The People Don’t Believe the Government’s Healthcare Promises




Show: Anderson Cooper 360°
Host: Anderson Cooper
Date: August 20, 2009

Transcript

Anderson Cooper: We talked about the president’s moves with former Republican presidential candidate and congressman, Ron Paul, earlier today.

Congressman Paul, thanks for being with us. I want to play you something that President Obama said today on Michael Smerconish’s Radio Show. Listen.

Barack Obama: I would love to have more Republicans engaged and involved in this process. I think early on a decision was made by the Republican leadership that said, “Look, let’s not give them a victory. Maybe we can have a replay of 1993/94 when Clinton came in. He failed on healthcare and then we won in the mid-term elections and we got the majority.”

Anderson Cooper: Is that what’s happening? Are Republican leaders obstructing healthcare reform in order to make political gains?

Ron Paul: I think he’s giving the Republicans too much credit. I don’t think we’re that well organized. I think if orders came from top down and said we’re all going to oppose, I don’t think it would happen. But there is partisan squabbling going on, but it’s on both sides, so I can’t see where one side is more partisan than the other. You know, if people don’t agree with one side, they say, “Oh, you’re overly strong partisan” and vice versa. So I don’t put a lot of stock in those type of arguments.

Anderson Cooper: What do you think is going to happen if the White House and Congressional Democrats try to go over it alone and try to just ram through some sort of a bill?

Ron Paul: Oh, I think they’ll pass something, but […] I think they’ll modify their tone a little bit. They won’t try to go for the whole basket. They probably won’t want to have a single payer and they’re going to get something and that’s the way we’ve been doing it for 35-40 years. We’ve had incrementalism. This really started as early as the fifties, but really in the seventies. But once you get the conservatives in, we’re not supposed to believe in expanding government role, but where was the prescription drug program passed? Under the Republicans.

So something will be passed, but I don’t think Obama is going to get everything. There’s too much anger and they’re angry and they’re convinced that the government can’t produce all these promises. They just don’t believe the promises, so that’s why I think they’re going to back off, take what they can get and a few Republicans will join and that would be my prediction. But I really don’t know for sure.

Anderson Cooper: So what do you want? You’re obviously not for government involvement in healthcare, but is it realistic to expect private industry to take care of the 46 million or so Americans who don’t have insurance?

Ron Paul: Well, under today’s circumstances with our tax code, it makes it very difficult and you have to remember that out of that 46 million who don’t have insurance, they include a lot of illegal aliens in there too, so that complicates the matter and some of them aren’t necessarily in need of it. I even have some people in my family, they don’t have it.

But people have accepted the notion that medical care cannot be delivered any other way than through government and I just don’t happen to believe that because governments generally aren’t very efficient in what they do.

Anderson Cooper: And finally, has the dialogue, the debate, at least some of what we’re seeing at these town hall meetings, people comparing President Obama to a Nazi, is that the productive? I mean, when you see these images and you hear the people yelling, what do you think?

Ron Paul: Well, I think it’s very unproductive. I think it’s very destructive and you know me well enough that I was never supportive of much of what George Bush did and I really didn’t like his foreign policy, but generally speaking, whenever I wrote, if you look at all my speeches, I hardly ever, but probably never bring up partisan politics when I’m on the House floor or talk about President Bush, President Bush this or Obama this or Obama that.

So no, I don’t think it’s productive at all. I believe you have deal with ideas. Ideas have consequences. Bad ideas have bad consequences. Good ideas have good consequences and that’s what I deal with because I just as soon avoid the partisan bickering.

Anderson Cooper: Congressman Paul, I appreciate your time, sir. Thank you.

Ron Paul: Thank you.



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  1. I would venture to say that here in the Quad Cities the number is probablyOne.

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  2. EMERGENCY UPDATE: Leaked French Government Document reveals details of WHO forced mass murder vaccination programme starting September 28th: MORE SOON

    check back for the news updates at
    www.theflucase.com

    This is very good news!!!! Gotcha News! and I hope we are going to from here forward watch the unraveling of this plot to depopulate and commit mass murder worldwide.

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  3. Forced vaccinations, quarantine camps, health care interrogations and mandatory “decontaminations”

    http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=434%3Aforced-swine-flu-vaccinations-at-gunpoint-for-all-people-in-the-usa-only-one-penstroke-away-reports-mike-adams&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=en

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  4. That damned Rockefeller family…source of a lot of ills in the world. Our internet is now at risk of being shut down by a MANUFACTURED cybersecurity issue. THEY HATE THE INTERNET. I heard Jay Rockefeller say at a congressional hearing that it would be so much simpler if the internet didn’t exist. Well…

    Senator Jay Rockefeller, head of the Senate Committee on Finance that steered through Senate Bill S. 666 — the Biological, Chemical, and Radiological Weapons Countermeasures Research Act introduced by Sen. Joseph Lieberman — that provided government money to pharmaceutical companies such as Baxter to increase research to develop biological, chemical, and radiological weapons, is now pushing through a bill for the White House to be given the power to switch off the internet in a “cyberrsecurity” emergency, according to a report by Declan McCullagh on CNET.

    http://www.infowars.com/bill-would-give-president-emergency-control-of-internet/

    “CNET News has obtained a summary of a proposal from Senators Jay Rockefeller (D-W.V.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) that would create an Office of the National Cybersecurity Advisor, part of the Executive Office of the President. That office would receive the power to disconnect, if it believes they’re at risk of a cyberattack, “critical” computer networks from the Internet. “

    You better hollar at your representatives on this one.
    "They" are creating a dictator.

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  5. Remember, NO Obamacare...because he don't care!
    If he can go around the globe selling every country on the H1N1 contaminated virus (typical salesman, bad product pusher, only interested in money and personal agenda), then he is not intersted in a good health care plan for any of us!!! No matter how smooth he talks, or how many groopies he hugs in his townhalls, or how big his smile is. Get it.

    THIS CONTAMINATED VACCINE ALONE KILLS THE HEALTH CARE BILL
    This government cannot possibly come up with a trusted plan.

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  6. CDC States H1N1 Vaccine May Maim and Kill 30,000 Americans, FDA Requires Minimal Efficacy

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14950

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  7. Ben Franklin hit the nail on the head with:

    "Our new Constitution is now established, and has an appearance that promises permanency; but in the world nothing can be said to be certain except death and taxes."

    and along came,

    HR 3200

    Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Government will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

    Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC Bill - YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!

    Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC Bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get

    Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!

    Pg 50 Section 152 in HC Bill - HC will be provided to ALL non-U.S. citizens, illegal or otherwise

    Pg 58 HC Bill – Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances and a National ID Health Care Card will be issued!

    Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your banks accounts for electronic funds transfer.

    (NOTE FROM RJ-This really does mean they can take your money at any time. Who will have this authority?—a government bureaucrat.)

    Pg 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions and community organizations (ACORN).

    Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government is creating a Health Care Exchange to bring private health care plans under government control.

    Pg 84 Sec 203 HC Bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private health care plans in the Exchange

    Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The government will ration your health care!

    Pg 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Government mandates linguistic appropriate services.

    Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The government will use groups i.e., ACORN & AmeriCorps to sign up individuals for government Health Care Plan

    Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - Your health care WILL be rationed

    Pg 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individual will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

    Pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue the government on price fixing. No “judicial review” against government monopoly.

    Pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The government will tell YOU what you can make.

    Pg 145 Line 15-17 An employer MUST auto enroll employees into public opt plan. NO CHOICE

    Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for health care for part-time employees AND their families.

    Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w/ payroll 400k and above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

    Pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between 251k and 400k who do not provide public opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

    Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable health care according to government will be taxed 2.5% of income.

    Pg 170 Lines 1-3 Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay).

    Pg 195 Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans' financial and personal records.

    Pg 203 Line 14-15 HC - “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that.

    Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.

    Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, it does not matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same.

    Pg 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of doctors' time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

    Pg 265 Sec 1131Government mandates and controls productivity for private health care industries.

    Pg 268 Sec 1141 Federal Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.

    Pg 272 SEC. 1145. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals – Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

    (RJ-NOTE: Much cancer treatment will not work unless implemented early, but the waiting time just to see a specialist will likely be months when this plan is implemented. As you can see in this bill, the option of the health care bureaucrat is to deny treatment to those they deem not likely to be helped by it. Watch the cancer death rate skyrocket.)

    Page 280 Sec 1151 The government will penalize hospitals for what government deems preventable readmissions. (Incentives for hospital to not treat and release.)

    Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors that treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission-Government will penalize you.

    Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own.

    Pg 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Government is mandating hospitals cannot expand.

    pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception, BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!

    Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Government mandates establishment of outcome based measures. Health Care the way they want. Rationing.

    Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans (Part B), HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Government plan.

    Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people!

    Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy – Tele-health Advisory Committee. Health care by phone/Internet?

    Pg 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance [Death] Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life.

    Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

    Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death.

    Pg 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The government has a say in how your life ends.

    Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “adv. care planning consult” will be used frequently as patient's health deteriorates.

    Pg 429 Lines 10-12 “adv. care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from Government.

    Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The government will specify which doctors can write an end of life order.

    PG 430 Lines 11-15 The government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

    (NOTE FROM RJ: The above really does give the government the authority to determine who lives and dies, and when. A government bureaucrat really will be making this decision for you and your loved ones.)

    Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non-profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

    Pg 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

    Pg 489 Sec 1308 The government will cover Marriage and Family therapy. They will insert government into your marriage.

    Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.

    PG 502 Sec 1181 Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research Established. – Hello Big Brother – Literally.

    Pg 503 Lines 13-19 Government will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic medical records.

    Pg 503 lines 21-25 Government may secure data directly from any department or agency of the U.S., including your data.

    Pg 504 Lines 6-10 The “Center” will collect data both published and unpublished (that means public and your private info).

    PG 506 Lines 19-21 The Center will recommend policies that would allow for public access of data.

    PG 518 Lines 21-25 The Commission will have input from Health Care consumer reps – Can you say unions and ACORN?

    PG 524 18-22 Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund set up. More taxes for ALL.

    PG 621 Lines 20-25 Government will define what quality means in health care. Since when does government know about quality?

    Pg 622 Lines 2-9 To pay for the Quality Standards, government will transfer money from other government Trust Funds. More Taxes.

    PG 624 “Quality” measures shall be designed to assess outcomes and functional status of patients.

    PG 624 “Quality” measures shall be designed to profile you including race, age, gender, place of residence, etc.

    Pg 628 Sec 1443 Government will give “Multi-Stake Holders” Pre-Rule Making input into Selection of “Quality” Measures.

    Pg 630 9-24/631 1-9 Those multi-stake holder groups include unions and groups like ACORN deciding health care quality.

    Pg 632 Lines 14-25 The Government may implement any “Quality measure” of health care services as they see fit.

    PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 The Secretary may issue non-endorsed “Quality Measures” for Physician Services and Dialysis Services.

    Pg 635 to 653 Physicians Payments Sunshine Provision – Government wants to shine sunlight on doctor but not government.

    Pg 654-659 Public Reporting on Health Care-Associated Infections – Looks okay.

    PG 660-671 Doctors in Residency – Government will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live.

    Pg 676-686 Government will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, including teaching hospitals.

    Pg 686-700 Increased Funding to Fight Waste, Fraud, and Abuse. You mean like the government with an $18 million website?

    (NOTE FROM RJ—Can you actually imagine empowering the government to fight waste, fraud, and abuse????)

    PGs 701-704 Sec 1619 If your part of health care plan isn’t in Government Health Care Exchange but you qualify for Federal aid, no payment.

    PG 705-709 SEC. 1128 If Secretary gets complaints (ACORN) on health care provider or supplier, government can do background check.

    PG 711 Lines 8-14 The Secretary has broad powers to deny health care providers/ suppliers admittance into Health Care Exchange. Your doctor could be thrown out of business.

    Pg 719-720 Sec 1637 ANY Doctor who orders durable medical equipment or home medical services MUST be enrolled in Medicare.

    PG 722 Sec 1639 Government MANDATES doctors must have face-to-face with patient to certify patient for Home Health Services.

    PG 724 23-25 PG 725 1-5 The same government certifications will apply to Medicaid and CHIP (your kids).

    PG 724 Lines 16-22 Government reserves right to apply face-to-face certification for patient to ANY other health care service.

    Pg 735 lines 16-25 For law enforcement, proposes the Secretary-HHS will give Attorney General access to ALL data.

    PG 740-757 Government sets guidelines for subsidizing the uninsured (That's your tax dollars people).

    Pg 757-762 Federal Government will shift burden of payments to Disproportionate Share Hospitals (DSH) to States. (Taxes)

    Pg 763 1-8 No DS/EA hospitals will be paid unless they provide services without regard to national origin.

    Pg 765 Sec 1711 Government will require Preventative Services including vaccines. (Choice?)

    Pg 768 Sec 1713 Government – Nurse Home Visitation Services (Hello union paybacks).

    Pg 769 11-14 Nurse Home Visit Services include economic self-sufficiency, employ adv, school-readiness.

    Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Services - “increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.” Government ABORTIONS anyone?

    Pg 770 SEC 1714 Federal Government mandates eligibility for State Family Planning Services. Abortion and State Sovereign.

    (NOTE FROM RJ—Can you believe that in America you will be told how many children you can have, and when? Does this mean we can expect the government to impose mandatory abortions? How else can this be interpreted?)

    Pg 789-797 Government will set, mandate drug prices, controlling which drugs brought to market. Bye innovation.

    Pgs 797-800 SEC. 1744 PAYMENTS for graduate medical education. The government will now control doctors’ educations.

    PG 801 Sec 1751 The government will decide which health care conditions will be paid. Say RATION!

    Pg 810 SEC. 1759. Billing Agents, clearinghouses, etc. req. to register. Government takes over private payment system.

    Pg 820-824 Sec 1801 Government will identify individuals ineligible for subsidies. Will access all personal financial information.

    Pg 824-829 SEC. 1802. Government sets up Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund. Another tax black hole.

    PG 829-833 Government will impose a fee on ALL private health insurance plans including self-insured to pay for Trust Fund!

    PG 835 11-13 fees imposed by government for Trust Fund shall be treated as if they were taxes.

    Pg 838-840 Government will design and implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids and families expecting kids.

    PG 844-845 This Home Visitation Program includes government coming into your house and telling you how to parent!!!

    (NOTE FROM RJ—If you think this sounds like “Big Brother” actually coming into our homes, we really need to think about what comes after Big Brother. The scenario being set up by the government to control people through this, with the technology now available, is beyond what the science fiction horror works about this could conceive of.)

    Pg 859 Government will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000. Yes that’s billion.

    Pg 865 The government will MANDATE the establishment of a National Health Service Corps.

    PG 865 to 876 The NHS Corps is a program where doctors perform mandatory health care for two years for part loan repayment.

    PG 876-892 The government takes over the education of our medical students and doctors.

    PG 898 The government will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps to ensure supply of public health prof.

    PG 898 The Public Health Workforce Corps shall consist of civilian employees of the U.S. as Secretary deems.

    PG 898 The Public Health Workforce Corps shall consist of officers of Regular and Reserve Corps of Service.

    PG 900 The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians.

    PG 901 The Public Health Workforce Corps WILL include commissioned Regular and Reserve Officers. HC Draft?

    PG 910 The government will develop, build, and run Public Health Training Centers.

    PG 913-914 Government starts a health care affirmative action program thru guise of diversity scholarships.

    PG 915 SEC. 2251. Government MANDDATES Cultural and linguistic competency training for health care professionals.

    Pg 932 The Government will establish Preventative and Wellness Trust fund- initial cost of $30,800,000,000 billion.

    PG 935 21-22 Government will identify specific goals & objectives for prevention & wellness activities. Control YOU!!

    PG 936 Government will develop “Healthy People and National Public Health Performance Standards” Tell me what to eat?

    (NOTE FROM RJ—This is no joke—the government will be able to actually mandate what you can eat or not eat. This could be helpful for some, but do we want the government doing it? What is the most fat and out of shape entity on the planet? The Federal Government. What kind of shape do you think the bureaucrats will be in who mandate such for everyone else?)

    PG 942 Lines 22-25 More government? Offices of Surgeon General -Public Health Svc, Minority Health, Women’s Health

    PG 950- 980 BIG GOVERNMENT core pub health infrastructure including workforce capacity, lab systems, health info sys, etc.

    PG 993 Government will establish school based health clinics. Your kids won’t have a chance.

    PG 994 School Based Health Clinic will be integrated into the school environment. Say government brainwash!

    PG 1001 The government will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will you be tracked?

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    Liberty Counsel Liberty University School of Law
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  8. Woohoo! Yet another rhetorical fallacy. We can add it to Sean's stack of nonsense. Out of the way ad hom, straw man, argument from authority, and others! You need to make room for the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

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    • What is false?

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      • What's oil got to do with the dollar and gold?
        http://www.dnaindia.com/money/comment_what-s-oil-got-to-do-with-the-dollar-and-gold_1276421

        A Crude Case For War?
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/14/AR2008031403677.html

        Quantitative easing: printing money like mad to ward off deflation
        http://www.creditwritedowns.com/2008/11/quantitative-easing-printig-money-like-mad-to-ward-off-deflation.html

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  9. If you ignore what resources we use and consume than you wont understand anything I say. We are a slave to oil. It is the reason we got off the gold standard, it is the reason for the war, it is the reason for deficit spending. These are all things that true libertarians worry about. If we ignore these facts than we are hopeless.

    “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.” – Thomas Jefferson

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    • You said: "I don’t get it. Obama is telling the people to hold congress and the president more accountable. That is a good thing."

      Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words... Sean.

      We have a saying here in the south;

      The proof is in the pudding.

      There is no transparency unless it's a tidbit thrown out to make it look like they are being transparent.

      They are not addressing the people's concerns. Instead of going after the crooks that put us in this situation, they are going after the CIA for one.

      It's ridiculous. Those who are protecting the American people are being persecuted and those who kill American people are being set free, given Miranda rights and the whole nation is being ripped apart by a dictator and his czars.

      That's only a small part of how destructive this white house is.

      Yes, there are democrat and republican presidents who have been dishonest and betrayed us.

      But this guy, nerobama, takes the cake!

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  10. Please don't chase away our troll soccer ball.

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    • I see Sean is still keeping busy deluding himself and making absolutely no sense.

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      • Perfect example again of somebody butting in and make things worse. You can thank these people for egging me on. Obviously you people don't want me to leave.

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        • Whaaaaaaaaaaa ...............

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        • Please stay. You're a hoot.

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          • I should be getting paid for this. It's no walk in the park. I admit, it's hard to argue against things I believe in. But it's also hard to believe in things when it is so complex.

            You people are way behind. I've been a strong supporter for liberty ever sense I was young and ross perot was around. Maybe because I read and focus in further detail, that I have a better understanding of why things are the way they are.

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          • lmao

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        • Spend some time with this website. Be sure to listen carefully to Obama's words. He's like a pyromaniac who sets fires to homes and waits to see it televised to get an even bigger thrill, with inside laughter, a feeling of power and control over others that leads to their demise. Maybe you relate really well with him.

          www.livingquests.com

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          • I don't get it. Obama is telling the people to hold congress and the president more accountable. That is a good thing.

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          • I said spend some time reviewing the site. It's all right in front of you. www.livingquests.com

            A MUST READ Evidence of a man-made pandemic pdf file too.
            http://wakenews.net/Evidence_of_the_use_of_pandemic_flu_to_depopulate_USA.pdf

            Some history with the current events will help free you from being so brainwashed. You might start working towards saving your own life and the lives of others. A much better use of your energy.

            The decision about government-run-controlled health care with corp insurance companies and big pharma will become clear to you, hopefully.

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          • If the elite created the bird flu or swine flu or whatever to mass exterminate the population, than they didn't do a very good job making it.

            It hasn't even killed .1% of the amount of people who die from the yearly flu. It isn't dangerous.

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          • The Evidence document is lengthy (134 pages). You obviously did not read it before you spoke.

            Read it and then speak to this issue and the issue of government-controlled health care intelligently.

            The trial vaccines have been given out already, 5 cities in America. I live near Seattle, that is one of the trial vaccine cities they chose. 2-shot regime, they will come back for the 2nd shot during the school year, then a dangerous flu will spread. The vaccines are contaminated, worldwide. When the pandemic turns into chaos, panic, you will remember me.

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          • You should read this, I just got done reading the book..

            http://www.huxley.net/bnw-revisited/index.html

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  11. Sean, leave this forum.

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    • Why? because you are too one sided and too close minded to see the world around u. Go ahead and wine, bitch and complain. You aren't helping any.

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      • Its funny, whenever I show up and start talking. I'm nice and I explain the arguments that the MAJORITY of the people in our country are concerned with.. Just because I am open and share different opinions, I get attacked from the rudest people alive.. You people don't deserve utopia.

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      • No, Sean, you misunderstand the reason we would like you to leave. You cannot see yourself.

        You are not productive or constructive.
        You are not providing us with useful information.
        You're not even creative in your thoughts.
        We have serious concerns and your input is not helpful.
        You, sir, are a waste of energy in this forum.

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        • Oooooor, you can just ignore what I say.. That is what any normal person would do. I think you are offended because I sometimes take the side of the government. You have this deep seeded hatred for it, which is understandable. You can't speak for everyone else though. There are many people on this site who share my point of views.

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          • If people are going to argue with my point of views than I will defend them.. Maybe if you and other people would stop commenting on the things i say than these forums wouldn't get so clouded up with nonsense.

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          • Like I said, Sean...

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          • Then just stop talking to me, and advice other people as well. I'm not going to stop dropping in from time to time to leave my voice of opinion. It wouldn't become a nuisance if ya'll wouldn't make it one.

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          • See yourself. You take up way too much space. Unproductive talk.

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          • you are just egging it on, comment after comment. Just stop talking to me and I will stop. I have already told you that and you continue to talk to me. I'm confused, do you want to talk to me or will you stop egging it on?

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          • If you stop replying he will wait an hour or so to comment again so he can be the last say on the thread.

            Absolutely zero substance to this kid.

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          • See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. VR contributes a great deal of arguments.

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          • muchas gracias

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  12. Where's the Change?

    More spending, more borrowing, more inflating, more taxes, more war, more boot prints on the Constitution, .........................

    Chains We Can Believe In

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  13. Let's just start with top marginal tax rate for married couples:

    1913 - 7%

    2008 - 38%

    With a roller coaster in between.

    Obama would raise the top individual tax rate back to 39.6 percent, impose an additional 2 to 4 percent tax on earnings for some over the existing Social Security wage cap, and bring back the phase-out of the personal exemption and certain itemized deductions for higher-income taxpayers. When added up, the top effective marginal tax rate rises...from 37.9 percent to roughly 48 to 50 percent. "High" is in the eye of the beholder, but these are tax rates not seen since before the Tax Reform Act of 1986.

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    • http://symonsez.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/top_marginal_income_tax_rate_1913-2003.jpg

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      • You can't make tax cuts without cutting spending like bush. Obama is going to cut a huge amount of spending to pay for this bill.. If bush would have cut spending to pay for the war instead of cutting taxes, we wouldn't have this deficit problem. This bill will not add to the deficit.

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  14. Are we, tax payers who are currently employed, only now, third quarter, appreciating the income, after taxes, for a year of working and having taxes deducted from our pay checks?

    Correct me if I am wrong, someone

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    • I'm against a lot of taxes, it depends on where you live. Taxes are low where I live. We don't have state taxes.. We pay half as much as anyone else.

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  15. " .... and the weebles wobble, but they don't fall down."

    Smack'm full in the face with the facts ..... wobble wobble, and they're right back with the same clueless grin.

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  16. What money?!

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    • haha, ya i was thinking the same thing.

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      • ya, nice avoidance.

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        • Thats a stupid question.

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          • First you were 'thinking the same thing', now it's a stupid question?

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          • Thats exactly why it is a stupid question. Its so vague, I don't know how to answer it.

            What money are you talking about? Which part of the economy does the money go to? The question was totally off subject. I have different opinions on "stimulating the economy" than the current administration.

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          • The question is exacting, but it's the critical thinking that is your Achille's heel.

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          • No the question is not specific. We could waste money on the war. I don't feel like that stimulates the economy... We could fund money for power grids, and schools, and renewable resources. That would stimulate the economy.

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          • English comprehension, again.

            'exacting'
            Function: adjective
            1 : tryingly or unremittingly severe in making demands
            2 : requiring careful attention and precision

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          • No, the question is not exacting. It requires careful attention and PRECISION.

            Precision- Of or characterized by accurate action.

            You did not characterize your question very accurately. Your question was broad and could have many answers.

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          • That is so weak, Sean

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  17. Can we stimulate the economy by getting paid with our own money?

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  18. The U.S. jobs sector hit hardest by the recession, construction, may not reach bottom until sometime next year.

    With one in five U.S. construction workers out of a job, prospects for the sector remain dim amid ongoing cuts in construction spending, a decline in nonresidential projects, and concerns that government stimulus will take months to have any measurable effect, industry experts say.

    "The construction industry is in a near depression," said General President Terry O'Sullivan of the Laborers' International Union of North America, which notes that the construction unemployment rate, at 21.4 percent, is the highest of any sector.

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  19. roads. depends on where you live and who you voted for

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    • exactly... government(depends on who you vote for) that is the beauty of a democracy.

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      • This is not a democracy, and we do not need the federal government to achieve these things. States are perfectly capable.

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        • Obviously the states aren't capable or it would have been done. The states wont even consider tort reform which is much needed and is only worked on a state level.

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          • ??????????????

            The states delegated their authority, against the law of the land. The feds are the hindrance to tort reform. Another good reason to never put a lawyer into public office.

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          • hahahaha! again dumbass, tort reform is done at the state level.

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          • More dishonesty, or more ignorance?

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          • Ignorance is bliss.

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          • At least you are happy.

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          • You obviously don't understand the justice system.

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          • Ya, it must be me.

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          • Show me one federal tort reform law that has passed.

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          • English is tough, even for a teacher's kid.

            All things that should be done a state level are either hindered or controlled by the feds.

            What is up with the irrelevant replies and questions?

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          • lol! so you can't show me one federal tort reform.

            "nice avoidance."

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          • It's that English language that's still causing you problems.

            Not once did I state anything about a federal tort reform.
            The evidence of this is above. Just because a thought gets stuck in your one-dimensional brain does not give it a basis in reality. Hard to believe, I know.

            Central planning is not a solution and the tip of your nose is not the center of the universe.

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          • You said all things at a state level are hindered or controlled by the fed. I thought you were saying that tort reform was controlled by the fed. Maybe you should be more specific.

            Besides, the fed doesn't prevent the states from tort reform. Some states do have it.

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          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yiYbCJitvQ
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            Two hours ago:
            [sean replies:
            August 28th, 2009 at 9:57 am
            Ya schooling is a social program.. If you think that the government is using school in a harmful way than I’m just going to stop talking now.]

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            Promises Promises

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  20. Weebles wobble, but they don't fall down.

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