Show: Alex Jones Show
Date: August 5, 2009
Alex Jones: We have the one and only Dr. Ron Paul, Congressman Ron Paul, here to talk about socialized healthcare, he has actually read the subsections and we have them here. Total takeover, he’ll be breaking that down. He’s got bills to beat it and to really fix healthcare, auditing the Fed, we’re going to get into that, and so much more. And he’s a medical doctor and we’ll talk about this flu hype, trying to stampede people into federalization, U.N. control, level 6 pandemic, and a lot more with Congressman Ron Paul.
Congressman, thank you for joining us today.
Ron Paul: Thank you, good to be with you.
Alex Jones: Let’s get into the national socialist healthcare, Obama trying to stonewall people and say “this is no big deal,” but people have now read the bill. You’re a medical doctor and a Congressman; can you tell us what’s really in that bill?
Ron Paul: Well, it is nationalized healthcare on this pretense that it isn’t completely just means there is some transition involved. So their goal is to have a one party payer, which means that they control everything. And there are a lot of other bad things too, like this effort to consult with anybody who is over a certain age and talk to them about end-of-life type of procedures. This bill is just such an outrage. The American people see it for what it is. It is going to cost a lot of money, their care is not going to be improved, and the special interests will be served.
Alex Jones: Congressman, when I was talking to you when we first got you on, you brought up the rebellion against really both parties, the Republicans and Democrats. Doggett being shot down, Republican Congressman, Delaware Congressman, Specter getting chanted down. People saying “We don’t want your socialist big-government healthcare.” That has got to be exciting when their own constituents are shouting them down.
Ron Paul: Yea, and this is different. I don’t remember seeing the people so angry as they are now. But I think what they have discovered is that the government is a failure. It isn’t so much that they’re all saints now and they don’t want the government taking care of them. I think a lot of people have come to the realization that you can’t trust the government. They feel that the government has been promising me all this, and they were going to give me all these free things that wouldn’t to cost anything, and I’d have a good job and live happily ever after. They’re starting to realize now that it’s not so, and they’re going to end up with a lot of debt, and the government can’t be trusted. That’s a healthy start. So, it is our job now to fill in the void and tell them what the role of government ought to be so that we can take all this energy and anger and redirect it.
Alex Jones: Exactly, because you have always said that the danger point is that when we come to this crisis, the collapse of big government, they’re going to try to make the government even bigger and have a total tyranny. We’ve got to be there beforehand and during this, saying “no, let’s get back to the system that’s proven to be the most bountiful, the most free; the beautiful system, the great design our founders gave us.”
Ron Paul: Yeah, and up until now they’ve been able to use fear as their best tactic. Whether it’s on foreign policy issues or domestic policy issues, that’s how that first TARP fund went through. They say, “The whole thing would be collapsing. We have to do this rapidly. Don’t ask any questions. Appropriate 700 billion dollars and we’ll take care of everything.” So if things get worse they’ll say, “Boy, this is more reason than ever for the government to take over.” And of course we still have the threat of martial law coming in because I think they haven’t forgotten about that and I don’t think they’d hesitate to use it.
Alex Jones: Congressman, when we come back I want to talk about the establishment’s response to the majority of House members now wanting to audit the Fed and the people getting angry. Lloyd Doggett and others went on the news and said it was all staged, all fake. It didn’t matter that I found out my neighbor was there, buying groceries at Randall’s in South Austin where I lived, and went over and started chanting. It didn’t matter if one of my dad’s employees in his dental office was there at the meeting, a Democrat who has sent a letter and that she was mad at him. It didn’t matter that it was real. He just says it’s fake. But everywhere people are saying “No, this just sounds like Marie Antoinette – let them eat cake.”
Ron Paul: Yeah. They’ll wake up soon, I think that this is not going to go away very quickly.
Alex Jones: Absolutely, but we’re going to have to break. We’re going to come back and talk more about this. There they are chanting at Lloyd Doggett. Hundreds and hundreds of people literally chasing him from the building, and he says it’s staged. Well, it’s not staged.
Alex Jones: Well, it’s great to have Ron Paul for a full half hour today with his very busy schedule. I have lot of emails here with questions that listeners want me to ask, so let’s go ahead with the questions. We ended that segment with video and audio of Congressman Lloyd Doggett, a big collectivist, being booed off the stage at a Randall’s grocery store here in Austin.
Now I talked to people that were there and they said “We don’t want this.” He said, “I don’t care what you want, I’m going to do it.” I saw him during the Cap and Trade say “I don’t care if I’m getting 5 to 1 calls against this, I’m going to do it.” That seems to be his call sign. And then the media is acting like it’s un-American and bad that citizens would dare chant at him. Is it un-American to go talk to your politicians?
Ron Paul: Well, when we can’t do that then it’s all over, you know. The first amendment tells you something about petitioning Congress and having some redress. So I would say that if they ever get to the point where they want to enforce that where you can’t call down your elected officials, the ballgame is over. But right now I think there is still enough room, you’re still on the radio, I still speak out, I’m still in Congress. So we have a vehicle and the answer is going to be in can we awaking and alert enough people to become activists and rally the cry for freedom.
Alex Jones: So the control freaks statist are in a race against time. We’re in a race against them. Where would you put our situation as humanity, as an American people? We see a huge awakening taking place. Is the momentum beginning to shift in our direction?
Ron Paul: I don’t think there is any doubt about it. You know, I keep thinking about what our history was like in the 1920s and the 1930s. In the 1920s and the early 1930s everything had already shifted intellectually. But even when Roosevelt ran in 1932 he ran on a conservative platform for the gold standard and balancing the budget and he criticized Hoover for doing all the dumb things. But the intellectual community had already come to the welfare state and socialism and that is of course what Roosevelt responded to. I think it may well be reversed right now. Because now when I go out and talk to colleges and campuses and kids and all, they know what Austrian economics are, and they know about the Federal Reserve. I mean just think of the momentum we have on the Federal Reserve; auditing the Fed. So I would say that underneath the momentum is on our side. But in Washington and the intellectual community are still very statist. So this [...] is very encouraging that we have to translate that eventually into political action. But the contest is on and we have a long way to go yet.
Alex Jones: Congressman, what are the tricks up the sleeve of the establishment? The people don’t want socialized healthcare, they don’t want open borders, they don’t want new wars, they don’t want a private Federal Reserve that’s above the law. But the establishment, it seems, instead of trying to give an olive branch, seems to be entrenching themselves further.
You’re a well read person, I’m sure you’re know Alabama is announcing that they’ll use the regular army as their new police force. New York is asking for federal troops. The marines in California are running DWI checkpoints. CNN and Fox are reporting that the army is going to lock down cities and try to carry out forced inoculations.
Now, they’re trying to announce this, I’m not saying they’re going to get away with it. But they’re certainly saying it. Martial law was threatened against Congress last year if they didn’t give in to the bankers. Clearly it appears NORTHCOM is a receivership arm now for the off-shore corporations that are trying to assimilate or absorb the United States.
Your comments on the swine flu, the hype, the fear? It’s killed less than 200 people in the U.S. and the regular flu kills 37,000 the CDC says, but they’re saying the end of liberty, the end of freedom, forced inoculations because of a couple hundred dead. Is this an excuse for federal expansion of power?
Ron Paul: Yeah, it is pure propaganda. You know, to get us involved overseas they use war propaganda, that somebody is going to attack us with a nuclear weapon if we don’t go in and invade other countries. The same way they scare people domestically. Most people don’t know what you just said that tens of thousands of people die from flu every year. And now we have a couple of hundred and they want us to just sacrifice our choices and just say, “Oh okay, if you tell us we need a shot, we’ll do it.” But there will come a time when there’ll be enough of us who would just raise cane.
But the other thing that is happening is the government is running out of money. There’s a limit, you know. They can have a lot of war propaganda but if they don’t have any money and can’t have these wars, the empire ends. The same way domestically, that’s what people should be prepared for bad times and survival reasons and know how to take care of themselves, know something about personal healthcare. And there probably will always be an underground economy regardless of how bad it gets, which means there will be… even in the Soviet system the people who were in the know-how always ended up with a private doctor, but let’s hope it never gets that bad. That’s the whole thing, that’s what we work so hard to try to prevent. But when you hear these stories about the use of force, the use of martial law and the tremendous invasion of our privacy, that to me is scary that nothing is private anymore. Everything in the government is secret, and your privacy is non-existent; that is what the real problem is. We need to reverse that sentiment.
Alex Jones: Well Congressman, you are a medical doctor, and I’ve pulled up your quotes from the 1970s when you came out and said, we had a few deaths at a military base… that by the way was triggered after the inoculations… and then thousands died, tens of thousands got sick from the swine flu vaccine itself. You were proven right then.
How did you know it was a fraud in 1976, 1977? And I know you’ve spoken out against it today. Can you specifically give us your take on where it’s going, because from my research it looks like Obama is going to use fear over this flu as a political smokescreen and as kind of a false flag to control a crisis so government can grandstand as our savior to push through the carbon tax in the Senate, to push through the amnesty, the gun control, the socialized healthcare. That’s why you now see Pelosi and others saying “We’re going to try this in October.” I mean, do you compare that that looks like how this is triangulating, or give us your expert opinion.
Ron Paul: It’s hard to say, but I think yes, there will definitely be some votes in September and October for them to bring this up. But on the inoculations, the main reason I was skeptical even in 1976 was that I don’t like the mass treatment of people; it was just bad medicine. That doesn’t mean that I have an attitude that inoculations are never good. As a matter of fact, I think polio was truly eradicated by inoculations, as well as smallpox.
But the questions is, should government be making massive decisions? Under the Constitution there is not supposed to be any government involvement at all. But government is in it. I remember that vote in the 1976; it was interesting because there were two of us who voted against it, and the other one was Dr. Larry McDonald. I’m sure you remember that name. He and I were the only two; I think there were three physicians in the Congress, but the two of us as physicians voted against it believing it was bad medicine.
Alex Jones: I would ask you, Congressman, please don’t take any flights from Alaska to South Korea.
Ron Paul: No, I don’t plan to do that.
Alex Jones: Well, I think there would be a revolt in this country if they did to you what they did to McDonald.
Ron Paul: We will continue the fight; there is no doubt about that. But the momentum is on our side, you know, people have warned me all about taking on the Federal Reserve. But the momentum is building. You know, we worry about how much pressure they have and how much authority they have. But because we’ve done our grassroots work, we’ve gotten the large majority of members of Congress to support our auditing bill. And that didn’t come from me persuading the Congressmen; that came from exactly what’s going on at these townhall meetings and the people being upset. And this way I think we harness the energy in the correct way and say “Look, there is a problem there and one of the problems is that they don’t tell us what they’re doing and here we have this secret organization that prints money, spends money outside the budget.” And people have responded and that’s why we have these 282 members of Congress, and I suspect we’re going to get more. Once we get to 290 or 300… around that area… which means we will have two-thirds of the vote, I think that’s the time I’m going to really start putting pressure on the leadership to bring this up. So far they’re indicating that they’ll bring the bill up in a mixture of other bills. But they might get bogged down so I think after we go back you may be hearing some announcements on where we want to direct our energies because we have such great momentum on the issue.
Alex Jones: And then if the Senate tries to block it with a procedure, that is going to be political suicide, isn’t it? Because in polls over 75% of Americans want to audit or abolish the Fed, that will only “Say what are you hiding, why can’t we look at what you’re doing?.” I mean did you see Bernanke… obviously you did… sputtering and bubbling around on PBS in Kansas City about why no one can see the books? I mean he looked like Sylvester caught with tweety bird feathers sticking out of his mouth.
Ron Paul: You know, what I’m suspecting, and we’ll see if I’m right about this suspicion, is that I think eventually they’re going to use national security as an excuse to keep the books closed. You know a lot of time what the CIA does is they say, “Oh, national security, you’re not allowed to know this. You can’t try this person for national security.” Because they do use funds to get involved in foreign affairs because they can make deals with other governments, other central banks, international financial organizations. And that’s the kind of stuff that they don’t want us to know about. So if there are some really big deals going on that they don’t want us to know about, we’ll see if they start talking about “Well, some of this stuff you guys shouldn’t know because that might undermine our national security.”
Alex Jones: Okay, Congressman, we got about 12 minutes left. I want to move quickly now through a whole host of questions. [...] Congressman, specifically on the economy, they told us three years ago we weren’t in a recession, and then two years later they admitted we’ve been in one for over a year. Then they said over a year ago they see “green shoots.” Now they’re saying again the economy is wonderful, we’ve turned a corner when every major indicator of joblessness and you name it, is getting worse and worse. Anybody on Main Street knows we’re in trouble. Maybe it’s good for bankers getting million dollar bonuses. What do you, as an economist, as a doctor, as a Congressman, what do you see happening? What is the data you’re seeing? Is this just more political hype to stall the imploding poll numbers of Barack Obama?
Ron Paul: Yeah, I think so. And the one group that is doing quite well is that Goldman Sachs group. Their business is booming and their profits are booming and they have lived off the government. But I think you’ll see little blips upwards and maybe they announce on the news, but it’s all propaganda. “Well, housing is doing so much better because it didn’t go down quite as quickly as last time.” – “Instead of losing 700,000 jobs lost month we lost 500,000 jobs” – and you’re supposed to feel good. So it’s a lot of propaganda. They first want you to be very fearful and to get you to go along with what they want to do. And then they turn around and they want to convince you they are doing such a grand job and they’ll tell you everything is wonderful. But there is a limit to how long they can fool the people. You know, if you’ve been out of work and you don’t have enough money to feed your kids and you listen to this, you just don’t buy into this stuff. So I’ve always argued that the people are generally 10 to 15 years ahead of Congress, whether it has to do with foreign policy or the drug war or now even on some of these things that they’re complaining about now. And that’s why these events are very important to get the attention of the members of Congress because ultimately they like their job and if they notice that there are enough people out there, they’re going to pay attention and they’ll change their voting.
Alex Jones: Well, Congress, when we looked at what the Federal Reserve and others are doing, you on the show before said we should have grand juries look at this as criminal activity. I mean, what about Goldman Sachs? It’s most of the financial team Obama has, it is clearly a conflict of interest. And when Bernanke and Paulson and Geithner and others get asked about it by you and others, they just laugh at you basically. I mean can you lay out a plan or put the bug in people’s ear about who should go for a criminal investigation of this?
Ron Paul: Well, I can’t list names, but it should be looked at and that’s one advantage it would have if we were allowed to look at these books to find out what kind of deals the Federal Reserve makes. But you know, it’s a little bit more than Bernanke shaking hands with somebody and saying “Well, we’re going to send you over 10 billion to tide you over.” It’s the immorality of the system, the violation of the Constitution, the idea that you can print money, the idea that gold is evil and that deficits don’t matter.
It’s this philosophic argument that is so crucial, and we’ve suffered from it. Both left and right have argued the case. You know, you have big government conservatives and big government liberals. It’s not like the conservative Republicans are for small government, you know that. But this is what we have to address; the immorality of the system. And somebody said, “Well, you know what, if we could just put Bernanke and people in the administration in prison this would solve it.” But really, the Congress is complacent in all this.
Alex Jones: I agree. I mean, they asked the Fed to control interest rates and all those points you’ve made, but the issue here is if we arrest these people for their crimes, that illustrates and breaks their back right there to put in a constitutional system. So I’m just saying, skip all the middle phases and go right to arresting the crooks. I mean, you have the special interest group of bankers who are above the law and can steal trillions of dollars, 23.7 trillion and none of it is there.
Ron Paul: Well, I don’t have quite enough information to tell you who’s going to get arrested or should be arrested or who’s going to do the arresting, you know.
Alex Jones: But your audit goes a long way towards beginning that process.
Ron Paul: That is the purpose, to find out the information. I don’t talk about control of monetary policy, I don’t talk about a new monetary system. I’m talking about transparency and opening up the books and then going from there. People are upset and angry and they know if these books get opened about the time we have prices going up, that will be the inflation tax. People are getting hit, but not as bad as if you have a CPI going up by 10%, 15% or 20%. That’s when the people are really going to be upset because they’ve lost a lot already. People lost a lot in the value of their homes and their stocks. But what happens if they lose the value of the purchasing power of their weekly paycheck or Social Security beneficiaries? And that is going to be a big event. That is something, no matter what the government does, they can’t take care of it because the more they go into deficit financing, once the psychology shifts it’s, amazing that we double the money supply and you didn’t have a tremendous shift in psychology. Gold holds its own and does go up, but there is really a point when the psychology shifts and they say “Well, we need to help the elderly and the unemployed, so we’re going to double their check because they can’t live on what they’re getting.” That psychology then is going to be the panic, and then you’ll wonder what happened to your currency.
Alex Jones: And then the inflation. So what happens it could happen overnight. Quickly in the time we got left, let me ask you a question: Does Dr. Paul see a default on U.S. debt, a bank holiday and a quick devaluation of the U.S. dollar much like happened in Argentina in early 2000? We already see them having to monetize quite a lot of the debt; the government buying its own debt.
Ron Paul: Well, I don’t think it’s going to be one of these things. In the old days they had delivered announcements and devaluations. The dollar has been devalued every single day. So that’s going to happen. But there will be a time when the psychology changes, when it will turn into a rout and that’s what they can’t control. And of course if they’re in the control of the government and the power and the army and everything else, and they end up picking up all the pieces. But I don’t think there will be a bank holiday, I mean that would help cause the panic that people then would really, really run out of currency. So they’re not going to close down the banks. They’re going to keep the presses running. They don’t default by not paying the bills, they’re always going to pay Social Security, they’re always going to…
Alex Jones: They default by inflating.
Ron Paul: That’s right. If they inflate 50% they just defaulted on half of their debt. And that’s the way they liquidate that debt.
Alex Jones: Okay Congressman, in the limited time – and more and more it looks to me like Obama is going to be a one-term president. He’s got a record drop in polls for a president seven months into office. Your take on Obama’s political fortunes, he promised the moon, he’s delivering none of it. What do you see happening?
Ron Paul: I don’t think he’ll be reelected. But I think it’s way too early to know that for sure. But his circumstances are much more difficult. And I often thought about this early on whether he would be like Roosevelt and never get blamed for anything. Roosevelt got more popular and kept getting re-elected in spite of the fact that he really prolonged the Depression.
Alex Jones: I don’t think he’s following the Roosevelt pattern.
Ron Paul: I know, I think you’re right on that. I think Obama is going to receive some of the blame and rightfully so. Not that he created the monster. The monster was there already.
Alex Jones: But he certainly works for the same people. Congressman, next: 2012 is a lot closer than it was. We’re talking 2 years away from the campaign starting up. Ron Paul going to be running for President 2012?
Ron Paul: Which country?
Alex Jones: Hahahaha. The United States. You know you have to run to educate people again and now they’re really going to be listening to you. Ron Paul, you’re running for 2012?
Ron Paul: I have no plans for that; I wouldn’t be able to make a decision on that today. I mean, that’s a long way off.
Alex Jones: But we know you’re going to do it and I’ll be supporting you.
Ron Paul: Thank you.
Alex Jones: Hey, what about your son? Another chip off the old block, he’s a medical doctor, Rand Paul. Looks like he can win in Kentucky, looks like he’s going to be running?
Ron Paul: It sure does. He’s making some announcements today and tomorrow, so I think it’s going to be explicit. His one contention was he didn’t want to take on an incumbent, you know, Bunning. Bunning is not the most popular guy, but he did do a pretty good job on the Federal Reserve and some other issues and he didn’t want to run against him. He didn’t think it was smart. But Bunning is out and now the big question is can Rand compete with Grayson who is the establishment candidate, and that will be a test on our supporters around the country whether they will send him enough money to run a good race.
Alex Jones: Campaign for Liberty website, Rand’s website, give us some of the sites we should visit, doctor.
Ron Paul: Well, CampaignForLiberty.com is our main site and that’s the one to go to and I don’t know precisely but I am sure Rand Paul for the Senate would find you something for his website. But we would welcome any support we can get.
Alex Jones: Absolutely, we’re going to have him back in the next few days and gain next week. We got his site up on screen also CampaignForliberty.com is up on screen. The barbecue is coming up in Texas, find out more at CampaignForLiberty.com on that..
Ron Paul: Go ahead.
Alex Jones: No go ahead with the barbecue.
Ron Paul: No, that would be Ron Paul for Congress, because this is going to be a political event. We’re hoping to have a real nice event because it isn’t a district and it is in Galveston and they got slaughtered with the hurricane. So we’re trying to perk the business community up a little bit there.
Alex Jones: In closing… we got about 45 seconds… John Holdren’s book calling for putting sterilants in the water, having the CPS take all children at birth and just total scientific dictatorship. Does it concern you that the White House science czar wrote a text book on how to carry out world government?
Ron Paul: Sure it does, but that stuff has been around. I’m just glad people are bringing it to the surface.
Alex Jones: Would you call for an investigation on Holdren about his ideas?
Ron Paul: I call for investigation of the whole government all the time because there is too much government, too secret. The more we find out about any other shenanigans the better.
Alex Jones: Congressman Ron Paul, have a great recess, God bless you.
Ron Paul: Thank you.
Alex Jones: Thank you so much.