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Whhhaaaaatttt??? Really? No one!?!?! Why not google “Slave Labor China” after you google for your “worker protests China” Nate… Here are the first two examples I saw.

“They were sold ‘like cabbages’”
http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2008/05/01/china_probes_report_of_childrens_slave_labor/

“The next thing they knew they were being loaded onto a minibus with several other children and taken to a factory in the next province, where they were pressed into service making bricks.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/15/world/asia/15iht-china.4.6160781.html

“People move to the factories because it provides a life of more abundance and increases their purchasing power when compared to working the family farm.”

Again… Whaaaaattttt????!?! Are you rally saying all people have the choice of saying ‘Hmmm, i think i will give up on this farm I could own one day and go work in a factory!’

What if they didn’t have a farm? What if they had nothing and it was the only option? Why are you positing that ‘working in a factory was always a conscious decision because they knew that it would increase their purchasing power relative to working on a farm’?

And if the conditions that children, say, did toil in those factories during the industrial revolution were so awesome and willing, how come we NOW have child-labor laws, or hell, any labor laws at all? It sure wasn’t because the capitalists that owned the factories thought that labor laws were FANTASTIC. No, bad things did indeed happen to men, women and children in those factories. Your glaring omission of that side of history supports your slanted view.

With respect to free trade I do agree with you, but not this romanticized, revisionist version of history and misguided China’s labor laws you seem to espouse.

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The fact that you and your demigod Ron Paul are treasonous idiots is well documented. I’d only like to apologize to those who weary of my stating the obvious.

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No one uses slave labor or forces people to work in factories in China. No more than the people who worked in factories here during the Industrial Revolution were forced to leave their farms. People move to the factories because it provides a life of more abundance and increases their purchasing power when compared to working the family farm.

Workers in China protest all the time btw. Go ahead and google “worker protests China” for a slew of results.

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MoRon doesn’t like those agreements. Apparently he believes that if we take down all our tariffs, then every other government will stop protecting their countries financial interests too. MoRon is a moron, because even with these agreements, many of the countries we don’t protect our markets from do protect their markets, the Chinese being just one example.

If you love the Chinese so much, and you think their products are so great, the get the F out of this country! I’m sure they’d take you. There are remarkably few who try to get in to that hell hole. When you live there, you can find out about slave labor camps and how it is that Chinese factories are able to compel children to work on their crappy products. Apparently you and moRon think that is what makes for a fair and level playing field when it comes to international free trade. Personally, I like our system. I like the fact that we don’t use slave labor or force children to work in our factories. I like the fact that our laborers have the right to assemble and the right to protest poor working conditions, but then, I’m an American and you’re a traitor, so there’s a fundamental difference in perspective.

And if you can’t figure out how the Chinese putting our tire industry out of business can lead to us not being able to manufacture tires anymore, then you need a brain, and I’m sorry, I can’t give you one of those. I’m not the Wizard of Oz.

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Anyway, it is of no use attempting to speak with you. You have no interest in honest debate, and fall victim to nearly every logical fallacy ever described. Here’s a prime example of your nonsensical thought process: “They’ve (the Chinese) stolen all of our industries by dumping cheap crappy products on our markets for less than their cost to manufacture them”

Let’s leave aside the absurd notion that all Chinese products are cheap and crappy and focus only on the extremely embarrassing economic fallacy you state. How could the Chinese grow to an economic powerhouse if they are selling their products for “less than their cost to manufacture them”? How could they grow wealthy by operating at a constant loss?

Now you’ll probably say that you meant it costs less to manufacture the products in China than it does to manufacture them here and you’ll ramble on about how we need to protect “american jobs” and “american workers”. Have at it.

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Never, though, should Congress raise [tariffs] or limit the ability of individual Americans to engage in honest trade with foreign manufacturers. While the market may demand – through boycotts and similar activities – that trade cease, that should be left entirely to the market, not bureaucrats in Washington.

Free trade, not isolationism or subsidization, is the most moral of instruments between men. Engagement, not irrational fear or political paybacks, is the best force for bringing change to China and our relations with its people. – Ron Paul

Yes, we’ve really changed China. They’ve stolen all of our industries by dumping cheap crappy products on our markets for less than their cost to manufacture them. They’ve protected their markets while destroying our industrial might. They’ve bought our politicians, including and especially Ron Paul, as a way of propogandizing the out of work US voters. All this while they steal our technology via their spy networks and kill our kids and our sick with poisoned products. That’s some great change there.

Ron Paul says he’s all about the Constitution. Apparently the fact that the Constitution provided the federal government with tariffs as its primary means of raising revenue until the 16th amendment passed on February 3, 1913 means nothing to him. We dorked up the way the founding fathers meant for the federal government to be finanaced when we passed the 16th amendment and allowed them to tax individuals, which, I agree with Ron Paul here, was stupid. Now who do you think has more clout with our federal government, the individual US taxpayer, or foreign governmnents? They bought Ron Paul easily enough. Either that or he’s their useful idiot. Either way, he’s of no use to any REAL AMERICAN.

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