Comments on: Ron Paul: We Need True Competition in Medical Care http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-24/ron-paul-we-need-true-competition-in-medical-care/ Ron Paul is America's leading voice for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies. The Ron Paul Revolution continues. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:28:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Foresthttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-24/ron-paul-we-need-true-competition-in-medical-care/comment-page-1/#comment-60989 Forest Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:43:08 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3983#comment-60989 "We as Americans should be the ones voting on this health care issue with our own personal vote, not by a democrat or a republican politician. They have too many conflicts of interests with big pharma lobbyists and the profits"Riiiight. And 'the people' always make the best decisions when it comes to fiscal restraint - why don't you see how that is working out for California? “We as Americans should be the ones voting on this health care issue with our own personal vote, not by a democrat or a republican politician. They have too many conflicts of interests with big pharma lobbyists and the profits”

Riiiight. And ‘the people’ always make the best decisions when it comes to fiscal restraint – why don’t you see how that is working out for California?

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]]> By: Al Bel albel1@aol.comhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-24/ron-paul-we-need-true-competition-in-medical-care/comment-page-1/#comment-60988 Al Bel albel1@aol.com Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:32:04 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3983#comment-60988 I have a plan - a complete plan - would you like to see it? albel1@aol.com (sample) Promote each doctor to have his own "Doctorcare" Ins. for his own patients. Any Health ins. pays the patient and the patient pays the bill. GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF HEALTHCARE AND DON'T LET INS, COS. SET PRICES OR OVERPAY If you are too poor to pay medical bills - BORROW the money from the government and repay it through payroll deductions like you pay SS now. IF you never are able to payback gov. - we then take it on the chin - which won't happen much if the IRS is let in. Why do Doctor visits cost so much? There was a time when you went to the doctor and paid the doctor $10. You then got a job that supplied you with health Ins. You then went to the doctor and the visit cost was $20 – Ins. paid – you paid nothing. The next time you had a doctor visit it cost the Ins. Co. $30 – you said nothing. Next time the visit cost was $50 paid for by ins. – you said nothing. The next time the cost was $75 – Ins. paid $70 and you had to pay $5 – now you show a little concern but you say nothing. Next time the visit cost was $100 – Ins. paid $75 – you had to pay $25 – now you are furious. The next time the visit cost $125 – ins. paid $95 – you had to pay $30. Now you rant and rave – the greedy insurance co. bla, bla bla. You place the blame on the ins. co. – not the doctor. The truth is the ins. co was very generous their cost went from $20 to $95 – that a huge increase – a 475% increase. The doctor’s income went from $10 to $125 – a 1250% increase – wow – that’s obscene. Who’s the culprit – the doctor. You’ve been duped. Government and other unscrupulous people wrongly convinced you to place the blame on ins. cos. But, wait a minute – a big reason why the doctor charges so much is because healthcare is over regulated by government. Government forces the doctor and ins. co to file this paper and that paper – keep tact of this and that. Government has their hands in all medical requirements and payments – they strangle the healthcare industry – it’s not over the care – it’sover the money. Government is the reason healthcare is so messed up and why it costs so much. Government is the reason there is fraud misuse and overpayment in medical care. But, hold on again – it’s your fault too. You got the medical care but because you didn’t directly pay you weren’t concerned with how much it cost (until you found you had to pay too). Fact is if you always directly paid the whole bill you would have complained long ago and the cost would not have gotten so high – yup – it’s your fault too. Truth is – if there were never insurance and you always paid the whole bill the cost of your doctor visit would have risen. It probably would have risen 300% (that’s a triple in cost) from $10 to $30 – but there is no way it would have went up 1250% or beyond where it is now.No one is pleased we’re just being squeezed; stop this disease before we get seized. American Citizens – write the right plan!!!! Has it even been done – the citizens write the law – government enacts that law? It will be one of America’s greatest moments. You can write history. America can make history. We can Show the world that America IS “We The People” and that Greatness abounds within America’s people. This will be; “The Pen Stroke Heard Round The World” I have a plan – a complete plan – would you like to see it?
albel1@aol.com (sample)
Promote each doctor to have his own “Doctorcare” Ins. for his own patients.
Any Health ins. pays the patient and the patient pays the bill.
GET GOVERNMENT OUT OF HEALTHCARE AND DON’T LET INS, COS. SET PRICES OR OVERPAY
If you are too poor to pay medical bills – BORROW the money from the government and repay it through payroll deductions like you pay SS now. IF you never are able to payback gov. – we then take it on the chin – which won’t happen much if the IRS is let in.
Why do Doctor visits cost so much? There was a time when you went to the doctor and paid the doctor $10. You then got a job that supplied you with health Ins. You then went to the doctor and the visit cost was $20 – Ins. paid – you paid nothing. The next time you had a doctor visit it cost the Ins. Co. $30 – you said nothing. Next time the visit cost was $50 paid for by ins. – you said nothing. The next time the cost was $75 – Ins. paid $70 and you had to pay $5 – now you show a little concern but you say nothing. Next time the visit cost was $100 – Ins. paid $75 – you had to pay $25 – now you are furious. The next time the visit cost $125 – ins. paid $95 – you had to pay $30. Now you rant and rave – the greedy insurance co. bla, bla bla. You place the blame on the ins. co. – not the doctor. The truth is the ins. co was very generous their cost went from $20 to $95 – that a huge increase – a 475% increase. The doctor’s income went from $10 to $125 – a 1250% increase – wow – that’s obscene. Who’s the culprit – the doctor. You’ve been duped. Government and other unscrupulous people wrongly convinced you to place the blame on ins. cos. But, wait a minute – a big reason why the doctor charges so much is because healthcare is over regulated by government. Government forces the doctor and ins. co to file this paper and that paper – keep tact of this and that. Government has their hands in all medical requirements and payments – they strangle the healthcare industry – it’s not over the care – it’sover the money. Government is the reason healthcare is so messed up and why it costs so much. Government is the reason there is fraud misuse and overpayment in medical care. But, hold on again – it’s your fault too. You got the medical care but because you didn’t directly pay you weren’t concerned with how much it cost (until you found you had to pay too). Fact is if you always directly paid the whole bill you would have complained long ago and the cost would not have gotten so high – yup – it’s your fault too. Truth is – if there were never insurance and you always paid the whole bill the cost of your doctor visit would have risen. It probably would have risen 300% (that’s a triple in cost) from $10 to $30 – but there is no way it would have went up 1250% or beyond where it is now.

No one is pleased we’re just being squeezed; stop this disease before we get seized.
American Citizens – write the right plan!!!!
Has it even been done – the citizens write the law – government enacts that law? It will be one of America’s greatest moments. You can write history. America can make history. We can Show the world that America IS “We The People” and that Greatness abounds within America’s people. This will be; “The Pen Stroke Heard Round The World”

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]]> By: Marc Kruzahttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-24/ron-paul-we-need-true-competition-in-medical-care/comment-page-1/#comment-60985 Marc Kruza Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:27:01 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3983#comment-60985 Will someone PLEASE tell me what you're supposed to do if you lose your job, your insurance, get sick or have a chronic disease, and cannot get treatment OR afford coverage? This happens to people who have been frugal and saved their entire lives. What about the rights of those individuals? What if someday it's you??? Will someone PLEASE tell me what you’re supposed to do if you lose your job, your insurance, get sick or have a chronic disease, and cannot get treatment OR afford coverage? This happens to people who have been frugal and saved their entire lives. What about the rights of those individuals? What if someday it’s you???

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]]> By: SWhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-24/ron-paul-we-need-true-competition-in-medical-care/comment-page-1/#comment-49097 SW Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:29:46 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3983#comment-49097 "If you want free healthcare go to Cuba where it’s totally accepted for a man to sell his daughter to buy himself a beer."Al Beal What the hell are you talking about? First of all I've been to Cuba and that's complete nonsense. You live in a fantasy world filled with right wing talking points and gibberish. But why go to Cuba? Why not France, Italy, England, Germany, Japan or anywhere in THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD? If you don't want all these evil government entitlements why not move to a nice place where they don't have them. We call them third-world countries. Have fun in Haiti or Singapore. But you should do fine because you're such a great provider and do it all on your own. Be sure you don't use our socialist roads, our communist police and fire protection and if someone doesn't pay you, don't use our big government run courts to enforce your contracts.If we don't have a right to health care why do we have a right to free police protection? Why do we have a right to have our food inspected? Why do we get free military protection for all. That has to end too I guess.Morons like you are why we are paying twice as much as anyone else to have the 37th rated health care system in the world. Go find a nice island and see if you can succeed by yourself. Just think no evil taxes! “If you want free healthcare go to Cuba where it’s totally accepted for a man to sell his daughter to buy himself a beer.”

Al Beal What the hell are you talking about? First of all I’ve been to Cuba and that’s complete nonsense. You live in a fantasy world filled with right wing talking points and gibberish. But why go to Cuba? Why not France, Italy, England, Germany, Japan or anywhere in THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD?
If you don’t want all these evil government entitlements why not move to a nice place where they don’t have them. We call them third-world countries. Have fun in Haiti or Singapore. But you should do fine because you’re such a great provider and do it all on your own. Be sure you don’t use our socialist roads, our communist police and fire protection and if someone doesn’t pay you, don’t use our big government run courts to enforce your contracts.

If we don’t have a right to health care why do we have a right to free police protection? Why do we have a right to have our food inspected? Why do we get free military protection for all. That has to end too I guess.

Morons like you are why we are paying twice as much as anyone else to have the 37th rated health care system in the world. Go find a nice island and see if you can succeed by yourself. Just think no evil taxes!

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]]> By: Al Belhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-24/ron-paul-we-need-true-competition-in-medical-care/comment-page-1/#comment-43859 Al Bel Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:18:10 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3983#comment-43859 John the government regulations say that the insurance co. premiums are set by past payouts. That IS the truth. the corruption we are seeing is because so many hands are in the pot and the insured has no say in who pays what. some form of patient direct payment for healthcare WOULD bring costs down. It's funny that you know the problem with gov. having their hands in the process when you wrote "you have to charge Medicaid/Medicare twice as much to get the appropriate amount back. The doctors are corrupted - they cheat by over billing AND the gov. allows it..... and you want more of the same? I posted a common sense plan on these boards that changes everything and puts the patient in control. please read it If you want - I'll send you a copy direct albel1@aol.com John
the government regulations say that the insurance co. premiums are set by past payouts. That IS the truth. the corruption we are seeing is because so many hands are in the pot and the insured has no say in who pays what. some form of patient direct payment for healthcare WOULD bring costs down.
It’s funny that you know the problem with gov. having their hands in the process when you wrote “you have to charge Medicaid/Medicare twice as much to get the appropriate amount back. The doctors are corrupted – they cheat by over billing AND the gov. allows it….. and you want more of the same?
I posted a common sense plan on these boards that changes everything and puts the patient in control. please read it
If you want – I’ll send you a copy direct albel1@aol.com

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]]> By: Al Belhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-24/ron-paul-we-need-true-competition-in-medical-care/comment-page-1/#comment-43856 Al Bel Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:03:54 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3983#comment-43856 sean the republic is broke they don't represent the people they are ruling the people. An old joke says Democracy is three wolves and a sheep voting on dinner. In a republic, the sheep get to vote for which wolves will vote for dinner. But in a constitutional republic, mutton is outlawed and the sheep are armed. [America has now put mutton back on the menu].We’re looking for good people with more than concern about our community’s conditions. Current organizations talk but don’t (can’t) act. If you are willing to do more – let’s hear your ideas. sean
the republic is broke they don’t represent the people they are ruling the people.
An old joke says
Democracy is three wolves and a sheep voting on dinner.
In a republic, the sheep get to vote for which wolves will vote for dinner. But in a constitutional republic, mutton is outlawed and the sheep are armed.
[America has now put mutton back on the menu].

We’re looking for good people with more than concern about our community’s conditions. Current organizations talk but don’t (can’t) act. If you are willing to do more – let’s hear your ideas.

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]]> By: Johnhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-24/ron-paul-we-need-true-competition-in-medical-care/comment-page-1/#comment-43783 John Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:40:57 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3983#comment-43783 That's not true. Insurance companies figure out how to pay the doctors the least amount possible in order for services rendered. This is magnified by the government run insurance plans. That is the reason (and insane malpractice suits) why doctors have to charge more and more just to get paid the same. From working in several doctor's offices myself (and studying to be a doctor as well), you have to charge Medicaid/Medicare twice as much to get the appropriate amount back.For example, for a simple eye exam (I am in optometry school), you would charge a cash paying patient $60, but you must bill Medicare/Medicaid at least $120 to receive $50 in compensation. That’s not true. Insurance companies figure out how to pay the doctors the least amount possible in order for services rendered. This is magnified by the government run insurance plans. That is the reason (and insane malpractice suits) why doctors have to charge more and more just to get paid the same. From working in several doctor’s offices myself (and studying to be a doctor as well), you have to charge Medicaid/Medicare twice as much to get the appropriate amount back.

For example, for a simple eye exam (I am in optometry school), you would charge a cash paying patient $60, but you must bill Medicare/Medicaid at least $120 to receive $50 in compensation.

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]]> By: seanhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-24/ron-paul-we-need-true-competition-in-medical-care/comment-page-1/#comment-43381 sean Sun, 04 Oct 2009 07:34:52 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3983#comment-43381 No we shouldn't vote on health care as people. That is called a democracy, we have a republic government.They are making a co-op program. No corporation will benefit from that. Co-op's are a non-profit businesses owned and ran by the people."A cooperative (also co-operativeor coöperative; often referred to as a co-op or coop) is defined by the International Co-operative Alliance's Statement on the Co-operative Identity as an autonomous association of persons united voluntarily to meet their common economic, social, and cultural needs and aspirations through a jointly-owned and democratically-controlled enterprise.[1] It is a business organization owned and operated by a group of individuals for their mutual benefit.[2] A cooperative may also be defined as a business owned and controlled equally by the people who use its services or who work at it. Cooperative enterprises are the focus of study in the field of cooperative economics." - wikiWe have the same thing for car insurance.. No we shouldn’t vote on health care as people. That is called a democracy, we have a republic government.

They are making a co-op program. No corporation will benefit from that. Co-op’s are a non-profit businesses owned and ran by the people.

“A cooperative (also co-operativeor coöperative; often referred to as a co-op or coop) is defined by the International Co-operative Alliance’s Statement on the Co-operative Identity as an autonomous association of persons united voluntarily to meet their common economic, social, and cultural needs and aspirations through a jointly-owned and democratically-controlled enterprise.[1] It is a business organization owned and operated by a group of individuals for their mutual benefit.[2] A cooperative may also be defined as a business owned and controlled equally by the people who use its services or who work at it. Cooperative enterprises are the focus of study in the field of cooperative economics.” – wiki

We have the same thing for car insurance..

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]]> By: christinehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-24/ron-paul-we-need-true-competition-in-medical-care/comment-page-1/#comment-43359 christine Sun, 04 Oct 2009 04:47:39 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3983#comment-43359 We as Americans should be the ones voting on this health care issue with our own personal vote, not by a democrat or a republican politician. They have too many conflicts of interests with big pharma lobbyists and the profits that the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, a federal corporation will make off any government-controlled health care plan. Any plan they come up with will be for THE CORPORATION'S benefits, not ours.Insurance is an extra health care expense.Insurance does not reduce the cost of drugs and health care services. It can only restrict care and reduce their payouts for their own profit to benefit themselves and their shareholders. These same people are not on THE PLAN. They have their own for a good reason. We as Americans should be the ones voting on this health care issue with our own personal vote, not by a democrat or a republican politician. They have too many conflicts of interests with big pharma lobbyists and the profits that the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, a federal corporation will make off any government-controlled health care plan. Any plan they come up with will be for THE CORPORATION’S benefits, not ours.

Insurance is an extra health care expense.

Insurance does not reduce the cost of drugs and health care services. It can only restrict care and reduce their payouts for their own profit to benefit themselves and their shareholders. These same people are not on THE PLAN. They have their own for a good reason.

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]]> By: Lindseyhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-09-24/ron-paul-we-need-true-competition-in-medical-care/comment-page-1/#comment-43177 Lindsey Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:49:21 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=3983#comment-43177 James R. Jesus Christ is the truth and he will set you free! Ron Paul is a disciple of his and he is also speaking the truth! I like your analysis of the whole hearing and I agree with you 100%. James R. Jesus Christ is the truth and he will set you free! Ron Paul is a disciple of his and he is also speaking the truth! I like your analysis of the whole hearing and I agree with you 100%.

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