Comments on: Free Trade instead of Bombs and Bribes http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-10-05/ron-paul-free-trade-instead-of-bombs-and-bribes/ Ron Paul is America's leading voice for limited, constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, sound money, and a pro-American foreign policy. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:40:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dfenshttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-10-05/ron-paul-free-trade-instead-of-bombs-and-bribes/comment-page-1/#comment-44088 Dfens Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:03:27 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=4046#comment-44088 Yap, yap, yap. I need neither you, nor Ron Paul, nor the Supreme Court to "interpret" the US Constitution for me. What it says is very plain. What it doesn't say is equally plain. You and your moRon friend say it says we must use a gold standard. You are both liars. It's that simple. Yap, yap, yap. I need neither you, nor Ron Paul, nor the Supreme Court to “interpret” the US Constitution for me. What it says is very plain. What it doesn’t say is equally plain. You and your moRon friend say it says we must use a gold standard. You are both liars. It’s that simple.

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]]> By: seanhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-10-05/ron-paul-free-trade-instead-of-bombs-and-bribes/comment-page-1/#comment-43980 sean Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:25:45 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=4046#comment-43980 "Fair trade advocates typically espouse a number of guidelines. The movement intends to provide market access to otherwise marginalized producers, connecting them to customers and allowing access with fewer middlemen. It aims to provide higher wages than typically paid to producers as well as helping producers develop knowledge, skills and resources to improve their lives." “Fair trade advocates typically espouse a number of guidelines. The movement intends to provide market access to otherwise marginalized producers, connecting them to customers and allowing access with fewer middlemen. It aims to provide higher wages than typically paid to producers as well as helping producers develop knowledge, skills and resources to improve their lives.”

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]]> By: JChttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-10-05/ron-paul-free-trade-instead-of-bombs-and-bribes/comment-page-1/#comment-43978 JC Thu, 08 Oct 2009 00:13:24 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=4046#comment-43978 Are you a fan of Mao? Are you a fan of Mao?

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]]> By: Nate Yhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-10-05/ron-paul-free-trade-instead-of-bombs-and-bribes/comment-page-1/#comment-43957 Nate Y Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:46:38 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=4046#comment-43957 So we need the government to eliminate big corporations? So we need the government to eliminate big corporations?

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]]> By: Brad Cablehttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-10-05/ron-paul-free-trade-instead-of-bombs-and-bribes/comment-page-1/#comment-43935 Brad Cable Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:50:12 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=4046#comment-43935 1) Once again, you are off base. You are arguing that because you have "coins" in your pocket that are not made of gold or silver, that therefore this was the intent of the Constitution. I submit to you that just because it is being done, this does not mean that it is what the Constitution calls for, which was your original argument.The Constitution itself and the Founding Fathers, in their writings, specifically address the "value" of the actual coin in your pocket. The government has gone for so long with its current ways that people have forgotten the purpose of the coin in the first place. The material that it is made from, should actually maintain the value that it represents. This requires a study of money and I don't have the time to explain it here. That said, here is a brief idea:When you create something of value in a barter society you trade one thing for another. If I am a bread maker in a barter society and I make 100 loaves of bread, I eat some, and trade some away for other goods. If for some reason, I can't barter all of my bread to others for the things that I need, my excess capacity goes to waste. Those extra loaves of bread can't be saved because they will spoil. With money, I have the ability to trade my excess loaves of bread for something that will not spoil, and is a fair trade of value for value. This way, I can save my excess production over time, and those that need my bread but have nothing that I want to trade, can give me money instead. It is better for buyer and seller.The coin that I receive in exchange for the excess production of my loaves of bread, should equal the value of that bread in a fair exchange transaction. Ron Paul's, and many economist's point, is that just because you say a dollar is worth a dollar, it is not an objective standard of value. The truth is, it is not worth anywhere near what it is supposed to be worth. Those coins in your pocket, are only worth what you say they are worth because the Fed and the treasury say so. Yet, each day they continue to print more money to pay for whatever purpose they choose, and the value of a dollar is decreasing over time. If you had a precious metal such as gold or silver in your pocket, it would maintain its value and actually increase over time. As time progressed, you would be able to purchase more and more things with the dollar instead of less. What you have now is a dollar that was worth a dollar a century or so ago and now is only worth 4 cents. If you did the homework on this one, you would be pissed off to find out the the government has stolen your work and your products for a century. This is not a matter of opinion, but is a proven fact.2) Your argument on China makes no sense to me. Just how did he support China over "his own people"? I read your article and don't see the connection between what you are talking about and the article above. Please explain. 1) Once again, you are off base. You are arguing that because you have “coins” in your pocket that are not made of gold or silver, that therefore this was the intent of the Constitution. I submit to you that just because it is being done, this does not mean that it is what the Constitution calls for, which was your original argument.

The Constitution itself and the Founding Fathers, in their writings, specifically address the “value” of the actual coin in your pocket. The government has gone for so long with its current ways that people have forgotten the purpose of the coin in the first place. The material that it is made from, should actually maintain the value that it represents. This requires a study of money and I don’t have the time to explain it here. That said, here is a brief idea:

When you create something of value in a barter society you trade one thing for another. If I am a bread maker in a barter society and I make 100 loaves of bread, I eat some, and trade some away for other goods. If for some reason, I can’t barter all of my bread to others for the things that I need, my excess capacity goes to waste. Those extra loaves of bread can’t be saved because they will spoil. With money, I have the ability to trade my excess loaves of bread for something that will not spoil, and is a fair trade of value for value. This way, I can save my excess production over time, and those that need my bread but have nothing that I want to trade, can give me money instead. It is better for buyer and seller.

The coin that I receive in exchange for the excess production of my loaves of bread, should equal the value of that bread in a fair exchange transaction. Ron Paul’s, and many economist’s point, is that just because you say a dollar is worth a dollar, it is not an objective standard of value. The truth is, it is not worth anywhere near what it is supposed to be worth. Those coins in your pocket, are only worth what you say they are worth because the Fed and the treasury say so. Yet, each day they continue to print more money to pay for whatever purpose they choose, and the value of a dollar is decreasing over time. If you had a precious metal such as gold or silver in your pocket, it would maintain its value and actually increase over time. As time progressed, you would be able to purchase more and more things with the dollar instead of less. What you have now is a dollar that was worth a dollar a century or so ago and now is only worth 4 cents. If you did the homework on this one, you would be pissed off to find out the the government has stolen your work and your products for a century. This is not a matter of opinion, but is a proven fact.

2) Your argument on China makes no sense to me. Just how did he support China over “his own people”? I read your article and don’t see the connection between what you are talking about and the article above. Please explain.

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]]> By: seanhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-10-05/ron-paul-free-trade-instead-of-bombs-and-bribes/comment-page-1/#comment-43922 sean Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:56:07 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=4046#comment-43922 Big corporations. Big corporations.

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]]> By: Nate Yhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-10-05/ron-paul-free-trade-instead-of-bombs-and-bribes/comment-page-1/#comment-43917 Nate Y Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:34:16 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=4046#comment-43917 Who's the middle man? Who’s the middle man?

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]]> By: seanhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-10-05/ron-paul-free-trade-instead-of-bombs-and-bribes/comment-page-1/#comment-43905 sean Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:39:14 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=4046#comment-43905 Fair trade is about eliminating the middle man, so there is competition on both sides of the spectrum so it is "fair" for both countries. Fair trade is about eliminating the middle man, so there is competition on both sides of the spectrum so it is “fair” for both countries.

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]]> By: seanhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-10-05/ron-paul-free-trade-instead-of-bombs-and-bribes/comment-page-1/#comment-43903 sean Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:31:50 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=4046#comment-43903 I think you are just arguing to argue. Get a life, that is ridiculous.A country can have both free trade and fair trade. Ron Paul would agree.You don't even know what fair trade is. It's not about the government dictating prices or wages. I think you are just arguing to argue. Get a life, that is ridiculous.

A country can have both free trade and fair trade. Ron Paul would agree.

You don’t even know what fair trade is. It’s not about the government dictating prices or wages.

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]]> By: seanhttp://www.ronpaul.com/2009-10-05/ron-paul-free-trade-instead-of-bombs-and-bribes/comment-page-1/#comment-43899 sean Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:16:33 +0000 http://www.ronpaul.com/?p=4046#comment-43899 haha okay. So you think that major corporations will find somewhere else to go if they think China's laborers are being treated unfairly? ya right, get real.Wages are not prices. Prices are determined by the market where as wages are determined by the business owners.. Just because wages go up doesn't mean that prices will go up. Prices are determined by what the market will pay. YOU IDIOT!Higher wages would come out of the profit of major corporations. I guess you are for corporatism and you want to give china all of our gold.. hahaha! what a joke.I guess this is one thing you and Ron Paul don't agree on. haha okay. So you think that major corporations will find somewhere else to go if they think China’s laborers are being treated unfairly? ya right, get real.

Wages are not prices. Prices are determined by the market where as wages are determined by the business owners.. Just because wages go up doesn’t mean that prices will go up. Prices are determined by what the market will pay. YOU IDIOT!

Higher wages would come out of the profit of major corporations. I guess you are for corporatism and you want to give china all of our gold.. hahaha! what a joke.

I guess this is one thing you and Ron Paul don’t agree on.

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