Comments on: The Free Market is a Natural and Wise Regulator http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-08-19/ron-paul-the-free-market-is-a-natural-and-wise-regulator/ Ron Paul is America's leading voice for limited, constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, sound money, and a pro-American foreign policy. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:40:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Christinehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-08-19/ron-paul-the-free-market-is-a-natural-and-wise-regulator/comment-page-1/#comment-80499 Christine Thu, 01 Apr 2010 01:45:16 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3628#comment-80499 I'm not talking about the emotion of love. That is something else entirely than what I speak of. God is love. scripture. Love is the purest form of energy...that is God. We all come from God. God is everywhere present, in everyone and in all things... because it is energy. There is no place that God is not. Things of the spiritual nature are difficult to explain. High spiritual knowledge is an experience, not an explanation that others would understand. That's why Jesus used parables, to help others try to understand a level of his high level of wisdom and knowledge. I’m not talking about the emotion of love. That is something else entirely than what I speak of. God is love. scripture. Love is the purest form of energy…that is God. We all come from God. God is everywhere present, in everyone and in all things… because it is energy. There is no place that God is not. Things of the spiritual nature are difficult to explain. High spiritual knowledge is an experience, not an explanation that others would understand. That’s why Jesus used parables, to help others try to understand a level of his high level of wisdom and knowledge.

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]]> By: Christinehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-08-19/ron-paul-the-free-market-is-a-natural-and-wise-regulator/comment-page-1/#comment-80494 Christine Thu, 01 Apr 2010 01:40:24 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3628#comment-80494 Many Christian churches, perhaps all, do not teach the truth. They are divisive, one denomination thinks they are better than another, more right, others wrong, not unlike various faiths. They teach a version of what they think is the truth. That's why there are so many denominations under the heading of "Christian", all breakaways from one another when someone differed in their beliefs. I've ventured through a great lot of them in years past and came to some conclusions. Many churches are fear-based. Seems to come through loud and clear with the majority of them, if not all, because those who preach don't understand what the truth really is. They pass along many misunderstandings of what Jesus taught and how he taught. One Book, many interpretations = confusion, which has been exploited in many ways. Rather, the truth is clear, does not confuse, clears up confusion.Say what you will, but this system is not working for the most of humanity if you take a serious look around. Many crimes against humanity are performed every day.What kind of government or system allows people to die, go hungry, lose their home, jobs, healthcare, nutritious food, clean water, all because they don't have enough of those little sheets of green paper. You don't realize how much this fake system controls your mind and how you think until you take a step back and look at planet earth as a visitor would. Full of crazy crazy people doing senseless acts just for the beliefs that have all been invented and made up from NOTHING.I think we can do better than this. Many Christian churches, perhaps all, do not teach the truth. They are divisive, one denomination thinks they are better than another, more right, others wrong, not unlike various faiths. They teach a version of what they think is the truth. That’s why there are so many denominations under the heading of “Christian”, all breakaways from one another when someone differed in their beliefs. I’ve ventured through a great lot of them in years past and came to some conclusions. Many churches are fear-based. Seems to come through loud and clear with the majority of them, if not all, because those who preach don’t understand what the truth really is. They pass along many misunderstandings of what Jesus taught and how he taught. One Book, many interpretations = confusion, which has been exploited in many ways. Rather, the truth is clear, does not confuse, clears up confusion.

Say what you will, but this system is not working for the most of humanity if you take a serious look around. Many crimes against humanity are performed every day.

What kind of government or system allows people to die, go hungry, lose their home, jobs, healthcare, nutritious food, clean water, all because they don’t have enough of those little sheets of green paper. You don’t realize how much this fake system controls your mind and how you think until you take a step back and look at planet earth as a visitor would. Full of crazy crazy people doing senseless acts just for the beliefs that have all been invented and made up from NOTHING.

I think we can do better than this.

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]]> By: Foresthttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-08-19/ron-paul-the-free-market-is-a-natural-and-wise-regulator/comment-page-1/#comment-80365 Forest Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:46:44 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3628#comment-80365 "The futures markets for equity indices more often than not, drive the actual index. "Not true. In simplistic form, and by definition, futures are 'derivaties' and as thus 'derive' their value from the underlying index. Futures markets attempt to *predict* movements in the components of the indices by modeling the impact of data points upon the individual equities/components.As thus, you can't simply drive an index by purchasing futures/options as the moneyflow in index futures is going to be very small, in addition if the components of the index have contra information that would also create an arbitrage opportunity. In addition, there are not only a buyer and a seller on the future, but there is a buyer/seller on the underlying, as well as there are buyers and sellers on options of the underlying - ALL of which theoretically have the capital to solidify/fortify their position within the index or their component of the index so as to continue the search for a 'correct' valuation.Your other comment RE: Options Expiration: "The equity indices are manipulated by high frequency trading firms to make their options worth more on expiration date "If it were such easy money to bet against manipulation that isn't based on perceived fundamentals, wouldn't there be a veritable dearth of hedge funds/institutional investors that would LOVE to spring that trap? Again, why do y'all think there is honor among perceived thieves? “The futures markets for equity indices more often than not, drive the actual index. ”

Not true. In simplistic form, and by definition, futures are ‘derivaties’ and as thus ‘derive’ their value from the underlying index. Futures markets attempt to *predict* movements in the components of the indices by modeling the impact of data points upon the individual equities/components.

As thus, you can’t simply drive an index by purchasing futures/options as the moneyflow in index futures is going to be very small, in addition if the components of the index have contra information that would also create an arbitrage opportunity. In addition, there are not only a buyer and a seller on the future, but there is a buyer/seller on the underlying, as well as there are buyers and sellers on options of the underlying – ALL of which theoretically have the capital to solidify/fortify their position within the index or their component of the index so as to continue the search for a ‘correct’ valuation.

Your other comment RE: Options Expiration: “The equity indices are manipulated by high frequency trading firms to make their options worth more on expiration date ”

If it were such easy money to bet against manipulation that isn’t based on perceived fundamentals, wouldn’t there be a veritable dearth of hedge funds/institutional investors that would LOVE to spring that trap? Again, why do y’all think there is honor among perceived thieves?

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]]> By: Libertarian777http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-08-19/ron-paul-the-free-market-is-a-natural-and-wise-regulator/comment-page-1/#comment-80354 Libertarian777 Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:55:13 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3628#comment-80354 Matt, while I agree with you that Mike's comments are basically nonsensical, one of your responses to him are incorrect too:Two: Equity markets are COMPLETELY separate of derivative markets (e.g. by definition you CANNOT ’sell a derivative into an equity market’)Equity markets are not 'completely' separate of derivative markets. The futures markets for equity indices more often than not, drive the actual index. Why? because there's an arbitrage opportunity if they were completely separate. The arbitrageurs make profits on the difference, and as more of them enter into contracts to capture that profit the difference between the futures and the index narrows.Another pattern to look out for is the options expiration (triple or sometimes quad witching) expirations weeks. The equity indices are manipulated by high frequency trading firms to make their options worth more on expiration date (e.g. sell all 30 dow component stocks to drive prices down to make your put option worth more on expiration). They normally can only make such effects on lower volume days though. Matt, while I agree with you that Mike’s comments are basically nonsensical, one of your responses to him are incorrect too:

Two: Equity markets are COMPLETELY separate of derivative markets (e.g. by definition you CANNOT ’sell a derivative into an equity market’)

Equity markets are not ‘completely’ separate of derivative markets. The futures markets for equity indices more often than not, drive the actual index. Why? because there’s an arbitrage opportunity if they were completely separate. The arbitrageurs make profits on the difference, and as more of them enter into contracts to capture that profit the difference between the futures and the index narrows.

Another pattern to look out for is the options expiration (triple or sometimes quad witching) expirations weeks. The equity indices are manipulated by high frequency trading firms to make their options worth more on expiration date (e.g. sell all 30 dow component stocks to drive prices down to make your put option worth more on expiration). They normally can only make such effects on lower volume days though.

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]]> By: longshotlouiehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-08-19/ron-paul-the-free-market-is-a-natural-and-wise-regulator/comment-page-1/#comment-80335 longshotlouie Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:31:27 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3628#comment-80335 Maybe you should slow down on that stuff, Fled. Maybe you should slow down on that stuff, Fled.

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]]> By: longshotlouiehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-08-19/ron-paul-the-free-market-is-a-natural-and-wise-regulator/comment-page-1/#comment-80334 longshotlouie Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:29:31 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3628#comment-80334 PotKetttleBlack Pot

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]]> By: longshotlouiehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-08-19/ron-paul-the-free-market-is-a-natural-and-wise-regulator/comment-page-1/#comment-80333 longshotlouie Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:28:20 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3628#comment-80333 Thx for the two interesting paragraphs. Now your mission is to make some connection between the two so that we know what the hell you are talking about. Thx for the two interesting paragraphs. Now your mission is to make some connection between the two so that we know what the hell you are talking about.

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]]> By: Fred the Protectionisthttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-08-19/ron-paul-the-free-market-is-a-natural-and-wise-regulator/comment-page-1/#comment-80306 Fred the Protectionist Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:10:25 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3628#comment-80306 "What in the hell happened? "The Free Traders got what they wanted, they wanted to remove and replace the Tariff with an income tax. The only problem is; while Tariffs are limited, taxes on income are unlimited.Good job free traders, well done.Taxes on income "from whatever source derived....without regard to any census or enumeration" “What in the hell happened? ”

The Free Traders got what they wanted, they wanted to remove and replace the Tariff with an income tax. The only problem is; while Tariffs are limited, taxes on income are unlimited.

Good job free traders, well done.

Taxes on income “from whatever source derived….without regard to any census or enumeration”

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]]> By: Fred the Protectionisthttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-08-19/ron-paul-the-free-market-is-a-natural-and-wise-regulator/comment-page-1/#comment-80305 Fred the Protectionist Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:04:35 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3628#comment-80305 I think some people have had waaaay too much estrogen tonight. *makes drinking motion*. I think some people have had waaaay too much estrogen tonight. *makes drinking motion*.

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]]> By: Fred the Protectionisthttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-08-19/ron-paul-the-free-market-is-a-natural-and-wise-regulator/comment-page-1/#comment-80304 Fred the Protectionist Wed, 31 Mar 2010 08:02:54 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3628#comment-80304 I've seen Commies, Greens, Fascists, Republicans, Libertarians, and Anarchists quote from the bible. Where are you going with this? Question mark question mark? You could go anywhere. I’ve seen Commies, Greens, Fascists, Republicans, Libertarians, and Anarchists quote from the bible. Where are you going with this? Question mark question mark? You could go anywhere.

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