We’re Broke, So Why Do We Even Argue About Government Healthcare?




In his latest appearance on Larry King, Ron Paul pointed out the reality that most government programs are broke and that there is no money left to squander on yet another grand medical scheme.

The debate should have ended right there. But Larry had two more guests…

First, there was President Obama’s former physician, Dr. David Scheiner, who loves Medicare and continues to lose patients due to private insurance companies interfering with health choices. Unfortunately, he draws the wrong conclusions; instead of calling for the free market to dissolve government-mandated healthcare monopolies and giving patients true freedom of choice, he pushes for a single payer system where everything is run by the government.

Next came Dr. Nancy H. Nielsen, the president of the American Medical Association, an organization that works to keep healthcare prices artificially high by limiting and restricting non-physician competition. Dr. Nielsen says that she wants Americans to “share the risk”; in other words, she is in favor of forcing a large number of individuals to hand over their hard earned money for the benefit of people they don’t even know.

Why don’t these two doctors go out there and personally help unfortunate individuals who are “suffering in this country” through no fault of their own? Instead of limiting healthcare competition and trying to influence what happens with other people’s money, couldn’t Dr. Nielsen start a private charity that raises funds from willing contributors and helps the poor obtain the medical care they need? And couldn’t Dr. Scheiner volunteer his services to treat uninsured patients at no cost in his spare time, and motivate other doctors to do the same?

Wouldn’t such individualized efforts, which we can all engage in if we so choose out of our own volition, have a much more positive effect on the country than trying to push incremental socialism and forced redistribution of wealth on the rest of us?

Show: Larry King Live
Channel: CNN
Date: 9/9/2009

Larry King: Congressman Paul, did the president change your mind in anyway tonight?

Ron Paul: No, not quite. He firmed up my belief that there is no way this will be paid for. At the end of his speech he said, “We’re not going to have one dollar of debt coming from this.” But there has never been a medical program by government that wasn’t 2 or 3 times more expensive than they claimed it would be. So he said it was a little under a trillion. I predict when this is all over it will cost 2 or 3 trillion dollars, and believe me – he said of course he wasn’t going to take any money out of Medicare. Well he couldn’t, it’s practically broke itself. I mean all these government programs are essentially bankrupt. So I don’t see any practical outcome from all these proposals. This is just going to move the bankruptcy of this country rapidly along.

Larry King: Dr. Scheiner, you’re a strong proponent of a national health program involving the government. Do you think you’re going to get it?

David Scheiner: I think it’s still possible, but I think physicians are going to have to organize to get it. 400 billion dollars a year spent on private health insurance administration. Under his program this will probably increase. It is going to be a third of every dollar spent in healthcare. The other thing he dismissed single payer very quickly saying “If we shifted to single payer this will disrupt healthcare.” When a patient who’s 64 and is on private health insurance turns 65, there is no disruption in healthcare. Private healthcare interferes with the practice of medicine constantly. I had an example in my office today which was a disaster. Medicare never interferes. The health lobby has spent a quarter of a billion dollars in lobbying over the past 6 months. And I think they’re getting their money’s worth if you watch the Republicans tonight. I’m just ashamed.

Larry King: Dr. Nielsen, where do you stand in all of this?

Nancy H. Nielsen: Well, we think he set the stage for significant healthcare reform and we think it’s time to seize the opportunity. People are suffering in this country. It would be fine if people didn’t need insurance and we went back to the old way where patients just paid their doctor. But that doesn’t work when your daughter gets leukemia. We really have to share the risk and so he set the stage. We’re hoping that people of good will on both sides of the aisle will really get down to work and recognize that we need to get something done. Come together, compromise, and get some meaningful reform.

Larry King: Are you saying that the AMA generally approves basically of his ideas?

Nancy H. Nielsen: Well, if you think about it, Larry, what he did is he set out 3 major goals. One of them was to stabilize those who have insurance right now. That’s a laudable goal. He said the second goal was to provide affordable healthcare, health insurance for those who don’t have it. There aren’t many people who would disagree with that. And the third was to stem the rising healthcare cost. Again, as a country we have to do that. But if you remember the one area where he got this laughter in the […] that got a reaction.

Larry King: Thank you all very much, we’re out of time but we’ll have lot more on this tomorrow. We’ll hope to have all of them back.



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  1. For Texans
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  2. "The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin" - Mark Twain

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  3. HR3200
    Division A, Title IV pages 167-215 Amendments to IRS Code of 1986,
    would empower the IRS to require taxpayers to show proof of health insurance coverage, collect fines on individuals and employers who did not have adequate proof of health insurance and determine whether your health insurance was a government approved plan.

    And we get 53 new agencies, to boot.

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  4. If you did not make it to Washington D.C. today:
    Over 2 1/2 hours of video from the march.

    Enjoy
    http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2009/09/12/HP/A/23055/FreedomWorks+Rally+in+DC.aspx

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    • A time lapse video of the march up Pennsylvania Avenue
      (3 1/2 hours condensed to forty seconds)
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sjvc6baor8&feature=player_embedded

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    • While the MSM in this country say 'tens of thousands' marched, elsewhere in the world it looks like this:

      Up to two million march to US Capitol to protest against Obama's spending in 'tea-party' demonstration
      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1213056/Up-million-march-US-Capitol-protest-Obamas-spending-tea-party-demonstration.html#ixzz0R1y6tkRr

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  5. The democrat Congress, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi run, just handed 20 TRILLION in freebies and loans to WallStreet, the bankers, foreign banks, their UAW union, their favored BIG BANK INSURANCE Companies, and assorted foreign central banks and offshore entities.
    They TOTALLY SPANKED EVERY DIME and then some the republicans ever gave or got from bigoil and big business IN ONE FELL IDIOT SWOOP OF DEMOLIB TRILLIONS HANDED TO THEIR CORPO PARTNERS IN CRIME AND FRIENDS AND FAMILIES AND LOBBYISTS WORKING FOR THEM !
    THEY'RE ALL MULTI-MILLIONAIRES NOW TEN TIMES OVER AND THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILIES ARE ROLLING IN THE MOOLAH -
    They, the democrats, are worse than the republicans ever were, yet the demolib liars screeched about republicans and greed and business MY ENTIRE LIFE AND PRETENDED THEY, THE DEMOCRATS WERE COMPLETELY INNOCENT AND AGAINST SUCH THINGS...
    Well, the democrats lied to me for 30 years straight, and now their big fat money hogging massive corpo wall street banksters connections are APPARENT for all to see...
    Not only that, but they have TAKEN OVER AND PRIVATIZED BUSINESS AND BANKS IN A MASSIVE OPEN DISPLAY OF FASCISM!
    DEMOCRAT FASCISTS! MONEY SUCKING TRILLION DOLLAR ROBBER BARRON FASCISTS !
    They "promote their fascism" with the other TOTALITARIAN ideation / face - COMMUNISM - as they rob the nationm blind for trillions, they preach their COMMUNISM FREEBIES to the "masses" - and yes indeed, they are such satanic liars they claim it's all FREE - just like Obama said "healthcare won't cost a dime of deficit or debt" - and if you are a retarded beelzebubba libtard democrat socialist progressive of course you believe flappy lips and ears 100000000% !
    I've NEVER seen such massive HYPOCRISY and BLATANT LYING in my entire life.
    Hang on people, the COMMUNISTS (now called democrats, progressives, liberals, whateva, lefties) have taken over the whole thing - they started "offically" with the New Deal( but they were at work here way before that, read Bella Dodd's book, the commies were here in 1900 and before - taking things over slowly but surely, then The Great Society, and all that power and control has morhped into the blackest demonic hellhorde of total theft and lies you, or I, or anyone not form a third world pit could possibly imagine.
    The USA is virtually GONE - and I do not believe it will be "taken back" - hold on because the left is going to grab EVERYTHING then parlay the horror and crash into their LibSpeak dictatorship pretty words of love, as they use the neocon right to become the ENFORCEMENT ARM and CRUSH the people revolting.
    There is NO WAY OUT, and you are now LIBBORG, assimilated.

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  6. HEALTH, WHAT IS IT. HOW CAN A PERSON WHO SMOKES EVERY DAY, A PACK A DAY AND NOT GET CANCER OR EVERN BE SICK. HOW CAN SOME PEOPLE NOT GET AIDS. WHAT IS THE REASON, FOR THE RIGHT TO HEALTH CARE. WHAT IS THE REASON WE SHOULD PAY FOR OTHER PEOPLES CHOICES. WHAT IS MONEY, WHAT IS IT'S REASON, DOES IT REALY HAVE VALUE. WHY DO PEOPLE KILL AND STEAL, CHEAT AND LIE FOR THE PAPER MONEY. WHO R WE TO SAY WHAT HAS VALUE AND WHAT DOES'NT. WHO EVER SAID THAT THE CONSTITUTION WAS A BOUCH OF LAWS. I THOUGHT THE CONSTITUTION WAS IDEAS, IN WHITCH PEOPLE FELT WAS A VERY GOOD IDEAS TO STAND WITH. IT WAS THE MAP IN WHITCH TO "PURSE" TO BE FREE. FREE IN MIND AND BODY. YET STILL REMEMBER WHEN OTHERS BELIEVE IN THE SAME AS U OR ME, U MUST LET THEM LEARN. WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT IS TO MAKE THERE OWN CHOICES.

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  7. The reason why our healthcare is so bad is because we are so unhealthy. We eat like inhumane savage animals, which has become the norm. The top four diseases in our country comes from bad eating habits. Scientists and doctors predict that 50% of our grandchildren will end up with diabetes.

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    • Just take Ron Paul for an example. He is a healthy guy, he grows his own vegetables. He wasn't conditioned at a young age to eat happy meals. "Oh the times, they are a-changin." - Bob Dylan

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  8. In actual fact the US people are not broke.Your wealth is always in your people.It is the banking system that steals from people the right to work via debt slavery.How can there be unemployment when there are so many people willing to work just to survive?This is total BS and the sooner the Fed is abolished then the better for all humanity.

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  9. Just reform the system.

    Support for reform is support for the country, people, the health system and industry. Not neccesarily support for democrats.

    The selfish genes have to be put in neutral by each one that have them crancked up. Maybe that is one of the problems.

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  10. People in Washington and in positions sheltered by power are not fully aware of the everyday reality in all kind of communities (rich and poor, because middle class is gone). It's bad.

    Probably because the leadership relies too much in high tech for everything. You are loosing touch with the people and the reality, it shows too in the care of patients.

    Sorry, but I had to say it!

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  11. Lobbying must be legal when people at the higher level are openly involved in this activity (is it?). Still, a quarter of a BILLION is a lot of money for me. That would fund several needed research projects.

    Patients will continue to go abroad if there is no reform to the Health system, not just for insurance.

    Please get it done so that the industry survive and the people can function.

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