Poll: Ron Paul 2012
Should Ron Paul run for President in 2012?
This poll is now closed. It was open from Oct. 27 – Nov. 16, 2009 and attracted 9,312 voters. The results are displayed below.
Should Ron Paul run for President in 2012?
- Yes. (94%, 8,727 Votes)
- It depends. (explain below) (3%, 267 Votes)
- No. (3%, 259 Votes)
- I don’t know. (0%, 59 Votes)
Total Voters: 9,312
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I have researched Sarah Palin for the past year. Sarah and Dr. Paul are very close in their Political views, other than that Sarah has a Son fighting in Afghanistan. (Foreign Policy) Dr. Paul is up there in years of Age, and I believe that a Paul/Palin ticket may win an Election. Dr. Ron Paul would make a great “Chief of Staff” and advisor to a Palin Administration. Sarah would also fit fine in the Cabinet or Vice-Presidency of a Ron Paul Presidency. There are many other good Candidates also…just a thought…
I don’t know how having a son in Afghanistan actually accredits her with foreign policy experience and I’ve heard her talk and she seems pretty clueless about real issues. She is pro war which Ron Paul is not and she seems to be on the favored side of the neocons like Hannity and crowd which only seems to happen when you have the same viewpoint or the same contributors. I remember reading an interview done with Congressman Paul and he was asked about Palin as she had said she liked some of his views and he likened her to the country club republicans. Here is just the latest nonsense that has spewed from her lips..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkrUQ6q1kZk
I have a question for Barak Hussein Obama and Nancy Pelosi about Health Care:
Botox Nancy said this week that she believes “anyone who does not pay for Health Care should go to Jail”. IN JAIL, PEOPLE GET FREE HEALTH CARE! Where is their common sense?
We have a very large population of Amish People in Northeast Ohio who have never had Health Care benefits in their lifetimes because of Religious Beliefs. Are they going to put all of them in Jail? Perhaps Sarah Palin can address this question…Sarah and Dr. Ron Paul are much more intelligent than Obama and Pelosi.
I’m not really a fan of Fox news but I came across and it’s the typical truth about what I’ve seen from Sarah Palin. If you’re going to comment on something at least do your research about it. To be presidential would mean that you would at least do that. Now I know our recent leaders aren’t good examples of this statement but I say that with hope that we can maybe make a change with the good Congressman Paul as our leader come 2012.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUWF0ib-IC4
I have an idea. It seems to me that most if not all of the posts on this website agree. Dr Paul will you please announce your intent to run for the office of the President? If you do so we the people can start organizing, to get you on the ballot in every state. It seems to me that current President and illumist Obama had a great grass roots campaign way ahead of time. Can we do the same for you?
I pledge to help out in the Great state of Wisconsin.
Rally for the Republics’ last hurrah!!
Lindsey: Yes, I write for Sarah on a voluntary basis and I know that she is “Libertarian”. Having talked to her, I find Sarah much more intelligent than most people give her credit for. I am not involved with her new book…Sarah did that on her own.
Here are a couple of comments that I have written for her:
1) $150,000 clothes…A man can wear the same clothes and not one person will notice. A woman cannot do that because if she wears the same clothes in July…and then again in October…people will notice. That is why women have big wardrobes. (Personal from Sarah…She gave her clothes to Charity).
2) Written to Boston University:
The (5) Continents…”All are bordered by Water and begin with the same first and last letter “A”, (Alaska)? America, Asia, Australia, Antarctica, Africa. Arctic is not a continent because it has no Earth beneath.
This is one of Sarah Palin’s recent speeches, and I agree with her. “I do not know what you choose, but as for me, I choose freedom. My freedom is being traded or all kinds of causes: for health care reform, for campaign finance reform, for immigration reform, for global warming/climate change, for bailouts of the government and their Wall Street pals, for banking reform, and even for partisan gain by Democrats and Republicans, “liberals” and “conservatives”, and for lots of other causes and reforms.
NONE of these causes or reforms is equal in value to my freedom and my freedom, which I own inherently, is beyond the jurisdiction of political parties, governments or corporations.
I love peace, I love my country, I believe in a civil society, I believe in open and fair public debate, and I believe in the democratic process. I value my freedom more than life itself, for freedom is the greatest gift I can pass on to my progeny, against which all other promises are pale and meaningless. I am sovereign and free and this has not one thing to do with any human document or law or earthly power, I own this freedom and if I choose to submit to practices that make me less free I choose a path of self-destruction and I choose to betray my sacred obligation to my family, my nation and to my progeny. I choose to live in freedom from fear. Fear is a mind killer; it is the handmaiden of slavery: it is better to be bold and perish than to live on in fear. I fear only God. The cause of freedom is not a calculation of probabilities, it is a matter of principle, it is not a matter of what may or may not succeed but what is or is not right, proper, and necessary. I fear neither failure nor death itself, I hope in my God and I obey my conscience towards my nation and my progeny. To stand for freedom, come what may, is itself a reward and if all I receive is the honor of having stood, even if at the cost of my very life or all I hold dear in this life, I have received enough for any man in this life to be content with. I choose freedom for myself, for my nation, and for my progeny. I reserve the right, alone if necessary, to stand up for my freedom against all enemies, foreign or domestic…
Matthew…
The one and only reason that people are stupid is due to their ignorance of the definition of Freedon as explained in The Constitution and The Bill of Rights. Buy lots of them and give them away to all the stupid people. I tried it, it works. They actually say “Thank You” because most of them have never seen one since it’s no longer taught to them in school. Once people understand the meaning of sovereignty they will realize the necessity of conservatism. I do understand your frustration but the reason people don’t vote for Constitutonal Principle is because they do not understand it.
Take Care Brother.
I voted “it depends” so I could leave a comment… Of course Ron Paul should run in 2012. I’m afraid that if Ron Paul doesn’t get the Republican Nomination by our current liberal red party to get the front conservative seat in the race, third party candidates or a NWO neo-natzi like Bush might get in again. People in general are still asleep. Most people won’t even vote. They should be deported to Communist China in my opinion: Lots of sheep! Very sad. I honestly believe they all should be deported if they don’t vote. Freedom is not free. If Ron Paul runs on a third party ticket there needs to be only one conservative third party running, otherwise the illuminists will promote other useless candidates in order to fraction the third party tickets. He knows… Run Ron Paul Run. I will vote for you. Sadly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Obama wins a second term. My respect for the general American populus is minute. I’m in a state of shock because so many of my fellow Americans want communism. Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid sheep. Mark Levin for Vice President, and Michael Savage or Alex Jones as a back-up.
I didn’t realize this was a Sarah Palin Board either. There was a poll at the top for Ron Paul. That’s who I’m supporting AGAIN. Did all you Sarah Palin cheerleaders forget that she ran along side a liberal republican named John McCain who supports The New World Order last year???? Why would Sarah Palin associate herself with that traitor if she was interested in restoring America? Ron Paul actually wants to restore America in alignment with the Constitution. I never heard Sarah say she want’s to do that. If the person that gets elected isn’t for getting out of the UN and eliminating the Federal Reserve from our government forever America is going to be Communist. Last chance… GET INFORMED ABOUT THE NEW WORLD ORDER AND THE PRINCIPLES OF THE CONSTITUTION & BILL OF RIGHTS BEFORE YOUR ALL SLAVES FOREVER! Rense.com, NewsWithViews.com (Dennis Cuddy & Nancy Levant). START THERE then research what you read folks like UN Agenda21 – It’s Communism. If you don’t believe me read Carl Marx’s Communist Manifesto and see where we are now. WE’RE OUT OF TIME PEOPLE! READ THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS. Then, when all of the dots connect upon your renaissance go to CampaignForLiberty.com. Listen to Mark Levin on AM Radio and read his book “Liberty and Tyranny”……PLEASE PLEASE PEOPLE GET INFORMED PLEASE, for your children and your grandchildren please get informed.
In a bold move, Sarah Palin has silenced her Critics by resigning her position as Governor of Alaska. (She saved much money for Alaskan Citizens). This may actually be a convincing moment in the History of American Politics. As a Freedom Person, she will be able to receive $50,000 to $100,000 per speech and with her new book, Sarah will be worth $$$. Sarah deserves this Money…She did it on her own without help from Election Contributions. How many other Politicians could say this?
What is Sarah doing? (Running for President. That is why Sarah wrote her new book. Sarah is ½ Billion Dollars in debt to her Attorneys…just to prove her innocence concerning Morals). Sarah needs the $$$ to achieve the run for President in 2012. Sarah Palin is Libertarian. God Bless Her!
She compares her decision to a Basketball Player who passes the Ball to a Teammate for the good of the Team. It is rather like a double reverse Hand-off in Football. Sarah plans to start an Organization for Children until the 2010 Elections, fight for good Candidates to get elected in 2010…and she will get the…
“Ball back”. She also wants to start a Grassroots Movement for a 3rd Party…Libertarian. Sarah calls it the “American Party” or “Liberty Party”. (Conservative, Constitutional).
She talks about smaller Government, etc. This move is intended to make the Obama Administration think about the current Policies that they have put forth recently. (Notice that the Obama Administration is quite about this? They are scared to death of her because some recent polls show that if the Election were held today, Sarah may win by over 80%).
John: It sounds like you have read her book. Did you get a sneak preview?
I didn’t realize this was a Sarah Palin board. Nor do I think her as the intellectual that should be a requirement when we are choosing our representatives.
I didn’t realize this was a Sarah Palin Board either. There was a poll at the top for Ron Paul. That’s who I’m supporting AGAIN. Did all you Sarah Palin cheerleaders forget that she ran along side a liberal republican named John McCain who supports The New World Order last year???? Why would Sarah Palin associate herself with that traitor if she was interested in restoring America? Ron Paul actually wants to restore America in alignment with the Constitution. I never heard Sarah say she want’s to do that. If the person that gets elected isn’t for getting out of the UN and eliminating the Federal Reserve from our government forever America is going to be Communist. Last chance… GET INFORMED ABOUT THE NEW WORLD ORDER AND THE PRINCIPLES OF THE CONSTITUTION & BILL OF RIGHTS BEFORE YOUR ALL SLAVES FOREVER! Rense.com, NewsWithViews.com (Dennis Cuddy & Nancy Levant). START THERE then research what you read folks like UN Agenda21 – It’s Communism. If you don’t believe me read Carl Marx’s Communist Manifesto and see where we are now. WE’RE OUT OF TIME PEOPLE! READ THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS. Then, when all of the dots connect upon your renaissance go to CampaignForLiberty.com. Listen to Mark Levin on AM Radio and read his book “Liberty and Tyranny”……PLEASE PLEASE PEOPLE GET INFORMED PLEASE, for your children and your grandchildren please get informed.
Ron Paul is the only one serving in Washington who has taken the time to read the US Constitution. Of course he should run. How the rest of the elected officials can uphold and defend the constitution without understanding it is beyond me. Or maybe they just don’t care.
Yes, Ron Paul should run and his son, Rand Paul should be his vice president choice! They would be able to connect with the young people that voted for Obama. GO FOR IT!
The only way to get a third party any visibility is to include them in all presidential debates and give them equal time on the talk show circuit and news interviews. If people could get to know Ron Paul or Chuck Baldwin, they would see that they stand for what the majority of Americans want. The media is keeping politics a two-party system.
YES! He is the only one in DC with true logic. Andrew Napolitano should hop on board as his running mate!
Yes,
Drive the dems nutz and have Palin as his running mate.
Drive the libertarians nutz too with a running mate like that. He doesn’t want to lose or lose face.
Hey, I really think that Ron Paul should run. He is the only politician right now that I trust. He actually believes what he is saying. We need to go back to the constitution. I hope he runs.
I would absolutely love to see the good Dr: Ron Paul win in 2012.
But i do not believe he has a chance of winning.
It is not in anyway shape or form that i disagree with his Politics in the least.
Politics in this so called modern age have become less about issue and factual evidence then about a popularity contest.
We the mass’s suffer from an excelled state of mental retardation.
The Presidential race in this country has become the American Idol of politics. People enjoy being lied to.
Anything that comes between our Nationalism,Military spending, and our Welfare programs is deemed atrocious, and ostracized.
I have as yet not found a single stand point on which i have felt complete disagreement with the good Dr:.
But as i have already said, factual evidence does not win the hearts and minds of the stupid.
The good Dr: needs to rework his image,how he sells himself the public. Without loosing the core of his honesty which so many of us find a complete breath of fresh air.
It is 3 in the morning and i feel as if i am rambling on. So i will try to get to the point.
Ron’s politics sell, to those of us who are not oh so greatly impressed but the glitz and glitter. But it will not sell to the general populace. You only need look at our last 3 President’s
(present included.)to see the truth in this.
Anyway, good night.
If he runs, he’s definitely got my vote. Ron Paul is a politician of a rare breed…he actually fights for the citizens of the United States, not his own agenda. He knows the core of America’s problems and has been striving to bring them to light despite the public image it’s given him. If this were the late 1700’s, I believe Dr. Ron Paul would be right up there with Jefferson fighting for independence from England, signing the bill of rights, etc… Regardless of his chances of winning (we all know whoever has the biggest and prettiest glitter for the sheeple gets the oval office) I know he’ll keep fighting for us no matter what position he’s in! He may be considered radical but so am I, and so is everyone on this page. I say we spread the word. Keep on our friends and family about the truth, and come 2012, Paul may have a fighting chance. He can’t be the only one doing something!
SHOULD HE RUN IN 20012
Well let me reiterate some of the things he says, and stands for. When he was asked about the tax’s he said NO TAX’S then they asked where are you going to get you’re tax’s from. He said we now pay to be in Iraq 7.3 bill’n in a month, that’s Iraq only we are into 130 country’s in the World, WHY ??
Bring our troops home he says you can’t protect our country from there, besides the fact that we are already broke anyway. At the time of the BAILOUTS that was started by the BUSHES, and continued by
Mr. wannaby, RON PAUL said give the money to the people nothing else will help the economy their the only once who will spend it. He worked his bunns off getting the FED’L RES. to become transparent, but the gutless republicans wouldn’t get behind him 100%. Last year his name was mentioned less than 5,000 where worthless McCain was at 95,000 times. In the debates he got 1.5 min. McCain 15 min. still RON PAUL collected close to 5,000,000 in
a record one day. ALLEN COLMES asked him at the debates about electability he said (AC) do you have one sir, I think he (AC) was still blinded by the people who put him up to asking a question like that. YEAH he has to run I just hope and pray that all of us and all the REP’S, GINGRICH, BUCANNON, DR.DOBSON, AND A
mill others will join and support him. In my opinion without him we have NOTHING. Tell all you’re friends to learn, and know about him. They wont fined any trash about HIM, don’t understand why their so afraid of him. everything he has is for his family, country,and the PEOPLE. THATS ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
He needs to run, and we need to understand he may not become our leader now.
The reason he needs to run is for the Revolution! Think of it as a snow ball, the longer it rolls… the bigger it gets! The grass roots effort isn’t about Ron Paul, it’s about freedom from tyranny, thats it!
Once the dollar fails and our government is bankrupt, we will be there saying I told you so, and we’ll have the outline (the constitution) to go by.
Freedom isn’t America’s rule, it’s Natures rule! Gods Rule! and the rule of Humanity!
Our Government is so big and it will enslave us, join the Revolution and spread the word. He has to run… he has to.
Ron Paul does need to run again, but as an independant. I am happy to read that more people in this country feel the same as I. It is time to end the dominant two parties that have been un-capable to run this government the way people expect. However with this comes the requirement and resposibility for all who vote to take the time to know who they are voting for and why.
The days have long been gone that the only thing you needed to know is who your parents voted for.
Ron should not run because he doesn’t have a prayer of a chance of winning, the reality is he received a sliver of the vote between McCain & a Kenyan Black Muslim Socialist and everybody knew everybody’s record and STILL voted for Obama.
We’re toast, “voting” aint gonna cut it when the majority are alien Socialists.
Ron is preaching to the choir and the choir is tiny.
You don’t run because you know for sure you’re going to win. You run because you have convictions and you also care for all the people that live in your country and in the world. The main reason Congressman Paul had such a hard time last election was because of the smear campaign put on by every so-called news station out there. Lately more and more people are becoming informed and aren’t so prone to just listen to and totally agree with the media.
To say one shouldn’t run because he doesn’t have a chance is the same as saying you wouldn’t vote for someone because they are not going to win. You should support and vote for the one that stands up for what you think is right and whether that person wins or not at least you took a stance and possibly shared a message. I’ll share a link for you about a documentary that was just made called “For Liberty Movie: How the Ron Paul Revolution Watered The Withered Tree Of Liberty”. So even though one doesn’t win one still can have an impact.
http://www.forlibertymovie.com/trailers
Steve,
That was then this is now. When the going gets tough the tough give up??? That’s what it sounds like you are saying Steve. P.S. Stop watching the mainstream media. The majority are not socialists anymore, they’re wandering in their ignorance. “Give me freedom or give me death”.
HE’S THE ONE THAT SHOULD BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE RIGHT NOW!!!
Audit the Federal Reserve by supporting Senate Bill 604, sponsored by Sen. Jim DeMint.
http://www.wnd.com/petition_fed
17,477, That’s when this petition page was removed, 10:00, 11-1-9
Who removed it?
Will it return?
Three hours later the count was down to 17,707. What is happening?
I’m re-posting this because it didn’t show up on this page, Mildearth has said it all and I agree with him.
Author: Mildearth
Comment:
It would seem Lindsey that we would have to agree to disagree. Our government is a representation of we the people and not we ‘my’ people. There are many different religions that people practice in this country and even the christian religion has conflicts amongst the denominations about what is believed to be right and wrong.
This issue of marijuana is one I brought up because I am pro-legalization for at least medical use but I’ve done a fair amount of research to know the reasons it was made illegal and also the good side of what it can do for people. The plant doesn’t only have to be smoked to be used for medicinal purposes and it really has many other productive uses such as for food and paper and fuel. The first Model T car built by Henry Ford was made with the hemp plant and was built to be powered by hemp fuel. It was quickly changed by those that control the oil and chemical industry namely DuPont and their government connections because they like to have the monopoly for the sake of profit. You can power diesel engines now with hemp fuel as well and the plant is very easy to grow and as a source of paper and fuel can be grown easily without chemicals and is also good for the soil as it’s roots grow down and help to turn the soil when you harvest. We could also stop cutting down trees
for paper and use the hemp plant and the refining process to make paper from hemp is much easier than the process required for making paper from trees. Another point on that is trees require hundreds of years to grow big and strong and the hemp plant requires a few months and then can be harvested and start all over again. If you think about it that would also allow farmers the opportunity for a new cash crop and then also allow industry for the refining of the plant into whatever you would want to make from it. It can also be used to make plastic which we currently use the by-products of oil to make plastic now so you can imagine it would be a safer plastic. I also want to point out that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights was written on hemp paper and that is one reason why the paper hasn’t degraded the way it would have if the paper was wood paper. So you can see the argument for legalization of the hemp plant and also marijuana is a good argument. We could als
o stop locking people up for minor crimes of possession of “pot” and then less people would have to go to jail and learn to live the hardened life of the real criminals that are more about violence. We could also take that product out of the hands of the criminals and put it in the hands of adults that would regulate it like we regulate other drugs and alcohol.
If you did your fair share of research about the hemp plant you may come to realize that the fact that it is illegal is really immoral and those that made sure to demonize the plant were doing so for the sake of profit and control. You could also know that the pharmaceutical business doesn’t want this plant legalized because then they’d have more competition that cannot be patented and controlled the way their chemically made drugs can be. Funny that they throw a lot of money to our bureaucrats as well.
And to Brandulph. I don’t think I have a problem. I see it as The Fed has possibly committed crimes against the people and yes we could say they were immoral in their actions but then we could say anyone is immoral in any number of actions. I prefer to look at it as they possibly broke the law and therefor could be found to be guilty of a crime and not guilty of being immoral. I could just as easily say it is immoral of you to say that I have a problem… I really don’t think that but it’s just that easy to call someone immoral.
Indeed! The plant is a goldmine for all of the reasons above and more! Anything that has such benefits and can be easily grown by the “common-man”, and hence whose commodity price can’t be controlled and manipulated, obviously has to be made illegal. And by illegal I/we mean illegal to the poor but like everything else, easy to acquire and use at will by the elitists without any fear of reprisal. As well as calling for legalisation of pot “you” Americans, and everyone for that matter, should be calling for a complete shift to solar-energy, to a DC power-grid and to electric cars….to electric everything, no more combustion at all!
http://www.science.smith.edu/~jcardell/Readings/uGrid/Solar_Plan_08.pdf
Just allow those that do not like to use pot or other narco drugs to have drug free items for the common use. That is not tainted with drugs to hook people into buying their produce.
If you think that is possible and guaranteed, please campaign to legalize everything now illegal.
At least people can now complain and demonstrate that something illegal has been done.
As you say, the elitist can do pretty much what they want, so unless common and responsible people can be in charge of the quality control you don’t want to be drugged without your consent.
Just think about the implications right now: people can be drugged and be made to consent into laws and world order we DON’T WANT.
Look around you.
For one marijuana is not a “narco” drug. And the use of it as a food in some cases does not have any effects like smoking it does. The seeds are a main source for the food substance and they don’t have any drugging effect when you eat them but they are high in proteins that are good for the body. And there is also a difference between the hemp plant and the marijuana plant that is grown to be used for medicinal purpose. The hemp plant contains very little THC which is the psychoactive substance in the marijuana plant that creates the high when used. The amount of THC in the hemp plant is so minimal that it is impossible to get high from using the hemp plant. These plants are from the same family and have both been made illegal by the federal government but they are not the same plant in regards to containing the psychoactive substance.
And if you did some research you would learn that marijuana is not addictive and that has even been proven by some doctors that had intended on proving otherwise and then after research learned the truth. The truth about people that use marijuana is that they do think more about ideas and aren’t easily controlled by the system as you have implied about people being drugged so they will obey. Most of the time it allows people to open their mind to ideas that they would not have thought about otherwise. I know not everyone enjoys the effects and that is the case with many substances, I personally don’t like the effects of alcohol but I do believe it is fine for other adults to use at their own discretion. I would say if it was legalized you wouldn’t have to worry about it getting into your food. I think we should be more worried about the GMO food that fills your grocery store shelves. That is a real problem that the government has turned a blind eye to and the reason being because George H.W. Bush declared the genetically modified foods are no different from regular food and so the FDA obeyed and no testing was done. The key player in GMO food being Monsanto doesn’t even allow for their foods to be tested by third party, it is against the law because of their patents. There are some real crimes happening against people and against our world when it comes to the genetic modification of our food supply.
Hi, yes for what I hear pot is not as addictive as other drugs. and I agree in that eventually is each person’s responsability. Or it should be.
All we hear every day is that high crime is going around, and is hard to tell from where is coming from. So if something like that is introduced into the messy picture today the real crooks will go and blame the drugs, and walk away free of charge. And it may very well be something else.
Like I said, as long as I can keep the common stuff ok I don’t get into somebody else’s life.
I have to agree with the afformentioned post. It seems to me that the hemp industry would strengthen this country. That’s why I believe we will never see it grow to fruition. Bill Clinton started the downward spiral at Rio, with the TREATY of RIO. At this function in the 90’s it was decided that either the United States of America had to come down to the 3rd worlds standard of living or they had to come up to ours to be fair. Well they decided to bring ours down. We need to be weak in order to bring about the NEW WORLD ORDER. Hemp would in and of itself re-industrialize our country. What a bad thing that would be for the one worlders. If you think the N.W.O. is a good thing then why is it patterned after Adolph Hitlers world order? Sorry if I digress too much. However it seems that things are really interconnected at a much larger scale than most of us realize.
The possibilities might be multiplying!
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Third party challenges in NJ, NY are warning sign
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091101/ap_on_el_ge/us_third_party_candidates
I have a question for all you out there.
How do you win a war? Really what does it take? Is it total submission? Is it winning the hearts and minds of the losers? How do you win? And if you do will you impose your morals on them?
What???
I assume that you are assuming that wars (let us say all wars), are waged to be won, let alone what does winning actually mean. Wars have been primarily over resources. Resources include anything corporeal that has value to the warring parties. And with respect to(w.r.t.) the incorporeal all I will say is this, if you think it then it exists. The caveat is that what you are think and what exists are not the same. e.g. Ones thought of a red cup is not the same as the red cup. Ones thought of god in a so-called religiouis war (very dubious pretence indeed b.t.w) is not the same as the…. you get the picture.
Mark and William Knox:
With the push for the NWO, wars are being waged for reasons that emphasize the decimation of the people involved with the end-goal of a much lower world population level. We are viewed as “eaters” and take from the vast wealth accumulation of those behind all of this. Our very own CIA has been instrumental in toppling government after government with the added bonus of slaughtering millions of those populations. When people begin to look beneath the surface of “spreading democracy” and preemptive wars, the picture is gruesome and staggering in its scope. See infowars.com as a good beginning to seeing beneath the surface of stated motivations for the numerous undeclared wars and invasions that we will not hear about in the mainstream news.
I really like Congressman Paul’s solution, “just come home, we just went in and we can just come out”. That quote may be a little off but is pretty much what he said.
There is no real way to win the wars that our military is waging right now and as it’s been said it’s all about deception and control. They want you to be scared and obey.
In Sun Tzus’s The Art of War. It is discussed that you never really win a war that is far from your shores. You end up bankrupting your own country. If you look at some of the things that have been done to propogate wars it’s repugnant. Napolean Bonaparte said I fear the press more than a hundred thousand banonets. It can be used to whip up patriotic ferver, at the detriment to those who follow, or to stop a war dead in it’s tracks. It really boggles my mind how when the U.N. had once and for all said that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, we went in to get them. By the way using weapons of mass destruction against their innocent civilians (Depleted Uranium) We had schock and awe. A massive bombing spree which killed and maimed untold thousands of innocent Iraqies. We hit their electrical generarating plants causing the population to be without air conditioners in well over 100 degree heat. All the while when 3/4 of the bombers in 911 were from Saudi Arabia. Do we really think we can win that war? If you kill someones father, or mother, or child do you make them love us? And where is the 1st amendment? It is being trod underfoot daily. We are not allowed to see what’s really happening on the ground in these foreign countrys. We are not allowed to know that Saddam Hussein wanted to sell his oil to us in euros not dollars. And to boot he wanted all of his money upfront, not on installement payments for 20 years. Don’t get me wrong he was a very bad man from what I can see. But George Bush, Dick Cheney and the rest of these One Worlders helped bring him into power. So the real reason they gave us for getting him is he was gassing and torturing his own people. Who gave him the gas? And was his torturing any worse than ours? If you go into a war for righteous causes the population will follow you. God wrote his laws on our hearts. Most of us know deep down in our souls what is right and wrong. If we had taken the moral high ground in this war we would not have Islam uniting against a common enemy. They see us as Crusaders. Crusaders for Jesus Christ. However if George Bush really was a Christian why then was and is he a member of a Satanic Cult? Skull and Bones is what I am saying. Look one time at their insignia, The same insignia as the Nazi S.S. or a pirates flag. Do you think a Christian can be a member of a Satanic Cult? I think not, what business does light have to do with darkness? The light would take out the darkness in less time than it takes for your heart to beat. LOVE CONQUERES ALL, THE TRUE LIGHT OF JESUS CHRIST AND HIS LOVE FOR THE WORLD IS WHAT WE NEED, NOT THESE ENDLESS WARS. WHEN ASKED THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT JESUS ANSWERED. HEAR YE ISRAEL, THE LORD YOUR GOD IS ONE AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD, WITH ALL YOUR HEART, ALL YOUR SOUL AND ALL YOUR MIND, AND YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. THESE 2 SUM UP ALL THE LAW AND ALL THE PROPHETS. That is coming right from the source. When people talk about morals and christians and point fingers at us, I like to tell them, I am all of that and more. That is why I need a forgiving savior. On my own righteousness I am nothing, I am going to hell. But with the perfect life, and innocent death, of Jesus Christ, and his resurrection from the death, I know I am saved.
Mark, I agree with you. “They” can never win this war against God. We will win it. This is only the beginning my friend. The biggest problem with this country and the world is the lack of personal faith in God. When you have that it is all clear as a bell – all the answers, without confusion. That’s why God is the NWO’s greatest threat. What they don’t get though is that their story has already been written and concluded. All they have is all they can manipulate from God’s “stuff”; it’s all God’s. The lost are simply little brats that worship the almighty dollar because they have denounced Christ.
Amen to that Michael.
One phone or one email address for one vote. Vote on issues not people, Ron Paul decides the issues, newspapers print the issues as Ron Paul directs. You get a paper trail with your phone bill or internet bill.
It’s sad that the Republicans are thinking with their you know what the only thing that I can think of is, that so many of them living off of the tax money, because when RON PAUL was asked how soon would you close the IRS, he said immediately and that’s what scared
all of them there goes our wages and salaries. RON PAUL would never do that oh he might negotiate do to the economy. Imagine getting paid for the rest of you’re life even when you stop doing you’re work, and still write all the books you want. Just how rich do these
people want to get. Yeah RON PAUL must run to be our LEADER he is the only one who has the b..ls to ask the right questions, like when he asked B. Bernecki say when are you going to stop robbing the American people of their moneys? Yeah We got to have RON PAUL.
I hope and pray that when it comes to the nitty, gritty the good DR. will not let the country, and the people down if in case he has to go with a third party. See people are getting pretty wise
and are no to crazy about either party.
Ron Paul was asked what he would have done if he was the President to stimulate the economy because he was against all these bailouts of the banks. He explained that he would have had to ask the Congress to repeal the federal income tax and that would have put the money where it is needed in the hands of the people and he went on to say that solution would have cost less then what they really did.
President Regan put together a team to investigate what the federal income tax pays for and they concluded that all federal income tax only covers the interest paid to The Fed for money borrowed by our government.
Ron Paul in the office of President may be better than nothing, but it is still nowhere near enough. The most basic of necessities is for a critical mass of people to have non-negligible fraction of the understanding that Ron Paul appears to have and of course to have as much conviction as he appears to portray. What is supremely important is that we have to start to try and steer our mindsets away from the notion that one man or woman, be it a president a prime minister a king or queen etc… will be our “saviour” will be the one to make the difference, will do what the people can’t, will lead and we will follow. We need to develop beyond the simple hierarchical command structures that have got us this far (albeit barely). Education, conviction and a means to communicate these ideas and beliefs on a mass unfiltered scale(the internet
) are part of the solution. One last thing, whatever good decisions start being made it is still going to take many years to see any real change, a careful dismantling of the current corrupt and individualistic institutions and command structures will take time and as this happens the void obviously needs to be filled. Good luck America, Australia and the rest of the world need your help and are willing to help.
Better than nothing? Is there anyone else who will insist on a constitutional government? From the top, down and from the bottom-up, the folks in political positions MUST be aligned with restoring our Republic.
If our Republic is to be brought back, Dr. Paul must have a huge grassroots support consisting of people who are awake and not willing to take any more and begin to assume responsibility for their own health and success. We need a president who will say NO the ever increasing size of the government AND steer things back to a constitutional government. You’re right, this will take time but it must BEGIN. Also, the senators and Representatives MUST be committed to participating in this restoration; no more excuses from these stooges. The totally corrupt agencies (CDC, FDA, Federal Reserve, IRS, CIA…I’m sure there are many more) must be dismantled; the devastating NAFTA, CAFTA, SPP, NAU (again many more) must be eliminated; we must divorce ourselves from the criminal Codex Alimentarius and WHO; get the hell away from our present corporatocracy and take back our country! DHS and the PATRIOT acts must be abolished, the illegal laws passed infringing on gun ownership and use must be destroyed, and our government must stop spying on its citizens. We do not need a one-world government run by the elite. Let THEM eat cake.
I saw your post on H1N1. For the last 2 years I have been saying what’s in it for the government on this whole scare tactic. I think I have it, we are not giving up our rights fast enough. We are not scared enough of the terrorists to give up all our rights. Let’s be scared of everyone. Now creeping around every corner is a sick person, trying to give me the flu. Please big brother save me! Take away all my rights but keep me safe from that 3 year old with the flu. I’ll give you anything but keep that 80 year old grandma away from me. She might have the flu. I think you get the point. For more info check out the Jane Burgermeister website.
Peace out.
Yup, fear is the tactic du jour. It seems to work so well and so many entities are in on it for a comprehensive effort. There are still so many sheeple who are so clueless…..
The Jane Burgermeister’s interview was awesome; I enjoyed every minute of it.
Ellen I can’t agree more. However J.F.K. tried to do just that and look what happened to him. His driver William Greer along with Roy Kellerman shot him in broad daylight in front of almost 200 eye witnesses. L.B.J. from what I have gathered was 2 cars behind watching the entire thing. All of the eye witnesses were dead in 2 years time. We have never had a legitmate government from that point in time. And now President Obama has declared a national emergency. This is the very step he needed to do to enact executive order 12656 abolishing our constitution and becoming a dictator. I am not saying however that is his goal. But when you look at everything that’s going on around us it makes you wonder. I pray for the peaceful transfer of power in 2012 to a more transparent and just leader. However it seems that deck is stacked against us. This whole h1n1 thing has people so afraid of each other that they would be willing to give up all freedom for safety. Of course that has never been the goal of the hegelian dialect. Thesis, (scare the sheeple) antithesis (ask for help) synthesis (give up your freedoms for peace)
I think he should run for president, because he not like most of all of the other Republicans who is not afraid to speak out! I also think his fellow republicans are way too far to the right!
Yes, I think that Ron Paul should run in 2012, but I also think that the American people should prove to him that it would be worth it to give it the old college try. Why? Because we cannot always blame Congress or the Republicans and Democrats in Washington or on the state level for what is wrong with America.
Some of that blame should be placed on us the people who elect these Corrupticrats in office. After all, who has allowed America to become the way it is today? We have, albiet apathetically.
We have tolorated this for far too long. We have been taught tho think that in order to remain a “free” country we have to sacrifice liberty, when we should sacrifice nothing at all.They have taken most of our freedoms away, thus transforming this country from being a free country to a fascist, tyranist country. The only way to prove to Ron Paul that it is worth it to run in 2012 is to start rising up and take this country back from the government. We should entrust office to only liberty minded individuals, like Ron Paul, regardless of their political party affiliation. That way, we can give the government and the politically controlled mainstream media a well deserved slap in the face, and show that we truly want to take America back.
Definitely, it’s just that the deck seems stacked against him. If the Republican Party is smart, they’ll give him a real chance this time and they won’t try to influence him. He’s the best thing they’ve had in a very long time. The only problem running Republican is that he’s damned if he does (their name slapped on anything is a curse, they’ve seen to that) and damned if he doesn’t (third party options are possibly just as risky). I don’t think he should let any of this stop him though. I think this country needs him badly, and we were looking at the same odds when we won our freedom originally.
Hi, I left some comments and questions, down there, on the issue of a third party. It looks like creating a third party and make it count should be beneficial no matter who you end up voting for. If any minimal benefit is to be gained, and kept, from all that is happening is to ensure that third route is open. For the population at risk, who today does not count at all.
Forget about the resentment of whether Paul was rejected or left out of main stream, and you want to make him count. Because it is what is happening to the public, so he or somebody like him would represent that population left out. That means it counts for real people and real life.
The public knows that politics and policy counts, but it’s not the only way to keep a society viable. I have chosen other issues different from politics to help out but now realized that politics is in the way to my contributions.
AND I AM pissed as hell about that. The significant part is that I am not alone in that situation. The same applies to people that live out shear politics, other issues are on their way. Say, the people.
Look around you, we have to stop the hate and the picking of irrelevant issues when electing leaders takes place. The population is running far behind in the marathon of live and survival, not by choice necessarily, but in part because we were fools, and by ignorance of the relevant issues.
We need to keep the doors open to viable communication with the ones that know what the hell is going on. Because we sure don’t know exactly what, but that something very wrong is up.
So a third camp seems important, because one person is not enough, and that lonely star must gather a team and a camp.
Good luck.
Jones: as much sense as a third party makes, that candidate will be marginalized and prevented from participating in anything meaningful. The Republicrats have seen to it that only their mouthpieces will have attention paid to them. I don’t see it so much as resentment as an acknowledgement that the illegal laws in place will certainly discriminate against Dr. Paul and trivialize whatever he has to say.
Are you listening to Alex Jones at infowars.com ? He has been bringing these crimes to the public’s attention for many years and only recently have more people been awakening from their political comas, myself included. When you listen to what he has to say, you will learn just what the hell is going on and that it has been very well planned and has a goal that none of us want.
Hi, and thanks for the recommendation on the radio talk show. I have seen a few videos.
What is in the short list of critical barriers to a functional third party? I say that should give a focus to overcome that.
Media counts. Then drag the media to your side, with a profit for the people, too!.
It would be my approach in the field of politics, but I am no good politician in the standard way. And I gathered the courage to comment on sites like this because I am seeing major ‘booboos’ happening, and I can stand it, that all that has been worked for is going to trash. So I look at myself as the lady recycler, going from apparent trash to trash picking up the values tossed by the power.
WE will make it, but other stuff different from politics, will count, or should count.
Sorry have to go, thanks again.
The short list of issues for 3rd party candidates is..
-Each State has different rules for how and when in registering to get on the ballots that make it a very tough situation for the candidate.
-The 3rd party candidate is not invited to speak on national television in most instances.
-Third party candidates are not invited to debate on the networks in anyway with the other two parties or even with the other 3rd party candidates.
-The system is set up to not really allow a 3rd party to get anywhere in the presidential election.
I want to offer this video again because this has Congressman Paul explaining these same issues with running as a 3rd party candidate. He did run as a libertarian for president in the 80’s so he surely knows what he’s talking about. I’m not saying we can’t make a change to our system but it seems that the system is set up to only allow the two party jokers to be our only options.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXtEPKlJhak
I think he should run…but what makes you think that there will BE another election? WAKE UP AMERICA!
Jean, I think we may continue to have elections for some time but, as in past “elections”, those groomed for the puppet position in the NWO will be the more likely “winners”. However, I do not want to discount the possibility that enough people will wake up and take back this country and begin the long process of restoration of the republic. We certainly haven’t had any real elections in a long time, that’s for sure.
Jean:
Well said!!!!! Before the current Marxist administration loses its stranglehold on this country (2010 elections), which they will; “they” are going to “create” a crises, which I believe will
lead to martial law. As a former Marxist-Leninist, I know full well how they think and operate (”Never let a crises go to waste.” – Rahm Emanuel). It’s coming and people had better
prepare for it!
For sure; they’ve engineered many such events, the H1N1 “pandemic” was only the latest. It’s getting really ugly. Thanks for the insight.
Love Paul, but he has no way to win a nomination and an election. He is more valuable where he is.
Ron should run on libertarian party ticket!
It would be great to get a more austro-libertarian
grounding in the modern libertarian party.
Ron can provide this.
Maaaaaaaaannnnnnnny libertarians support Ron Paul.
Myself included.
Tom Burlingame
Ron Paul I’m sure you get thousands of emails/comments a day. Just in case you get this I would like to say. I’ve never been to interested in politics until I heard about you. When I heard about you running as president, for the first time in my life I decided to vote. Why? Because for the first time in my life I found someone running for president that shared my views.
That America is a country founded on freedom. I think that it’s important for America to get back on track and stop letting the government deal with lots of details that can be handled without its involvement. If you run again, for the second time in my life I will vote. Love ya man
You are my president, Dr. Paul. I wrote your name in on my ballot in Iowa in the last “election”; both of the choices presented were repulsive. I sincerely hope that you decide to run again and announce it early, instead of later. So many more people have awakened from their slumber and will be ready to support a man of integrity who really cares about this country and its people. If not you, then who?
Ron Paul is addressing the root cause of the US economic chaos, social break down, educational manipulation, constitutional evaporation and media mind control. When Ron gets nominated the revolution begins and at that time let the sleeping giant awake. The sleeping giant the controlled media deliberately ignores. The sleeping giant will come out and vote for something they felt has been lost for far to long. This is a legitimate American political effort to restore what the American revolution was originally fought for. Hope for freedom from economic slavery and fascist suppression. Hope for freedom from the high pressure unsustainable economics created by ludicrous monetary policies. Hope for the strength of the Union through the independence of its States.
We are at a critical stage as a civilization. The prejudice going on in secrecy would be hard for many average folk to handle. However, these complex problems were created by the same secretive forces that seek to solve them through secrecy. They must solve these problems because if they do not their ludicrous systems will self destruct, people will want answers and eventually will find the truth. This is why they own and control the mass media. This is why they manipulated US history curriculums. Because a population that knows the truth will not tolerate unconstitutional powers.
The only way they can get away with such unconstitutional secrecy is through the great amount of wealth they collect off the debts they own to the private sector, the US government and whatever other Nation they have in debt to them. Their power is simply the peoples faith in the currencies they have taken control of. They print it and we the people turn it into tangible technology, products and services then pay it back with interest and taxes regardless if the products and services are even needed. Thus the planet is being destroyed by the foolish greed of ludicrous monetary powers. You are force to work harder and longer to keep up with unnecessary competition and wasteful forced economic growth. Insanity. When we pay it back it is worth twice as much as it was when it was issued before interest and taxes. They take this income and buy the best technologies, politicians, scientist, professors, weapons, industries, natural resources and media too maintain their secretive power over the world.
However, make no mistake of it. We have got one big mess to clean up.
You are mixed up. There is nothing in the constitution about seperation of church and state. It says congress shall make no laws regarding church and state. In a private letter to the Danbury Baptists, Thomas Jefferson said roughly if you don’t stop saying there should be a wall of seperation between church and state people will believe it’s in the constitution. Read it some time. Don’t be spoon fed by the media for your sources. Read the 66 books of the bible. You will be better for it.
1st amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . .”
I’ve read the bible and I am better because of it. I still don’t believe that the bible tells me that I should judge others and call them sinners because they do things that are so wrong that I can label them as immoral or worse. I believe the greatest message from the bible is love and helping those in need. So in your opinion it is right for the federal government to make morals into law? Who’s morals should we start with and when do we decide it is enough? You have rights that are protected and you have the right to practice what you believe is moral but you don’t have the right to dictate your morals onto me. That is liberty!
And I blame the media for the mind control that is going on so you can rest assured that I get no information from them.
Mark: You’re right!!!!!!!!! There is nothing in the Constitution about separation of church and state.
Well, except the first amendment.
And then if not whose church should we allow to work hand in hand with our government? Some would say it is immoral for a woman to leave home without covering her head. Do we stop with morals as law before we get that far? As I’ve said and one of the reasons it is in the constitution; we all have slightly different beliefs about what is moral and what is immoral.
Mildearth,
You are right on target. The government shoud leave people alone unless they are adversely affecting other people.
Laws are the minimum standard for behavior. The problem is our morals have fallen to the level of the law. That is why we have people suing other people over getting burned by hot coffee etc. Stuff like that never used to happen in this country. We USED to have slightly different beliefs about what is immoral and moral. Now we don’t.
Ron Paul is a true American hero!
Sarah palin couldn’t hold ron Pauls jock strap and shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as Ron Paul!
So forget it!
that lady is a pure politician and a bilderberg puppet in grooming!
I think YOU BETTER YOUTUBE RON PAUL!
We love you RON, thanks for reminding us all about the truth and what a great president you will be!
RON PAUL 2012!
it’s not the end of the world it’s the end of the BS as we know it!
only truth can liberate the people!
Hear, hear!
Adam said that there already was a Constitution party, I thought that was so. Doesn’t Ron Paul like it? Has he answered this question already?
Congressman Paul does support the Constitution party but he’s explained during his last run that 3rd party candidates have many more obstacles to overcome when running for president and they don’t get any debate time on the networks with the regular two party candidates so that pretty much counts the 3rd parties out. This was his stance in the previous campaign and that may possibly change in 2012 depending on we the people. If there is enough of us that are saying we are going to do everything we can to work for Dr. Paul’s campaign should he run under a 3rd party or whatever party then he may entertain a different idea. We can only hope he runs again and I’ll be voting for him no matter what the party affiliation is. He is my President.
Yes, of course RP should run for President in 2012. No question in my mind. His voting record is impeccable–and one of only 2 or 3 people who consistently adhere to the Constitution in their votes. Ron Paul’s words reflect what he believes and how he votes. He is consistent because he is principled. Enough said! But I’ll relish it with: He’s a rare sane and intelligent gem in a sea of insane intelligence turned upside down and inside out in order to deceive.
2012 needs Ron Paul’s Truth, Intellectual Honesty and Integrity!
Whether he runs on a Republican or Independent ticket is a question well worth pondering. Loyalty, I believe is an honorable quality and his manner in handling the deplorable treatment he received from republicans only added to my admiration for his fortitude in a world where integrity is often diminished by advantage. In Ron Paul’s case, if he ran as an Independent, as current voter thinking is, it’s not unthinkable (as in past elections) in 2012 for RP to win as an Independent. I don’t believe anything but the 2 major parties and an Independent 3rd Party ticket would have a chance though. It is well worth pondering based on the realities and his own “thinking” as to party affiliation. It’s his adherence to the Constitution that matters to me and his stance on how to send the armed forces into harm’s way and his economic sense; and, it certainly would be nice to see a “statesman” in the presidential office–we certainly haven’t seen that commendable behavior for many a year!
Ron Paul must run in 2012 because I will be able to vote.
James said: “We must return to the strict interpretation of the Constitution.”
Know it is Ron Paul who we are backing and who he chooses to run with him.
I heartily suggest he start his own party, the Constitutionalist Party.
Fixing the corrupted Democrat or Republican parties is more wasted time.
Audit the Fed, get back to a money system that is based on tangible assets, put a stop to what the pharmacy industry is doing to us. Basically we need a smaller less intrusive government.
There already is a Constitution party.
A “strict Libertarian will turn off (and did) many Christians who do not agree with the Libertarian Party’s views on many moral issues. The idea that we should be “free to do anything we want” is not constitutional. Rather, we should be free to do what we ought. There is a huge difference. I think it is a little early for a decision on this. We must run someone (both Pres. and Vice-Pres.) who can get Hussein Obama out of office. We need to work to prevent an amnesty which will sell this country out to the Dems. The illegal aliens do not know or understand anything about freedom.
The government shouldn’t be governing morals. What you believe is moral and immoral is very different from what your neighbor might believe is moral. Many christians have different beliefs in what they think is moral and not as well depending on what sect you are a member of. You go to church or what have you to learn and be guided to practice your morals not to the federal government.
Yes the government should protect your rights and be working to protect your person but not protecting your morals. Have we forgotten a founding fathers moment? Separation of church and state?
Mildearth: The founding fathers acknowledged that their experiment in self-government could not work without a moral electorate. The lack of a moral electorate is why we have so many problems today and have to pass so many silly laws. Things that were taken for granted years ago because of accepted morality now need to be codified in statutes. What a sad situation we are in! Have you not seen the brutal gang rape of a California teenager while 20 to 30 students stood and watched and did nothing about it. Is it OK for people to stand by and watch because that is OK with their morals? Is it OK if they don’t report it because it is OK with their morals? If things continue like they are in this country we will become a scorched earth of immorality and certainly not a “Mildearth” like your name!
I choose to support MORAL candidates. You can support the scum if you want! However, don’t you realize that the need for auditing the Fed. is because of the moral problem of greed? The founding fathers wanted separation of church and state but NOT separation of church from state!!!!!! Don’t you see the difference?
If you think about it then you can see that rape is a crime that is against the law. They are attacking another person and making that person due against her will. That is against the law and surely immoral but can we kill off or stop all the evil in the world? And it is wrong for people to stand by and watch and not do anything but then was it me that was there? I live in a city that is not far from D.C. and I’ve had to jump in and break up fights where people were down and getting their heads kicked in by ignorant folks that think it’s okay to kick someone while they’re down. Sure there are people in this world that don’t act right but I bet some of them grew up in homes that were christian families and still they go out and do wrong.
Auditing the Fed has nothing to do with morals. Sure it has to do with greed but it has more to do with the wrongs they have possibly committed against the people and possibly against the law.
I will repeat my question. Who’s morals shall we start with when we start to decide that morality is law and when do we decide that enough is enough? And what stance is wrong of the libertarian party for the sake of moral correctness in your eyes?
Here is a quote for you from Madison, “practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government is essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.”
And I support Congressman Paul and I consider him to be the most moral and honest person in all of politics.
- Hmmmm?… “Auditing the Fed has nothing to do with morals.” When someone deliberately rob the people out of their money, Mildearth, and have done so for the better part of a century, that has nothing to do with morality? Sounds to me like you have a problem man!
- As for principles of morality, the Ten Commandments would work perfectly as a foundation… if “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” was scrapped together with the rest of all the “praise the lord” mumbo juumbo.
In fact, Mildearth, it is even simpler than that. Adopt and follow the “Golden Rule”. That would get the troupes home from all over the world, and those who sent them out there would all get a grenade stuffed up where the sun doesn’t shine. As for the owners and operators of The Fed, the correct treatment would probably be to stuff their fiat money up there.
Brandulph: well said! You can’t get much more immoral than robbing the populace blind and participating in the engineering of the new world order/government! Without OUR money, the immorality in our government would come to a screeching halt.
I agree about the importance of good morals and being moral but then to base laws through morals can go to far. I’ve been speaking out against the war in Iraq since before it happened for the same reasons so I think we are on the same page but then some folks would want to take the morality laws a little further overboard and that is what I question. Like to say it is immoral to use marijuana because it is against the law when in reality it is the law that is wrong in that instance. Another topic would be abortion and who’s morals are right or wrong in that case. If you believe in liberty then you have to understand that not everyone is going to agree with you about what is a personal right or what is morally right.
Again I do believe it is important to have morals but I don’t think it is the government that should be dictating morals. That is why you go to whatever church you go to and learn from those in your family. The golden rule has been something I’ve lived by and try to make others feel is the right way to live so I’m right on board with you there.
And the reason we are talking about morals here is because Anne commented that for most christians they wouldn’t vote for a strict libertarian because of many moral issues. I’m still curious about what moral issues are questionable about the libertarian stance of personal liberty? I’ve explained what I think one would be against and the reason why I think some morals are a bit to much for the government to be the dictator of. And just because a strict libertarian like Congressman Paul would say that the federal government shouldn’t dictate the laws on some things people would find immoral doesn’t mean he doesn’t think we shouldn’t teach the immorality of those issues and or allow the State government to restrict such topics. Then your voice could be easier heard if it was a State decide issue.
I’m sorry I missed my main thought about why I think some christians would be concerned about morals and the law and that is the idea of gay couples and gay marriage. And on that point I’d have to say that we should also be practicing the golden rule and treat others as you would want to be treated. We could also listen to a lesson from Jesus and learn that none of us should think we are the judge and we should keep our stones to ourselves.
Mildearth: To be a more moral society we will overturn Roe vs. Wade and promote a more religious society. That includes not smoking pot, cutting down on alcohol abuse etc. etc. We used to not allow alcohol sales on Sunday etc. but now we sell it 24 hours a day seven days a week. We used to have a very low divorce rate in this country. Now more people that get married get divorced than stay married. Why do you think we have been going down this slippery slope for the last 40 years? It is because we the people (the government) have decided that religion and morals aren’t important. What a sad situation! However, I believe there is hope! This can be reversed by We the People if We the People want to quit going down the slippery slope and decide to take the narrow road of righteousness. I am through preaching now.
Mildearth: You’re right on that one! We will let God throw the stones as he is the judge! However, if each of us repents then he won’t be throwing any stones at us mildearth and that is indeed “Good News”. (Sorry, I did say that I would stop preaching)
It would seem Lindsey that we would have to agree to disagree. Our government is a representation of we the people and not we ‘my’ people. There are many different religions that people practice in this country and even the christian religion has conflicts amongst the denominations about what is believed to be right and wrong.
This issue of marijuana is one I brought up because I am pro-legalization for at least medical use but I’ve done a fair amount of research to know the reasons it was made illegal and also the good side of what it can do for people. The plant doesn’t only have to be smoked to be used for medicinal purposes and it really has many other productive uses such as for food and paper and fuel. The first Model T car built by Henry Ford was made with the hemp plant and was built to be powered by hemp fuel. It was quickly changed by those that control the oil and chemical industry namely DuPont and their government connections because they like to have the monopoly for the sake of profit. You can power diesel engines now with hemp fuel as well and the plant is very easy to grow and as a source of paper and fuel can be grown easily without chemicals and is also good for the soil as it’s roots grow down and help to turn the soil when you harvest. We could also stop cutting down trees for paper and use the hemp plant and the refining process to make paper from hemp is much easier than the process required for making paper from trees. Another point on that is trees require hundreds of years to grow big and strong and the hemp plant requires a few months and then can be harvested and start all over again. If you think about it that would also allow farmers the opportunity for a new cash crop and then also allow industry for the refining of the plant into whatever you would want to make from it. It can also be used to make plastic which we currently use the by-products of oil to make plastic now so you can imagine it would be a safer plastic. I also want to point out that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights was written on hemp paper and that is one reason why the paper hasn’t degraded the way it would have if the paper was wood paper. So you can see the argument for legalization of the hemp plant and also marijuana is a good argument. We could also stop locking people up for minor crimes of possession of “pot” and then less people would have to go to jail and learn to live the hardened life of the real criminals that are more about violence. We could also take that product out of the hands of the criminals and put it in the hands of adults that would regulate it like we regulate other drugs and alcohol.
If you did your fair share of research about the hemp plant you may come to realize that the fact that it is illegal is really immoral and those that made sure to demonize the plant were doing so for the sake of profit and control. You could also know that the pharmaceutical business doesn’t want this plant legalized because then they’d have more competition that cannot be patented and controlled the way their chemically made drugs can be. Funny that they throw a lot of money to our bureaucrats as well.
And to Brandulph. I don’t think I have a problem. I see it as The Fed has possibly committed crimes against the people and yes we could say they were immoral in their actions but then we could say anyone is immoral in any number of actions. I prefer to look at it as they possibly broke the law and therefor could be found to be guilty of a crime and not guilty of being immoral. I could just as easily say it is immoral of you to say that I have a problem… I really don’t think that but it’s just that easy to call someone immoral.
Mildearth: “… to base laws through morals can go to far.” Hmmm… on what then?… if not the prevailing moral among the peoples?
And then to:”We will let God throw the stones as he is the judge!” Hmmm…in the ears of an old atheist from Norway (where an evangelic protestant state church exist, but where the vast majority of the population are agnostics or plain atheists), it is beyond comprehension to observe how often an evidently strong belief in a supernatural power is drawn into each and every discussion, conflict and argument in the US of A.
Objectivity perse can never be achieved in any discussion or conflict, unless personal belief in supernatural powers are totally banned as support for ones views.
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(And, by the way; the notion that “growing up in a Christian home” makes a person “better” in any way, than one growing up in a home free from the influence of religious dogmas, is of course absolutely absurd. American history ought to be ample proof of that… just like a fiat currency, with “In God We Trust” printed on it.
As for smoking pot,Mild earth” I’m far too old for taking a personal interest in that. However, I have met a few younger people who clearly have smoked their brains away on the stuff… living in their own reality. And, if that’s what a person wants and needs i order to escape the increasing madness around us, I thing they should be allowed the freedom to do just that. A decree that prohibits marijuana however, is not an answer. The 18th amendment to the Constitution of 1920 ought to be a solid lesson on that.
And finally I would like to tell you what my grandfather said to me as I hoisted sails for my first long singlehanded haul, as a very young man. (My grandpa had years on board windjammers behind him.)
-”When you face a real nasty storm son… never fall on your knees… never fold your hands praying for help… but hang on to that rudder… trust your wits and experience… ’cause if you don’t, you will surely loose your ship and you will go down with her… and, if you by all efforts do not bring her safely through the storm… if you do not reach a snug and safe harbor… you were simply not worthy of her command… you should then have stayed home.
I have sailed through many a storm in my life, both at sea and on land, and his advice has served me well, as it has my children.
Mildearth: Yes, we will agree to disagree although your argument for medical marijuana is convincing. I can see supporting it for that reason but no other. Also, my family grows crops but we won’t be growing any “weed” for sure as we don’t need any for medicinal purposes. (At least yet) To have it available for the mass market only promotes addiction and the problems that go along with it. We have enough addiction problems in our country now. We don’t need any more!
Brandulf: American Society is indeed different from yours. We’ll do our thing and I guess you’ll do yours. However, if you read the gospel and trust in Jesus Christ it will change your life! At least read it and think about it! Also, thanks for caring about the USA!
Sorry Lindsey but we would have to disagree on the addiction problem as well. It has been studied and shown that legality has no play in whether someone uses or not and those that want to smoke or use marijuana will find it whether it’s legal or not. Actually in areas where it is legal like in Amsterdam the use is less in comparison to the percentage of users in the States. The percentage of those that use it actually went up after it was outlawed by our government and then outlawing it puts it in the hands of criminals and gangs that go on and encourage people to use far worse drugs and then use illegal means to get those drugs. We can’t legislate morals on people but rather we can teach them what is right and what is wrong and hope that people make the right decision.
Most of my argument for legalization was actually for use outside of medicinal purposes though there is a strong argument for medicinal use as well. It helps people with MS, cancer and AIDS as well as menstrual cramps and basic pain relief. You seem to be ready to demonize this plant or be convinced that it is a bad plant and I feel that is based on what the government and our learning institutions have driven into our heads. They have mislead us about the facts of a good plant. Our government talks many times about being independent of foreign fuels and we could start to turn that page if we only used this plant that was given to us by the good Lord above.
I sincerely do believe that the laws we have now are based on good moral issues but as I’ve stated some peoples beliefs may be a bit overboard for what the government should be legislating. The most concerning to me and what I feel is the real issue for Anne and some christians is the issue of gay marriage or just gay rights in general. I’m not gay but as has been said here already I do believe that the strongest teachings of the bible and the ones that have helped me to live a proper life have been to treat others as you wish to be treated and don’t judge another unless you consider yourself to be perfect. In that we know we are all born sinners so there is not one of us that should be the judge in Gods eyes.
Anne Hach: WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!
This type of mindset is atrocious! Christians nor any other religious group nor any single group of people have a monopoly on knowing what is “good” let alone acting in a good manner. You mention “Hussein” like his first name has some significance. What does make a difference is that he is a Harvard Law graduate hand-picked to be the new puppet. You talk of illegal aliens; you are an illegal alien in the view of indigenous Indians who were summarily slaughtered to practical extinction by people who would call themselves Christians. If you want to be treated with respect then you have to start thinking magnanimously, not like a bigot and racist. We all discovered (if we were lucky enough to have the education and experiences for such analysis) as we grew up that mum and dad had faults and couldn’t do everything they said or make the world like we wanted. The same goes for presidents and vice-presidents, kings and queens, they are not going to be the mum and dad we had or wish we had or read about in some badly written fairy-tale. Wise up!
I already posted my thoughts earlier but I have to add something…I don’t know why any of you would think that Sarah Palin would be a good running mate for Ron Paul. She is the figurehead of all that is wrong with America right now: anti-intellectual, neoconservative and completely out of touch with what our Founding Fathers believed in — Dr. Paul needs a true libertarian as a running mate (socially liberal to attract Democratic voters, and fiscally conservative to attract Republicans) if he wants to be a viable candidate to mainstream voters — the r3volution is alive and well, but we must distinct ourselves from all elements of the current Republican Party if we really want to spread our message
Classical Liberal: Why do you think Sarah Palin is a Neocon? Also, I don’t think that setting up Ron Paul to run with a socially liberal candidate since he is very much anti-abortion.
Regardless if she is neocon or not it is still correct to say that she is a figurehead for what is wrong with who we have to vote for in the U.S. and she is surely anti-intellectual. That is not the type of person we should have as a leader and as a representative of our people. Congressman Paul has even pointed out that Palin is more in line with the country club republicans and not so much a part of the libertarian republican group. I really don’t understand why so many people think that Palin is a great representative when she went and quit her job as governor and really didn’t give any reason other than she felt she had a higher purpose. It does seem to me that after Fox news jumped on the Tea Party bandwagon and hijacked the platform as they did that many more have joined in understanding Congressman Paul and actually hearing what he says but they are still stuck in the mind control that that crappy news station offers.
He might also be anti-abortion but he also says that it is not the roll of the Federal government to dictate that law and so his view wouldn’t be what he would want to push on everyone else as it would seem Mrs. Palin is more about doing. As Congressman Paul says if you believe in liberty then you really have to believe in it and not just in your own personally liberties but the liberties of all people.
I think it would be pretty cool to see Congressman Kucinich as a running mate for Congressman Paul should he decide to run in 2012. I know that’s a long shot and they don’t agree on all things but then who of us does agree on all things?
We elected an intellectual in Mr. Obama! Is this who we want? Was the great Ronald Regan an intellectual? I think not! Palin’s and Regan’s “intellectual” background are nearly identical!
I must say that Mr. Regan had a few years on Mrs. Palin when he was elected to be President so I’d have to disagree with you on that for the sake of wisdom comes with age.
We must return to the strict interpretation of the Constitution. We must hold onto our money. We must foster a spirit of individual financial responsibility. We must have industry on this soil. The fire of American Patriotism need no longer be contained. Morality must play a key role in legislation.
Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God. I believe that Ron Paul has an honorable nature. I do not simply feel that I can trust him, I feel trust in him. He could very well be our last chance at a free Republic. I am not a rich man, but I will support him with what I have. God Bless Ron Paul and Long Live the Republic.
James: AMEN to your thoughts!
yes with Palan on a conservative / libertarian ticket.
I would support Ron Paul for President, but believe that he should run as an independent. The Democratic and Republican parties are compromised. Many are state they are voting for other parties in the future.
I’ve pointed out what Congressman Paul has said about this here already and now I’ll offer a video of what Congressman Paul says about running 3rd party. He has explained that each state has different rules for getting on the ballots and that you are cut out of the debates and really don’t have a chance in the system that we have now. Here it is right from his mouth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXtEPKlJhak