40 responses to “Ron Paul’s Update on Education and Healthcare”

  1. VR

    Dr Marc Girard, a specialist in the side effects of drugs and a medical expert commissioned by French courts, has said said on French TV that the “swine flu” vaccine could cause 60,000 deaths in France, especially among young people, children and pregnant women.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXAK_6iZbH0&feature=player_embedded

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  2. Daria

    Oh no, illegals might be able to use hospitals too if we provide healthcare... GASP!! Those horrible illegals. They shouldn't be allowed health!! In fact, rather than allow them healthcare, lets deny it to all legal immigrants and citizens too... just to make sure illegals don't accidentaly get some.

    That's what a side of the debate sounds like to me. And it feels ENRAGING!!

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    1. Herewe Goagain

      The debate was about whether it was true, or not.

      Focus.

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      1. Mike

        No, I agree that Wilson was correct. There was no debate there.

        Focus.

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        1. Herewe Goagain

          You forgot to change your name back to Daria, Sean.

          Focus

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          1. sean

            You're stupid, Longshotlouie. I bet that's who you are. I have nothing to hide. I'll say anything I want straight up. That should be obvious by now.

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          2. Herewe Goagain

            .... and the spontaneous combustion begins.

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  3. Herewe Goagain

    According to the CRS, noncitizens who can be considered "resident aliens" under U.S. tax law would have to buy insurance (just like the rest of us) — and unlike immigration laws, the tax code doesn't distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants.

    Sounds like Wilson was right. They will be part of 3200.

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    1. Sean

      The rest of us don't have to buy insurance, we can receive SUBSIDIES if we are eligible. Wilson was right, illegal immigrants will be required to PURCHASE insurance, but illegal immigrants would not receive any SUBSIDIES like the rest of us would.

      If illegal immigrants could not purchase insurance, than we would still be stuck with 10 million illegals showing up at emergency rooms, refusing to pay, and driving up the costs for all of us.

      I think he said that pretty clearly. It's funny that longshot assumed someone was me because they told the truth.

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      1. Herewe Goagain

        Hmmmm... so the illegals will be practicing free market principles while citizens will be forced into state coverage?

        I don't think anyone had a doubt that it was you, sean.

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        1. sean

          You must be illiterate. Illegals WILL BE FORCED TO PURCHASE INSURANCE. American citizens WILL NOT BE FORCED TO BUY insurance if the government SUBSIDIZES them.

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          1. Herewe Goagain

            Yeah, it must be me .... how will the government subsidize the program?

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          2. sean

            The government will pay for AMERICAN'S insurance if they are not able to afford it.

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          3. Herewe Goagain

            How will they pay for it?

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          4. sean

            Through tax payer dollars. I don't think that's right but that's not the point i'm trying to make. My point is that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WILL NOT RECEIVE TAX PAYERS MONEY. That is the truth, i'm sorry you can't understand that.

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          5. Herewe Goagain

            Illegals will be exempt from HR3200?

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          6. sean

            No they will not be exempt from HR3200, nobody said that.

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          7. Herewe Goagain

            No matter their income level they will be required to pay for all of their medical insurance?

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          8. sean

            yes.

            SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.
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            Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

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  4. longshotlouie

    Anyone want to guess what name Sean uses now?

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    1. Mike

      Why do you suppose that? Does Sean always correct your mistakes?

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    2. longshotlouie

      Was that your guess?

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      1. Mike

        Don't be upset because I corrected you after YOU started to argue with what I said. You jumped into this with no knowledge of the subject. Do you always accuse people of things when you have no idea what your talking about? Next thing we know, your going to accuse Obama as being Sean because he disagrees with what you say.

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        1. longshotlouie

          You were already corrected below.
          You seem to be under the impression that you made sense.

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          1. Mike

            You didn't correct me, show me the report. I showed you at least 5 news articles backing up what I said word for word on behalf of the CRS report. I even quoted the CRS report, shall I again?

            CRS report: “[U]nauthorized aliens would be barred from receiving” subsidy under House bill

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          2. longshotlouie

            Read below.

            Don't change the point.

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          3. Mike

            You are wrong. Illegal aliens will not be subsidized by the government (tax payers)... Their treatment will be payed from a pool of money from people who BUY INTO THE SYSTEM.

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        2. longshotlouie

          And I will be content to depart.

          Thank You

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  5. Mike

    Fox figures ignore health bill’s ban on subsidies for illegal immigrants

    "After Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) accused President Obama of lying for stating that health care reform "would not apply to those who are here illegally," media have cited a Congressional Research Service (CRS) report, highlighted by House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH), which found that under the House bill, illegal immigrants would not be prohibited from purchasing insurance through the health insurance exchange established by the bill. However, Fox News' Sean Hannity and Greta Van Susteren and Fox Business Network's Peter Barnes ignored that the bill would require illegal immigrants to purchase insurance with their own money, just as they currently are able to do for private insurance, and that the CRS report they are citing specifically notes that the bill prohibits illegal immigrants from receiving federal subsidies to assist low-income families purchasing insurance."

    CRS report: "[U]nauthorized aliens would be barred from receiving" subsidy under House bill

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  6. Mike

    Illegals can buy into the system but they wont get any subsides. You have to let illegals buy into the system, they are a driving force of the health care costs. The 3 states that have the lowest percentage of people insured are Texas, Florida, and New Mexico. Because 10 million illegals are going to the emergency rooms, its effecting you, me and everyone else.

    Latino's get free health care in Mexico. They would have to pay for it here, so they wont move here just to pay money for what was free there.

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    1. Mike

      Mexico has lower mortality rates than here and in Canada. Their hospitals are safer than ours. Mexico has 50% less death from diseases per person. Mexico's health care is "excellent." Health insurance companies here send people to mexico for treatment because its cheaper and better. An overnight stay at a hospital in Mexico is about $25. It can be up to $1500 here.

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    2. longshotlouie

      The Congressional Research Service disagrees with you on subsidies for illegals.

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      1. Mike

        Show me where the Congressional Research Services says that the new bill will allow illegals to get subsides..

        Section 246, which is included in the part of the bill that sets up the exchange, forbids payments "on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

        Obama did lie when he said that illegals wont be apart of the bill, but what I just said is correct. Illegals can BUY into the program but will not receive subsides.

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        1. longshotlouie

          If they are part of the bill, they will be subsidized.
          Why would they buy in, otherwise?

          The CRS literature is public info. I have my own list of research items to attend.

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          1. Mike

            Section 246, which is included in the part of the bill that sets up the exchange, forbids payments “on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”

            http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/27/cnn-truth-squad-will-health-bill-pay-for-illegal-immigrants-an-update/

            You have no clue what you are talking about. Obama is mandating insurance and subsidizing those who cannot afford it. They aren't going to pay for illegal aliens insurance.

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          2. longshotlouie

            I believe that you believe.
            Please do not take the time to do the research.

            CNN Truth Squad?

            rotflmao

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          3. Mike

            I don't have to research, the CRS statements are in that link I posted.

            From the Fact Check Desk: Illegal Immigrants and Health Care Reform
            http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/09/from-the-fact-check-desk-illegal-immigrants-and-health-care-reform.html

            Fox figures ignore health bill's ban on subsidies for illegal immigrants
            http://mediamatters.org/research/200909110013

            Health Care Debate Revives Immigration Battle
            http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/health/policy/06immighealth.html

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          4. longshotlouie

            More maypole dancing?

            Will illegals be under HR 3200?
            I believe that you have already answered yes to this.

            Will care, under HR 3200, be subsidized?
            Of course.

            Wake up.

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          5. Matt

            Remove the blinders Louie:

            http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text?version=ih&nid=t0:ih:965

            SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.

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            Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

            Oh wait, or maybe I am Sean, or Daria, or Mike... Oooohhhh...

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  7. Herewe Goagain

    Rep. Wilson is Right
    Government Will Provide Obamacare to Illegals

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