you have the same right to do it to them. All men are created equal and no government is above you. You have the right to associate or NOT associate with the government. They just hide the “how to not associate” part but, it is still there.

    Again, not a lawyer? Lawyers and legislatures work hard to make sure you don’t understand the law so they can be lawyers. Take the IRC for instance,..good luck making sense of that. It is done purposely.

    A educated man makes a poor slave.
    Good luck.

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    1. Joseph Slabaugh

      Mr. Balls, I have a question: 2 of my 3 daughters get SSI, and my wife gets Social Security disability every month now… (In May we got a total of about $30,000 from them, mostly from back pay for 2 years that we were fighting for it…).

      I am just wondering how the heck I would get out of all this (and if I do, how am I going to make enough to pay the bills, but that is another story).

      Also I am wondering about property rights, I am currently getting ready to fight for the deed to this property that I bought (with this money from Social Security), but since they also TAX the land cause you don’t own it, they just give you privileges on said real property, I am wondering if you have looked into how I could get the real deed after I get the “copy” deed?

      I am not a lawyer, and have not studied this too much, but would like to know more. (my uncle is really into this, you would be great friends if you met!)

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  15. ChrisBalls

    Wow, great! That youtube link saved us time! Basically, we went bankrupt. A government cannot take out a loan. Who is going to give a loan to a broke country with no collateral, particularly where they cannot grant things they don’t own, like land? In steps (or from the waiting shadows) a bank.
    “What have you got?”,
    “We’ve got people.”
    “Well, how do we get the people to be willing collateral?”.
    “Hmmm, well we can tax them during war time but no more than two years and it has to be voluntary but, patriots will want to support their government and country.”
    “Not enough, we need more”.
    “We need to figure out how to make them pay forever.”
    “Well, we can’t force them but, we can make them think they need to. We can’t break laws or violate the constitution but, we can trick them into doing it them selves.”
    “Brilliant!”
    “Well, lets say that this private corporation we just made, to do business for the people, can make it’s own rules. Let’s say that every one employed within this corporation must pay a tax!”
    “Let’s some how make every American an employee and subject to that rule”.
    All “Tax-Payers” are “public officers”.
    The tax is upon a “trade or business”, which is defined in 26 U.S.C. 7701(a)(26) as the “functions of a public office”.

    You cannot earn “income” unless an information return is filed against you and 26 U.S.C. 6041(a) says that these information returns cannot lawfully be filed against you unless you are engaged in a “trade or business”.

    Those not engaged in the “trade or business”/”public office” franchise and not receiving government payments cannot earn “gross income” or “taxable income”. (Makes you wonder why every thing you do comes with benefit “strings” from the government?).

    Those eligible for Socialist Security are referred to in the code as; “Federal Personnel”. See 5 U.S.C.552a(a)(13). Don’t forget to see who owns that SS#; 20CFR 422.103(d).

    Basically, and so I don’t need to go down this hole as it is very deep, you got tricked. You were promised to be taken care of, just sign up for SS and we’ll make it all better. The government takes care of you in Communism. In a Republic; the people take care of the government.

    Oh but wait, they cover their a$$ with 18 U.S.C. 912 that states it is a crime to impersonate a “public officer” and being that congress does not have the power to create public offices,….who are you gonna bitch to? It’s our own fault for just doing what we are told.

    “Any one entering into an arrangement with the government takes the risk of having accurately ascertained that he who purports to act for the government stays within the bounds of his authority, even though the agent him self may be unaware of the limitations upon his authority.” [Federal Crop Insurance v. Merrill, 332 U.S. 380-388 (1947].

    In a nut shell, you work for a private corporation and you cannot change the policy of that company.
    How do you fix it? Ain’t easy. The IRC in NOT law but a private code. You would need to dump any association with the “government” and that includes any participation with the franchise; unemployment, medicaid, medicare or what ever your State calls it’s benefit, any type of “government” grants, you’d need to drop out of SS, you can get the forms right off their site, you need to know the form number, they don’t tell you they have any, and they don’t tell you the only way they can use private money for public use is if you offer it with a W-2 attached to a 1040 “gift statement” that converts a class 5 tax to a class 2, and they don’t tell you that they cannot compel you to sign a W-4 agreement to withhold per 26CFR 31.3401(a)-3(a), 26CFR 31.3402(p)-1.
    You cannot have a driver’s license and you don’t need one. You have the right to travel. You’ll require a passport but you’ll need to be declared a “National”. You cannot have domicile on any federal territory (which is just a state of declaration). You cannot use a SS#, it isn’t yours to use and it is illegal to use it for ANYTHING but a function of public office. Consider this, you open a bank account with that #, that account is the property of the U.S. Government because you opened it in the capacity of a public office. (Oh and, by the way, you don’t need permission from any one but your wife’s father to get married. When you get a license for marriage, you are telling the state that you are incompetent and need their supervision. That, in turn, means anything created in that marriage (children) are supervised by the state, they are custodians. You, as a parent/guardian, and that term on forms is deliberate, have no rights to those things created in the marriage if the state deems you unfit, which you already told them you are when you asked them for permission to be married. Phucked huh?).
    You cannot file tax returns or for refunds if you cannot earn income or wages, doing so tells them you are subject to the code. Even one of the forms require you to “admit” you are a taxpayer when you back out of SS. (There are three forms I know of, I don’t have em’ handy and I really need to get back to work. I have em at home and could tell you later). You’d need to file, if you did, a 1040NR and you;ll need to provide employers with a W-8BEN but, it isn’t all that easy. There is far more to it.

    There is no “social security fund”. All you tax and social security is used to pay the interest on loans that the private corporation takes from the Federal Reserve for their own purposes.
    Oh yea, how about; take a few billion in loans out, put the burden of interest on the American People and use that money to bail out the banks that the bank you just took the loan out from, owns? Nice. Nothing you can do because you are an “employee” and cannot vote on it.

    Oh this goes on but, you cannot believe me, or any one else. You MUST learn the truth for your self.
    You are supposed to be FREE. No government has jurisdiction over you unless you contract it. “They” tricked you into contracting your rights away. You have none. Find in the IRC what a “U.S. Citizen” is. I bet you’ll think it isn’t you!

    You do not have a constitutional government. The majority of the states are involved in “trade or business” with the U.S. government. Congress are “employees” and do not serve your interests. It/they are foreign to the constitution and free people.

    How does the media “black out” information? Follow the money. Media out lets are owned. I didn’t here a peep about Ron Paul running for President out here on the East Coast. No out covered him. It is sickening how the media is used to mis-inform and control. Watch a news story that there is a shortage of bread or milk and watch thousands of sheeple run to Wal-Mart to buy up all that is there. Tell the people that the swine flu is the black death of the century and watch how much money gets dumped into government sponsored drug companies while millions line up for something they did no research on. How many people in government have their hands in big business that prosper from these lemming runnings? Watch all these “bills” getting passed and find out what is in them. Quite a bit has nothing to do with the proposals, quite a bit has more to do with creating a more powerful police state.

    I need to stop, or find a soap box forum.
    What can you do? LEARN THE TRUTH!
    Rememeber, they cannot break the law, they cannot take away your rights (the can try by force and have the media say you are an extremist or domestic terrorist)but the CAN trick you into doing it your self. Ignorance of the law is no excuse and that rings very true.

    Partying on the train to Auschwitz, VR? Oh yea, I’m on the “red” list now for certain. There’s a FEMA camp nearby for every one. By law, just for me typing this, I am now a terrorist and can be detained indefinitely without formal charge. Think we are free?

    I wonder how the FED is going to re-organize? The “people” need to be satisfied some how and there needs to be a pony show to make them think they had a voice and could assert some control. I Bet Bernake is getting nervous that he is going to end up like a washed up soap star, with a brain tumor.
    With politicians who rock the boat and get out of line, they all get exposed for having affairs, that’s been working for years. C’mon guys, that’s getting old can you come up with something new?

    We need to re-install a constitutional government for the people, by the people and proceed to round up and hang every one of the traitors to the American people. We need to reach out to the other , foreign governments and let them know that we have all been pawns pitted against each other for the profit of a select few. We need to get their help in hunting down these “terrorists” and bringing them to justice, AND HANG BY THE NECK UNTIL DEAD, EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM AS A MESSAGE TO ANY AND ALL WHO MIGHT ATTEMPT TO PERPETRATE SUCH AN ATROCITY IN THE FUTURE.
    Nancy, Barney and the rest of you, you reading this? No country will grant you asylum when the revolution comes to fruit. You will not be able to hide. Any of you. It’s just a race now, for the people to either wake up in time or for your final solution to take effect. I hope we wake up first. I want my children to know what patriotism is about. I want them to be proud that their father assisted in the taking back of his country. I want the history books for our generations to come to know the power of the people. The revolution that made us free, will make us free again.

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    1. Kevin

      Chris, my name is Kevin. I’m a husband and a father of 2 toddlers, and I live in Southern California. You are really opening my eyes, but it’s a LOT to swallow all at once. I will read through everything several times, and research it all as I can – you have my word on that. I am not a lawyer, and that makes it all the harder, but I’ll do my best.

      THANK YOU!

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    2. samjam

      I once challenged a prosecutor on the marriage license thing. I reminded him that the Illinois Revised Code openly admits that no law has ever been passed requiring someone to get a marriage license. He repeatedly stated that my marriage would not be valid but I showed him in state law that I could force it to be validated. Finally in the end he said that he would go after the minister who marries us.

      I told him that the minister would not have a license and would not be subject to the UCC code that states that any LICENSED minister who marries someone without having been presented with a marriage license is in violation of a 3rd degree misdemeanor and would be subject to a $500.00 fine and/or 30 days in jail. They don’t have any laws like that concerning “unlicensed ministers”. He almost flipped out and ended up saying he’d cross that bridge when he came to it. I advised him that he was already at that bridge. In the end he lost the argument.

      To do everything the legal way, you must state your intention to marry this person (ad in major news publication for 3 weeks or so), they begins using your last name, you both live together as man and wife for 6 months, have an exchange of vows before a “man of the cloth” who gives you a marriage certificate with his signature and the signatures of 3 others per marrying person as witnesses to the vows. Then you simply go to the courthouse with your evidence of marriage and they HAVE to register your marriage to the other person. That’s called “common law marriage”. Anything else in my opinion is, “uncommon law”

      As I understand so far, without a marriage license you are not subject to the rule and regulations of “family court”. Without one they have to settle it the old fashion way. You give up a lot of rights with a marriage license.

      How did they get these ministers to get licenses when the 2nd amendment says congress shall make no laws respecting (or favoring) any religion or prohibit the free exercise thereof? Which basically means that no one has the power to deny or grant any kind of license for any kind of religion.

      What I’ve figured out so far is…..they offered them some illegal tax breaks. Every states constitution prohibits giving any any special gifts to any religious organization but these “ministers” enjoy tax breaks on everything from buying a car to real estate. They have special parking downtown for “clergy members”. Oh ya! If you’re “licensed” minister you get all the perks. Now you can’t even get into an institution like a prison to minister unless you have a license. Isn’t that a violation of religious freedom in itself?

      I also believe that legally…….It’s not a valid marriage. Because you also married the state. That’s polygamy. A license infers permission or denial. How can they deny you? So why would you need one when they freely admit there’s no law that says you have to have one? I’m not a religious zealot or any of that. This is just an example of my findings so far.

      I’ve also found that according to the constitution of the state of N.Carolina, the only reason you would need a drivers license is, if you were using the public roadways to make money such as a truck driver, or….a person who operates a food stand in the street….or a person who was moving a house or structure like a building.

      Then you become a member of the U.C.C. (uniform commercial code) and thereby become subject to all laws, rules and regulations of the road under that title. That’s why you don’t have a right to a jury trial that involves a traffic stop. You go to municipal court. (UCC)

      If I go to court because I couldn’t prove I had insurance (also unconstitutional because they should have to prove I don’t because they are the accusers) and then I also get charged with driving under suspension because they suspended my license because I didn’t prove I had insurance (wait! aren’t we innocent until proven guilty?)I’m not entitled to a trial. I have to get a lawyer and petition the court for a trial but meanwhile I sit in jail convicted. Wait….again! They accused me and I had to prove I was innocent?

      Ya I wish everybody had insurance like me but you can’t force someone to buy a product from a private company or take away his liberty for something that hasn’t happened and for a “crime” that has no victim, and no right to a trial. This is just one example of Americans giving up freedom for security. And I, like Ben Franklin believe that those who allowed our criminal lawmakers to do this for the benefit of private businesses, deserves NEITHER!

      Seat belt laws. It’s a good idea to wear a seat belt most of the time but I don’t think they really care if anyone gets killed in a car wreck? I don’t think they don’t care about you, your kids, or anyone else. I think they’re are saving the insurance companies a lot of money and collecting some extra revenue (seat belt tickets) for their treasury. Another law passed solely to benefit big business and greedy government.

      That was a good post you made. It inspired this rant you just witnessed…..LOL…. I’m currently studying for the My bar exam. It took a real legal nightmare to wake me up. But I woke up and I’m learning a little more about them everyday. I’ve been called a nut more times than I can count but I’m finally starting to see other posts where someone else has figured it out too. Thanks for that post. My batteries have been recharged.

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      1. ChrisBalls

        Awesome! You rock!
        You have the right to contract, end of story. Want to get married,? ask her dad or make an agreement (one that would satisfy both parties incase of divorce because you cannot use “family court” as you mention), have it witnessed and file it at the county recorder. Done. It must be recognized as legal. You have the right and the power to contract.
        Massachusetts has ruled already that a marriage is between a man, a woman and the State (polygamy!). (Damn I can’t remember that case name!!! I got it at home). The argument when you get nailed because the state is claiming jurisdiction over your marriage is simple; the nature of that contract was not revealed and was hidden, that makes it void on its face. Unlike the IRC which provides you with the code, it is up to you to figure it out though, but at least in MA, there is no information available on the nature of the marriage contract.

        I am “in process” so, there is much I am not on top of yet. I am having a difficult time, but I am not so vested in it yet, to find an insurer to insure a “National” who does not require a license. You don’t “need” insurance but, to me that’s like seat belts; I wear em’, I make my passengers wear them (keeps them out of my lap if I need to try and control a vehicle in an accident!) but no one should be able to tell me I have to and fine me if I don’t! Seat belts, like speed limits are private law. My recent project is protecting my self from the State while driving as a private citizen. I just need some more time.
        Also, you should be looking into diplomatic status. That’s a handy tool to end all arguments of presumption. If you are a National, you are foreign to the U.S. Government but a natural citizen of a union state. It would take a declaration of war to invade you or your property.

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        1. samjam

          I’m going to research becoming a nationalist. Sometimes it seems that I learn something everyday no matter how hard I try not to…..LOL…So many people don’t understand that our founding fathers did NOT sculpt a “democracy” when they wrote the constitution. They sculptured a document declaring our LIBERTY! There is a vast difference. In a democracy 51% of the people can control my life. With liberty no one controls my life as long as I don’t hurt anyone else. In the same turn, freedom of speech does not mean you can yell, “FIRE” in a crowded theater any more than freedom of religion means you can sacrifice babies on some alter. It takes common sense to live free.

          Keep posting and waking people up. I’m on board!

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          1. ChrisBalls

            The constitution was framed specifically to keep government from doing what it is doing.

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  16. VR

    Partying on the Train to Auschwitz

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  17. Herewe Goagain

    You can start with the ‘Act of 1871′
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVsMUpPgdT0

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  18. ChrisBalls

    Ugh, you are all (most) missing it. You cannot “audit” the Fed. They may be getting all upset about the bill but it is not because of an “audit”. It is because it will be revealed that they cannot be audited. That is the “truth” that they are concerned about being “found out”.
    It is easy enough to discover this your self. You simply need to read the contracts and who is who. You cannot petition the “government” as it is ruled a “corporation” by the supreme court. It is also a “private” corporation created by the constitutional government to do business for them/us (take loans, etc. which a government cannot do on behalf of the people) and that new corporation, “government”, was/is restricted to the DoC. Here’s the kicker; you are employed by that private corporation by electing to be a “tax-payer”. You will really benefit by reading (and understanding) the contracts we enter in the IRC.
    If you question that, you need to ask how congress can convert private earnings into public use and how they can convert public funds to private use. It is illegal and unconstitutional, unless you agreed to it. We did. You need to read what happened and how. It is all available to you. Then we will truly be able to correct this abuse. It needs to be done legally and it needs to be done correctly. Education is key.
    You cannot audit the Fed., and they know it. It is in the contract, that was also unconstitutional to enter. If people learn the truth for them selves,….there’s a lynching in the future. I hope it is soon.
    However, being that the Fed. is a private company, does any one have an idea of how we could legally put a lien on them? I think they have over extended them selves and being that it is “tax-payer” money and they are a foreign company doing business in America,….maybe we could put a lien on them? Sound silly? Seriously. I’m open for suggestions.

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    1. Kevin

      This is the most intriguing post on here, in my opinion, especially if it’s true. Can you clarify a couple of things for me?

      1) How did “we” agree to Congress giving power to the Fed originally?
      2) Was it done under false pretenses, or was it done with full and honest disclosure?
      3) How can we undo our consent, if in fact we gave it with full knowledge to begin with?
      4) Why is media blacking out the subject, and how can we fix that?
      5) If a crime and/or misinformation has been carried out by members of Congress and/or the Whitehouse, who can or will bring the perpetrators to justice?

      Not sure if you have any of these answers, but I appreciate your attention to the questions. If you can’t answer them, perhaps you can suggest someone who can?

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    2. Bob Veigel

      Do not know for sure Fed cannot be audited, but it sure can be put out of business. Congress authorizes their budget and all that has to happen. Fed, no more money. See you, bye, bye.

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  19. Kevin

    Issues relating to the Fed are essentially being blacked out by the media, but who the hell will investigate it? Even the Supreme Court has continually refused to hear cases on its legality! This may require a true revolution in the strictest sense, if justice isn’t made available anywhere else.

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  20. Mr. Thomas

    I voted “depends on what the audit reveals”, but I can only assume that they have their hands in some dirty business. I don’t like the fact that they can keep so many things secrets from the people that give them their money. So, if they are audited, we’ll see the results and if there’s even so much as one cent out of line, abolish them.

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  21. Bob Veigel

    We all have favorite shows and/or programs. Three I like are Rush, Free Republic & McElvany. (There are others, Cheyenne and most Westerns). Viewed a McElvany video the other day. Next week his guest will be G. Edward Griffin author of ‘Creature from Jekyll Island’. Many of you are familiar with the story of the Fed founding. In view of Paul’s petition to have an audit of the Fed, I took another look at Griffin’s 45 minute video. It was more than a little disturbing in view of our present financial mess. My conclusion. Our government and the Fed are the two largest criminal organizations in America and maybe the world. And have been for 96 years. What these two organizations have done to our earnings and savings is criminal and is getting worse daily. At the same time both are becoming richer and more controlling. We are all going to be living in a serfdom and under the control of the money robber barons, sooner rather than later. It is time to wake-up, quit talking, take action and vote these groups out of business. We do not need the Fed. We do not need a self serving government. We need honest politicians who love America and put Nation first and their personal ambitions a distant second. Should we settle for less?

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  22. John Galt

    Audit the Fed.
    Abolish the Fed.
    Indict the Fed. and the IRS
    Arrest the Fed. and the IRS
    Prosecute and imprison the Fed. and the IRS.
    Repatriate all fraudulently acquired wealth and property and make the Nation whole.

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  23. Allison

    Be careful of the Butterfly effect. There is a reaction to every cause. Getting rid of the Fed won’t eliminate the Luciferians who run it and every other sinister organization. They’re all guilty of controlling the World. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t fight the injustice(s)! We need more strategy, patience and desire to succeed. Let’s not make uninformed decisions. As good as getting rid of that group sounds, it might leave us hanging with no money to defend ourselves if it becomes necessary. We ought to find a way to limit their power over us.

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  24. Christine

    Audit first. The need to abolish this small little group of elite bankers will become self-evident.

    Allowing them to have control over our monetary system in secret allows them to alter the course of our country, our lives, and our world in devastaing ways.

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  25. Christine

    Alan Grayson Questions AIG Math: Let’s Change the Length of Inches So I’m Shorter!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6baBFKZETOE&feature=channel

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  26. Christine

    Grayson Grills Citigroup CEO
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U73dfpQ4YGg&feature=related

    The final days of the FED. Grayson is on the case.

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  27. Christine

    Alan Grayson. He’s got the right approach and demeanor. He’s direct, commanding of the situation (interrogation, has a right to know and ask) and calculating, not whiney. He’s helping congress to see that they/we need to take the country’s power back by taking control of it’s monetary system. I think we will discover and confirm that they FED has been playing one nation against another all around the world for a very long time. When the number of lives lost in wars incited and financed by this little group of men, we will conclude that they are more than financially dangerous. They continually destroy our ability to live in peace…life, liberty and the purusit of happiness (for all people). Perhaps peoples in all nations will be “upset” when the truth is known, the elite banker’s popularity quickly overturned. Karma. What is it they say about paybacks?

    Fed Lends Two Trillion Without Oversight
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxuqmPyKqcs&feature=related

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  28. Chris Baldinelli

    You can’t “audit” the Fed. It is in their contract. Review Bretton Woods Agreement. The Fed is not a government agency. It is an independant, foreign bank. “We” (unconstitutional, U.S. government with power limited to the DoC and federal territories)sold the bank rights to the banks for $450million with the provision that we could buy it back for that. So, just buy it back. Paper, fiat money is illegal. It has no value and no backing. Duh. (Makes you wonder who is trying to buy up all America’s gold?).
    Barrack? Not a constitutional president. Born in Hawaii. Hawaii and Alaska are not states of the union and congress did not have in its capacity to induct them as such at that time. So, technically, and constitutionally, he cannot hold the presidential office. He can be president for “U.S. Corp.” but not as a constitutional president. Nor can he write executive orders as president. He has no power other than what the people afford him. Unless,…he is not “president”. In the capacity of a foreign corporation’s president, he can make the rules up as they see fit. We’ve all been duped. We’ve been lied to. You cannot be a U.S. Citizen and you are not eligible for SS. That is for private, federal personnel. Reclaim your “National” status and re-take your country and control, re-create your government. The power right now belongs to a private, foreign corporation that rules over you. Smarten up and read it for your self. They cannot break the laws but they can obscure them so you don’t know what they are. DOn’t be confused. We have the power to over throw a government that does not serve the people. There is no government to over throw. It is a private corporation and you are its collateral.

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  29. sam jam

    Who actually owns the Federal Reserve Central Banks? For those who think that the Federal Reserve is NOT privately owned, I invite you to research this data and correct me.

    1. Rothschild Bank of London
    2. Warburg Bank of Hamburg
    3. Rothschild Bank of Berlin
    4. Lehman Brothers of New York
    5. Lazard Brothers of Paris
    6. Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
    7. Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
    8. Goldman, Sachs of New York
    9. Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
    10. Chase Manhattan Bank of New York

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  30. Chris Taylor

    Abolish the Vampire fed, ENOUGH SUCKING US ALL DRY, enough PRIVATE profiting at the expense of the people. NO MORE FIAT CURRENCY NAZIS…Kick it to the curb……Let the creature from Jekyll island DIE…..

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  31. longshotlouie

    Speaking of road trips, what about Bohemian Grove?
    http://www.henrymakow.com/

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    1. sam jam

      longshotlouie Jul 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
      “Speaking of road trips, what about Bohemian Grove?”
      http://www.henrymakow.com/

      I love a good road trip. We’ll kick some “owl” ass.

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      1. longshotlouie

        Could get slippery.

        lol

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  32. Matt

    Speculative bubbles have occurred throughout history, both with and without a Central Bank.

    “Most economists and politicians have questioned the federal reserves recent actions”

    Interesting, to admin’s wit, there is another side for sure, and summarily discounting, while demonstrating your ‘faith to the cause’ so to speak is admirable to an extent, it is also just as scary:

    “Sixty-one percent of investors surveyed in the first Quarterly Bloomberg Global Poll say the world economy is stable or improving and almost 75 percent take a favorable view of the 55-year-old chairman. By almost a three-to-one margin, they say Bernanke has earned another four-year term when his current one expires in January.

    “He’s the best, maybe around the world,” said Wallace Lin, an investment manager with Euro Asset Management in Hong Kong, who participated in the poll. Investors ranked Bernanke higher than his counterparts at other major central banks, including European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ayUz0vNR2XGc

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    1. Thor Mikkelson

      Speculative bubbles, are rely on excess amount of debt, only a central bank can provide such an large amount of debt.

      Bernanke does not own the federal reserve. United States Government does not own the federal reserve. You cannot find out who owns the federal reserve. I like Bernanke, but he is just another puppet following orders, a well paid puppet to be honest.

      Matt, you are trying to confuse Bernanke with the privately owned central bank known as the fed. They one is a puppet, and the other is a Goliath, with so much money that nobody on earth can oppose.

      Matt, you are defending goliath, yet I stand here with rocks and a slingshot. Trying to get others to help out against the completely corrupt and self serving federal reserve. The federal reserve controls all of the money, and all of the congress. But God is not on their side, they are running clawing their way to maintain power and control over the world economy. I think the world is quick to their trickery, once the egg of their deception is cracked, it cannot survive for long.

      Decide now, will you stand up for good and honesty, or will you defend an all powerful central bank that has historically manipulated the world economy to it’s own ends?

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      1. Matt

        Speculative bubbles can absolutely occur in the absence of a central bank – look up Tulip Mania back in the 1700′s:

        http://www.damninteresting.com/the-dutch-tulip-bubble-of-1637

        Finally, lets say you eliminate debt completely and everyone has savings. What is to prevent those savings from being turned into speculative investments should the ‘next big thing’ come along? Free market implies speculation, and so long as there is speculation there will be momentum and momentum chasers.

        RE: The Fed, you are not the only one defending Goliath, but over 300 renowned economists have petitioned Congress and are doing so, but in a different way:

        “”The independence of U.S. monetary policy is at risk. We urge Congress and the Executive Branch to reaffirm their support for and defend the independence of the (Fed) as a foundation of U.S. economic stability,” the statement said.

        “Central bank independence has been shown to be essential for controlling inflation,” the statement added.”

        http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE56E69R20090715

        Here is the petition being signed, quite a few luminaries:

        http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/anil.kashyap/research/petition_signees.pdf

        Please understand, in this case I am not personalizing the matter, just trying to objectively present an opposing viewpoint.

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    2. VR

      Buttered Bread

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    3. longshotlouie
  33. FederalReserveDebt

    We should introduce competing currencies again and just forget the idea of a central bank just like Montana has done……

    Phase out the Fed if we have to by introducing competition into the market again, so we have gold/silver, liberty dollars, and real currency again.

    The Federal Reserve wasn’t a Jesuit scheme, it was a scheme by Zionist Bankers.

    A whole gaggle of Zionist Jews, Zionist Jesuits & Zionist Protestants……Mostly the former, created the Federal Reserve.

    That scheme has bankrupted and nearly indebted everyone as a slave state to foreign governments (IE: Israel, Turkey etc.) and that scheme has more than worn its welcome with America

    The Federal Reserve is a FRAUD
    http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/mcfadden.html
    Audit it immediately and get your senators on board. Find out what they’re doing so we can act on real changes & not blind faith…..

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  34. sam jam

    Author: Mark
    Comment in part: “Children must be taught in detail from the earliest age about the United States Constitution, so that they have it in their heads, what freedom is, what are your rights! so as to never let this happen to America.”

    If you want to leave your children with a legacy, this is how you do it. We should demand that our schools teach this the same as math and “English”. Imagine a school where the kids say the Pledge of Allegiance every morning before class starts and then they enjoy an hour of “Constitution 101″. There are private schools that do this very thing. Their students hold tops honors in ALL state competitions, they are more successful as small business owners, they have a drastically lower rate of incarceration or suicide, they have one tenth the divorce rate, and their children follow their example. No law enforcement agency tramples their rights simply because most of them know the constitution better than the average lawyer you see in court these days.

    Sadly I believe that we don’t have that, because we don’t demand that. Maybe we should introduce a proposal that would become law, that this is a required course for basic education or you don’t graduate. That would truly be an investment in America.

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    1. VR

      We called that class ‘Civics’, back in the day.

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  35. John

    I hope to god that we win this one. Kennedy was killed trying to save America, by giving the powers of the FED back to the government with that Executive Order (of which I don’t remember the number) signed in June or July 1963. I believe that is the reason he was assassinated a few months later. And its funny, the conspiracy behind JFK’s assassination, is very similar to that of 9/11.
    Not only should we abolish the FED but, we must arrest the Rockefeller’s and the Rothchild’s of this world. Let’s let them know that they are not in charge, America belongs to the people! Hopefully it’ll be “We the People” again, and not “We the Blind Sheep”. God bless America, the great nation that I am so proud to be a citizen of, but that I have to see fall to pieces at the hands of those disgusting control freaks!
    Take care everyone.

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    1. sam jam

      “Kennedy was killed trying to save America, by giving the powers of the FED back to the government”

      Your entire comment was very moving to me. I believe that Johnson was in it up to his “red Texas neck”. Don’t get me wrong….I have a new respect for Texas rednecks after the “Chuck Norris” experience….LOL…I was in a bar in Texas and saw a pair of boots in the corner with a shirt and a pair of jeans laying on them. I said what anyone red-blooded Yankee would say….”Hmmm…looks like a Texan with the shit kicked out of him”….There was not one Texan in that bar that wasn’t involved in the ensuing fight that took place shortly after my comment was digested. After we all got out of jail we went straight to the “Big Boy” Restaurant to talk about all “the good parts” of the earlier fight. There was no shooting or stabbing, or later drive-bye shooting. Country folks don’t do that in Texas. But they DO…still use iodine….ouch! And, the cops did tell me that for a Yankee, I held my own…pretty good…..LOL

      God bless Texas……and Ron Paul!

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      1. VR

        Call ahead next time. We’ll take you to a hayseed tailgate party. Fixin’s strictly home-made.

        God Bless The Republic of Texas

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        1. sam jam

          I might just do that. Ya know, I went to a concert in Chandler Texas…east of Tyler….And I was absolutely astounded at the beautiful girls that were just….raisin hell….at a country music concert. Even the elderly were good lookin…..LOL…I went to a barbecue the next day in Coffee City and expecting to see a grill and a couple of people. There was a 55 gallon drum cut in half longways, so that half was the lid, and the other half held the coals. There was a whole pig, a huge box of steaks, about 4000 beers and 150 people or more….neighbors I guess?

          Anyway, I had my guitar so I showed them how a yankee country boy does Garth, John Michael Montgomery, Travis Tritt, James House, Collin Raye, and a few others. I now have at least 100 places to stay when I visit Texas.

          In Texas I found out that Someone doesn’t just die. “They open themselves up a worm farm”. A scoundrel is “greasy as fried lard”; a summer day is “hotter than a fur coat in Marfa”. Some women are “meaner than a skilletful of rattlesnakes”. Some guys are “so low they’d steal the nickels off a dead man’s eyes”. Some women “make a hornet look cuddly”. And some are “just meaner than a junkyard dog”.

          One guy told the cop, I’d start a fight at the drop of a hat, “and then he’d drop it himself”. Not sure what all that means but as long as they was buyin, I was drinkin…..LOL…Either way, I had a blast. And hey, thanks for the invite. I’ll make sure I have my guitar.

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          1. VR

            Coffee City !! Lake Palestine !!
            Have a house on the SE side of the lake.

            Play carefully with those Texas Girls.
            http://www.rhapsody.com/flaco-jimenez/partners/the-girls-from-texas/lyrics.html

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