72 responses to “Ron Paul on the Census 2010”

  1. cindy

    Help! Census workers are coming to our door. They’ve been here 4 times. The last one threatened to fine us. I sent in our census form on time but only put 5 people living at the residence. They want our names. Do I have to give them our names? What is the law that protects me if I refuse to do this? Thanks.

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    1. fred the protectionist

      Tell them you’re a Ron Paul supporter and you have a gun.

      The words “Ron Paul” and “Gun” are like krytonite to these Gubmnt people, or like a cross to a vampire, they’ll hiss at you then go away. C’mon do it, do it do it do it.

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  2. Mark

    In response to the comments here. Am I missing something? How does any of this have anything to do with Obama? This is the same Census that has been done every decade for the last 200 years. Does anyone _really_ believe that the Census would be any different if McCain or even Bush was in power now?

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    1. Isabel Cohen

      I agree 100% with Mark. This census has not changed in forever so quit beefing and go and spend some time outside! Take some deep breaths and quit blaming everyone else for your problems!

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    2. Steve Smith

      “This census has not changed in forever” TRUE STATEMENT…but SADLY AMERICA HAS!!!

      These past few weeks, I have really gotten an education on our Government and the Census.

      Research has shown the past abuses and irresponsible behavior of the US Census Bureau. Hundreds of laptops (full of private information) not accounted for. Information that a teenager could hack into.

      The elderly being harassed time and time again even AFTER they completed the forms MULTIPLE times, because the Census LOST it the first 3 times.

      I am 55 years old. All my adult life, I have filled out the Census and sent it in.

      So what is different now?

      The United States we live in is different.
      US citizens understand that times have changed.

      They understand that sadly, you can not leave your home unlocked.

      You can not allow your child to play even in a neighborhood park unattended.

      Identity theft is rampant.

      They understand that a teenager from his bedroom can hack into VP candidate emails and financial institution records.

      What percentage of Census workers are rapists that have no record because they have not been caught yet? They see a woman living alone or with a child and they know that there is no one else in that home to protect her.

      What percentage of Census workers are thieves that have no record because they have not been caught yet? They see a big screen tv in the living room through the front door. Especially with the information in the ACS, they know the hours these homeowners work.

      Don’t believe it can happen, ask Royal Caribbean Cruise Line. One of their employees booked cruises and then robbed the homes of the cruise passengers; while they were on their cruise.

      We live in a world where children are STALKED on the Internet.

      Worst of all, what percentage of Census workers are sex offenders that have no criminal record, because they have not been caught yet?

      Now they know the name and age of the children in a particular area AND the children’s phone numbers. They know the parents NAMES, so that they can pretend to be a friend of the family.

      Why hasn’t someone thought about this? The information from a simple Census is all a predator needs.

      Even more sadly, they realize the growing number of our own government officials that can not be trusted.

      We must live a much more guarded life now.

      Instead of recognizing this, our Government is becoming more and more intrusive with the ACS.

      Times have changed and it is about time that our Government changed with it.

      I am asking that you consider a Census Privacy Act that would restrict the collection of information every 10 years to number, age, race and sex. True statistics, not personal information.

      The ACS should be completely done away with.

      I understand the necessity of a statistic, but a NAME is NOT a statistic. A date of birth is NOT a statistic.

      And the “proxy” should be completely outlawed, because INCORRECT information is worse than NO information.

      I do apologize for not being better informed before. I must admit I was shocked and sickened at the depth of the erosion of our Civil Rights today.

      Perhaps if the Government respected its citizens more, the citizens would cooperate fully and the needed result would be achieved.

      It is time that the real leaders of our country change our Government into an entity that respects those that have earned it.

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    3. April Greene

      AHHH but you see the Bush family is still in charge as Obama is a shirttail relation of the Bush family. And while on the subject of the Bush family, they were the ones who started up the talk of a world order. Has anyone really stopped to let those words sink in? Did anyone ever think that maybe just maybe the direction the country is going in was planned? That they are pushing the American citizens into a revolution so they can then make America a po;lice state and then put their dictator in power? Think it is bad now, you just wait and see how things look a few years from now if the status quoe is left as is.

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    4. terrymac

      Not everything is about “Bush vs Obama” or “GOP vs Democrats”.

      I objected to the census form 10 years ago, when Bush was in office. I object today, when Obama is in office. I’ll still be objecting 10 years from now, since some things don’t change.

      It is none of the government’s business what my name is, my ethnic origin, my income, how many toilets I have access to, how many guns I have, yadda yadda yadda.

      I have no objection to answering the one question authorized by the Constitution: “How many people live here?”

      That’s where the Census Bureau should stop.

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  3. M.Schaeff

    Recently bought an 1870 house. Looking at late 1800’s census info to learn about the house’s history. Guess what? They asked for the same info! Except for phone number (which you do not have to give, especially if you don’t have a phone, and if you do, anyone can get it anyway) and the “other” place you may have lived (which you can obfuscate if you want and they won’t catch on). So, I know whether or not black people lived in my house, if that mattered to me. How can Uncle Sam use the census info against you any differently than all the other info that is readily available? You seem extremely paranoid! Go live in northern Alaska if you want to become anonymous! GPS coordinates? Hasn’t Mr. Paul ever looked at Google Maps? Is this man still in the stone age? I can look into his back yard from space! I can enter his address in my car’s GPS and pay him a visit! The only thing I give Mr. Paul is that a simple head count would indeed be sufficient. The govt. can obtain, if it doesn’t already have it, all and any info on any citizen. It is a waste to gather and compie all that other info. But that’s what govt. is for, to provide jobs for bean counters. And that govt. employee who may visit you to obtain census info. That is the gal down the street trying to make a few exptra bucks in this lousy economy, not a black-booted Obama-nazi! Meanwhile, I see that there are only 12 million US govt. employees. That means that each one of them would have to keep track of 25 others in order for “Big Brother” to prevail. Just how ridiculous is that proposition? VERY! Also, who ever said that the govt. is efficient and proficient, thus proving the fact that there is absolutely nothing to fear from bunmbling govt. concerning “spying” on its citizenry. You guys are kooks! Mr. Paul has some very good ideas. But, if he ever wants my serious consideration, he’s got to stop this crazy, paranoid Tea Party talk.

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    1. Flo Beane

      If you think Google’s addresses are always correct, then you’re the one that’s not up to date on his info. Oh, and guess what? The government gps got my address wrong, too! As for coming back to my house? Since no entrance to this house is accessible without coming through locked gates and dealing with my rather large and noisy brood of dogs … well, good luck with that one Mr/Ms Census Taker. (they tied the first stupid form to my fence, for pete’s sake. lol)

      No. I didn’t answer their nosy questions. They wanna fine me, they’re welcome to try. Since we don’t have home mail delivery in this teensy burg, the games should be really interesting. Let ‘em bring it!

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  4. J G

    People need to look at who these people are, legalized criminals of the highest degree making up their own rules and regulation while steeling our tax dollars to fund their bad behavior. People became to0 comfortable in their own lives and allowed them unlimited power. I’m sure their spying on all emails, blogs and posts and will eventually criminalize speaking out against them. They make Bernie Madoff look like childs play compared to the trillions embezeled, extorted, and stolen by passing smoke screen bills like healthcare. This was the biggest Gov powergrab in history and biggest violation of our constitutional rights. The Census is just another rule imposed to criminalize the average hardworking individual! Ever ask why they need your phone #

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  5. Gary

    It has become apparent to me that the obama administration (democrats) are intentionally trying to overthrow our constitutional form of government. Remember, in our constitution is reminds us that there are enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC. Freedom comes at a price folks, vigilance! This current administration is a pack of thugs. Also some serious enemies of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Time to hold them accountable America.

    I remain,

    A patriot,

    G. Olson

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  6. Marc Abel

    The $5,000 penalty is in a different part of the U.S. Code and stems from the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984. See 18 U.S.C. 3551 et seq.

    Please think twice before you “dislike” this post, because what dislikes do is cause ronpaul.com to conceal what is written. If people need this information (even if it’s unpopular), “like” would be a better response.

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  7. 55Apache

    I received my census questionnaire. I answered ONE QUESTION ONLY! the 1st one. How many people live here? Then, below that box with a RED marker, I wrote ” the privacy of the answers to the remainder of the questions are protected information under the 5th Amendment”. I then signed the form and mailed it. Identity theft is growing like an untreated cancer! Too many government computers have been hacked, lost, stolen, or sold, for me, or anyone else for that matter, to trust ANY government entity with ANY personal information. Government tyranny and abuse are the main reasons for the creation of the Constitution. HEY CENSUS BUREAU! Come knock on my door and see what happens…………

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    1. Jennifer

      This is one of the first respones that made scense to me. We want representation but don’t want to do the bare minimum to get it. The constitution asked for a head count that’s what they got. And like that has been mentioned before no mapquest (others) get it wrong but they have a pretty good idea of all your personal info already, they don’t need the cencus to get it.

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  8. Hard Tymes

    I got my little survey a couple of days ago, the only real question I will honestly answer is
    1 person living here. Every question after that is null & void! I happen to live in a large apartment complex. Let the Census folks figure out the other questions!
    The items I have the most trouble with are giving out my telephone number & date of birth.
    Question #2 should have the same answers as for Person #2.
    But then that all depends on how much personal information your willing to give.
    That proverbial knock on the door may not be to ask for answers, but to arrest me for the questions I didn’t answer. Let The Games Begin!
    1 Person lives here.
    Hard Tymes {Gmail}

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    1. longshotlouie

      Have the meds adjusted. Your tangents are becoming nonsensical.

      It’s a census, a count of people. What would be the purpose of the other questions?

      Focus

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  9. Karyn

    VERY interesting…..the data is supposed to be under lock and key for 72 years but then I found this.

    http://www.sc.edu/library/pubserv/gdcensus2000.html

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    1. Joseph Copsey

      There is no personal information revealed on this site. This is all aggregate data where you find information about South Carolina. How many people live in South Carolina, and are we going to need more roads, fire stations, police, hospitals? What percentage of the population is white, black, Hispanic, Asian? What is the education level? How many are in poverty, and is more social assistance going to be needed? Are there a lot of older people, and do we need more nursing homes? Are there a lot of younger people, are we going to need more schools? How else are we going to get this information if we ignore census forms?

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      1. longshotlouie

        A census is a head count to apportion representation. That’s it, nothing else. All of the other information is available in a myriad of other forms and is totally unnecessary for a census.
        What is so hard to understand?

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  10. Colt45- Professional CB'er

    On 3-17-10 I received my 2010 census form. Why is it okay for the government to send a form to my home, addressed to resident at [ omitted address ]? #5. says ” Please provide information for each person living here. Start with a person living here who owns or rents this house, apartment, or mobile home.If the owner or renter lives somewhere else, start with any adult living here. This will be Person 1. Last Name:
    First Name: MI:”.
    Since, this form was addressed to : Resident At, I have decided that this must be my name, because we all know that the Government is never wrong!
    Thank you, Colt45 – Professional CB’er

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  12. carol

    This census is nothing compared to this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Community_Survey

    This is 24 pages long and asks REALLY intrusive questions. If you don’t send it back they hound you. It states you are required by law to respond to the survey.

    Totally out of control!!!

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  13. Kilo

    According to the post of Title 13,Section 221-“Refusal or neglect to answer questions;false answers” I read that to mean 1) If you do not answer questions you may be fined no more than $100. 2)If you give false answers to questions you may be fined no more than $500. I think the comments of a $5000 fine are incorrect. I think this was derived by thinking 10 false answers @$500 each equals $5000.That is not what the Title says. On another note I saw an article on Yahoo face page today that talked about a study by professors at the University of Utah and University of Calif. that used census data to study immigrants and housing markets in various cities.Very interesting article. They were using 2000 census data. The article states “Still other question whether it is too soon to draw too many conclusions because of the heated political climate, the recent down turn in the economy, and the COMING 2010 CENSUS. I seem to recollect reading on the offical census web site that “By law the Census Bureau can not share respondents’ answers with ANYONE including the IRS,FBI,CIA or any other government agency.Maybe its ok for professors’ to utilize it? I will answer the body count question only. They can fine me the $100 for the refusal or neglect to answer the other questions. I personally think it will be the best $100 I ever spent.

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    1. JayBee

      http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/Title_13.txt

      -CITE-
      13 USC Sec. 8 01/05/2009

      -EXPCITE-
      TITLE 13 – CENSUS
      CHAPTER 1 – ADMINISTRATION
      SUBCHAPTER I – GENERAL PROVISIONS

      -HEAD-
      Sec. 8. Authenticated transcripts or copies of certain returns;
      other data; restriction on use; disposition of fees received

      -STATUTE-
      (a) The Secretary may, upon written request, furnish to any
      respondent, or to the heir, successor, or authorized agent of such
      respondent, authenticated transcripts or copies of reports (or
      portions thereof) containing information furnished by, or on behalf
      of, such respondent in connection with the surveys and census
      provided for in this title, upon payment of the actual or estimated
      cost of searching the records and furnishing such transcripts or
      copies.
      (b) Subject to the limitations contained in sections 6(c) and 9
      of this title, the Secretary may furnish copies of tabulations and
      other statistical materials which do not disclose the information
      reported by, or on behalf of, any particular respondent, and may
      make special statistical compilations and surveys, for departments,
      agencies, and establishments of the Federal Government, the
      government of the District of Columbia, the government of any
      possession or area (including political subdivisions thereof)
      referred to in section 191(a) of this title, State or local
      agencies, or other public and private persons and agencies, upon
      payment of the actual or estimated cost of such work. In the case
      of nonprofit agencies or organizations, the Secretary may engage in
      joint statistical projects, the purpose of which are otherwise
      authorized by law, but only if the cost of such projects are shared
      equitably, as determined by the Secretary.
      (c) In no case shall information furnished under this section be
      used to the detriment of any respondent or other person to whom
      such information relates, except in the prosecution of alleged
      violations of this title.
      (d) All moneys received in payment for work or services
      enumerated under this section shall be deposited in a separate
      account which may be used to pay directly the costs of such work or
      services, to repay appropriations which initially bore all or part
      of such costs, or to refund excess sums when necessary.

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    2. Joseph Copsey

      The professors are not using personal information from anyone. They are not looking at individual census responses. It is aggregate data. The census is how we know what we have in this country. We know the country is about 67% white, 15% Hispanic, and 14% black. How? It comes from census data. How does the poverty rate get set? From census data. How do we plan if we need more schools or more senior centers? We as a country look at census data. These questions are not some intrusion in our lives. These questions are absolutely necessary for the lives we lead.

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      1. Matt

        Then answer them. There’s nothing wrong or unconstitutional about the government asking questions like these, but they shouldn’t legally require you to answer. If you feel that answering the census questions is necessary for good governance, then fill it out, send it back in, and respect others’ wishes on the matter when they differ from yours.

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    3. Hard Tymes

      If “Big Brother” is going to give out fines of $500 or more for not answering questions in a truthful matter……..how are they going to know what questions you lied on?
      Hard Tymes on Gmail

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  14. Karyn

    I’ll be answering question 1 only. Come fine me.

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  15. ZooZ

    Question 1 on the Census form:
    1. How many people were living or staying in this house, apartment, or mobile home on April 1, 2010?

    English is not my first language but this is poorly phrased. It is specific for a day!

    If I am filling the form addressed to my place of residence but I intend to stay at a friend’s house on April 1, 2010, I should answer zero for this question.

    Any lawyers out thee?

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    1. Joseph Copsey

      Reply to Zooz
      For purposes of the census, the question is “where do you reside as of April 1, 2010.” If you are visiting somewhere, you are not living there. You are only visiting. You should be counted at the place you eat, sleep and live most of the time. There has to be a reference date for the census, and since 1930, it has been April 1 of that census year. If Grandma died on March 31st, she gets counted. If a baby is born on April 2, the baby is not counted.

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  16. Read the facts

    The abridged version of what’s asked for by Title 13 of the US Census.

    If you’re a criminal, they need to know your age, race, sex, color, literacy, etc.

    If you’re not a criminal they need to know the population count at your house, and possibly questions about your “housing”, but even that is a stretch.

    If you don’t answer the questions on the personal census, they can fine you $100. If you answer them wrong on purpose, they can fine you $500.

    Based on the new census and the above information, our government is trying to treat us like criminals.

    Full Title 13 is found here:
    http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/Title_13.txt

    ———- Relavant Sections of Title 13 my interpretations are based on ——————
    EXPCITE-
    TITLE 13 – CENSUS
    CHAPTER 3 – COLLECTION AND PUBLICATION OF STATISTICS
    SUBCHAPTER V – MISCELLANEOUS

    -HEAD-
    Sec. 101. Defective, dependent, and delinquent classes; crime

    -STATUTE-
    (a) The Secretary may collect decennially statistics relating –
    (1) to the defective, dependent, and delinquent classes; and
    (2) to crime, including judicial statistics pertaining thereto.

    (b) The statistics authorized by subsection (a) of this section
    shall include information upon the following questions, namely:
    age, sex, color, nativity, parentage, literacy by race, color,
    nativity, and parentage, and such other questions relating to such
    subjects as the Secretary deems proper.
    (c) In addition to the decennial collections authorized by
    subsections (a) and (b) of this section, the Secretary may compile
    and publish annually statistics relating to crime and to the
    defective, dependent, and delinquent classes.

    -EXPCITE-
    TITLE 13 – CENSUS
    CHAPTER 5 – CENSUSES
    SUBCHAPTER II – POPULATION, HOUSING, AND UNEMPLOYMENT

    -HEAD-
    Sec. 141. Population and other census information

    -STATUTE-
    (a) The Secretary shall, in the year 1980 and every 10 years
    thereafter, take a decennial census of population as of the first
    day of April of such year, which date shall be known as the
    “decennial census date”, in such form and content as he may
    determine, including the use of sampling procedures and special
    surveys. In connection with any such census, the Secretary is
    authorized to obtain such other census information as necessary.
    (b) The tabulation of total population by States under subsection
    (a) of this section as required for the apportionment of
    Representatives in Congress among the several States shall be
    completed within 9 months after the census date and reported by the
    Secretary to the President of the United States.

    (g) As used in this section, “census of population” means a
    census of population, housing, and matters relating to population
    and housing.

    -EXPCITE-
    TITLE 13 – CENSUS
    CHAPTER 7 – OFFENSES AND PENALTIES
    SUBCHAPTER II – OTHER PERSONS

    -HEAD-
    Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers

    -STATUTE-
    (a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or
    willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any
    other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce
    or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the
    Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his
    knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in
    connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I,
    II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to
    the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or
    farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not
    more than $100.
    (b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a)
    of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances
    described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is
    false, shall be fined not more than $500.
    (c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person
    shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his
    religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.

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  17. Concerned Citizen

    The full Title 13 governing the taking of the Census:

    http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/Title_13.txt

    It should be noted that everything I’ve read on the internet indicates that the Census Bureau has no authority to actually levy a fine. As a result they would need the cooperation of another department.

    As a result no one has been fined for not filling out a Census yet.

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  18. Concerned Citizen

    From the following Census website:
    http://2010.census.gov/2010census/how/questions.php

    Do I have to fill the form in?
    Yes, you are required by law.

    Law cited with a $100 fine, not $5,000 (See below)

    I think this $5,000 is an internet rumor and untrue.

    Ron Paul, I generally trust you. Please cite your source for the $5,000.

    —————————————–
    Title 13

    Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers

    (a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.

    (b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500. (c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.

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    1. librtyman

      http://www.census.gov/acs/www/SBasics/What/What1.htm heres the limk for the 5000 ..Ron Paul is not lying

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      1. Concerned Citizen

        This is the only reference to $5,000 in the title.

        As you can see from the description it clearly references people who WORK for the census. The fine of up to $5,000 has nothing to do with failure to answer the questions.

        ——————

        Whoever, being or having been an employee or staff member
        referred to in subchapter II of chapter 1 of this title, having
        taken and subscribed the oath of office, or having sworn to observe
        the limitations imposed by section 9 of this title, or whoever,
        being or having been a census liaison within the meaning of section
        16 of this title, publishes or communicates any information, the
        disclosure of which is prohibited under the provisions of section 9
        of this title, and which comes into his possession by reason of his
        being employed (or otherwise providing services) under the
        provisions of this title, shall be fined not more than $5,000 or
        imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

        http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/Title_13.txt

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  19. wondering

    When/where did the increase from the $100 fine to $5,000 happen?

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  20. Susan

    I am seriously considering some civil disobedience regarding the census. I believe that our president and congress are totally disregarding our constitution, and thus this violation of our privacy must be resisted. I do NOT want to have a visit from a census worker either. I wonder if there is a movement towards a class action suit to forbid the requirements for the invasive questions. Yes birth records are public records, but many states are making them private now because of identity theft. It is OUTRAGEOUS that the census asks for name and BIRTH DATE, yet doesn’t deal with the question of citizenship. Yet congressional districts will be based upon these numbers as if all people are citizens to be represented . . .

    With the insatiable power hungry nature of our government I don’t want to feed it with our private personal information.

    Yet with the hobby of genealogy I use census and other public records regularly. I have also found evidence of census taker error, and deliberate misinformation, the most common being how the women in my family tree tended to age slower than their husbands.

    Please, if anyone has the URL for actual statutory language regarding the requirements to give our personal information I’d like to check it out further.

    Cautious,

    Susan

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  21. raymond

    I remember in past census forms,and Maybe the 2010 form is similar,that on the back page it said that you can be fined $100,and later same page,nothing”legally”could be done against you.Now a fine is a legal action from an legal act by a court or authorised body,just as a parking ticket is a fine imposed upon a offender,and the fine was enacted by a court or authorised body upon an offender-it being a legal act/action.So if the current 2010 census says that nothing legally can be done against you,then how can a fine be imposed?I would like to know.Concerning the HealthCare Bill,is there coverage for theraphy,treatment,surgery,for those that are wanting or had a sex-change,but yet at same time deny treatment,care for an elderly 90 year-old world war 11 veteran?if so,that would be horrible-one should ask their member of Congress about this.

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  22. Revolution

    Stalin wanted to know where the kulaks (land owners) were so they could be massacred by the government. Hitler used demographic data to find and decimate Jews. Who knows how this census data will really be used against a certain group of US citizens in the future.

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  23. Don

    This goes far beyond than just a population count and giving money to communites. The census is gathering up information on its citizens and dividing them into groups. Remember when the government detained americans with japanese descent into internment camps? They can do just that with the collected information of every different group of people and especially with the gps tracking.

    Why are they enforcing a $5000 fine for refusing to reveal all your information? Its not because population count reasons or anything related to that. They government wants to instill fear and punishment into you. If you dont follow the goverment says, then you will be punished. $5000 fine is a big incentive to fill out the census. Not many families can deal with the burden of a $5000 fine. The government is essentially demanding that you comply with them or pay a fine.

    Im okay with just answering the question of how many people live in one home, but i dont know if it lawful for the government to essentially demand all of your personal information and background. Is there a law requiring you to put down all of your information?

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  24. Jeff

    Be Prepared! The great man Ron Paul has been warning us of what is to come. I am not a rich man and I buy silver for protection. The dollar is tanking and by this fallI think it will drop big time. Cash is trash and don’t get stuck holding it or you can use it for toilet paper
    http://www.MySilverBars.com

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  25. Ben

    “The not so subtle implication is that each group, whether ethnic, religious, social, or geographic, should speak up and demand its ‘fair share’ of federal largesse.”

    Funny…Ron Paul thinks that his district should get their “fair share” of government pork. He got an earmark for the Gulf Intercoastal Highway as well as to repair the Galveston Seawall and the Texas City Channel. All of which are unconstitutional, of course. Not that he cares.

    Ron Paul argues that he’s just getting his “fair share” for his constituents. But he’s actually getting more than his fair share. His 22 earmarks are more than any other Republican and more than anyone else in the Houston area delegation (Republicans or Democrats).

    The point I’m trying to make is that we’re in the mess we’re in because EVERYONE is just trying to get their fair share! Every Congressman wants to bring home a pet project, a defense contract, or something that involves a lot of jobs and money. And hey–the other guy’s doing it! Why should he get all of the money for his disctrict? I want some money for mine too, even if it amounts to a fleecing of the taxpayer.

    And Ron Paul is no different. In fact, he’s the worst of the worst. Please stop this bizarre worship of a very, very mortal man.

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    1. Fred the Protectionist

      So if I click that, will it give me malware, a virus, what?

      I wasn’t born yesterday.

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    2. Shane

      @Ben,
      You’re absolutely right when you call him out on the pork projects he obtains for his delegation Ben. That stain definitely leaves a smell when you approach him.
      Yet, he smellsl like a rose in comparison to the dripping, double dipped excrement covered congressman, senators, state and city legislatures, and every progressive crap salesman to put on a suit and lie through his teeth pushing collectivism.
      Who is it that you promote anyway? Please don’t bother telling me because after I read you’re insipid comment I imagined a giant void stamp slamming on your head cancelling your presence in the world of reason. I wish you the best as you kindly get out of our tent. Give Obama my best.

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  26. 55Apache

    I have been told, that the first question on the census form is “how many people live in this household”? Directly under that is the Gub’ment’s warning paragraph on not answering. Anything under THAT PARAGRAPH is not legal or Constitutional. I intend to to plead the 5th on the remainder of the questions……you all do want you want.

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  27. John

    This census should be interesting, as I cannot imagine even with this administration how they are going to enforce this ridiculous requirement to answer all questions. The constitution declares that for the purpose of enumeration you need only declare how many live in your household…..good luck Mr.Pres getting anyone with half a brain to go any further than that, $5,000 dollars be damned. I can see a supreme court case coming on this one

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    1. Joseph Copsey

      The census has been conducted every 10 years since 1790. It has always been an assessment of the makeup of the country. The census shows where we’re moving and what we look like. It has gone to the Supreme Court numerous times, and every time the court has ruled that the census and its questions are constitutional. This isn’t a political thing, it’s not a new thing, and it’s not being run by any political party. True, the U.S. Census Bureau is not a law enforcement agency, but falsifying a census form is now a federal crime (that’s where the $5,000 comes from) and could be prosecuted by the Justice Department. But why go through all that fuss and bother? The questions are actually quite important and not intrusive at all when you get down to it. But if you really, really think we’re heading the way of Stalin and Hitler, well, then no amount of information here is going to change your mind.

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  28. Census Staff

    Let’s be clear: the personal information you give to the Census Bureau is shared with NO ONE. There is no way for the IRS to use your census information against you, nor for your local government to check on whether you comply with zoning regulations. Your personal information is not shared with any law enforcement or government agency, not even with the President of the United States. In fact, just last week, the Department of Justice issued a letter reaffirming that not even the Patriot Act can interfere with the strong confidentiality protections guaranteed by the Census Act, or “Title 13.”

    It is true that the law makes it a crime not to answer the census and authorizes the courts to impose a fine of up to $5,000 for failure to respond. However, rather than rely on criminal charges, the Census Bureau prefers, and has been very successful in getting participation, by instead explaining the importance of the questions we ask and how the information benefits our communities.

    The 2010 Census is just 10 simple questions. The data collected through these questions are essential for determining our voice in our government and how our government allocates our taxpayer dollars.

    For more information on the questions, visit:
    http://2010.census.gov/2010census/how/interactive-form.php

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    1. longshotlouie

      If it is shared with ‘NO ONE’ then you don’t need the information.

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    2. Lindsey

      The information is shared with no one except other government people that compile the census. The only Constitutional purpose for conducting the census is to count the number of citizens to determine how much representation each state should receive in the US House. That’s it!!!!!!!

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    3. Bottomline

      It should also be required that members of congress to go back to school and learn the constitution! Also I wish that we didn’t have to answer certain questions in the census that we don’t want to like John said.

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  29. john staton

    I think by having all of Congress take and pass a test on the Constutition would eliminate a lot of the problems were having in Congress right now.

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    1. Fred the Protectionist

      You Libertarians should also have to pass a test on the Constitution before you start flapping your lips. For example:

      “OMG That’s unconstitution to have US troops patrolling US streets! OMG! OMG DOOMSDAY! OMG BLACK HELICOPTERS!”

      no it’s not, Posse Comitatus Act is an ACT, ACT, not in the Constitution. ACT’s can be repealed without scratching the Constitution. You fruitloop Libertarians.

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      1. Fred the Protectionist

        See my point, 8 Ronulans voted thumbs down for simply pointing out Constitutional Facts. Why? Because Libertarians are not Constitutionalists, they are just as manipulative as Liberals and Socialists. They ignore parts of the Constitution, and make up stuff that doesn’t exist, just like Liberals and Socialists. Libertarians are radical.

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      2. rightminded

        Act, huh? Like the Patriot Act every lefty in America has convulsions over?

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  30. john staton

    In order for congress to pass a bill shouldn’t the senators and representitives know what is or is not included in the bill of rights and the constitution and that they should be able to pass a test on what is contained in the constutition before they can even be trusted to write a bill and pass a bill. and shouldn’t the people running for senator or representive be tested , and pass a tested on what is in the constutition before they can be elected to office. also shouldn’t they know what laws are meant to leavied by the federal government and the state governments. i think a lot of the laws the federal government is trying to pass are meant for the state’s only. i think they should hold a class to teach what is included in the constutition for the state and federal government , and that should have to pass a test on the bill of rights and constutition before they can even qualify to vote on a bill.

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    1. Jennifer

      No they don’t have to pass anything to become a senator or congressman. Many are lawyers, they speak a fantastical laguage that the meanings of the words are interpreted to suit their situation at the moment.

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  31. longshotlouie

    Fred the Illiterate Deflectionist strikes again.

    He might be funnier than MattForrest.

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  32. ratmama

    Hey “fred the protectionist,” are you sure you didn’t mean “Goebbels”? Don’t you think you’d be wise to consult a dictionary instead of revealing how ignorant you are?

    “Gerbils…” Too funny! Maybe my pet rats would be proud, too! Thanks for showing people how dumb you are.

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    1. Fred the Protectionist

      :)

      Goebbels is a cliche, not a real person anymore, so it is GERBILS! You Libertarians have turned it into a cliche. The word means nothing anymore, words you Libertarians use mean nothing anymore.

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  33. Census Taker

    I am currently working for the 2010 US Census and also a Ron Paul supporter and District 14 constituent. Up to this point in the operations the focus has been on accuracy of locations to ensure maximum coverage for response to the Census questionnaires. We are beginning to reach a point where I will be expected to ask questions not pertaining to population count, but to demographic questions for allocation of monies to state and local communities. I have already decided I will not, in good conscience, be able to participate in the lines of questioning the Census asks. I have tried to find the law or clause that allows the Federal Government to fine respondents up to $5000 for incomplete forms or refusal to answering questions from the Census questionnaire. Is anyone familiar with where that can be found?

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  34. Kevin Smith

    Is the individual that goes by “Bottomline” who wrote the first comment retarded? Can someone explain to me what he/she is trying to say. Way “the” go? What the hell does that mean. If you’re going to make a comment, at the very least proof read it.

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    1. Grammar Bully Patrol

      Kevin, if the poster did actually have down syndrome, as you suggested, would you still play grammar bully? And buddy, you didn’t exactly proof read your comment either. Why don’t we introduce you to the comma? Learn to use it. Don’t be afraid! It is really quite normal to break up sentences with this punctuation mark to let the reader know you are pausing. Maybe something like: “Is the individual that goes by ‘Bottomline,’ who wrote the first comment, retarded?” or “If you’re going to make a comment, at the very least, proof read it.” While we’re at it, why don’t we teach you to use a question mark instead of a period, when asking a question? Maybe something like: “What the hell does that mean?”

      You are far from grammar perfection, as probably 99% of us are, including myself. This isn’t school. You understood what the poster was saying, but wanted to play grammar bully. Congratulations! You must be super proud of your comment. It, in no way, reflected on Dr. Paul’s writing and really, was more of a deterrent than the poster’s comment you were so adamant about.

      I understand my comment to you further deters readers, but I’m sick and tired of reading comments that all seem to consist of people bullying others regarding misspellings and grammar instead of commenting on what the topic is actually about!

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      1. Bottomline

        Retarded huh? Like you’re the ultimate grammar perfectionist huh “Grammar Bully Control”? “NICE CHEAPSHOT” BTW! You’re being the bully here! & thanks Kevin!

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  35. Bottomline

    This is another way for the Government to embaress us all about our personal information! Way the go Dr. Paul!

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