57 responses to “Ron Paul: Are US Taxpayers Bailing Out Greece?”

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  5. longshotlouie
    1. Forest

      Oh… My… God! Obviously the Federal Reserve is going to bail out Greece, because, I mean, during the Iraq war some idiotic part of the government stupidly sent cash to Iraq… Wait, THAT MAKES NO SENSE! There is NO RELATIONSHIP between this Iraq fiasco and Ron Paul’s idiotic ramblings about the Federal Reserve participating in usurping ALL of the EU central banks and bailing out Greece! You must obliterate CASES of Sharpies trying to connect these dots.

      Wait, wait, I got it, based on that logic, where the Fed is responsible for tracking every single dollar bill that the Bureau of Engraving and Printing makes! What else the Federal Reserve is responsible for! I found more examples:

      Boy Finds Cash – Federal Reserve to Blame, Most Likely Lost Payment to Goldman Sachs
      http://www.examiner.com/x-3035-Everyday-People-Examiner~y2009m3d12-Boy-finds-bag-of-cash-and-shares-the-wealth

      Housekeeper Finds Bag of Cash – Federal Reserve Accused Of Misplacing ACORN Slush Fund
      http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2009/12/grand_rapids_hotel_housekeeper_1.html

      Madison Student Finds Bag of Cash – longshotlouie identifies as Fed Hush Payment
      http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/70656877.html

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      1. longshotlouie

        OK, mattie
        You won the game @ halftime

        Bwahahahahahahahaaa

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  6. Forest

    Anyone watch Ron Paul in today’s congressional testimony where he asked Bernanke POINT BLANK:

    Ron Paul: ‘Have you spoken with anyone regarding a bailout of Greece?’
    Bernanke: ‘No’
    Ron Paul: ‘Ummm, well isn’t it possible that you could purchase international debt?’
    Bernake: ‘We could, but we have not’

    Ron Paul: Ummm, ok…

    So, are we going to admit finally that this was just idiotic and hysterical speculation indicative of a histrionic old man?

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    1. Van Wilder

      How many times have people lied on camera??? If you believe that i have a piece of the brooklyn bridge to sell you…

      Here is an article today claiming the federal reserve is at least involved with the whole greek situation. Which could lead to dare i say… bailout

      http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fed-to-look-into-insurance-apf-3598170230.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=

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      1. Forest

        Well more to the point – you have ZERO proof that there is a bailout, just a lot of suspicions and conspiracies you like to entertain. Wait for it… ‘Oh That Ron Paul has information, oh he does, it was all just a game’. Well, wouldn’t he really just annihlate Bernanke with PROOF that there is a Greek Bailout – but NO he did not. Just more allegations.

        Instead, Bernanke said on camera in front of millions ‘NO THE FEDERAL RESERVE HAS NO INTENTIONS AND WE ARE NOT BAILING OUT GREECE’.

        And now, just because Goldman Sachs allegedly sold CDS against a country’s debt that they help ‘smooth over’ – which sounds very shady – the fact that Goldman Sachs is a BANK where the Fed is responsible for BANKS and is looking into whether there were criminal happenings – NOW MEANS THERE IS A GREEK BAILOUT?

        What the hell man. You had to connect so many imaginary dots you must have burned through a case of sharpies. Just insanity.

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        1. longshotlouie

          Take a powder, mattie
          The ever-so-clever doctor now has the Bernankster’s response on congressional record.

          Now put your ear to the ground,
          and listen closely ………………

          You should study your opponent, mattie

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          1. Forest

            Funny, we also have the ever-so-fraudulent Ron Paul on record predicting “widespread civil disorder in the 1980′s”.

            Page 15…
            http://mises.org/books/goldpeace.pdf

            How does that track record look now? I’ll believe it when I see it. And OBVIOUSLY if he had ANY proof that the Federal Reserve funded Iraq and Watergate he wouldn’t actually SHOW it, he would just hint at it, wouldn’t actually want to prove something – that would destroy his conspiracy-lovin’ image!

            Otherwise was the secret word of the day ‘Watergate’ – maybe it activated a lot of Ronbots yesterday…

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtS2QO1CQKg
            (Because I know youtube is your other god I figured I would try and speak the language.)

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  7. Voodoo

    Well Forrest, just curious, so you think our current monetery system baised on credit(debt) should continue? You think that Fiat money systems work?

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    1. Bottomline

      Also the dollar is still weak and we’re stuck in the fiscal mess for the longhaul!

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  8. Alexander

    Forrest, your stupidity is how the criminals behind the Fed have been able to run the scam of creating money out of nothing and YOU and EVERYONE else working for those dollars pays without even realizing that you are being robbed.

    “For all the concern over the $1.6 trillion U.S. budget deficit and record debt load, the dollar is as valuable now as 35 years ago.

    Are you that stupid??? Ho much did a gallon of gas cost 35 years ago ?? What about a loaf of bread? Milk? Do the Math Einstein and you will see that the dollar is not as valuable as it was 35 years ago at all. Relative to Silver and Gold you will find that in ounces the cost of a barrel of OIL or Gallon of GAS has not increased, only in dollars and other worth less currencies that continue to lose value year on year, decade on decade. If the USD is as valuable as some other worthless paper currencies on the other side of the world you think that means it has not lost value.

    Wake up – the USD since th ecreation of the FED has lost approximately 96% – 98% of its purchasing power. Money not backed by gold always becomes worth less over time !!!

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    1. Voodoo

      Bread in 1975 was .69 cents……..now 2.75 thats the same thats 298.8% intrest hike. This uses the latest CPI data for 2009 as 2010 don’t seem to be available.

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    2. Forest

      “Are you that stupid??? Ho much did a gallon of gas cost 35 years ago ?? ”

      Jeezus. Right, it really is that simple. Price then vs. price now, gotcha. I mean, how much was a computer 35 years ago? Oh wait, maybe I do have some questions…

      What, are you still buying leaded gas? Do you have to buy just as many gallons of gas to commute as you used to – as in are you still driving a 1960′s gas-guzzler around? Are the acquisition costs the exact same as they were 35 years ago?? Why SHOULD gas/bread/milk COST the EXACT SAME AMOUNT FOREVER? Is that some god-given right you have? Does this gallon of gas exist in a vacuum?

      How much did we make an hour 35 years ago? For how long did you have to work then to earn enough for a loaf of bread or a gallon of gas? What, have you never received a raise in 35 years? How much do you make now?

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      1. Voodoo

        Thats why its called inflation shithead. INFLATION = BAD

        Whatever you paid for in 1913 and paid 20.00 dollars for would equal 433.41 in today’s dollars. That is 2067% intrest. But forest, don’t pop a vein now, read on.

        The US dollar was hard pegged to gold resulting in domestic price stability and virtually no inflation from 1880-1914. The financial needs of WW1 ended this. In order to “pay” for WW1 countries had to print a lot of paper currency which by necessity mandated a delinking from gold because there wasn’t enough gold to support the paper.

        1971 – FLOATING – Fiat currency, 5 months
        August of 1971 President Nixon ended the international gold standard and for the first time no currency in the world had a gold backing.
        1971-1973 – FIXED – Dollar standard, 2 years
        The Smithsonian Agreement was passed pegging world currencies to the dollar rather than gold as a fixed exchange rate.
        1973-? – FLOATING – Fiat currency, 30 years
        The Basel Accord established the current floating exchange of currency rates we are operating under today.

        In a fiat money system, money is not backed by a physical commodity (i.e.: gold). Instead, the only thing that gives the money value is its relative scarcity and the faith placed in it by the people that use it.

        In a fiat monetary system, there is no restrain on the amount of money that can be created. This allows unlimited credit creation. Initially, a rapid growth in the availability of credit is often mistaken for economic growth, as spending and business profits grow and frequently there is a rapid growth in equity prices. In the long run, however, the economy tends to suffer much more by the following contraction than it gained from the expansion in credit. This expansion in credit can be seen in the Debt/GDP ratio.

        In most cases, a fiat monetary system comes into existence as a result of excessive public debt. When the government is unable to repay all its debt in gold or silver, the temptation to remove physical backing rather than to default becomes irresistible. This was the case in 18th century France during the Law scheme, as well as in the 70s in the US, when Nixon removed the last link between the dollar and gold which is still in effect today.

        Hyper-inflation is the terminal stage of any fiat currency. In hyper-inflation, money looses most of its value practically overnight. Hyper-inflation is often the result of increasing regular inflation to the point where all confidence in money is lost. In a fiat monetary system, the value of money is based on confidence, and once that confidence is gone, money irreversibly becomes worthless, regardless of its scarcity. Gold has replaced every fiat currency for the past 3000 years.

        The United States has so far avoided hyper-inflation by shifting between a fiat and gold standard over the past 200 years.

        The founding fathers were concerned about the unrestrained control of the money supply. One thing they all agreed upon was the limitation on the issuance of money,
        Thomas Jefferson warned of the damage that would be caused if the people assigned control of the money supply to the banking sector, “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a money aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. This issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of the moneyed corporations which already dare to challenge our Government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country” Thomas Jefferson, 1791

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        1. Forest

          “Whatever you paid for in 1913 and paid 20.00 dollars for would equal 433.41 in today’s dollars.”

          While you were whining, I took that same $20 and invested in the US Total Stock Return Index and now I have $190,980!!! That is right, $200,000 dollars! So while you were digging for your can of money in the backyard, I was having a granite pool put in mine.

          For chrissakes even if you were a moron, which given your namecalling I do not doubt, you could have invested in 30-day T-Bills and still have more than a grand.

          And I’ll actually write something for you, instead of copying and pasting… In that SAME TIME THAT YOU ARE ALLEGING THIS INFLATION HAS BEEN SOOOOO HORRIBLE, how is it possible that the business environment has been such that you could invest even in a SAVINGS ACCOUNT and still make more money than your pathetic ‘loaf of bread example’ takes away?

          I would say you might pop a vein in your forehead, but I would never wish hemorrhoids upon anyone.

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          1. Voodoo

            Then explain to me this……why so you think that our current monetary system, (Fiat) which is based on debt, will not fail as have all others in the past? Did you actually read that entire piece? Yes some was copied but some of it was also written. I guess that trying to teach someone who don’t want to learn is fruitless. I have tried. But really all you are is someone trying to cause division. You don’t want to learn, teach or even try to be decent about things. You want to put down, show how stupid you think others are because of what they believe and simply don’t care. You are a shithead and many other things, I callem as I see em.

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  9. Voodoo

    Since the advent of the Federal Reserve, conspiracy or not, everything has gone down. Fiat money systems do not work….period.

    The call for specie currency does not violate the Commerce Clause; paper money, fiat money, violates the clause in which the states deputed to the federal government the power to coin money. Not to print it. It also violates the part about how no state can make anything but gold and silver legal tender.

    Gold never fluctuates in value. Fiat money fluctuates in relation to gold, but gold is always the standard no matter what anybody says or does. That’s the very reason that it took a wheelbarrow full of fiat money to buy a loaf of bread in Weimar Germany, or in Argentina, or anywhere else. It’s why a loaf that cost a dime in 1950 now costs three dollars.

    Civics 101, Economics 101–and nobody in journalism or in politics has ever taken either. People of normal intelligence (or above) are getting awfully tired of letting the idiots run everything.

    The simple fact is that an ounce of gold during the Roman Republic would purchase a fine “stola” and an ounce of gold today will still secure a dress of equal measure. That it may take $300 Fiat Notes is utterly immaterial, as it is the Fiat notes, not the gold which has fluxuated.

    One should note that during the time of the Napoleanic War through to the Creation of the 3rd Central Bank of the United States in 1913, i.e. the FEDERAL RESERVE, prices for goods fell year after year and thus became more affordable to the common person (save for the Civil War when government spending led to inflation and rising costs)

    However since the FEDERAL RESERVE gained control over the Dollar, its value, i.e. purchasing power has declined 96% to a value in today’s terms of .04 cents

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    1. Forest

      Gold never fluctuates in value. Fiat money fluctuates in relation to gold, but gold is always the standard no matter what anybody says or does. ”

      The simple fact is that an ounce of gold during the Roman Republic would purchase a fine “stola” and an ounce of gold today will still secure a dress of equal measure.”

      Really? That is a ‘simple fact’ eh? Lets go ahead and test it in reality…

      So what you are saying is that, as EVERYTHING else is valued against gold – this ‘dress of equal measure’ that EVERYONE else you are referring to has fallen to ONE THIRD of it’s value since 2003?

      I had no idea, you should tell everyone that the value of EVERYTHING they own has fallen by one-third in the past zeven years – see how that goes over, champ.

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      1. Voodoo

        Well isn’t that your job “Champ”?

        Oh and is that all you got? “Champ”?

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    2. forest

      Is this when the rest of the us lets texas just secede, fight themselves to the death, and then the rest of us take yall over? Please, please try. Please.

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  10. wanderer1

    Ron knows deep down the answer is YES.

    I actually studied a little history of Modern Greece at University and all I can say it’s riddled with corruption, massive investments from western powers (mostly the US) and incompetence on part of Greece’s government. Most of the funding during 1945-1990, which amount to over $300 Billion if my memory serves me well, coming from the EU and the US was to stop any perceived spread of communism. Greece was a battleline and within Greece there had been many pro-communist sympathisers. The money was meant to modernise the country, quell the people and stop any dissenters. Billions though were squandered, stolen or wasted. In a nation which has systemic corruption (and I don’t mean to pick only on Greece in this regard), money is never enough. It will never get to where it needs to be. It will never filter to the people as it should. Like many countries, especially post-Soviet era, they’ve been riding a wave of fictitious economic highs, and the Greeks can’t believe it has come to an end.

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    1. Bottomline

      Greece as well as other countries have to make these cutbacks to get them out of a huge deficit! If we continue to listen to your theories we will never get out of debt and there would be more bailouts!

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  11. Bottomline

    Matt how can he be wrong? He is right! That our tax dollars may be used to bailout Greece! If you think our Government is acting on our behalf then think again!

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    1. Forest

      “Matt how can he be wrong?”

      He can’t be wrong, that is the beauty with conspiracies – you can’t be ‘wrong’, you can just ‘be the victim of a secret’. I mean, with SOLID PROOF like (again, Ron Pauls words!):

      “Details of agreements are not forthcoming.”
      “The fact is, we don’t know,”
      “it is not outlandish to wonder”

      How can it NOT be right? I mean, when someone doesn’t know any details, admits we don’t know about something that doesn’t yet exist, and openly mentions he is only ‘wondering’, he HAS to be right, right? In NO WAY is this simply open to discussion or interpretation.

      *sigh*

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  12. andrewj

    I guess all those stocks are rallying because there is no news on a greek bailout. Oh wait, independent news sites around the world tell me events that will result in a greek bailout are happening.

    So who doing the bailing? Well if you even begin to question whether or not the US in involved in European Banking YOU MUST BE A CONSPIRACY THEORIST RIGHT!!!!!!!

    forget the fact that citizens have no right to know how their tax dollars are being handled, trust in big bankster government.

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    1. Forest

      Riiiight, because the European Union TOTALLY wants the United States to be messing with it’s affairs. That is totally logical – I mean trying to determine what to do for a resolution isn’t politically difficult as it is. Riiight. Cute though, were you the head of the ‘Conspiracies Without Borders’ club when you were in highschool?

      I assume you now use the following to form your opinions:

      http://farm1.static.flickr.com/125/331634958_387617c29f.jpg

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  13. Voodoo

    All this mess with EU, US, China, Japan etc has been cause by our current “Fiat” Monetary system. Money that is not backed by anything but speculation as to how much someone thinks it is worth is just plain stupidity. Fiat money systems have not worked in the past and will not work in the current way much longer. Since Nixon completely severed our system with the Gold standard in ’71 everything has been slowly going to crap. Now we are reaping what we have been sewing for the past 40 years. There has been a correction of 50 pts or so in the market, I would expect it to start heading down in the a death spiral this year to where we or any other country will not recover from. I hope I am wrong but I don’t think I am.

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    1. Forest

      “There has been a correction of 50 pts or so in the market,”

      What market are you looking at, everything is green in the U.S. today – well not gold. Gold is down.

      “Now we are reaping what we have been sewing for the past 40 years.”

      OK, now that was a whiny statement. Wahhhhh, death spiral, wahhh, ‘i hope i am wrong but i don’t think i am’ wahhhhh… A little bit of false humility with your fatalism? Y’all are just plain acting like you have never seen adversity before… Ever. Like the United States was just always SO AWESOME and NEVER had any problems before 1971 and it has just GONE TO HELL since then. Whatever.

      Fortunately the rest of the country will continue to work hard, you should be more appreciative of the fact they drag you upwards.

      Going to crap in the past 40 years, eh? I guess you see what you want – where every year is the last year.

      “For all the concern over the $1.6 trillion U.S. budget deficit and record debt load, the dollar is as valuable now as 35 years ago.

      Measured against a basket of currencies from the Group of 10 nations proportioned by how they trade against each other, the greenback is up about 3 percent since 1975, according to Bloomberg Correlation-Weighted Currency Indexes. That was four years after the Bretton Woods agreement, set up in 1944 to link currencies to the price of gold, collapsed.”

      http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aVbhDaStbA1Q&pos=2

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      1. Voodoo

        Dam, do you really enjoy being a dick? You must because all you do instead of talk and debate is to try to totally debase someone’s thoughts. Thats ok really because I know who to totaly ignore from now on. I know this will do nothing but fuel your rants and I am sure others have said it before to you. Just show’s how the internet gives balls to those who otherwise dont have them.

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    2. Forest

      Even Better Than the Real Thing
      John Oliver searches for the simple time in American history longed for by Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly – and Ron Paul supporters…

      http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-5-2010/even-better-than-the-real-thing

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  14. van wilder

    This is what was stated

    “Is it possible that our Federal Reserve has had some hand in bailing out Greece? The fact is, we don’t know, and current laws exempt agreements between the Fed and foreign central banks from disclosure or audit.”

    Its a thought… Its possible, and the easiest way to end the thought is for more transperency from the federal reserve. That monster does what it wants and has to answer to no one. So if it felt like it was profitable to bail out greece in some way shape or form whats to stop it? Think about it and go easy on the name calling it only enhances ignorance.

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    1. Forest

      First… Can you tell me where the bailout even is? Seriously, where is this bailout Ron is talking about? There ARE NO DETAILS on a bailout. It is a Ron Paul-led conspiracy about conjecture regarding fantasy about something that HASN’T EVEN HAPPENED YET.

      This is just another crackpot talking out of his arse about things he chooses not to understand. While Europeans deal with reality Ron chooses to live in his very own conspiracy-laden world. It is quite pathetic actually.

      Look at the news, the EU is struggling to figure out what to do. Austerity measures, deficit cutting, protests.

      http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1964443,00.html?xid=rss-topstories

      “and go easy on the name calling it only enhances ignorance.”

      Well said! Wait… You did refer to the Federal Reserve as a ‘monster’… Hmmm…

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      1. van wilder

        I did refer to the reserve as a monster, but that is an institution not an individual, and i will actually apologize for that. To the point, Ron Paul didnt say there was an actual baiout just the possibility of there being one. Thats the reason there are no details because its just the thought of it being a reality. The federal reserve is a for profit entity, if there is money to be made there its hard to dismiss this as not a potential reality. Its just open minded thinking, which quite honestly it is very healthy to do.

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        1. Forest

          Is it ‘open-minded’ to ignore the actual workings and cultures and difficulties these countries are actually having? Is it ‘open minded’ to short-circuit rational thought and leap to a tangential conspiracy (with no basis) based on something that may not happen? Is it ‘open minded’ to not even focus on the lessons we can learn from watching this process? Is it ‘open minded’ to not focus on the other million possibilities and ACTUAL outcomes?

          Why is it not ‘open minded’ to postulate that not everything ends with ‘a Federal Reserve conspiracy’?

          It isn’t open-minded, stop telling yourself that. It is narrow-minded and equivalent to walking through life with blinders on. Like I said, not everything ends up on a Federal Reserve conspiracy so stop trying to demonize and actually try to understand the situation.

          It shows a tremendous lack of knowledge about reality to speculate on a conspiracy about something that HAS NOT OCCURRED.

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          1. van wilder

            Not everything he says ends in a federal reserve conspiracy… All we are talking about here is a possibility, not an accusation. By no means is he ignoring the workings of the Greek culture but what has happened to them is now bigger than Greece. We should definatly learn lessons from this because our economy is headed in the exact same direction.

            What would be walking with blinders on would be not commenting or thinking about the whole problem and saying the Greek economic troubles are buisness as usual.
            The purpose of this article, which you obviously missed, is to make people more aware for the need of transparency of the federal reserve.

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          2. Forest

            “What would be walking with blinders on would be not commenting or thinking about the whole problem and saying the Greek economic troubles are buisness as usual”

            Noone is saying that… Not one single person… If you actually believe that there is someone out there that says this is ‘business as usual’ then stop only reading Ron Paul’s anti-Fed missives. There is a wealth of speculation about how the EU is going to handle this, literally the eyes of the world are right now turned on the Euro – while Ron Paul deals in conspiracies. I suppose rather than dealing in reality he will keep fiddling while his own Ronbot fiefdom burns around him.

            “The purpose of this article, which you obviously missed, is to make people more aware for the need of transparency of the federal reserve.”

            No, I expressly understand that. What I am calling out is how stupid of a reason it is – that the basis is so ludicrous it comes across as childish, conspiratorial, and plain ignorant.

            So, your reason for legislation is… To prevent something that could conspiratorially happen based on something that HAS NOT HAPPENED? Jeezus.

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          3. longshotlouie

            No such thing as a conspiracy, right?

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      2. AlPon

        How would the Neocon Nazis continue to hold onto the world if not for the lying spin doctors like yourself. When people do their own due diligence about world affairs they soon learn that people like Paul are the only true patriots left. And that when fascist liars attack patriots they only reveal their own insincerity. If you are not a deliberate liar for the globalist pigs then you are extremely misinformed and need to read and research what is truly going on in the world today.

        ‘If you don’t read the newspaper you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.’
        Mark Twain

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        1. Forest

          AlPon:

          “When people do their own due diligence about world affairs”

          How can you perform ‘due diligence’ on something that DOES NOT EXIST?

          Are you not getting my point? Let me try again: YOU CANNOT PERFORM DUE DILIGENCE ON A CONSPIRACY THEORY LAYERED ON TOP OF SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED.

          BAILOUT: NOT HAPPENED SECRET FEDERAL RESERVE ACTIONS: PURE SPECULATION

          In RON PAULS own words:
          “Details of agreements are not forthcoming.”
          “The fact is, we don’t know,”
          “it is not outlandish to wonder”

          Where is the due diligence there Al? Or do you take everything Ron says for fact – even when Ron SAYS IT ISN’T A FACT but instead PURE CONJECTURE and ‘wellll, not TOTALLY outlandish’.

          Great use of labelling me though. Now that I question it you again take Ron Pauls imaginary world and use it to create YET ANOTHER conspiracy – that I am a Neocon Nazi/Fascist Liar/Deliberate Liar.

          I feel sorry that you will go through life so angry and full of conspiracies you may never realize people like you are holding this country back from being great again.

          Next time, try posting a quote that makes sense, and not some folksy crap that has no bearing on the discussion.

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          1. Casey

            Who’s the angry one? Calm down, Bernanke.

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          2. AlPon

            You are truly master of double speak ! I was going to debate you but i now see that you are so superficial that you can’t or won’t understand a simple quote referring to the total lack of reliable information from the media that has gone on for centuries now.
            I believe you are a ‘plant’ placed on this site to waste the time and energies of true patriots.
            Goodbye my malintentioned adversary.

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          3. Forest

            “Calm down, Bernanke.”

            “I believe you are a ‘plant’ placed on this site to waste the time and energies of true patriots.”

            And so the conspiracies and labelling never stop here, do they?

            Oh, my god… Wait, do you mean like a ‘vegetable plant’? Jeezus plants can now read and type?!? I bet that was the research conducted via the Patriot act as funded by the Federal Reserve! Let me make a youtube video that proves it!

            I mean I can’t REALLY prove that, but it isn’t outlandish to speculate on the possibility that something like that might occur, right? I mean, look at history…

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          4. longshotlouie

            Like I said
            No such thing as a conspiracy, right?

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          5. forest

            Good call louie.

            By the way, given that I am a ‘fascist nazi’ I was able to find someone like you, you know, cause that is how we roll, that I could convince to kill other texans.

            Boo!

            Douchebag, maybe now ron paul will learn how caustic and useless he is.

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        2. van wilder

          Good points… But again name calling doesnt promote intellegent or meaningful discussion. I find it insane that people actually attack Ron Paul. Is it because he is not like every other politician? Or because what he says can be scary? Because he thinks outside or governments little box? I will bet you my last piece of fiat money that the founding fathers of this nation would puke at what we have become.

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          1. Forest

            “I will bet you my last piece of fiat money that the founding fathers of this nation would puke at what we have become.”

            Whatever. Like you know what our founding fathers were thinking. For all you know they might puke – but at what an irrational angry mob of a country this has become. Don’t forget, they also wanted to make sure the country succumbs to the mass of ordinary citizens, who are all too easily “stimulated by some irregular passion … or misled by the artful misrepresentations”.

            Hmmm, artful misrepresentation… Sounds like Ron Paul’s ‘Imaginary Greek Bailout Which Is Somehow Still Supported By US Taxpayers’ conspiracy theory to me…

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  15. Forest

    “The American people have the right to know if they are going to be the ones holding the bag in the end because the Federal Reserve secretly put them on the hook for it.”

    NO! We don’t care about facts! We just want to speculate ourselves into a frenzy! We are BAILING OUT THE WHOLE WORLD after all!

    Besides, if it were a secret, are you (some piddling congressman in rural texas) ever going to find out – and even if ZERO evidence that the Federal Reserve somehow ‘out-secreted’ ALL EUROPEAN CENTRAL BANKERS including our GREAT friends in places like France and Germany to orchestrate a bailout that HAS NOT OCCURRED? Fascinating. I thought Europe invented the game, but we have mastered it, eh? Isn’t that the beauty of such allegations Ron? You can’t be wrong because you can just say ‘IT’S STILL A SECRET’!

    Maybe learn who is holding the sovereign debt, that might be a good start if you want to construct a more complex and justifiable, if equally retarded conspiracy theory. I’ll give you a hint IT ISN’T THE UNITED STATES.

    MoRON.

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  16. Forest

    “Is it possible that our Federal Reserve has had some hand in bailing out Greece?”

    Dude. Ron. What the hell are you talking about? Seriously, WHERE IS THE BAILOUT? How can the Federal Reserve have a hand in bailing out SOMEONE THAT HASN’T BEEN BAILED OUT? Lay off the conspiracy theories. As of right now the EU via the Maastricht treaty can’t even ‘bail out’ and is demanding more and more concessions while trying to assess the situation. Learn the popular buzzword – ‘austerity measures’. At least you won’t sound like a fool.

    “it is not outlandish to wonder if the US taxpayer is secretly bailing out the entire world”

    WELL THEN, I suppose it is also not outlandish to wonder if we have been secretly bailing out alien nations – like ALIENS FROM ANOTHER PLANET? Come on Ron, I have no idea what this pandering is, but you must feel usurped somehow because statements like this really make you look like a fool.

    “This global financial crisis is a predictable result of secretive central banking and unsound fiat currency.”

    Ummm, actually no it is not. Now you just sound like a gynecologist/taxi driver/pool cleaner who thinks they know something about economics. Try stepping back and looking at history instead of screaming ‘ROME’ every time you see your shadow.

    http://www.economics.harvard.edu/files/faculty/51_This_Time_Is_Different.pdf

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    1. longshotlouie

      Matt, don’t you think you are over-acting?

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      1. forestnomad

        Nah louie, I don’t? How much more do you have to copy/paste to realize you have no idea what I’m talking about?

        Yep, I caused a person from texas to slam a plane into a building full of texans.

        Rinse, and repeat. The conspiracy will survive!!

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        1. longshotlouie

          Wow, how did I miss this hallucinogenic journey into Tangentville?

          wtf r u talkin’bout?
          How much more do you have to copy/paste to realize you have no idea what you’re talking about?

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    2. Andy

      Gold never fluctuates in value.”

      That is not reality. It depending in which hands the Gold is at particular time and location.

      “… not everything ends up on a Federal Reserve conspiracy so stop trying to demonize and actually try to understand the situation.”

      Well the economy of this country runs on this particular crapy “Fiscal Agency”. How ELSE we will end-up in shit if the “head” of monetary system is corrupted?
      When u’re talking about “millions” of different ways to heal the situation, do u realize that all starts with “monetary system” reform? And there is only a couple of things we can do about it at this point?

      “There is a wealth of speculation about how the EU is going to handle this, literally the eyes of the world are right now turned on the Euro – while Ron Paul deals in conspiracies. I suppose rather than dealing in reality he will keep fiddling while his own Ronbot fiefdom burns around him.”

      Actually it’s simple, read about who started EU and in which benefit it was ratified. Very intriguing readings, btw.
      So what Mr. Paul is not saying openly is that the same monster is ruling in EU. And we do know whom these Greece and entire EU bankers are serving.

      “No, I expressly understand that. What I am calling out is how stupid of a reason it is – that the basis is so ludicrous it comes across as childish, conspiratorial, and plain ignorant.”

      What do you understand? That FRS has nothing to hide and legitimately “acquired” the power of our currency manipulation, which was solely indicted to the Congress ALONE?

      “For all you know they might puke – but at what an irrational angry mob of a country this has become.”
      So this country is not that good just bc of Dems or Reps? Or me and u?
      Do we created grassroot influence on the Amendment 16th to be “ratified” with full understanding of future tragic consequences? Who did? Where these “ties” are linking? In which side it benefits? Who’s manipulating our Tax money? And for what particular reason Nixon abolished that International Agreement, that used to be ratified in Bretton-Woods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_system)? Please, pal, drop me a link with some more reading.

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  17. Bottomline

    Very good observation and great update on the economic crisis spreading in Greece and other parts of Europe! Their Government has grown way to big and haven’t cut their spending like ours!

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