103 responses to “Ron Paul on Larry King: Investigate the Causes of Terrorism”

  1. Jeff Warner

    I was one of the many people who was initially fooled by the Obama campaign. The power brokers behind the military industrial complex are masters of deception. Their mainstream media messages are designed to both convince and confuse. BUT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE are WAKING UP to the truth of Ron Paul’s message. Anyone who reads the superb bookEnd the Fed” will understand what a mess we’re in. BUT it’s possible to get out of this if more people just tell others and continue to spread the word (EVERY DAY – your actions matter) about the “New World Order” plans (look up on youtube). They have the money and the power, but WE have the numbers and, more importantly, the truth. A small speck of truth can LIGHT a dark room far better than all the evil mainstream propoganda. People are no longer accepting lies. WE WILL OVERCOME. WE, THE PEOPLE, are going to reclaim this great land. Truth always wins.

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  2. jones

    I don’t know about you, but I think people have had enough of all this ‘waking up’ and web talk. By now even those that listen to the standard media KNOW there are many things wrong going on. And the situation can’t wait too much longer as it is. For the simple reason that we all know there are plenty of resources available and a lot of them are being misused.

    On top of that globalization is going while most people are being restricted to where they are, limited in traveling by crimes that make no sense, subjected to harassment by any creative means, and with a strong defense budget and personnel of all kinds involved in security and defense that shows to be not doing the job: by the results that people are limited while the people ‘in charge’ CAN MOVE WITH NO PROBLEM AT ALL.

    That is unusual and IT STANDS out. And it leads people to conclude that is what is being sought. And we neither like,nor can no longer sustain it.

    We just won’t give to the ruling power our kids to be manipulated, if they hope to fix the economy with the new generations they have to figure out quickly that they are being damaged by the same solutions that have been implemented.

    It is time to solve the problems, and it all starts by allowing people to move, think and work.

    WE can not wait three more years to elect some other people that look and say good and intelligent things for then follow the same trend.

    Let’s start NOW: who wants to join in the new year resolution?

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    1. jones

      WE DON’T ACCEPT MIND CONTROL

      or behavioral manipulations imposed onto people without knowledge or consent. Either way, down or up.

      or any chip implantation, anywhere in the body or mind even with any open disclosure of what it is, or further remote control idea of mass manipulation. Is simple the reason: safety in every aspect.

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      1. jones

        Now, president Obama should not be blamed for the situation, but he will if things continue the same way, and we all know any one else that follows will too. Though each one of us realizes that is a cumulative effect.

        It is clear that if you invest in war economy the war have to keep at the center of it to maintain the flow of money, WHICH IS BLOOD-STAINED MONEY.

        If research money is mainly funded for weapons there will be such high number available that their use HAS TO BE JUSTIFIED, used on even your own population?

        If there is money flowing toward major corporations, by any creative lies and laws, they will hold the power tighter and tighter, and become so massive that crash by inefficiency, just like a massive government infrastructure. It is actually an observable natural law that goes across many species.

        Important science was accomplished last century. What have you done with it? are you waiting to use it in space?

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  3. Bottomline

    I couldn’t agree more Ariel! Maybe it has something to do with our involvement in Iraq & Afghanistan is why Al Qaida is soo upset!

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  4. Ariel

    Ron Paul was asking the “Why?”. “Why are the terriorist upset with up?” Not, “Why defend Yemen?” and that’s where the confussion happened. Does anyone agree with me?

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    1. Ray

      Ron Paul has a very good knowledge of the history of the CIA’s deliberate attacks on the inner workings of sovereign nations. Iran is a perfect example.
      In 1953, Britain was not able to convince the Democratically elected leader of Iran to sell Britain cheap oil at a price that Britain believed they were entitled to purchase it for. The leader of Iran chose instead, to sell his nations oil at a profit. Well this pi$$ed the British government off so they came whining to the American government, asking that they help Britain remove this democratically elected leader of Iran….(And the U,S Government illegally did just exactly that). Britain and the U,S governments got together and orchestrated a coup which overthrew the Democratically elected leader of Iran and then together,(they) put the unelected Shaw of Iran in power in Iran. The Shaw of Iran ruled for 26 years with an iron fist and he brutalized anyone who didn’t lick his feet. Shortly before the people of Iran removed his pathetic, Hitler type a$$$ from their territory in 1979,the United states and Britain authorized France to build and set up the only Nuclear production reactor that Iran has ever had. A few months after it’s completion, the Iranian people removed the brutal bastard that the U,S and Britain forced upon their people. They then cut off most dealings with the United states and Britain. Now, the U,S and Britain are once again trying to convince the world that Iran needs to be attacked. Why? Well it has to do with the fact Iran refuses to sell their oil at a price that the U,S and Britain want to pay. It also has as much to do with the fact that Iran’s leaders are now in control of the Nuclear production plant that the U,S and British governments authorized them to have back in the late 1970′s. Just goes to show you that if you don’t allow the U,S and British governments to control your lives, your future, and your assets, they will look for ways to butcher your people, steal your assets and replace your democratically elected leaders with vicious butchers who will lock you up, torture you and kill you at the drop of a hat.
      That is unfortunately, the U,S and British governments idea of Democracy.

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    2. John

      We should also acknowledge the fact that the United States government had Saddam Hussein on their payroll as a paid assassin back in the late 1950′s and 1960′s. The united states government found the opportunity to have the Iraqi leadership removed from power by putting saddam in a position where he could seize power. This allowed the U,S to install the puppet Saddam as the leader of Iraq. The first thing that Saddam did was call his cabinet ministers together for a meeting. He had someone read from a list, all of the names of cabinet members who disagreed with his policies. Those members were immediately removed from the chamber. They were marched out into the courtyard and executed within earshot of the rest of the cabinet members and the reading of those names and removal of those people was filmed for the whole world to see. Saddam was now the big man and Donald Rumsfeld flew his happy a$$$$ to Iraq to congratulate him. When Saddam illegally attacked Iran in a war that he very quickly began to lose, guess who ran to Saddams aid with weapons of mass destruction and helped Saddamn butcher the Iranians as well as his own Kurdish people? Yup, you guessed it. The good ol socialist USA. SO ONCE AGAIN THE UNITED STATES SUPPORTED AN ILLEGAL WAR AGAINST IRAN. And, if that isn’t bad enough, they have been trying to garner support to do it again. But this time, they will launch the next war against Iran from the nine bases that the united states has illegally built in the nation of Iraq.
      The truth about Saddam and the U,S-British connection can be found on youtube. It just takes a little research and the willingness to do so. This will get you started.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyhTI7ZpnlE&feature=fvw

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  5. I. Hrusovsky

    Well here we go again, Ron Paul talks about a non-interventionist foreign policy and right away he’s labelled an anti-semite. The irony here is that By labelling Ron Paul an anti-semite Mr. Stein publically exposed the real motives behind the many American led Middle East military campaigns to the world. They are for all intention purposes Jewish wars using America as a proxy to eliminate all the so-called “major threats” to Israeli hegemony in the M.E. Non-intervention in the M.E. would mean no more financial, military, or moral support for that Artificially created Rogue Fascist State called Isra-Hell. When that Zionazi, high paying memeber of La Kosher Nostra (Benny-no intelligence allowed Stein) opened his big stupid mouth to Demonize Ron Paul, he essentially showed to the public where his loyalties lie.

    PS. I would recommend Mr. Stein & his Zionist Kin-Folk would best serve the world (and America)if they just flushed themselves down the Al-Qaeda. Cheers.

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    1. ConsidertheFollowing

      Indeed. And consider the following…

      http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/02/world/asia/02korea.html

      Korea is extending an olive branch to the USA and there has been no major terrorism attacks from them in ages, because we got the hell out of their country.

      Just maybe, these Jewish/Religious Zionists are doing something completely stupid and pointless that benefits nobody but some nasty banker’s checking account. This is idiocy.

      Our foreign policy is complete nonsense run by insane convicts.

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      1. Ray

        Yes our foreign policy is nonsense. Unfortunately we will stay in Iraq forever. The United states government, along with the Israeli and British governments are absolutely going to illegally start a major war with Iran and they will launch that war from Israel and Iraq.
        Then, WWIII will most likely begin. But, rest assured that most people are expendable. The worlds major powers will be safely hiding deep underground in well stocked, well built underground bases. (But you and your families will not be invited to join them).

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    2. nice chatting

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  6. Hey Zuez

    Ron Paul believes that noninterventionism and honoring the sovereignty of nations is the most hopeful road to peace. Ben Stein and his brigade of neocon armchair warriors think that “superpowers” or “the world’s only superpower” should be able to buy or bomb other nations leaders, according to its needs. That is, if they aren’t nuked up. Ron Paul doesn’t see the intervention as necessary or just, so naturally its repercussions are also unnecessary.

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  7. Nate

    Ben Stein is a disgrace.

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  8. EcologyProfessor

    Sayyid is a patsy designed by the evil forces which run our mainstream financial sector. We see terrorists like this not even get caught, within the society we now live.

    http://rawstory.com/2009/12/judge-drops-charges-blackwater-guards-accused-massacre/

    Eliminate the heart of the cancer and tear down the banking monstrosity, shoot it out and kill it, and Sayyid and the rest will blow away into so much dust you will never find the pieces.

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  9. LD

    Most of the people the terrorists are murdering today, are their own people in the Middle East. Will Iraq continue to be a hotbed for terrorism if we leave now? Yes, the Iraqis think so too. Terrorists are not picky as to who they kill, as long as they accomplish their agenda, which equates to tyranny.

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    1. EcologyProfessor

      “Will Iraq continue to be a hotbed for terrorism if we leave now?”

      The answer to this question is examine history. After we left occupation during the Gulf War, did Iraq continue to be a hotbed for ‘terrorism’ as its called?

      Well, besides a few fringe radical groups it seemed to calm down overall until Soddom Hussein decided to start a civil war. And to tell you the truth, the civil war had nothing to do with any of us in the USA. We should have let them sort it out like we did Korea and watch how much calmer it would have gotten.

      The problem is, when someone says we have ‘left’ a country that does not really mean we left. Our own CIA stays inside these countries like Iraq long after the army is gone, or other mercenaries stick around to cause all kinds of trouble.

      But in general with nations where we have no presence to speak of, such as Madagascar, we basically see no threats or radical groups of terrorists on our borders.

      It is when we get involved too much, and fall asleep to what our own CIA & rogues are doing in foreign countries….where the trouble always starts. This is not a winner takes all game.

      This takes a delicate balancing act of knowing when to be involved with foreign nations and when to stay out of it. That’s Ron Paul’s real message.

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      1. LD

        I take it you don’t consider Saddom Hussein as a tyrant then.

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        1. EcologyProfessor

          Oh no, he is a tyrant. It is just whether or not that is worth taking over the country. These are all vital factors to consider.

          I would weigh the issue carefully like Ron Paul does, and decide if necessary, to have a covert team go in there and kill him off so there is no further wars from Soddom’s angle.

          The civil war in Iraq was going to happen regardless if we were there or not, but usually its less messy when we stay out of the way as the middle man.

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      2. matt

        You consider Korea to be ‘calmer’ now? Interesting perspective. Maybe if a nuke-wielding North Korea were north of you, you perspective might be quite different than this lazy ‘ah yeah, things just work out, it is gods will’.

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        1. ConsidertheFollowing

          He does not “consider” anything, he has proof that North Korea is a lot calmer now since we stopped interfering. It took a while and there are civil wars, but it worked.

          Terrorist attacks are no longer going on from Koreans or Korean military mercenaries and North Korea has sought good relations with our country.
          http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/02/world/asia/02korea.html

          If only every politician had an ounce of the intelligence and candor that Ron Paul has, we never would be as far off track as we are today!

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  10. Mattisthefool

    Matt, let me get this straight. You are implying that because certain people are pathological and dangerous, they should be kept away from ALL of society without us finding out the root motivations or causes for what they do.

    That is what we’re expected to believe….right? Gee, in the real world we call that paranoid isolationism. Some might even call it delusional. So Matt if that’s absolutely undeniably your world, maybe we should all drop you off at the next mariners cargo dock before they take off from port, would that not be just perfect?

    See, the truth is we can learn literally nothing from your babbling about conspiracy theories. Some of us believe 9-11 is probably an inside job, and that’s perfectly fine, there is evidence to support those theories. Some may believe none of that could have happened, that is perfectly alright since there is a lot of evidence to support the theory that Arabs attacked New York City.

    But underneath all of it, we genuinely want to understand what motivates terrorism and what the cause might be when the rubber meets the road. And one of those has already been proven, it is partially caused by our own armed forces meddling in the foreign affairs of other nations in an inappropriate way.

    Think about it Matt, this is not rocket science. Our armed forces are in Yemen, random terrorists attack us who both hate our presence and are pathologically insane. Our armed forces are nowhere within the country of Bangladesh and Papa New Guinea, do we see a mass onslaught of terrorism from either of these countries? Any incidents of cubans or bangladesh suicide groups attacking us?

    Furthermore, is there any outside evidence of any sort of attacks at all from these places? Our troops are not in greenland, have we ever gotten attacked by irate and angry icelanders? Again, besides a criminal here and there….nothing!

    But lo and behold, our troops are stationed in Somalia, they are still in Saudi Arabia, they are stationed in Israel, they are in Pakistan and Yemen, and even in the nation of Japan…..and we have seen various terrorist attacks of each shape and size coming from people who live in those countries!!

    Gasp, so Ron Paul is no senile old man after all as he actually knows every single detail that he is talking about with respect to these outsiders. He is laying on some good old common sense, with a thick sense of scholarly expertise that most of our politicians could not give a care about.

    Ron Paul contrary to anything you suggest, is thinking in terms of the bigger picture as to what the root causes of terrorism are within official society. The poor get ripped to shreds by the rich, there is a lot of crime and inequality clearly evident in nations including Yemen, and our own U.S. military do not exactly make everyone feel as welcome as your nephew assumes from that child’s coloring book.

    This, along with taking over their banking infrastructure and merging it into our own via fiat currency trading….could go a long ways to explaining the hostilities any of them feel as well as their actions of outright violence.

    The psychology of Ron Paul goes like this: You run into my town and start bombing my schools, my way of life as well as my job, you would naturally expect me to be incredibly upset and strike back with total anarchy.

    No, it is not as simple as punching someone in the face. You are not being punched in the face when some lone criminal hijacks and aircraft and blows up a 7-11 store Matt, that is more like being scratched on the arm.

    Being punched in the face is closer to what your brother already did to the guy by stealing his car, violating his wife, and stealing his paycheck through brute force. In this case the brother is the USA’s own CIA and armed mercenaries, whom blew Yemen to smithereens & incinerated thousands of people, destroyed their dwellings and continued to rip apart the economy of the country. You see what you missed, is big brother has been doing that in Yemen for years and the air strike was nothing at all but the news deciding to cover the main event.

    Our intent however so well meaning, does not ever turn out that way when it comes to overseas misadventures in Yemen, Belize, Russia, Azerbaijan or anywhere else where we have a full time military presence. The countries we do not occupy seem to for the most part forget we exist, they don’t bother us. Yet the countries we do occupy always seem to bother us, always seem to attack. Now I could just be seeing things, but I don’t think that’s coincidence.

    In the end Ron Paul proved what is merely Thomas Paine’s book of common sense. It’s easy to see what the root causes of terrorism are, since it is within the eye of your beholder. We all impact how terrorism manifests itself, no matter how much we detach ourselves from its horrors. We do things that anger people, and then angry people who already hate us, retaliate and mutilate. Often they also mutilate for no reason, even the innocent. But given that it does not always happen with the same candor, we must have something to do with setting off that trigger of reaction that we simply just try to deny.

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    1. matt

      Please save me your purported monopoly on altruistic and transparent spiritual knowledge of intentions. When you name yourself something blatantly disrespectful as ‘mattisafool’ it rings hollow.

      This is not a strawman, you allotted youself these prescient powers, and I find it curious that you apply your patience to terrorists while immediately discounting the opinions/proof of your countrymen.

      You make your choices, just don’t delude yourself on their altruism.

      So, how about ALL of those countries that we DO have bases in where WE ARE NOT FACING TERRORISM? By your logic, shouldn’t ALL of those states also be summarily attacking the US because we are there?

      I mean you confused me, we have bases in like 170 countries, and how many actively breed terrorists? And primarily located where?

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      1. O. Snap

        Al-CIA-da is supposedly in 60 countries. This is just one group.
        In how many of those countries should we be wreaking havoc?

        There is no endgame to chasing boogymen with batallions.

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  11. Lindsey

    Ben Stein played the “Anti-Semite” card just like some black Americans play the “Race” card. (Although black Americans don’t play it much any more and I applaud them for that.) Stein is an idiot and an obvious racist himself. My thanks to Sheila Jackson and Ron Paul for a civilized and non-racist discussion! God Bless the USA!!!!!

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  12. JDeuce

    If you want to know the cause of modern day terrorism, the answer does not lie in the suicide bombers, they are merely pawns. Instead look back at history of mass murderers, it requires a particular mindset. Real terrorists, the ones calling the shots, don’t choose to blow themselves up. The real cause of modern day terrorism is extreme bigotry. Prejudice is not just skin color. Some people can not stand others that don’t think like them. And if they can not force others to think like them, then their solution is to kill them. It is tyranny at it’s core. Such people are attracted to certain ideologies. Because democracy exists in this world, bigotry has disguised itself as terrorism, it is not politically correct to be a bigot. Just as racism has evolved to be less obvious, so has other forms of bigotry.

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    1. EcologyProfessor

      If by bigots you mean wealthy banking financiers and zionists, I do say we are in full agreement. I never realized how metastasized this corruption is until I went for a full top-to-bottom investigation of Wall Street and industrial banking.

      Indeed, the very nature of Banking in today’s capitalist golden age seems to be the definition of terrorism. In order to permanently seize their gains, they do currency trade according to a set of depreciation principles.

      While it looks like your first set of money must go up, what actually happens behind the scenes is they borrow or loan out that much money to be paid as debt – so it goes down! This debt is what you call the actual money, or Reserve Notes as most called them. The debt is then traded again between other countries, so that its value is depreciated further rather than built back up through savings or deflation. Oddly enough, this particular type of banking system does not inflate the value of money it only inflates the supply. Thus when you are able to inflate the supply to infinity using fiat money which is serviced as physical debt, it would stand to reason that you do not have real wealth, what you have is mountains and mountains of debt in the form of currency.

      Then what are we doing in China and in the Netherlands for that matter? How are we helping them again, by making them adopt this kind of fiat trading system and selling drugs?

      Care to answer, this is a challenge for anyone?

      Well if we are not helping at all, then what in the god’s graces are we doing to begin with?

      It appears that this fiat lite operation of currency trade is direct fraud, and in any court you could prove that its operation is done under the rules of fraud.

      It’s a very large-scale world of fraud to be sure if that is truly the basis of our most common currency system. But inflation increases the burden on the taxpayer, rather than the banker. That must mean it was on purpose. This completely fraud based currency system was designed to maliciously force others to give everything to the bankers, clearly not accumulate their own wages apart from the bankers.

      These individuals you speak of must be the most clever, racist downright evil men to concoct a currency system that is backed by as much direct theft as this one is.

      Only devious individuals could possibly see any benefit from such a system. If there is a big bad, then indeed I have seen enough to conclude the evil in society seems to stem from these groups of zionist bankers. When I witnessed what a Jewish man went through, at the hands of Zionists as they beat him mercilessly while a false christian laughed and looked on…..I knew then that what I must be examining is the devil among men.

      The Federal Reserve System is a treasonous lie, my good man. And all its criminals must be dealt with or we shall never have a free society, that I promise.

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      1. JDeuce

        Like many others I share Ron Paul’s concern about our financial system. But if we are talking about terrorism, which is really mass murder, I see that as a threat to democracy itself.

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        1. EcologyProfessor

          Indeed. Terrorism is both Islamic, Zionist, and barbarian. It comes in all forms of bigotry. But the source of terrorism seems to come in the form of modern banking.

          Oddly enough, if one was eliminated entirely the other meaning common terrorism may go back to being nothing more than criminals who must be dealt with rather than whole movements of fanatics. Seems the two go together.

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  13. sean

    Everyone here is so ignorant. I guess nobody has heard of Sayyid Qutb or know anything about his work or influence. This is such a rebellious group of young uneducated anarchists.

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    1. jim

      Hello Sean

      To be completely honest Sean I have never heard of Sayyid Quib. You are completely right; I am an ignorant on this topic. Did you know that Socrates said he was the wisest man in Athens because, “As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.”? I am not saying that I know nothing, of couse I’m not the wisest man on the planet and we all know that Socrates was being facetious. But because someone is ignorant on a topic, it is a fallacy to imply they lack wisdom. Knowing nothing at least implies one does not have incorrect preconceived notions. Simply put they are not mistaken.

      You have assumed that everyone on this site is an anarchist. Although I am not sure, I believe you made such an inference because there are many laws, positions,departments, and institutions that people here would like to abolish. This is very consistent with the views of an ancharist. An ancharist wishes to abolish all goverment. However, the people here do not wish to see all goverment disappear. We want limited goverment, which means that the goverment is permited to do certain things. The goverment should insure a national defence, contracts are honoured, and a sound dollar. This would be accomplished by following a constitution agreed upon by the people, which would be very limited in scope and therefore curtail the power and influence they try to impose on our personal liberty. These positions are held libertarians.(Our liberty includes the right to our lives and the fruit of our labours.) This idea of a ratified constitution of course is also inconsistent with an ancharist. An archarist does not believe in a social system of voluntary co-operation.

      Would leaning about Sayyid Qutb help sway from libertarism? I look forward to a reply. I’m actually reading about the Dahli lama right now. He believes the foundation of our lives should be the pursuit of happiness. To do this one must live a life of compassion. Therefore, I wish you a good day Sean, take care.

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      1. sean

        You should learn about sayyid qutb if you want to understand the philosophy of the radical Islamits.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XmPJhurB0k

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        1. jim

          You too Sean, thanks for the vid. I’ll check it out. I’m trying not to be opinated because that’s never healthy to a conversation. I just happen to believe most Islamists are not radicals. And the constant bombing the middle east has been under(such as Iraq) for the past decade incites hatred. Once people are motivated by angry they look to strike back. This leads many people to side with the radicals. That’s when the philosophy becomes important. Because then you have motivated angry people listening to a dangerous philosophy. Remove the incentive (war) and I believe the radicals have much fewer people listening to them. That still will leave a few crazies but we will never totally eliminate those kind of people. Even the west has fundamentalits in christianity. People that reject evolution, think the world is only 4000 years, and only a select few make it into heaven are dangerous too. These are just my opinions and I am a christian (catholic) though not a fundamentalist. Take care, Jim.

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      2. Nate Y

        I used to hold almost this exact same view. However I am being ever more prodded down the road to anarchy.

        “An archarist does not believe in a social system of voluntary co-operation.”

        Actually, a social system of voluntary co-operation is precisely what an anarchist believes in. Since the State doesn’t exsist under anarchy, the only social system available is that of voluntary co-operation.

        An interesting discussion on this very topic was recently had on mises.org. I still straddle the fence. Anyway, check it out.

        Classical Liberalism vs. Anarcho-Capitalism

        http://blog.mises.org/archives/010927.asp

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        1. jim

          Sorry if I got that wrong Nate. I knew of course that an anarchist didn’t believe in goverment. I checked out a definition on the internet because I didn’t know what else it entailed. It actually said anarchists don’t believe in voluntary co-operation. i thougt this was because an anarchist wouldn’t want to beholden to any group that might start a goverment. I don’t know enough about this topic, maybe the definition was wrong. I’ll check out your video. Thanks alot.

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          1. Nate Y

            Jim,

            Anarchists do believe in government. There are different sources of government. What anarchists do reject is the State. The rejection of the State is a logical conclusion of the non-aggression principle.

            Wiki isn’t my favorite source but they do a decent job with this…

            “Anarchists are those who advocate the absence of the state, arguing that common sense would allow people to come together in agreement to form a functional society allowing for the participants to freely develop their own sense of morality, ethics or principled behaviour. The rise of anarchism as a philosophical movement occurred in the mid 19th century, with its idea of freedom as being based upon political and economic self-rule. This occurred alongside the rise of the nation-state and large-scale industrial state capitalism or state-sponsored corporatism, and the political corruption that came with their successes.

            The word “anarchy” is often used by non-anarchists as a pejorative term, intended to connote a lack of control and a negatively chaotic environment. However, anarchists still argue that anarchy does not imply nihilism, anomie, or the total absence of rules, but rather an anti-statist society that is based on the spontaneous order of free individuals in autonomous communities.”

            You say you’re reading a book about the Dali Lama. I’ve read some buddhist texts. I find the similarities between buddhism and anarchism to be striking.

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          2. EcologyProfessor

            Anarchists come to exist in societies that no longer practice what they preach or in other words: the law

            http://rawstory.com/2009/12/judge-drops-charges-blackwater-guards-accused-massacre/

            Does anyone know why mass murdering terrorists like these are allowed to be free, not locked up or shot where they belong?

            They are no better than Jundullah and we know what motivates each set of terrorists here.

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      3. EcologyProfessor

        Sayyid Qutb is a perfect example of another patsy, a “boogey man” created by the zionist security state whom roam free and commit mass murder upon instant command: they just don’t get caught.

        http://rawstory.com/2009/12/judge-drops-charges-blackwater-guards-accused-massacre/

        These, not just sayyid are all terrorists. We don’t need any laws to get rid of these monsters. What we need is for americans to be fully armed and ready, to take down each of them one by one or you have no freedom.

        Listen to me loud and clear, America has not been free since the creation of the industrial banking empire.

        Sayyid and the rest are merely the tools of this machine. Tear down the ugly machine of the Federal Reserve, you can forget about the patsies like Sayyid. They will all be wiped out in the rest of the attack.

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        1. jim

          That was informative. Thanks, Nate.

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    2. longshotlouie

      May you and your large head have a blessed new year.

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    3. SS

      ” ….. please, take more of our privacy away; monitor more of our communications; ban more of us from flying; engage in rituals to create the illusion of Strength; imprison more people without charges; take more and more control and power so you can Keep Us Safe.”

      http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/01/02/fear/index.html

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  14. nice chatting

    The subject for analysis was: the causes of terrorism.

    I say it is a very good question, and if the true cause or origin of terrorism is nailed there are better chances to develop the world in the wanted direction for most people.

    A list of causes is worth developing and working in a realistic way to correct. Just to preserve what is already developed for good.

    Terrorism as an industry, big bussines and bases for the economy of the world is the worst choice given to the population and the worst ‘innovation’ ever put in place.

    People make mistakes, errors happen and people learn from them, but enjoying terrorism and profiting from it is pathological, ill, dangerous, has long term consequences. Yet it should be doable finding out the causes of terrorism.

    Maybe terrorism is the resulting evolution of wars, economy and science mainly tailored to weaponery. People are now addicted to all that. And is kindof coward to blame religous belief for that.

    What came first, the chicken or the egg?

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  15. matt

    I say ron paul actually practices what he preaches – and gives his house back to Mexico.

    After all isn’t the ‘home’ he is talking about simply the result of a military slaughter (or victory depending on the parlance) and occupation?

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    1. longshotlouie

      Wow, The Incredible Shrinking Matt

      What are you scraping since the bottom of the barrel is gone?

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  16. JDeuce

    I think some of you Ron Paul supporters dislike the government so much, you can no longer think straight. The government is not perfect, neither are companies, it’s easy to blame but in real life things are not as simple as a politician make it sound. Mass murder of innocents (aka terrorism) has no valid justification; it requires a made up one. If you think there can be a valid justification for mass murder, then I am sorry, something is wrong with you.

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    1. longshotlouie

      The subject was causation. Where did you see this supposed justification?

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  17. John

    I think you were very brave Ron to talk about this issue on Larry King Live. I know that most of the people especially the elected officials will think twice before making a statement like yours. Unfortunately we have sold ourselves to special interest groups and now they control everything including what we say on TV.

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  18. Paul C. Jess

    I certainly DO, Paul! Pardon my French, but Stein is an asshole – “we must defend the Yemeni government, our friend.”

    Fundamentally, there ain’t no Yemeni government. There are tribal leaders in the broken-down desert town, Sana’a, that call them themselves the government, but the country has been fundamentally ungovernable since the British left not long after the end of WW2.

    It is a tribal culture and the tribes can’t agree on anything except that it is always goddamn hot! Yemen is currently the most poverty-stricken country outside of Africa. It is a sand-pile with the occasional watering-hole with two or three palm trees, about a day’s journey apart if you have a young, hurrying, desperately thirsty camel.

    The region that now calls itself the Republic of Yemen was an artificial construct of the British Government after the defeat of the Turkish Empire in WW1. The tribal leaders still have border issues with Saudi Arabia, and if I have my facts straight, there is still violence and killing going on over that issue right now. While such regions were part of the Turkish Empire they remained simply wide open desert regions inhabited by various nomadic tribes who accepted the overall sovereignty of the Turkish Caliph. The endless struggle that is going on the entire Middle Eastern region is party brought on by the fact that many majority Muslim Arabs want to return to a Caliphate form of government, a governmental system that was and is very similar to the former European Holy Roman Empire in which the Pope in Rome was the ultimate spiritual head of government and the various Kings, Princes, and Dukes ruled their regions with the Pope’s official consent.

    My memory is getting hazy, but my recollection is that when the British left, the Yemeni region actually broke into two, possibly 3 different tribal regions, with the north (including Sana’a) being financed by the CIA and British Intelligence, and and the southern end of the sand-pile (including the former Royal Navy re-fueling station at Aden) ending up in the hands of tribal folks who passed themselves off as Communists, and who were probably getting a monthly allowance from the Soviet KBG.

    The struggle between our client state and the KGB’s client state went on for years but finally petered out some years ago, what government there is, is now centered in Sana’a, but there is still an ongoing struggle to come out on top of the tribal heap.

    The folly continues, and it makes me ill! The Turkish Caliphate – which stretched all the way from Istambul, across North Africa to the Atlantic – thrived for some 500 years, and if the stupidity of our government is any guide, we can expect that a minimum of 25 generations of sad-sack American citizens will pay the price of our government’s blind and brain-damaged folly, endless terrorist acts or worse, until the American Empire collapses into irrelevance about the year 2508. Only 499 years to go!

    E.

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  19. JDeuce

    Should we accept murder as a universal policy? That’s really what terrorism is. Terriorism is a foreign policy. It is also a domestic policy. It’s a policy to get people to submit via fear. In reality they have no qualms killing innocents east west north or south. Alibis from mass murderers should be taken with a grain of salt. Why are people surprised that terriosts say they don’t like our foreign policy? Even with domestic policy, we have ardent opponents, that’s just the way democracy works. They know that. But if mass murder is their acceptable policy, should we really be listening to them?

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    1. matt

      And again, just to preface, all of a sudden it appears when ron paul gets punched in the mouth he… Blames himself? The framers had something about a ball o democracy that would (should?) Roll around the world. Google ‘ball of democrcacy’ I believe it was thomas jefferson :)

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  20. Michael Sherrod

    I’m sorry, Mr. Paul, but the reason Muslims commit terrorist attacks throughout the world is NOT because the United States is in the Middle East nor is it because Israel gets aid from the U.S.. Were you to actually do some historical research on Islam, you would discover that beginning in the 7th century and continuing to the present day, Muslims who follow the teachings of the Koran, the hadiths and the sura are required to compel all, and I mean ALL, non-muslims to submit to their ideology or die. Pointing at the United States and Israel as “occupiers” is so far off the mark as to be ludicrous. Prior to 1948, there was no “Palestine” insofar as a government was concerned. Moreover, if the Middle Eastern countries that justify their violent attacks on others based upon some misguided notion that the “Palestinians” should have an autonomous country of their own, why don’t they simply agree to annex portions of their relatively large and open spaces to the “Palestinians” for a country? Why must it be where all other countries decided that Israel could exist? And if you think it’s because Jerusalem is somehow “holy” to muslims, you really need to do your homework inasmuch as Mohammad never set foot there and the only reason the Al-aqsa mosque was built there was a belated attempt some 500-600 years after Mohammad’s death to try to politicize the Islamic presence there.

    I used to respect that you were associated with the Libertarian party but I must admit that your “parroting” of the misinformation the media feeds you has changed that. I won’t vote or support you in any way as a result.

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    1. matt

      Oh man. I guess ‘matt’ is just all ‘these’ people now?

      So when doctor/now public servant ron paul(/wanna be like bushes and take a priveleged life and live off politics like the bushes) is checking his mail and someone punches him in the mouth ten times, its his fault?

      What would he do? Or his family? Non-paranoid style?

      I bet he would blame american society.

      Go mexicans. Save the alamo! Ron paul and his family now needs their pension!

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    2. Greg

      Ron Paul states it simply and perfectly.. if Russia, or anyone, occupied America “for our own good” and bombed us it would not take long at all before we were all doing anything we could to fight back. Against an overwhelming military force the only option is insurgency. The more we meddle in other countries the more people strike out against us. We had no problems with the middle east until around the time we got invloved with Iran.

      Quote.. Prior to 1948, there was no “Palestine” insofar as a government was concerned.

      Yes but that doesn’t mean there was no Palestine. The land was promised to be an arab nation for the help in overthrowing the Ottomans in WWI and had been inhabited by them for centuries. But that is a long story.

      Quote.. And if you think it’s because Jerusalem is somehow “holy” to muslims, you really need to do your homework inasmuch as Mohammad never set foot there.

      Muhammed never set foot there but he ascended to heaven there during the Night Ride and it played such an important role in the religion that for awhile all muslims faced Jerusalem and prayed before it was changed to Mecca.

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  21. Anthony

    Anyone who trusts any government fist of all is an idiot, sorry, but that is the way it is. Especially an over bloated, un-constitutional government we have in place now. Go Ron Paul, the only man who makes sense in congress today!

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  22. Sarah

    I find it incredibly disturbing that if someone says we should not be interfering in the Middle East and Israel they can so quickly be labeled “anti-Semitic”. Really? So if I believe (as Ron Paul does) that we should not be interfering in ANY other country’s politics – including Israel – I am anti-Semitic? That is absurd.

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    1. Jared L. Ohlinger

      Exactly Sarah… the greatest gift we could give Israel is a lack of funding because it is a metaphorical “handcuff key”…

      If we cut the foreign aid to all nations including Israel (which is dwarfed by the amount of funds sent to Arab nations) that means they’re all on their own… and that also means that if you lob a missile at Israel… you deal with the consequences your actions bring upon you…

      No one in the Middle East wants us to stop giving aid to Israel (especially their enemies) because if we do they no longer have to “kiss our ring” and ask for permission to defend themselves against aggressors…

      I’m not sure exactly how that can be twisted to be interpreted as “antisemitic”… but in this “politically correct” world where the truth is sold as “lies”… treason is sold as “patriotism”… and integrity is sold as “weakness”… stupid people no longer shock me when they open their stupid mouths… like Ben Stein did in the video above…

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  23. Jared L. Ohlinger

    For those of you that don’t get the message that Dr. Paul was trying to illustrate… let me break it down for you…

    If you come to my house and break my furniture and smash my television… and I tell you that because you did that I’m going to come find you and punch you in the face…

    Then I come and find you… and then I punch you in the face… are you going to say that you “have no idea why I came and punched you in the face”… because if you do you’re either an idiot or a liar…

    The fact of the matter is politicians are now not only saying they have “no idea” why we’re being attacked… they won’t even call the attackers what they are…

    Sheila Jackson Lee is a moron… here’s a video illustrating my point…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VLQq_EUdVA&feature=player_embedded

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    1. James

      Here’s what Paul was really saying: If I break in to your house and steal $5000 worth of your belongings and when I’m caught I say “Well, the U.S. government taxed me by force to the amount of $5000 so I was just getting my money back. I was retaliating.”
      You would not say that I was justified in stealing from you just because America stole from me. – So why, according to Ron Paul, was the Flight 253 attacker justified in trying to kill Americans just because the American government occupies Yeman? What did the passengers on flight 253 do to the country of Yemen?

      Of course there are tons of reasons why the US shouldn’t be in Yemen, but to have a Libertarian candidate justify such violations of individual liberty by blaming our government is why people don’t get involved in the Libertarian movement. These statements make Libertarians appear out of touch with the real justification of liberty.

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      1. Nate Y

        Except he never said that the Flight 253 attacker was justified in his actions. Nor did he imply such an absurd notion. Ron Paul just pointed out what motivated the attacker to do what he did. There is a wold of difference between motivation and justification.

        It’s quite easy to imagine why a person could be motivated to perform all sorts of horrendous acts but just because we can discover the motive, it does nothing to justify the behavior. When a detective discovers the motive behind a crime does that in anyway justify the criminal act? Not at all. I don’t understand why this relationship is so easily obscured when it comes time to apply it to government policies and international relations.

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        1. ThomasPaineReturns.Net

          Good explanation.

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        2. James

          Paul did not clearly make that point. And he is pretty much the face of the Libertarian Party. He had an opportunity on national television to demonstrate how American interventionism does play a part in terrorism. Instead he came across as defending the terrorists and getting into a yelling match about anti-semitism. The democrat came out looking like the reasonable referee on the panel. I’m just frustrated because Paul continually misses such opportunities. I consider myself Libertarian and he makes even me wonder sometimes. We need a new guy.

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          1. Nate Y

            Ron Paul isn’t even currently a Libertarian Party member. How can he be the face of the party if he’s not a member?

            You’re welcome to find a new guy. I’m of the opinion that there are plenty of people who promote the cause and there is room for all of them.

            I watched the interview. Yes, the shouting match was uncalled for but I can understand why it happened. Ron Paul most certainly demonstrated “how American interventionism does play a part in terrorism”. In fact, he made the point too well. It was so well demonstrated that Ben Stein had no choice but to raise the bogeyman of antisemitism.

            Also, “the Democrat” didn’t come off well at all. She came off as incoherent.

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        3. O. Snap

          Not sure that the logic is breaking through.

          Motivation is one of the basics when it comes to solving or preventing crimes. Attempting to understand the motives of someone does not equate to justification of their acts.

          It seems that some here are simply reacting to the manufactured fear of the boogyman. They will give away every last bit of their liberty and spend every last drop of young American blood and borrow trillions from the Chinese just so they do not have to worry about that big bad boogyman. Understandable, until you figure out that this is simply promoting perpetual war.

          You could cover the planet with American soldiers (we are getting closer with 700+ bases in 160+ countries) and nothing would change. It simply drains our blood and treasury, and does little to protect our homeland. It has never worked in history, and it never will.

          Is their a tipping point for these people? How many dead U.S. soldiers would be too many? Having spent our children’s inheritance should we now spend their children’s inheritance, all in the name of faux security?

          Face it, some of you have fallen for the oldest trick in the history books. Any state that wants more power need only trot out the latest boogyman and the sheople beg for safety. They will sell their children and their soul for that feeling of security that is a mirage.

          Grandpa said “If you stick your nose in a hornets nest, expect to be stung”.

          Bring them home,
          Bring them all home.

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          1. JAMES   Z.      ALES

            China just bought and is running
            a HUGE $$Billions, Copper mining project in
            Afghanistan. Are USA troops guarding and
            protecting Chinese investments??????????
            EXXON investments? British investments?

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  24. Calvin

    Man, I am a fan of Ron Paul but that was some bullsh*t.

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    1. O. Snap

      MSM drones are bullshit.

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  25. Jared L. Ohlinger

    “Oh, I don’t think there was a Deep Throat. That was a fake. I think there were several different sources and some they just made up.” – Ben Stein…

    Dr. Paul was right Sean… Ben is an embarrassment…

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  26. longshotlouie

    Makes you wonder what these goobers would be doing if another country was running rampant across North America building military bases and bombing towns.

    Everything they know about blowback comes during their afternoon constitutional.

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  27. Rob

    Dear Ben Stein, what qualifies you to make such baseless accusations? You’re biggest claim to fame is “Buehler….Buehler” so perhaps you should stick to acting. It is completely beyond me why you were even invited to this charade, other than to toss around the J card out, of course in clear view of the African American ‘mediator’. It’s very interesting and telling how political arguments can be won by throwing around the Anti-Semite card, at least in the mainstream media. Well, technically, you’re not really winning when that card is now pretty much without base but oh well…keep trying Ben.

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  28. Rob

    No, Sacha Baron Cohen is an embarASSment. Ben Stein is a stain on my bomb laced underpants. OH my, does that make me an anti-semite?

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    1. James

      Geez, the top Libertarian candidate just went on Larry King and made Ben Stein look smart. No wonder the Libertarian Party still isn’t a contender after 30 years!
      My love for liberty keeps me hopeful that they will get it right eventually, but remarks like “They’re terrorists because we are occupiers” sure makes me want to throw in the towel…..

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      1. longshotlouie

        Different show?

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  29. Joey

    I’m a supporter of Ron Paul, and even I find myself dismayed with the comments in this section. I thought that Paul was the most patriotic of all of all the candidates. Well, actually I still DO think that. Still, how does the most patriotic of all candidates attract such rabid America-haters as Nitroindole and Go Ron?

    Seriously–”slaughtering terrorists with advanced WMDs”? Give me a break. I don’t think we should be in Iraq or Afghanistan, but I can’t believe how far these commentors have ventured out onto the lunatic fringe. I’d like to believe that you guys are some kind of provaocateurs sent over by more “mainstream” GOP candidates to make Ron Paul look bad.

    Still, I may have to find a new candidate in 2012.

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    1. James

      I’m dismayed with Ron’s remarks also. Apparently my liberty stops at the American border. If I’m ever attacked by Jihadists, I sure hope Ron is not my attorney! He’d say that since I’m an American, the attack was my fault because I choose to live in a country that occupies other countries.

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  30. Ben

    Wow! I’ve been reading the comments section, and I must say–all the nuts come out for Paul, don’t they? 9/11 “Truthers”, America-haters, and all around idiots. Are you aware that you embarass your candidate when you associate yourselves with him?

    Oh, and before someone starts yelling, “If you love fascist America and its imperialist wars so much, WHY DON’T YOU YOU GO ENLIST!”…I am an Iraq War veteran.

    Yours in Liberty.

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  31. Thomas Tang

    If you want to know the truth see http://www.ae911truth.org/

    There are now 985 Architects and Engineers plus many scientists who question the official conspiracy theory.See the evidence for yourself and make up your own mind.

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    1. Matt

      “If you want to find out the truth” – 985 architects and engineers? Wow, Thomas did you know that represents 0.04% of all engineers and architects in the United States?

      Additionally, ae911 has representatives from all over the world, so in reality that percent is best described as ‘not even a fraction of one percent believe in the AE911 crackpot theories’.

      And hey, when you have ‘Engineers’ like these, how can you go wrong?!?:
      Comedy Engineer: http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999319
      Swimming Pool Engineer: http://www.911blogger.com/node/18544

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      1. Matt

        Sorry to reply to my reply, but to put that in perspective the number of architects and engineers that believe in AE911 crackpot theories is 25 times closer to ZERO PERCENT OF ENGINEERS than it is to ONLY a mere ONE PERCENT OF ENGINEERS.

        Solid. Looks like a lot of support – Comedy and Swimming Pool engineers and all.

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  32. Ertdfg

    Yep, it’s all our fault. Poor third-worlders never have any freedom of will, free choice, or willpower of their own. They aren’t capable of making decisions or choices; they’re not capable of intelligent thought, just reactions.

    So don’t blame them, blame us.

    Oh, and this concept is totally not racist; all the other people of the world are just incapable of rational thought or independent action… you can’t blame them for it.

    So Ron Paul, his ideas seem predicated on the belief that only western nations are capable of independent action or rational thought beyond simple reaction.

    But not at all in a racist way; all the other peoples of the world are simply not really self-aware people… they’re more like dogs or something I’m sure… but totally not in a racist way. Which I have to keep saying; because this premise seems predicated on a very racist ideal.

    Or maybe other people are capable of independent action, rational thought, etc. but only western nations should ever be held accountable for anything… Why? I guess because other people of the world aren’t capable of complex morality where holding them responsible for their own actions would be fair… wait, is that racist too?

    Weird… can anyone come up with a non-racist explanation why only western nations are responsible for their actions? and why western nations need to be responsible for the actions of everyone else too? I seem to be failing to explain this well.

    Maybe because this position is idiotic, indefensible, and completely racist… but maybe not. Anyone want to take a stab at it?

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    1. sean

      Third world countries do have freedom of will and willpower on their own. They are able to make choices BUT they don’t have opportunities.

      There is no such thing as racism when it comes to justice.

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    2. ForeignPolicyPolice

      Matt, don’t try to hide yourself under new aliases and monikers or fool the public with your idiosyncratic embellishments. You are trying to fool people into actually believing you are an expert, when it’s clear what you engage in is intellectual dishonesty.

      For starters Matt, you seem to cover up the argument by using very peculiar obsufucation techniques, what I would term as “Zionist” inspired education techniques because they are so far off in left field when it comes to reality or foreign policy.

      According to your world and version of events, Ron Paul is a fringe lunatic who should not be speaking a single word about Yemen because he does not know enough about the people there – he is merely an ignorant ‘racist’ because he implies that people should be taking a conscious effort to consider all the factors which proffer terrorism, rather than look at only one factor.

      In effect and in your world, a lone terrorist in Yemen or Iran is an infidel who must be dispatched simply because they are trained killers and hate the United States since birth. No you see, it could not possibly have anything to do with the fact we incinerate their children, bring fiat currency to their homeland to enslave their workforce, or occupy their land with standing military barracks and the brutal jackboot of a dictator.

      No, none of that could have anything to do with the fact this sharp dressed man assisted Abdullah to get on board that airplane and attempt to blow it up – along with thousands of other questions surrounding the people he was working with, who were not Al Qaeda ‘terrorists’
      http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/commenter_says_he_was_aboard_n.html

      You see, in your version of events none of these outside factors contribute to terrorism….people just get angry, they snap, and they blow up and attack people…..right?

      It does not matter if the US military occupied Saudi Arabia for the last 20 years and raped many of their wives & children, since Ron Paul was the only politician in a long time with the guts to say that.

      It does not matter that our own CIA installed two or three dictators in Saudi Arabia in order to gain control of the drug flow to Afghanistan, because you see, now those dirty infidels have Cell Phones and technology! We helped them! Good ol’ USA.

      No Matt, that is unfortunately not how the world works and the cause of much of our problems really is our foreign policy. Lone nuts become alone, as well as nuts due to the environment they grow up in. If the environment instills in them hatred, then many of those in other countries; could easily be terrorists.

      Not whole GROUPS of people, not a STATE of people. Unless of course, I suppose if we included the Israeli government and the South African apartheid regime. But that is the LAST thing you would want to hear, such blasphemous things are the work of racist lunatics who have no right to speak….isn’t that the truth?

      Or maybe, just maybe the fact Ron Paul’s view is now mainstream is what scares you the most. That people are actually thinking and considering, maybe all this “war on terrorism” project is just a complete lie of a war that can never be won.

      Because not everyone thinks Palestinians wake up one day and just decide to loathe and hate humanity, and blow up parking garages in the United States. Even if you do. Most people do not, most suspect it may be due to many contributing factors.

      Including occupying their nation with armed military, including occupying another nation with hired mercenaries, and including Israel never seriously even considering that what it does to expel all the Palestinians off its land is basically murderously wrong. As after all, in the foreign policy of today all that matters is there are nutty people out there who will do anything to shoot or kill people in the USA or across the world.

      Its perfect. They are indoctrinated to hate since birth, its not the influence of outside CIA or any of that rubbish. In your perfect little world that does not exist. In the real world, most people reject the nation-building version of why terrorism exists.

      For if terrorism can never disappear because radicals are born to hate, then that amazingly means the war on drugs and war on terror can never be won. TWO unwinnable wars in half a century, my god good old Roosevelt was right!!

      And even though you won’t change your thinking, just remember who benefits. Somebody benefits from the endless terrorism boogeyman and it isn’t you or me. It’s the bankers who run the world. Those benevolent bankers that are just there to help humanity reach its full potential.

      Matt, you keep at this because it inspires me. What you engage in is not merely misleading, it is intellectual dishonesty. You are keeping a lie going for thousands of people because you believe in the lie. So anyway, I am off to sulk in your world. Must be pretty annoying knowing most people do not think Ron Paul’s ideas are off the mark.

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      1. Matt

        Bwahahah ‘Matt, don’t try to hide yourself under new aliases and monikers’.

        Huh? Doth your paranoia or misdirection know no bounds?

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      2. Matt

        Let me get one thing straight, I am conflicted on Iraq and Afghanistan. My Brother has been in Afghanistan for three years now, my Uncle retired from the Marines last year.

        However, to simply blame EVERYTHING on ourselves, and all the pain and the suffering in this world is COMPLETELY and ALWAYS a result of something we (our military) did – and if we just retreat from everywhere right now all hatred will *poof* disappear is such a ridiculous proposition I cannot entertain it.

        Things are more complicated than Ron Paul makes it.

        Maybe I’ll just let Nitroindole answer your question of ‘who benefits’ in the paranoid language that y’all apparently understand (and I do not agree with):
        “Also it is a possibility that zoinists (sic) contribute into this by igniting devastating global conflict between Christian and Islam worlds.”

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        1. MattisARidiculousProposition

          Matt, I think what he is implying is that YOU are a ridiculous proposition. You assume that what he said was that all the factors that contribute to terrorism, are caused by our own military. However nowhere in his lecture did he say anything about that.

          You assume that we should not be in Afghanistan, however nowhere in his lecture did he say anything like that. What he said was eloquently clear, being over there is of no help and is one of the larger contributing factors for why terrorists might attack us.

          Another factor is of course the country’s living conditions, the environment they grow up in, criminal activity and outside influence. All of those factors contribute to terrorism, Matt. One of the largest is of course our constant military misadventures. You just got schooled in history 101.

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    3. go ron

      I’m disgusted with my country. U.S. needs to get the hell out of other people’s countries.

      For the idiots on this thread that support the mass slaughter the U.S. is perpetrating all over the world, but in particular the M.E., I say GO JOIN THE ARMY NOW!!!! You Love your government so much, and believe everything you hear on mainstream media, THEN GO NOW!!

      The U.S. is now the most COWARDLY OF NATIONS. Slaughtering children with advanced WMDs against people that can barely protect themselves. What a bunch of REAL MEN!!!wooohooo.

      I ask you morons: What the f*ck would you do if China starting bombing your town and killed a couple of your kids…While they are saying they are here to bring us liberty from our disgusting and fascist government, and spouting the old standby propaganda “we are after the terrorists in the white house”??

      Would you throw rose pedals after the tanks coming down your streets?

      HA! Most likely the U.S. tanks will be turned on the American people one day. They already got drones on both borders and soon on the West coast. The great land of LIBERTY!!

      And the morons bought it all. Without cracking a book, because they got Rush Limbaugh to tell them how to think.

      You disgust me. You morons on the most anti-Patriotic of all.

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      1. Matt

        Ummmm, so the U.S. needs to ‘get the hell out of other people’s countries’? It’s really just that simple?

        So if Al Qaeda slams planes into our WTC towers we turn tail, blame ourselves and our terribly misguided ideals, and then… we give texas back to Mexico and the rest of the United States to the American Indians?

        Ohhh, that’s right… When you say ‘our country’ it’s the one that we… Fought and killed innocent women, babies, and children for?

        Wow, all of a sudden I get it! You make so much sense!

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  33. Nitroindole

    Ron Paul is the only visible sober and honest politician. All what is going on is a set up by financial and military forces to pull taxpayers money and restrict our liberties. Also it is a possibility that zoinists contribute into this by igniting devastating global conflict between Christian and Islam worlds. Ask question: Who benefits? Then see what you see. It is remarkable that Ben Stein have had to point out ” It is not a war agoinst Islam” but in FACT it is! Stein call thgem all “psychopats”. Looks like he and those who are behind 9/11 and the “war on terror” want to whipe out Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, Iraq etc… The whole Islamic World population. Watch out!

    And to Matt: You need reading books, not listening PR only. And you have to apologize for your naming Ron Paul.

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  34. Matt

    Wow. Ron Paul is an idiot. Did Pearl Harbor occur because we were occupying Japan? Hmmmm, no it didn’t.

    That is just one example. Terrorism doesn’t occur because we occupy, it occurs because we are.

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    1. longshotlouie

      Your naivete knows no bounds, Mattie.
      Did The Bushwhacker confuse you about the difference between a terrorist act and an act of war?

      Sean was about to receive the ‘Dullard of the Year’ award, but you may have stolen his thunder.

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      1. Matt

        Wow Longshotsheeple, you get a little vodka in your kool-aid today? Awwww, go sleep it off and come back after you sober up.

        You don’t think terrorist actions are an act of war? What, was Bin Laden (assuming you don’t think he is a CIA shill and you actually believe 9/11 actually happened) and his slamming planes into buildings and killing thousands of people was a…. one time patriotic handjob?

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        1. longshotlouie

          …. and bin Laden did this for which state?

          No, wasn’t I that drank your ‘touched’ koolaid.

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          1. Matt

            Wow, moron.

            So when Bin Laden makes a “Declaration of War against the Americans”… It’s not a ‘war’ because he wasn’t speaking on behalf of a ‘state’?

            Not sure what ‘state’ your mind is in to spew that rubbish, but I would put the ‘peace pipe’ back down – it is clearly clouding your already questionable judgement.

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          2. longshotlouie

            Nice. Your basic pattern revisited.
            You ask a stupid question followed by a sophomoric rant, but you rarely respond to the argument at hand.

            Yes Mattie, War is against a state.
            Not against drugs, or poverty, or cavemen.

            Hope you are enjoying our very modest site.

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        2. go ron

          Hey Matt

          You are the proverbial American idiot. You can’t see beyond yourself.

          Please sign up for the military tomorrow if you believe in it so much.

          The fact is, the U.S. is TERRORIZING many people around the world. You need to check facts. You obviously can’t think for yourself.

          I’m getting sick of hearing how folks like you believe the bull shit “official government” version of 911.

          Yes, all of us 911 truthers are nuts in your eyes. But guess what? I’m a nut in good company…Physicists, Architectural Engineers, Aviation Specialists, and many more…

          What are you scared of? You might find out what a bunch of shit they taught us all in school? You might find out that our “beacon of light” country might not be so good after all..
          Does this ruffle your feathers? It does, and that’s because you cannot stand the thought that you might be complicit in mass murder just like we all are as long as we allow the putrid criminals to keep up what they do…for profit, for world power,

          But got news for you. Our country will never be the same. Your buddy Dick Cheney made sure of that (now there’s a terrorist if there ever was one).

          Go back to square one. Read George Orwell’s 1984. Pay close attention to the proverbial enemy ‘Emanuel Goldstein”.

          Read Carroll Quigly. Read “War Is A Racket” by Major General Smedley Butler.

          Its hard to grow a conscience in the U.S. Its hard when you realize that everything you were taught was mostly lies. But the truth will set you free.

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    2. Nitroindole

      Matt, I was strikingly surprised to find out how many Americans are ignorant and uneducated so they have NO idea of what “The Project for New American Century” (PNAC) signed by Cheney, Jeb Bush, Rumsfeld and Wolfovitz in 1997 is about. They have no idea of what is says in September 2000 about desirable “catalyzing” New Pearl Harbor event to speed up their PNAC project. This website and pdf documents were available to public all these years. (No more, they closed website just a week ago.) But few of us have paid attention…

      Matt, go get your education if you can afford it then you maybe will see what Ron Paul can see. You believe that you are not an idiot but this government keeps you uneducated, brainwashed and manipulated by spending at least 19% of the budget (at least 636 billions) for Defence and only 1.3% for education its people….
      That’s right, keep trying NOT to be an idiot but seriously in reality not in delusion.

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      1. Matt

        Thanks Nitro, if only i were as enlightened and ‘holding steady on the barricades of humanity’ as you are.

        Or maybe the military-industrial complex is simple just a spawn of the creature from jekyll island?

        Wait, you better run, I hear your pavlovian paranoia bell just went off with the mention of those terms.

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        1. Nitroindole

          Matt, seriously, put aside your emotions and anger. Take a minute reading the below then analyse:

          Rebuilding America’s Defenses (RAD)” is a policy document published by a neoconservative Washington think tank called the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). Its pages have been compared to Hitler’s Mein Kampf in that they outline an aggressive military plan for U.S. world domination during the coming century. And just as Hitler’s book was not taken seriously until after his catastrophic rise to power, so it seems that relatively few Americans are expressing alarm at this published document that is a blueprint for many of the present actions of the Bush administration, actions which have begun to destabilize the balance of power between the nations of the world.

          There is, indeed, much reason for alarm because PNAC is not an ordinary think tank and “RAD” is not an ordinary policy paper. Many PNAC members now hold key positions in the White House, Defense and State Departments, among them Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Elliot Abrams, Lewis Libby, and John Bolton, along with others in lesser positions. William Kristol, writer for the conservative magazine, the Weekly Standard, is chairman of the group.

          Some of these men have been advocating for a strong military posture since the ending of cold war hostilities with the Soviet Union. Wishing to capitalize on the fact that the US had emerged as the world’s preeminent superpower, they have lobbied for increases in military spending in order to establish what they call a Pax Americana that will reap the rewards of complete military and commercial control of land, sea, air, space, and cyberspace. This, they said, would be accomplished by the waging of “multiple simultaneous large-scale wars” and one of their first orders of business was always the removal of Saddam Hussein, thereby giving the US a toehold in the oil-rich Middle East.

          During the Clinton presidency, when the Republicans were out of power, this militaristic wing in American politics became highly organized and efficient. They formed the PNAC in 1997 And published “RAD” in September 2000. Determined to have their world empire, they offered an eerie prophecy on page 52 of that document about how it might be accomplished, “Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.” Their dream of a catalyzing event could not have been better actualized than in the events of 9/11.

          Although there could have been many responses to the tragedy of 9/11, the Bush administration seized upon that event to mold public opinion into accepting many ideas embodied in “RAD”. The overthrow of Saddam Hussein, was being proposed by Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz one day after 9/11, even before anyone knew who was responsible for the attacks. As soon as the war against Afghanistan was completed, the focus of US policy became regime change in Iraq, with all of the tragic consequences we are now seeing in that country.

          Policies advocated in “RAD” are being enacted with terrifying speed, such as denigration of the UN, importance of Homeland Security, abrogation of international agreements, revamping of the US nuclear program and the spread of American military power into all corners of the globe by preemptive engagement. In Iraq we have seen the embodiment of “RAD” directives that call for the subjugation of regimes considered hostile to US interests and the prevention of military build-up in countries that may challenge US power. Bush’s “Axis of Evil” nations Iraq, Iran and North Korea are mentioned numerous times as potential trouble spots and there is repeated insistence that the US establish military outposts in the Middle East and East Asia.

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          1. StopNewWorld

            PLEASE wake up and SEE that all of this is NOT for U.S. gain. War is being waged by GLOBALISTS who have no loyalty to America (initally led by Rockefeller). In Rockefellers own book he states he is “proud to be against America.” These people are globalist who want total economic control over everyone. Codex Alimentarius is one of thier scariest plans. Look it up. PLEASE SEE THE YOUTUBE VIDEO entitled “New World Order is Here.” Or look up “One World Government.” Then you’ll understand what this is all about.

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  35. sean

    “Ben, you are an embarrassment.” -Ron Paul

    Personal attacks by Ron?

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