68 responses to “Mitt Romney wins 2010 SRLC straw poll by one vote over Ron Paul, 439-438”

  1. Aram

    Roooooooooooooon Paaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuul 2012

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  2. hello my name is "suck it"

    Ron Paul has way too extremest veiws to actually win the primary. on top of that the republican hierarchy doesn’t support him

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    1. It Doesnt Have To be Like This

      You say ron paul ha way too extremist type view to wib the primary? Well guess what buddy, we need extremist views to save this country and turn it around.
      If we choose any other canidate it will be the same path were hwading thru now with obama.
      In order to stop that from happening we need to vote an extremist inyo the office. We need to vote for the person with the opposite views as obama.
      In all honesty the fairest way to judge an canidate is to view theyre votin history and what the hve stood for and stoood against thru out there ‘career’.
      Ronpaul has never voted against the constitution.

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  3. Carson

    @Fred: when a country produces lower quality products at a higher expense, its and other countries’ citizens have less incentive to buy those products. Pretending our $30 t-shirt (made no better than the $5 t-shirt from China) is a viable, profitable product will not change the fact that it is economically irrational for a consumer to buy the American made shirt.

    The solution is not to bury our head in the sand, pretending all is well, and then keep buying failing American products at higher cost than is needed. The solution is to switch industries. America switched from an agricultural industry to a manufacturing industry in the early 20th century; we can switch from a manufacturing to a service industry here in the early 21st.

    The invisible hand of the market will guide the economy. Spending thousands more on a car that will not last as long as a cheaper one will not save the faltering American economy; instead, you are allowing cancerous businesses to exist in what could be an otherwise healthy system.

    Ron Paul has the right idea. Although I have serious doubts about it happening, I hope he wins the republican primary. I don’t think any other candidate could defeat Obama…I certainly wouldn’t vote for any other republican candidate.

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  4. 1111cb

    this is in reply to Sincerus- you hit on one of the ways statistical data is misused. I appreciate you reporting the data with the explanation.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/lm_health.php
    this is the link to fact check lobby influence

    When you contribute to a campaign- you have to list your employer so if a candidate is appealing to many in the Army- individuals with no coordinated effort will donate. Its not an industry lobby, it just means that a candidate is popular with a particular profession or employer.

    When Ron Paul starts appealing to large groups- and getting donations- watch the media and call them on the misuse of labelling this as lobyy money.

    Sincerus wrote:

    “If presidential candidates are representing special interest groups,
    maybe they should be like NASCAR with the little patches on the back”
    Tom Dobbs, Man of the Year (2006)

    And the you can check out the poster here…

    http://libertyposter.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/composite41.png

    Interesting to note, that according to opensecrets.org, Ron Paul’s top three campaign donors in the 2008 election were from the:

    US Army
    US Navy
    US Airforce

    The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization’s PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals’ immediate families”

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  5. faithkills

    I was there and although I do kick myself for not just talking to two more people, I don’t think it would have made a difference. I suspect Mit was in the bag, and they only made the win by one vote so c4l folk wouldn’t complain too much.

    As a teabagger also, I can tell you it will be a problem for the GOP if they try to push the guy behind Romneycare on the nation.

    To hell with that noise, it’s not Romney’s ‘turn’. It’s time for it to be America’s turn.

    I’ll vote for a honest fasciocrat before another progressive GOP who ends up voting big government when they get in anyway. I mean FFS, ROMNEY?!

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    1. 1111cb

      This is the Republican Leadership conference, not the people voting.

      The leaders will decide who is the candidate unless there is a real campaign to let the people decide who will be the candidate.

      Review last elections process- ask yourself a lot of questions about how well that process represented the average American’s Republican choice, when most had no chance to participate in the decision.

      If there is not reform now, Ron Paul will not be the candidate. He doesn’t follow the “party line”

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  6. Bottomline

    I like to see Romney and the other Neo Cons running for president get revealed for the frauds that they are. Dr. Paul didn’t take the easy way out. He stood up for principles and real freedom.

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  7. David Aiello

    Is it just me, or does anyone else find it strange that the margin was 1-vote?

    As opposed having won, losing by 1 vote takes an enormous amount of media coverage away from Paul, and is a big boost for Romney. The republicans are obviously aware of this, and could have easily manipulated the ballots to get “their guy” in the headlines.

    Am I alone in questioning the validity of the results?

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    1. carol

      This IS strange indeed. Methinks the jew neocons and other manipulators of the truth are starting to get scared. They don’t like the idea of anyone who isn’t donning a yarmulke and dancing around a menorah getting anywhere near the Whitehouse…. Sadly I think that Romney is a phoney. He is a prototype of Obama. Good looking, photographic family, Mormon (now there’s a vote we need) and it seems that when he opens his mouth a bucket load of verbal diarhea spills forth so fluidly that the public just want to hear it. Another AIPAC stool pigeon. RON PAUL for PResident PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

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  8. Kale R.

    Romney BOUGHT his votes, js. The clear winner was Dr. Ron Paul..

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  9. Where are the age details?!

    Notice how with the CPAC poll they were quick to dismiss Pauls win with saying how the majority of the votes were young kids (whatever the hell that means…like kids have no say…WTF) but with the Rommney win no details are put out.

    Where are the results of all of the other questions, not just the 1st 2 questions on the ballot.

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  10. Brett Turson

    The GOP needs to realize that they won’t win with Romney, or any other neocon they put up. Ron Paul’s following is huge and loyal, and they hate both the repubs and dems. Romney supporters just hate dems. Romney would get 0 Ron Paul supporter votes, but Paul would get the majority of Romney votes. The GOP needs to realize if they nominate anyone but Paul, Obama will win again.

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    1. BlackOp

      I am convinced the Republican Party rather have Obama win then Ron Paul to get in, because in essence they are all Socialists, Welfare and Warfare..and hypocrites…

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      1. Kale R.

        It seems, then, the only way Paul will see the presidential ballot is as a third party. It is unfortunate, however, how the American people see third parties.. most of the dim wits in this country will say, “if he’s not for my party.. he’s against it. If he’s not for their party.. he’s against them.” but what they won’t understand is Ron Paul is the ideal answer for both parties.. and that, my friend, would create an indivisible white house and congress.

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        1. 1111cb

          Not this time.
          A Third Party candidate from a politician with a REAL track record as an outsider in a country fed up with both parties- may win. The majority of this country no longer identifies with the democrats or republicans, and many are only loosely in the fold.

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      2. Ryan

        Perhaps that is true, BlackOp.
        But if we can kick enough of the neocons out of office in November this year, then that may change. If it changes enough, the remainder in office may see they have no option but to endorse Ron Paul, or they too will be booted out when they are up for re-election.
        We’ve heard it before, and it is true, “Elections matter.”.
        2010 is an important election. We need to clean house of all neocon incumbents up for re-election. Send them a strong warning, just like Massachusetts did when they filled Kennedy’s seat with the Republican, Scott Brown. We can do the same to the neocons if we all vote.
        These are Liberty candidates that are running for office in 2010 (There may be more I don’t know of. this is from the list at the bottom right of the home page, here):

        Adam Kokesh for Congress
        Debra Medina for Governor
        Peter Schiff for Senate
        Rand Paul for Senate
        RJ Harris for Congress

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    2. Fred the Protectionist

      “Ron Paul’s following is huge and loyal”

      Small and loyal. Get real.

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      1. Berg

        Agreed, BlackOp. I think the Republican and Democratic parties both are too far in to save ‘em. Maybe they should both use the jackass logo?

        As to Fred………………………………………………………………. Dude.

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        1. Lisa

          LOL Berg. Here’s another good one I found on the yal website:

          “Congressmen should be required to wear NASCAR style jumpsuits to help Americans better identify their corporate sponsors.”

          Pure genius I tell ya! Spread it everyplace you go :)

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          1. Sincerus

            “If presidential candidates are representing special interest groups,
            maybe they should be like NASCAR with the little patches on the back”
            Tom Dobbs, Man of the Year (2006)

            And the you can check out the poster here…

            http://libertyposter.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/composite41.png

            Interesting to note, that according to opensecrets.org, Ron Paul’s top three campaign donors in the 2008 election were from the:

            US Army
            US Navy
            US Airforce

            The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization’s PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals’ immediate families

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      2. Citizen

        To Fred the P.

        Fred, you support Pat Buchanan, clearly you ARE NOT SERIOUS!

        How about Hillery?

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        1. Fred the Protectionist

          Pat Buchanan got over 3 times more votes then Ron Paul in the Republican Primaries.
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          Citizen, you support Ron Paul, clearly you ARE NOT SERIOUS!

          How about Timothy McVeigh? He’s a Libertarian.

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  11. Don

    I’m a registered Democrat. I used to be a registered independent. Just an FYI I will vote for Ron Paul and support him financially but not Mitt Romney, Sara Palin ETC. If you want my vote then think about who you choose. Most conservatives do not get it. I voted for Obama I regret that choice. But with that said I will not vote for any candidate who is main stream Republican. I am sorry but I mistrust them even more than the Democrats. I guess what I am is a truly ticked off Libertarian. But it seems we cannot get a candidate on either major party I agree with.

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    1. Jonathan

      Ron Paul 2012 !!! There is no other choice.

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    2. Lisa

      Right on Don! Nice to see real people like you round the net :)

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    3. Citizen

      Don…
      Ron Paul makes sense when he talks,
      he doesn’t tell you what you want to here, rather what you NEED to hear.

      Even McCain’s “straight talk express” was neither.

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  12. iceguy

    I have to admit that Ron Paul is becoming a more attractive choice for me. I have had issues with his libertarian stance on some things, like drug laws, but the more I listen the more I realize he is correct. I am encouraged that the young people are with him, but they don’t vote in enough numbers to get him elected. How do you get him elected when nearly half the people get more from the gov’t than they pay in? How do you get minorities especially to realize that all the slanted support for all the gov’t programs in their behalf will ultimately ruin the nation?

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  13. alex

    The Republican party is obviously split. If things keep up like this we will have a Democratic president again in 2012.

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    1. Ryan

      Principaled supporters of the Constitution aren’t going to budge one inch. So it is up to us to get the neocon supporters to realize that corruption and economic corporate selfishness is no longer an option. We are bankrupt because of their approach. They need to come back to the right of center and embrace limited government and fiscal responsibility.
      Failure is not an option.
      We can not survive any more fiscal liberals.
      We can not survive any more open-ended wars.
      We can not survive any more illegal aliens.
      … We can not survive any more neocons or liberals!
      … So the GOP better just accept the facts and rejoin those of us that truly are conservative. We will not budge an inch!
      I will write Ron Paul’s name on my ballot no matter who the GOP ultimately nominates. Never, never I tell you, will I ever vote for a neocon. Never!

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    2. iceguy

      Alex,
      The party can be united if we don’t fall for the lies the current repub leaders propogate. It’s not about unity, it’s about being right!

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      1. Fred the Protectionist

        “, it’s about being right!” That’s right, and Libertarians are wrong.

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  14. Spaghetti Monster

    Thank you for reporting the truth: Mitt Romney won.

    I was disappointed to see these headlines at other pro-Paul sites:

    Daily Paul: “SRLC Straw Poll Results: Paul & Romney Tie for First with 24%

    LewRockwell.com: “Romney Celebrates Near Loss to Ron Paul

    If Ron Paul had won by a single vote, no pro-Paul site would claim that Paul and Romney were tied for first place or that Ron Paul celebrated his near loss to Mitt Romney!

    Just because the mainstream media is propagandizing Romney’s win as a “sign of the former Massachusetts governor’s strength as a 2012 presidential candidate” while ridiculing Paul’s CPAC win as “an unscientific sampling that only offers bragging rights”, doesn’t mean we Paulites have to do the same. I’m convinced we are better than that.

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  15. Danny

    Romney is an easy target for true conservatives.

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  16. Zorro

    Fox News, CNN and CBS News all reported that 1,806 ballots were cast. But the votes only add up to 1,764: http://www.w-r-s.com/blog/2010/04/10/srlc-2012-presidential-straw-poll-results/

    Are you telling me that out of 1,806 ballots cast, only 1,764 people actually voted? 42 people cast a ballot but didn’t vote?

    What would be the point of submitting an empty ballot?

    Here’s a sample ballot, it only has 3 questions on it so why would anyone submit a blank one?

    http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/srlc_page1-thumb-400×543.gif

    A single vote could have changed the outcome, and it looks like 42 ballots were either empty or simply not counted!!

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    1. Berg

      Hmmm that’s interesting.

      Well I guess this proves some people still don’t know how to fill in the bubbles right!! (Florida voters, maybe?? Just kidding)

      If this straw poll was done over the phone I could see someone not making up their mind at the time. If this is the case, maybe they could still count the ballot but not allow a vote cast…? Just a theory.

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  17. BB

    This is a great victory for Ron Paul even tough he didn’t win. We learned several important things today:

    Every vote counts! Every single one of them.

    We’re #2 so we have to try harder. Much harder.

    Romney knows how to play the game. We must counter his dollars with our enthusiasm.

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    1. Berg

      I don’t know what people see in Romney. Wouldn’t trust that guy for the time if he had a clock stuck to his face.

      You’re right, we need to keep at it.

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  18. Danny

    go Ron Paul go, this may spread our message better than outright winning. we will always continue our fight for liberty and a weak centralized government whoooo.

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  19. Lindsey

    Romney is an idiot! I would rather vote for some of the Dems than him. I would vote for Dr. Paul of course but I also really like Huckabee. He is kind of like Paul. You may not agree with Huck’s viewpoints but at least you know you are getting an honest answer! Romney, on the other hand, is the king of Flip-Flop. Ron Paul’s greatest asset is that people KNOW where he is coming from and he leaves no doubt! Like Huck, you may not agree with Paul but you know where he’s coming from!!!!

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    1. Fred the Protectionist

      Yes Ron Paul is consistent, even if you disagree with him.

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  20. Dfens

    How ironic, Ron Paul called Obama “a corporatist,” which apparently means the president takes “care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country.” Sounds very much like fascism to me, but, of course, the fascist epithet has been over used to the point of having no meaning now. Most likely a tactic of the fascists.

    I wonder how Ron Paul plans on separating himself from Obama in this respect? It seems to me that Ron Paul is a bigger corporatist than Obama. When Obama put a 3 year 35% tariff on crappy Chinese tires being dumped on our market, Ron Paul screamed “protectionist” and was more than happy to see thousands of tire manufacturing jobs in this country go to his friends the Communist Chinese. He was saying the same thing as all the multi-national corporations on that issue. I’d like to see him stop by the Goodyear plant in Gadsden, Alabama and explain his position on “free trade” to the tire workers there, but he doesn’t have the guts, any more than he has the guts to go to West Virginia and explain his position on how we should let industry set our safety standards to the spouses and children of the miners who lost their lives in the recent mining catastrophe there. You’d think he’d at least stop by that little mining town to pick up his check from the mine operators, but I guess he’s waiting for them to send it to him without so much fan fare.

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    1. BB

      Wow, so much whining! Did you happen to lose your job recently? Don’t blame Ron Paul, blame your fellow Americans who voted with their dollars to buy superior and/or less expensive products made in China and elsewhere! Why do you want to FORCE American consumers to buy your crap at inflated prices? Just so that you can keep YOUR job?

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      1. Fred the Protectionist

        Why do you Free-Traders keep insisting American products are overpriced and inferior, and American labor lazy? You an anti-American or something?

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        1. BB

          Are you trying to say that Americans buy Chinese products only because they are too stupid to recognize the superiority of American-made products? Are you anti-American or something???

          If American products weren’t overpriced and inferior there simply wouldn’t be a market for Chinese imports! Problem solved.

          And what about products that are created by American companies but assembled in China? Would you protectionists ban those too and thereby greatly harm American companies like Apple (whose iPhones are all “Designed by Apple in California” and “Made in China”)?

          What about Apple’s American employees? It’s none of their fault, so why do you want them to lose their jobs? Looks like you really are anti-American… but why? What did America do to you???

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          1. Berg

            I wonder if he dresses up in a suit & tie to go to walmart??

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          2. Fred the Protectionist

            That is an affirmative, you free traders are anti-American. You hate American products, you hate American labor, you hate America.

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          3. Berg

            Whats wrong Fred? Did I insult you?

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          4. Fred the Protectionist

            You free-traitors hate American labor, hate American products, hate America.

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  21. Ben

    “‘It’s been 60 years since we went to war in Korea,’ said Paul. ‘Why do we have to have troops there?’

    “‘North Korea!’ yelled a heckler.”

    Oh, that’s so funny. Why do little things like that elude the befuddled Congressman from Texas?

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    1. Lisa

      Do you honestly think North Korea poses a serious threat to the world?

      Lol, neo-cons are so gullible.

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    2. BB

      The US could withdraw all troops from South Korea and at the same time guarantee South Korea’s borders for the next 10-15 years. After that, the South is on its own.

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  22. Harold

    Well if you spend money to buy a vote….

    Romney- Buys 500 $119 tickets= $59,500
    Plus Romney gave a free copy of his book to each ticket holder.

    Ron Paul- Buys 800 $119 tickets= $95,200

    No winners here, just unethical losers.

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    1. BB

      Most Ron Paul supporters paid for their tickets.

      Also, everyone knows that Campaign for Liberty (which provided some discounted tickets) was founded by Ron Paul.

      On the other hand, “Evangelicals for Mitt” gave away free tickets in return for votes, and yet they denied any association with Romney even though they have all the hallmarks of being one of his astroturf front organizations.

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  23. Chelsea

    RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL!!

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  24. Fred the Protectionist

    Looks like the list of the same-old names we saw in 2008 elections.

    What cataclysm has occurred between 2008 and 2010 which would make people, real people, vote for Ron Paul the anarcho-capitalist? Or any Republican for that matter.

    Romney oh my golly, hehe, this list goes to show you how binarily-reversed the Republican and Democtratic Party has become.

    http://www.ushistory.org/gop/convention_1856republicanplatform.htm

    Republican Platform of 1856:

    Resolved: That the Constitution confers upon Congress sovereign powers over the Territories of the United States for their government; and that in the exercise of this power, it is both the right and the imperative duty of Congress to prohibit in the Territories those twin relics of barbarism — Polygamy, and Slavery.

    Awe, don’t thumbs down history and reality.

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    1. Fred the Protectionist

      http://www.wwnorton.com/college/history/archive/resources/documents/ch16_02.htm

      The Democratic Platform (1856)

      1. That the Federal government is one of limited power, derived solely from the constitution, and the grants of power made therein ought to be strictly construed by all the departments and agents of the government, and that it is inexpedient and dangerous to exercise doubtful constitutional powers.

      2. That the constitution does not confer upon the general government the power to commence and carry on a general system of internal improvements.

      3. That the constitution does not confer authority upon the Federal government, directly or indirectly, to assume the debts of the several states, contracted for local and internal improvements or other state purposes; nor would such assumption be just or expedient.

      4. That justice and sound policy forbid the Federal government to foster one branch of industry to the detriment of another, or to cherish the interests of one portion of our common country; that every citizen and every section of the country has a right to demand and insist upon an equality of rights and privileges, and a complete and ample protection of persons and property from domestic violence and foreign aggression.

      5. That it is the duty of every branch of the government to enforce and practice the most rigid economy in conducting our public affairs, and that no more revenue ought to be raised than is required to defray the necessary expenses of the government and gradual but certain extinction of the public debt.

      6. That the proceeds of the public lands ought to be sacredly applied to the national objects specified in the constitution, and that we are opposed to any law for the distribution of such proceeds among the states, as alike inexpedient in policy and repugnant to the constitution.

      7. That Congress has no power to charter a national bank; that we believe such an institution one of deadly hostility to the best interests of this country, dangerous to our republican institutions and the liberties of the people, and calculated to place the business of the country within the control of a concentrated money power and above the laws and will of the people; . . .

      They whisper in your ear “States rights, States rights.”

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      1. Lindsey

        Fred: Obviously the Dems back then used States rights as an excuse for slavery and the Republicans vice-versa. It is interesting that the situation has been reversed now with regard to states rights. However, the Republican party has been consistent in it’s superior stand on moral issues throughout the years and that is why I am still a member although sometimes I have to hold my nose. What say you?

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        1. Fred the Protectionist

          Whenever Romney’s name is mentioned I just like necro’ing up the 1956 Republican Platform of opposition to slavery and POLYGAMY. :)

          Get it? Romney’s a mormon, polygamy, mormons, polygamy, moromons… Well I thought it was funny.
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          And states don’t have the right to set tariff rates, Congress does.

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          1. Fred the Protectionist

            See, Libertarians deny states don’t have the right to set the Tariff rate, Congress does. Cause Libertarians are unConstitutional, like the Confederates they defend.

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          2. Lindsey

            Fred: Libertarians don’t say that congress can’t set tariffs. Also, Libertarians were not around when the Confederacy was. Let’s not distort the facts!

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  25. Bottomline

    That was a great speech that Dr. Paul made in the SRLC today he kicked butt. My fellow ex-Michigander Romney cheated to make it look like he was in the lead. The truth of the matter is Dr. Paul nailed it and was speaking the truth. I can’t wait til 2012 to vote for him.

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  26. Paul Nihart

    I just came back from it an hour ago. Mitt Romney’s supporters aren’t as avid in their belief in their nominee than the Ron Paul supporters are in theirs. Even if it was missed by one number, the spirit of each Ron Paul supporter would count them as two men. So, spiritually, Paul won :) It was a great conference. Especially nice when half of the people left after Ron Paul spoke. Seems that maybe most people were there for him. They didn’t care much to wait even 30 more minutes for Michael Steele to speak. All very good signs for the liberty minded.

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    1. Ryan

      Thanks for the insight!
      That’s good news. :)

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  27. SS

    Romney buys a few hundred tickets to get more of his people there, and wins by 1 vote. Guess what, Mitt. You don’t stand an ice cube’s chance in hell of being president.

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  28. Ryan

    Dang. So close.
    Romney is a joke. He’s a puppet just like G.W. Bush. He certainly isn’t fooling me. I just hope enough people see the light come Nov. 2012.
    Our job is clear, inform the masses of their plan to bring another neocon puppet in to perpetuate the corporate dictatorship at the expense of the American people.

    I can envision the spin on Fox already. They’ll probably speak only of Romney from now on.
    Fine! We know who the enemy is now, for the 2012 election. We’ll kick his butt!

    Ron Paul 2012!

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  29. Eric

    Romney does it again…just like at the Straw Poll in St Petersburg Florida when he had his henchmen stuffing the boxes…and I was there and saw it, this is not speculation. Since Romney won, I bet that Fox news will be all of a sudden talking about how important the win is and how relevant it is…unlike when he lost to Paul in the last straw poll. Then it “didn’t really matter” or it was “still early on”.

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  30. Earl

    Mitt Romney And His Loyal Aids Put A Full page Ad To Get Extra Voters To Win The Straw Poll Even Though He Wasn’t Present To Speak..

    How Do You Vote For Someone Who Didn’t Show His Face To Speak ?

    True To Form..Mitt Show Everyone How Low He Can Go To Stal A Straw Poll…Like The One He Did In Florida…Urging His Supporters Then To Cast A Second Vote..

    This is A Scandal…

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