Ron Paul’s Update on Education and Healthcare




Date: 9/8/2009

Ron Paul: Well, it’s Tuesday morning and we’re getting ready to go back to D.C. Congress has been out for five weeks. It used to be said that the country was safe when legislature was out of session but in this day and age it’s not true anymore. Government’s on auto-pilot. The bureaucracies work, the IRS works, the wars continue so Congress isn’t all that necessary but anyway things could get worse as we go back into Congress. But already we’ve been told, we won’t even be voting on Friday so there’s not gonna be too much of a legislative agenda this week. Obama of course will be speaking to the kids today and speaking to a joint session of Congress tomorrow. I’ve already heard that the vote on the medical care bill might not come until December.

So some good things that happened this summer, these past five weeks especially at the townhall meetings, the American people spoke out and they got their fifteen minutes of fame on TV and it looks like the American people aren’t very happy and I don’t blame them. I like the idea that they’re directing their attention to Washington. So we will soon find out whether or not the Congress and the president had become more cautious. Let’s hope so.

There’s been a lot of talk about whether or not the president should be addressing these kids in the public school today and I’m sure his message will be rather benign and in many ways very positive. But the stronger message is why is he doing it and under what authority does the president enter into every classroom in the nation. To me it’s nothing more than symbolism to show where’s the power, where’s the authority? Where does the control of education come from? And unfortunately, it comes out of Washington. The finances come from Washington, the dictates come from Washington, we have No Child Left Behind, Republicans and Democrats span the Department of Education, now we have a president, the man in charge is going to be talking to these kids to let them know.

But there will be a lot of yelling and screaming about what this all means and if you object to it, you’re going to be painted as some sort of a bad person. But in a free society, and in a constitutional society, if we followed our Constitution, the federal government wouldn’t be involved in public education. And of course we would be much better off for it. The more the federal government’s been involved in education, the worse the education has gotten.

So I don’t think anything very good will come from this and tomorrow night everybody will be anxiously waiting to hear what the president will say about his plans. After all these months of talking, now we might hear from the president what his actual plans are. My guess will be that if anything is passed, and I suspect something will eventually be passed, it won’t be the original intent of what Obama wanted. We’re not going to have socialized medicine. That’s not gonna happen. But we could have more corporatism involved in medicine. Much more corporations, he has not taken on the corporations.

The insurance companies are gonna persist, the management companies are gonna exist, the drug companies are going to exist and worst of all, the bureaucracy will grow, the patients will suffer, costs will go up and we’ve seen a recent program saying, “Well, the culprit is the doctor. The doctor makes too much money and therefore if we could make sure the doctor doesn’t make any money, everything is going to be okay.”

That is narrow-mindedness and this is the whole point. What we need is true competition in medicine where actually the doctor would make less with true competition because he would have to compete for patients. And yet today, it’s a locked system. All medical care is delivered by a monopoly and it’s getting worse because even those individuals who would like to practice preventive medicine and natural cures are prohibited by government regulations and the drug companies want to take over control of all the vitamins and nutritional substances so we’re moving in the direction of less competition rather than more competition.

Nevertheless, I think it will be exciting. Fall this year, there will be a few elections coming up that may tell us which way the country is going. People are even talking that Democrats next year may suffer legislatively and that can’t hurt anything because the more competition the better.

Actually under today’s conditions, a little bit of gridlock wouldn’t be harmful to us. So as I said, this is Tuesday morning, getting ready to back to D.C. We will have some votes this evening on some suspension bills but not much else is going to happen this week other than we’ll be hearing from the president.

But I’m sure the issue of the Fed will continue. I continue to get numerous calls about the Federal Reserve and the Auditing Bill and there’s going to be a lot more excitement in the next month or two on this piece of legislation to audit the Fed and the real significance of the Federal Reserve.

The Federal Reserve of course, said their goal is to give us a sound dollar and stable prices and a healthy economy and they’ve done exactly the opposite. They’ve destroyed the dollar and the economy is a wreck and yet what they want is no transparency. So I would say that anybody with some common sense could look at the Federal Reserve and say that they deserve secrecy and no transparency when they, the Federal Reserve, has been so responsible for our very weak economy and the potential of the total destruction of our dollar.



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40 Comments:

  1. Dr Marc Girard, a specialist in the side effects of drugs and a medical expert commissioned by French courts, has said said on French TV that the “swine flu” vaccine could cause 60,000 deaths in France, especially among young people, children and pregnant women.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXAK_6iZbH0&feature=player_embedded

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  2. Oh no, illegals might be able to use hospitals too if we provide healthcare... GASP!! Those horrible illegals. They shouldn't be allowed health!! In fact, rather than allow them healthcare, lets deny it to all legal immigrants and citizens too... just to make sure illegals don't accidentaly get some.

    That's what a side of the debate sounds like to me. And it feels ENRAGING!!

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  3. According to the CRS, noncitizens who can be considered "resident aliens" under U.S. tax law would have to buy insurance (just like the rest of us) — and unlike immigration laws, the tax code doesn't distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants.

    Sounds like Wilson was right. They will be part of 3200.

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    • The rest of us don't have to buy insurance, we can receive SUBSIDIES if we are eligible. Wilson was right, illegal immigrants will be required to PURCHASE insurance, but illegal immigrants would not receive any SUBSIDIES like the rest of us would.

      If illegal immigrants could not purchase insurance, than we would still be stuck with 10 million illegals showing up at emergency rooms, refusing to pay, and driving up the costs for all of us.

      I think he said that pretty clearly. It's funny that longshot assumed someone was me because they told the truth.

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      • Hmmmm... so the illegals will be practicing free market principles while citizens will be forced into state coverage?

        I don't think anyone had a doubt that it was you, sean.

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        • You must be illiterate. Illegals WILL BE FORCED TO PURCHASE INSURANCE. American citizens WILL NOT BE FORCED TO BUY insurance if the government SUBSIDIZES them.

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          • Yeah, it must be me .... how will the government subsidize the program?

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          • The government will pay for AMERICAN'S insurance if they are not able to afford it.

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          • How will they pay for it?

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          • Through tax payer dollars. I don't think that's right but that's not the point i'm trying to make. My point is that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WILL NOT RECEIVE TAX PAYERS MONEY. That is the truth, i'm sorry you can't understand that.

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          • Illegals will be exempt from HR3200?

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          • No they will not be exempt from HR3200, nobody said that.

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          • No matter their income level they will be required to pay for all of their medical insurance?

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          • yes.

            SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.
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            Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

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  4. Anyone want to guess what name Sean uses now?

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    • Why do you suppose that? Does Sean always correct your mistakes?

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    • Was that your guess?

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      • Don't be upset because I corrected you after YOU started to argue with what I said. You jumped into this with no knowledge of the subject. Do you always accuse people of things when you have no idea what your talking about? Next thing we know, your going to accuse Obama as being Sean because he disagrees with what you say.

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        • You were already corrected below.
          You seem to be under the impression that you made sense.

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          • You didn't correct me, show me the report. I showed you at least 5 news articles backing up what I said word for word on behalf of the CRS report. I even quoted the CRS report, shall I again?

            CRS report: “[U]nauthorized aliens would be barred from receiving” subsidy under House bill

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          • Read below.

            Don't change the point.

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          • You are wrong. Illegal aliens will not be subsidized by the government (tax payers)... Their treatment will be payed from a pool of money from people who BUY INTO THE SYSTEM.

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        • And I will be content to depart.

          Thank You

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  5. Fox figures ignore health bill’s ban on subsidies for illegal immigrants

    "After Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) accused President Obama of lying for stating that health care reform "would not apply to those who are here illegally," media have cited a Congressional Research Service (CRS) report, highlighted by House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH), which found that under the House bill, illegal immigrants would not be prohibited from purchasing insurance through the health insurance exchange established by the bill. However, Fox News' Sean Hannity and Greta Van Susteren and Fox Business Network's Peter Barnes ignored that the bill would require illegal immigrants to purchase insurance with their own money, just as they currently are able to do for private insurance, and that the CRS report they are citing specifically notes that the bill prohibits illegal immigrants from receiving federal subsidies to assist low-income families purchasing insurance."

    CRS report: "[U]nauthorized aliens would be barred from receiving" subsidy under House bill

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  6. Illegals can buy into the system but they wont get any subsides. You have to let illegals buy into the system, they are a driving force of the health care costs. The 3 states that have the lowest percentage of people insured are Texas, Florida, and New Mexico. Because 10 million illegals are going to the emergency rooms, its effecting you, me and everyone else.

    Latino's get free health care in Mexico. They would have to pay for it here, so they wont move here just to pay money for what was free there.

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    • Mexico has lower mortality rates than here and in Canada. Their hospitals are safer than ours. Mexico has 50% less death from diseases per person. Mexico's health care is "excellent." Health insurance companies here send people to mexico for treatment because its cheaper and better. An overnight stay at a hospital in Mexico is about $25. It can be up to $1500 here.

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    • The Congressional Research Service disagrees with you on subsidies for illegals.

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      • Show me where the Congressional Research Services says that the new bill will allow illegals to get subsides..

        Section 246, which is included in the part of the bill that sets up the exchange, forbids payments "on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

        Obama did lie when he said that illegals wont be apart of the bill, but what I just said is correct. Illegals can BUY into the program but will not receive subsides.

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        • If they are part of the bill, they will be subsidized.
          Why would they buy in, otherwise?

          The CRS literature is public info. I have my own list of research items to attend.

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          • Section 246, which is included in the part of the bill that sets up the exchange, forbids payments “on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”

            http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/27/cnn-truth-squad-will-health-bill-pay-for-illegal-immigrants-an-update/

            You have no clue what you are talking about. Obama is mandating insurance and subsidizing those who cannot afford it. They aren't going to pay for illegal aliens insurance.

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          • I believe that you believe.
            Please do not take the time to do the research.

            CNN Truth Squad?

            rotflmao

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          • I don't have to research, the CRS statements are in that link I posted.

            From the Fact Check Desk: Illegal Immigrants and Health Care Reform
            http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/09/from-the-fact-check-desk-illegal-immigrants-and-health-care-reform.html

            Fox figures ignore health bill's ban on subsidies for illegal immigrants
            http://mediamatters.org/research/200909110013

            Health Care Debate Revives Immigration Battle
            http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/health/policy/06immighealth.html

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          • More maypole dancing?

            Will illegals be under HR 3200?
            I believe that you have already answered yes to this.

            Will care, under HR 3200, be subsidized?
            Of course.

            Wake up.

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          • Remove the blinders Louie:

            http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text?version=ih&nid=t0:ih:965

            SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.

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            Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

            Oh wait, or maybe I am Sean, or Daria, or Mike... Oooohhhh...

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  7. Rep. Wilson is Right
    Government Will Provide Obamacare to Illegals

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