54 responses to “Ron Paul Exposes Obamacare on Freedom Watch”

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  2. cindy boua

    Ron paul offers no solution to the skyrocketing health care costs. I wonder if he has government sponcered health insurance ?

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  3. Jeff

    As for evidence of the aforementioned items. I am actually compiling them for you. Aproximately 20% of the adult population of the United States reads at a level below the fifth grade. The Economist. The number of checking accounts that drew out more than they had in their accounts is reported at the Fed. Last year it amounted to approximately 18% of the checking accounts had negative balances at least once in the year. A negative balance by definition suggests you wrote a check with no money in the bank. Otherwise known as not balancing your checkbook. And as for hourly workers for which there is the only data reports by employers (voluntary obviously) approximately 14% of the work force is later than 15 min to work at a scheduled time. This last stat I am currently hunting down as to its source. The federal government has blamed that on a myriad of social issues and transportation issues. I am very glad this does not depict your behavior.

    So what if we instituted a tax on you the non-tardy well educated and obviously educationally affectionate parent who balances his checkbook because others do not. Hmmm, sounds like current government policy.

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    1. Forest

      So, the point is, the average american can, and does, do all of those things – and as you had inferred in jest really only a tiny percentage cannot do any of them.

      Without quibbling too much (i.e. in no way does having a negative balance once in the year mean ‘cannot balance their checkbook’) none of those stats even amount to one fifth of the population. This means at least 80%-85% of the American population meets that criteria or are better.

      Being that a minority have a 1:5.5 and a 1:6 chance of meeting two of your criteria, and a subset of the population (parents) having a 1:5 chance AT MOST half of the population has ONLY ONE of those faults and NOT the other two while HALF of the population has NONE of those faults. Kinda changes the view of ‘average’ I guess…

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      1. Jeff

        Since I can see that you are a bit slow on this. The point of the exaggeration in my original post was to point up the fact that most Americans do live up to the requirements of being responsible. And though you took the bait, I was actually hoping that some of the dopey left wing folks would have jumped on the opportunity of agreeing that a nanny state is necessary, I would say that these data as displayed are small bits of a much larger picture. Number one among them is the failure to hold individuals accountable for their decisions in the current system. As for passing checks with insufficient funds that is commonly referred to as check kiting and if done often enough will end up getting you a not so comfy bed in jail…so balancing your checkbook appears to be a problem for a number of people but certainly not most. There is also the nagging fact that a person who floats a check for which there is no balance may have a higher probability of meeting the criteria of the other two, given that the other 2 apply generally to low income households. Covariance and correlation play a role, you seem to suggest these are all different rabbit holes. But alas they are probably not. The other item here is that these are statistics of legal US residents and not all residents of the US. There, the numbers get more meaningful.

        As I read your note it seems you like contrived arguments. So contrive this one away and please don’t forget the straw men, Obama never does.

        As well, there is that nagging fact that the US Government has been kiting checks so to speak as a policy for a number of years, but can print money to make up for the shortfall. Something households have not been able to do, but states have such as California’s experiment last year with IOUs have done.

        As per the rabbit hole you think I climbed out of. Please if I was in a rabbit hole I would have been smart enough not to save anything over the past ten years and live off of debt like so many Americans have done and then get the promise of no penalty for not covering my mortgage and enjoy the fruits of wide spread plans of mortgage forgiveness. Or perhaps not had my income destroyed by a Fed hell bent on destroying savings to try to recreate the debt boom all over again. Please rabbit hole, I think Perch would be more appropriate. As for education which you seemed to imply was low….I have a graduate degree in applied finance, a history and english degree, built 3 businesses sold 2 and closed the third by choice not through bankruptcy. Over my lifetime have employed 38 people fulltime and paid taxes every year with the exception of 2 since my 21st birthday. Total compensation for the government has averaged a little over 49% with no money down and no risk taken. Average return on capital for me slightly less than 20% over my lifetime pre-tax….post tax slightly less than 12% compounded. So when people ask me to consider paying more as this Congress has done through its taxes and subsidies to favored groups. I had one answer, thanks but no thanks…I’ll take my marbles elsewhere, where capital is treated better and those who create can get rewarded for the risks they take. And before you condemn my Capitalist leanings consider this, there is no free lunch! You cannot force me to work and you cannot force me to spend.

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  4. jeff

    I think Fred may be right. It appears to me that Obama may also be right. The average American cannot balance there own checkbook nor can they handle their own healthcare….They can’t even get themselves to work on time. They probably cant even help their fifth grader with their homework… So the right answer I believe is not to help them learn how to do it but punish those who do and ensure that all are bound to the government for their own succor. It is the only answer. Many people dont take responsibility for their own actions so it is the job of the few elites in society who know better than we on how to live our lives and can protect us from our own misguided priorities. Here here…to Fred and Obama. They know best for the rest of us.

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    1. Forest

      “The average American cannot ” “balance there (sic) own checkbook” “handle their own healthcare” “get themselves to work on time” “help their fifth grader with their homework”

      Before you discount my opinion, I actually do all of those things successfully, so CLEARLY I am in that ‘Minority Elite’ and am an ‘above average American’ by your definitions.

      That being said, this has to be possibly one of the most incorrect, jaded, and hysterical comments on the ‘average american’ I have seen. It has no factual basis and instead tries to pass opinion as some sort of judgmental truth.

      I have no idea where you work, who you know, or what you read, but you need to get out of your rabbit hole.

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      1. longshotlouie

        jeff, somehow MattForest missed the humor in your post.

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        1. Forest

          Funny Louie,I thought you would be agreeing with him? Or was this comment by you laced with ‘humor’ as well? Both bemoan the destruction and seek to explain the demise of the ‘average american’:

          Louie rants just yesterday:
          “You’re a puss that needs mommy gov to make sure that you have a safety net under your pansy ass every moment of every day. Pure and simple, you represent the feminization of the American male. Scared of competition and living in complete fear of the world around you.”

          Man, you must get awfully confused at times. It does happen though when trying to live in the rabbit hole that is Ron Paul’s world, so I understand.

          lmao

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          1. longshotlouie

            Ron Paul’s world? When did you become so infatuated with Ron Paul?

            Still unable to grasp jeff’s point, or just ignoring it?

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          2. Forest

            Louie: “Still unable to grasp jeff’s point, or just ignoring it?”

            Not big on the details are you… If you actually care to do more than listen to yourself drivel, see my response to Jeff that I left about two hours ago… I’ll give you a hint, it’s the one to Jeff that starts with “So, the point is”…

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          3. longshotlouie

            Was that a request for me to jump through a hoop?

            Non-responsive minutia does not qualify as details.

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          4. longshotlouie

            Again, when did you become so infatuated with Ron Paul?

            C P A C, [ring]

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        2. jeff

          Louie, Louie!!! I like Ron Paul because he understands the simple fact that most Americans want the government out of their own lives as well as their neighbors. What was that old phrase children should be seen but not heard. Perhaps the appropriate answer is Government should be an acknowledged evil but kept in a very small box.

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    2. jeff

      It was tongue in cheek…..so chill out. What I am disturbed by is the fact that much of the government actions over the past several years clearly address this problem. You, the American people are unable to read contracts you sign. Therefore, we will institute the lowest common denominator theory to our tort system and legal framework. Voila! The financial reform act! You are unable to make smart choices about the food and drink you put in your bodies! Voila! A tax to discourage it! You are too stupid to …… pick your subject. The government thinks you are too stupid to do much or that the 10% of the population that actually does demonstrate this behavior must therefore apply those rules to all. Rather than educate the 10% to behave more responsibly.

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  5. Fred the Protectionist

    Yes focus on jobs not health care. Lets see how many more jobs we can destroy with open-borders/free-trade.

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    1. longshotlouie

      Focusing on jobs as well as healthcare, as it will destroy even more private sector jobs with more government intervention.

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  6. Fred the Protectionist

    The US can survive socialized medicine, the US cannot survive destroying all jobs with open-borders/free-trade.

    It’s a matter of priority, as in, yours is screwed up.

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    1. Libertarian777

      well that has yet to be seen.

      Unfunded liabilities for medicare/medicare are on the order of $57.3 TRILLION.

      Remember, that is the estimated PRESENT VALUE of the unfunded liability (and I’m guessing thats if we use today’s ridiculous interest rates).

      I.e. the government would have to have $57.3trillion in cash, TODAY in order to meet all future commitments of these programs.

      Social Security is a bit ahead, 2010 is the first year Soc Security benefits exceeds the amount received from payroll taxes. The difference is suppose to come from the Soc Security fund… except there is no fund. Its all held in Treasuries.

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      1. Bottomline

        The bill that is now law will add more to our debt and my generation as well as the generations to come will continue to pay it off as a result.

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      2. Fred the Protectionist

        “Unfunded liabilities for medicare/medicare are on the order of $57.3 TRILLION.”

        Libertarians (neocons) are infamous for throwing out exaggerations.

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        1. Bottomline

          & let me guess Fred that you believe what your saying is accurate?

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          1. Fred the Protectionist

            What am I saying.

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          2. SS

            Good point, Freddie.

            What are you saying?

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        2. Libertarians777

          ok Fred do you even have a rudimentary education in Finance. At least Accounting 101 or Finance 101?

          http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-05-28-federal-budget_N.htm
          http://jec.senate.gov/republicans/public/_files/FinancingHealthCareExpansionwithSurtaxesonHighIncomesJuly302009.pdf

          From the government itself: (page 50)
          http://www.fms.treas.gov/fr/09frusg/09frusg.pdf

          Medicare Part A: $13.7 trillion
          Medicare Part B: $17.1 trillion
          Medicare Part D: $7 trillion
          Social Insurance – closed group: $52 trillion
          Social Insurance – open group: $45 trillion (i.e. if we include current contributors). we’ll take the open group to make it seem ‘less bad’.

          Total: $82.8 TRILLION
          Sorry I exaggerated with my $57 trillion. It should be $82.8 trillion.

          Next you’re going to tell me the National debt isn’t really $12 trillion and that i’m exaggerating, and added a couple zeros for ‘effect’.

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          1. Fred the Protectionist

            Libertarians, like you, have been making exaggerated claims ever since you poked your heads out from the aether in the 1970′s. What makes today any different.

            You’re the Global Warmists of economics.

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  7. Bottomline

    I think congress should be forced to read all pages of pieces of legilations they type and “We the people” hear what’s really in them and wether we approve of them or not.

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  8. kilo

    The threat of manditory health insurance means nothing to those who can not pay for it. There are millions of uninsured people who do not make enough to consider buying health insurance. In addition there are millions more being added to the ranks of the uninsured because of job loss. Mr. Achuthan from the Economic Cycle Reasearch Institute stated that 40% of the people who have recently lost their jobs and have been unemployed for 6 months or longer will be permanently unemployed. He stated “The economy does not want their skills.” A large part of this 40% is made up of manufacturing and construction related jobs. For this 40% their prime directive is survival- shelter, heat, food and praying they get a new job. They also can not consider health insurance. I lived in Arizona where the economic bust has been going on for 4 years. As people’s income shrank one of the first things they were forced to give up was health insurance. I guess all of these people I have mentioned can just write a check for there premiums that will bounce at the bank. Focus on employment first. Focus on how to spend that income second.

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    1. Terry

      Unemployment Here lies the problem: “The economy does not want their skills.” and most likely will not in the future. The US has moved from an industrial nation to a service industry. This has all come about because our business leaders have passed our industrial base to Latin America and Asia. Why? Cheap Labor and larger dividends for shareholders. Only problem is that just a small percentage of our labor force can afford to play the stock market. The little guys are as you say just trying to make a living. The US just doesn’t have that many job openings at Wal-Mart or McDonalds to employ all those skilled laborers that have lost their jobs. Retrain them you say. For what? So they can sling burgers. Folks the writing is on the wall-big business has sold America down the drain and there is no return. That’s why 1 per cent of the population controls 97 per cent of the wealth in the US.

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  9. DEANNA TILLEY

    Constitutional lawyer has read the entire proposed healthcare bill | Dr. Buttar’s Blog…
    http://www.drbuttar.com/blog/?p=1013

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  10. Norris Hall

    Oh my God!!
    It’s starting to happen.

    I called my doctors office the morning after Health Care reform and I got a recorded message saying that due to the government takeover of health care he was no longer seeing private patients and was being forcibly move to a huge governemnt medical building. I called My insurance company the person on the phone wispered that private health insurance had been eliminated and from now on I would have to call the health department for information about heath benefits…if there were any left.
    Frantic, I called the Pharmacy at our local supermarket . The clerk who answered the phone said that the pharmacy had being forced to close in an morning raid by the DEA and that all the pharmacists and drugs had been taken to the big government health care building . When I called my Catholic hospital a nun answered . Weeping hysterically she said that they had been shut down, all the doctor and nurses had been forced to become federal employees and all the old patients had been wheeled out on gurneys and left in the street to die….the death panels!!! My God!!

    Just one day after Armageddon, the sky is falling.
    Freedom is coming to an end.
    Life as we know it is finished.
    The Communists have taken over!!

    Oh God!!!

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  11. Chris

    Why is he attacking the only part of the whole plan that makes sense?! High-deductible health insurance is just a way for you to pay the expected costs of your healthcare, just as auto liability insurance is a way for you to pay the expected costs of damages you cause to others while driving. Hospitals HAVE to treat you if you get sick. Uninsured people who get sick either apply for Medicaid or declare bankruptcy – THESE options are SOCIALISM. Not having insurance until you get sick is no different than being on Medicaid! Forcing people to buy insurance is forcing them to be financially responsible for themselves. Fight every other aspect of the bill, but this portion makes sense! Since when did Ron Paul start appealing to people who want free rides?

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  12. Bottomline

    Thank You Dr. Paul for drafting legislation to stop this administration from forcing us to buy healthcare that’s not going to work for us. Because what has been done has gone way too far with this.

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  13. Dianne from Canada

    I was sorry to see the passage of Obama’s healthcare bill. Welcome to the world of crippling taxes with limited value for people who work to pay those taxes. (And anyone who thinks these costs can be contained is a fool.) Welcome to the world of waiting on dirty chairs in doctor’s reception rooms with lots of other sick people and waiting months for treatment, even when you are seriously ill. Welcome to the world where seniors are accomodated not cured (this is based on my parent’s experience). The only benefit is that you will become so scared of falling into the health care system that you will become more likely to eat well, take vitamins, exercise, maintain healthy weight, quick smoking, etc.
    Like most people, I don’t like to see people going bankrupt or dying, especially in richer countries, because they can’t afford healthcare and I think most of us would be willing to have some of our taxes go towards this iniative. However, I’ve always thought that, for Canadians, publicly funded or low cost clinics, with doctor’s who obtained their degree partly through public funding agreeing to work part-time there for a number of years, volunteers from the area, input from pharmaceutical companies, etc., would be a better answer with a greater ability to control costs. Having to wait for hours for care would also make some people think twice before marching into doctor’s offices with every ache or cough, demanding physio, tests, etc. (When you’re working, if the doctor says there’s a test you can take, or physio may help, unless you really need it, you’re often unlikely to take it because of the demands of your job on your time. The unemployed have no such parameters.) People without jobs have the time to wait a few hours for the care they need while the rest of us would be able to buy insurance, either through our employment or on our own, that would give us cleaner facilities and more timely care. Would the uninsured get the same standard of healthcare? Probably not. But they would get basic care if they were sick and the incentive to earn enough money to afford the kind of care they want, if they really want it. In Canada I can choose where I want to live, where to send my child to school, what kind of car to drive, etc. but I cannot choose my level of healthcare. In Canada, the middle class (the hanging fruit) pays for Cadillac treament but is forced to ride the bus.

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  14. Barry

    Ron, thank you for having the guts to stand up and say what we the people feel.

    Obama really is going beyond what is constitutional and also in foreign affairs seems to have more time for our enemies than our closest allies.

    Why is he trying to communicate with Iran and Syria while abandoning Israel?

    Thanks again Ron,

    Barry

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  15. We Refuse

    http://www.werefuse.com/
    Tell your state legislators and governor’s that you refuse to recognize the Unconstitutional national health care law. Tell them that you will not be forced by the federal government to buy a good or service from a company. You are not a slave to the government or to any other American. Tell them that you will not be strong-armed by the Federal Government and that your State must nullify the forced national health care mandate. Tell them to call for an Article 5 Convention.

    Sign the petition to your state legislators now. Tell everyone you know to join us as We REFUSE!

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  16. F

    John, I say that if the system is complicated a lot more problems accumulate. So why not approach people for support or rejection of a given legislation with actual facts?

    Example: this is the system (a, b, c), this is how much is spent in each main sector during x years, for this many people, for this and that service and employing this many people. Money used came from these sectors (private donations, taxes, etc). And during that time those conditions improved/worsen/did nothing to the main health problems.

    Why not?

    A basic communication tool so that politicians and the population can decide on critical legislations without much collateral damage in the process. Using the same reference.

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  17. P R O P A G A N D A W E R K S

    I can’t believe the American people can’t put up a better fight than this. Throwing bricks through windows whether contrived or a real issue is absolutely meaningless. If it’s not clear by now, unless the people organize and use our numbers against them peacefully OR otherwise… they will continue to do the work not in the best interest of the people.

    Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. – H.L. Mencken

    http://www.propagandawerks.wordpress.com

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  18. longshotlouie
  19. john

    F,

    What form would you envison this “brief snap shot” taking? I agree that people need to understand our current complicated system in order to see that we are NOT currently operating in a free market system. Those who lend credence to this legislation don’t understand why the system is broken and they need to because it will become immediately obvious that we’re headed in the absolute wrong direction.

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  20. F

    Citizen, thanks for the reply.

    That still leaves the question of the efficiency of the HSA vs insurance: what can cover, where, who can have enough for either. Any real life statistics on it? that should be part of the snap shot of the health care system readily available to the general public.

    Now, you are talking to the wrong person about ‘genes’, though lots of people find it fashionable to talk about it, but I’m guessing that they are part of the game of keeping up with health, we just have to find out how they really play the game within the whole context of life. It’s the real ‘clincher’, but you know that politics got in the way, obnoxious self-proclaimed geniuses are making all kind of irresponsible comments, and the nightmares from previous human atrocities are chasing the wrong people with all kind of assumptions of genocide and evil motivations.

    So maybe the word ‘gene’ may have to be dissociated from the meaning attached to ‘genocide’. Or properly demonstrated when genocide is taking place. Something like that.

    Society needs and rightfully deserves a better world, and economic system, be it local or global.

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  21. Jeff

    The issue with national healthcare legislation is obviously complex, it doesn’t need to be addressed in the manner the Congress has chosen to address it. The largest and most complex issue is a complicated economic theory of separating disequillibriums created when competitors in the insurance industry in particular can separate there customers by risk. Imagine 2 car insurance companies. ABC insurance offers insurance using an expected claim rate across all of its drivers. XYZ a new entrant wants only good drivers (think GEICO). As the legacy insurance companies prices its risk across an average of good and bad drivers, it has by definition a subsidy running from good drivers to bad. In other words the rate paid by good drivers would be lower if they had the opportunity to go to a pool of insureds that were only good drivers. Likewise, the rate paid by bad drivers is lower than they would pay if they were only in a bad drivers pool.
    So instead of using the term drivers think of healthiness. The problem is more acute though since good health is not just behavioral it is genetic. We cant as a nation say I dont want to subsidise that fat guy cause he deserves the health he gets from his behavior. Why? Because it was not necessarily that persons choice to have genetic flaw. Much of this debate flows on as if we have a choice about the outcomes. I suspect genetics is 60% and behavior is 40% of your health, but there is no difinitive answer on this as I have spent a good deal of time researching it.

    So how do we treat all people fairly and deliver a system capable of dealing with this unique unevenly distributed genetic component? Do we just accept that some will be ill more often and they will have to bear the costs of this. Or do we try to blind the system to their illnesses by requiring insurers or others to cover them. This is also the issue with allowing people to opt out of the system. It is a signalling device to insurers. However, it may also be a sign of people who are not appropriately calculating the risks of illness as they cannot determine their genetic weaknesses. I am not suggesting here that anyone in Congress or the Whitehouse can do that either. They are as clueless.

    The next issue is how to provide basic care to ensure people take care of themselves to avoid costly complications later in life. We could say no need, it is in the persons best interest to do that for themselves. We could say as Dems have said that that is in the national interest. I do not believe it is necessary to take that tack. Most people if offered the opportunity would insure themselves because they are aware that health is not reliable at any age…but even less so at old age. Hence the creation of Medicare. Bad things happen despite the best intentions. It is as appropriate to healthcare as it is to legislation that attempts to deal with it.

    The strongest objection I have to the legislation is the uneven distribution of the costs of the system and the benefits. But I would appreciate anyones feedback on this as a primer on a discussion.

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    1. jeff

      Clarification to my post. I tried to edit using the edit function but for some reason was not permitted. In the discussion of the 2 car insurers, I erased by error what happens. XYZ Insurer, since it only wants good drivers underprices ABC aggressively and takes the good drivers away. It is only a short while before ABC goes bankrupt because its pricing is skewed by a bad mix of recently departed good drivers and the bad drivers they had before. This is precisely why a government run program as a competitor was a very bad idea. Likewise the highrisk pool the government intends to run this year is also a very bad idea as the cost of that program will surprise even the highest estimate as New Jersey experienced in their high risk drivers pool in the 1980s and 1990s.

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  22. Allison Sears (I don't care if they come after me - I'm reaady for a good fight!)

    I am so very upset at The Health Care law past. It is absolutely horrible. I really wonder how many senators or representatives actually read the bill, and if they didn’t read it, why were they allowed to vote on it? Alex Jones actually read from several pages of the actual bill and it was HORRIFYING!
    If any of the Congressmen had even read to pages 275-325, they would have gotten the gist of the bill: it will harm The People – all people! It is all set up to tax us into debt. So many taxes, that it is “mind boggeling”! Pages! The one agency that will force all of this: THE IRS! In the Health Bill, the IRS will be able to take money out of you checking account – at any time! You will have no say. If you don’t pay enough on your insurance or your drugs, the IRS will fine you and tax you! They will check up on you to see if you are taking your meds!
    You can only go to a registered doctor (one on the list of the government and IRS), and you will have to take whatever drugs that doctor deems you need. Even if you don’t like the drugs (you are afraid of the reactions to the drug), you must take the drug. If you are depressed because you lost your job, home, spouse, children….you must be put on anti-depressent drugs, and you will have no say – you must take them wheather you like it or not! This goes for all other drugs too.
    It started out that the Insurance companies wanted a fine of $5,000 for anyone that doesn’t get the insurance, that is shy the insurance companies were “against” the Health Care Bill – many senators said that was way too much. So now it is only about $2,000.
    Everything will be dictated: how long you can see the doctor, how long you can stay in the hospital, the length of time you can have physical therapy, or anything! You have no choice and the length of time is not really long enough for you to recover.
    What is really sad is that many doctors will be leaving the profession – right when we really need them! We have food that has Genetically Modified chemicals and viruses being placed right into the seeds, so that you can’t wash off the chemicals – you are eating a PESTICIDE SANDWICH! Then there is the air: Chem Trails. Water: There are Pharmaceutical and pesticides and everything that Monsanto put into the water! That is why I say we really need Doctors – we have to because we are becoming so sick! Just listen to all of the TV adds – it makes you sick!
    Then there is Splenda: it’s base is DDT and PCB’s. Great! Aspartame: It breaks down into Methanol, then Formic Acid, then Formaldehyde. So, everytime you eat anything “Diet”, you are putting formaldehyde into you!
    Aspartame is in chewing gum, drinks, food…600 things!
    Our health care depends on us being healthy! Is that smart or what! Now restrictions will apply to our VITAMINS AND MINERALS. We won’t be able to go to a homeopathic – natural doctor or a nutrition center for help! Forget the gardens of Organic Food!
    That is why we are so sick! We need help! Help to be able to be healthy and strong so that we can help ourselves and our great country.
    We must stay away from: GM foods, Splenda, and any Aspartame products (what is really bad is that they make you want more and more – so you aren’t dieting!).
    Then there are the restrictions on the doctors – that is why I said that many doctors will be leaving the profession! In the bill it says that: all doctors will be paid the same. No doctor has a voice to refute anything that the IRS or government tells them to do! They will have paper work that is astounding! So many restrictions!
    All in all The Health Care Bill…….will ruin our health and destroy us economically.
    Did I mention UnConstitutional????? To force us to buy from a profit – company that is in the marketplace and not a part of our government?
    Please read the Constitution: Norton vs Shelby County 118 US 425 p.442: “An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.”
    Any law that goes against The Constitution isin reality NO LAW, it is NULL AND VOID! No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.”
    This law that President Obama signed is: Null and Void because it is totally Un-Constitutional in every way!

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    1. Citizen

      Have faith Allison, all is not lost and the people will repeal this nightmare legislation but it will take a few years.
      Not to mention that the added Taxes and Inflation will likely terminate it too.

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    2. jeff

      Allison. I cant stand the bill either it is merely a redistributionist vehicle for the Obama Administration. However I just want to clarify something in you post. Splenda is a sugar molecule (yes real sugar) married to chlorine. The chemical bind locks out your bodies ability to process the sugar. It is not like cyclamates or anything else similarly potentially dangerous like aspartame. I do not have any affiliation with any of these products but am a life long diabetic and can tell you Splenda or Stevia are life savers for those of us who control Carbs.

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  23. F

    I don’t know if you actually read comments in this type of blog, I mean other than to use it as a poll for political reasons.

    So, about the subject presented:

    -No, no imposition is wanted, specially in an essential field as health care. So viable and real options are needed. Curious is that they can’t be worked out for the benefit of millions

    But I wonder why is insurance even necessary? is it economical reasons, or public health issues under consideration, or a tradition that provides employment and gathers money at an early stage and then is returned when the ‘predicted risk shows up, or just simply a fist fight between parties and the important unknown leaders behind each. Sounds too naive and risky what I just wrote, but it gets directly to the matter.

    -Insurance is really like a saving account that keeps money according to a certain assigned risk, and it grants you coverage of expenses beyond your reach when the need rises. Because that needed service is too expensive.

    Correct???

    Why are these extraordinary services soooo expensive? if quantity and quality of that service is increased it should make it accessible, affordable, and keep employment going. So why not put that money from insurance directly and early into industry, education/training, and manufacture there rather into an office that assesses mainly theoretical risks of people and patients, and then charges a bill.

    It seems more of a way to gather money ahead of time, and maybe reinvested in the health field.

    Or simply due to need to control of a large portion of the budget or/and the power derived from it.

    A brief snap shot of the complicated health system will be most useful for the general public. Where do I find that???

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    1. Citizen

      F,
      Insurance IS a quasi Forced Savings account, in the absence of being frugal and/or rich.

      Humans gamble, live recklessly, over-eat, over drink, or simply have bad genes, so insurance simply supplements savings and lowers the overall risk of survival.

      Conservatives believe we should “conserve” some of our income and set it aside into a Health Savings Account (HSA) for unforeseen catastrophes.
      Libs despise savings, therefore they oppose people trying to be Responsible or Independent (savers). Libs promote Entitlements “Right to Health Care” (spend thrifts) and total Dependency.

      Margaret Thatcher said it correctly, eventually you run out of other peoples money too.
      Saving is everyone’s RESPONSIBILITY!!!

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      1. Libertarian777

        the problem with Keynsian economics (also see Paul Krugman), they firmly believe that if people want to save, then the government must SPEND for them, to get economic growth going.

        They forget its ‘nominal’ growth that you end up seeing, not real growth.

        Just because everyone in Zimbabwe has $100 trillion (ZIM), does not make them rich.

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  24. Ryan

    I’m glad Ron Paul is going to try to stop the mandatory purchase of Health insurance with directly targeted (single page) legislation.
    .. Wouldn’t it be nice if ALL legislation was single page legislation? That way everyone could understand what is being proposed, always. No more slick back room deals that go unnoticed or drowned out by other even more controversial back room proposals.
    Keep up the great work Dr. Paul!

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    1. Citizen

      You bet it would be great to Keep It Simple Stupid [Congress] (KISS) but Libs love the fabricated complexity, they don’t want to understand it and its easy to hide all the lies and dirty details. Just look at the MASSIVE MESS that’s unfolding as begin reading and unraveling this disastrous ObamaBomb

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      1. Ryan

        Yeah, there really ought to be Constitutional limits to control Pork in legislation. That’s what really bothers me the most is the totally unrelated crap that goes into most legislation. FUBAR partisan packages. Infuriating!
        There should also be some sort of reasonable limit on complexity; divide the bill into multiple bills if it can’t be written in, say, 100 pages max. There’s really no need for more than that on any one issue, no matter how complex the issue is inherently. One page Bills should be the goal. Simple is better.

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        1. Libertarian777

          do you actually think Congress…
          a. READs the legislation they passing
          b. DRAFTs the legislation they propose?

          They do neither. It’s their staff that do it, they read the summary and assume its ok.

          I doubt any politician read all 2000 pages in this bill, or can even comprehend its impact (beyond nice photo ops)

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          1. Ryan

            Of course they don’t read it. Or, care what it says or does to the people. The bills they pass never effect themselves, unless it’s a pay raise.
            Principally speaking they should be required to read all legislation they vote on.
            If that were made a law, suddenly bills would go from thousands of pages of lobbyist wish list jibberish to one page bills. They’re to lazy to read more than that.
            Anyway it would be more for the benefit of the people to have short legislation… For the sake of their understanding of what is being passed. Nobody knows what is being passed because it is a hodge podge of special interests from multiple sources, and multiple writers. As a result it’s always FUBAR, regardless of intent.

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