Ron Paul 2012: A Libertarian Renaissance?




Ron Paul presents the case for limited government, personal liberty, free-market economics and a more sensible foreign policy.

Channel: Fox News
Date: 04/15/2010

Transcript

Megyn Kelly: Well, here in this country, there are no delays for the Tea Party Express. Right now, hundreds of rallies taking place across the United States and they come on the biggest day for this young political movement: Tax Day, April 15th. Meantime, a new poll puts one figure popular with Tea Partiers virtually neck and neck with President Obama. Would you look at that? A survey by Rasmussen Reports finds that President Obama has a 1 percentage point edge over Republican Texas Congressman Ron Paul in a hypothetical 2012 race. As you probably know, Congressman Ron Paul ran for the Republican nomination back in 2008. Joining me now is Congressman Paul. Congressman, what do you think of that? Just one point behind the President?

Ron Paul: Well, it’s a small victory I guess, but not too much to think about. We’ll have to wait and see what that means. But I was fascinated with it. It goes to shows that there’s a lot of frustration out there especially with independents, and also some Democrats, because I argue the case for limited government. Even when Obama pretends he’s for limited government, civil liberties and maybe a less aggressive war, he doesn’t pursue those issues. So I think it’s interesting, I hope it has significance, but right now I think it’s a little bit premature to put too much stake on this.

Megyn Kelly: You know, we all watched you during the primary process last presidential election, and you had a libertarian message back then. You believe in limited government and you argued that on virtually every point. And nonetheless, it didn’t seem to resonate that much with the voters at that time. Do you think that given what we’ve seen in this country since then, that you will have a better shot if you decide to give it another go come 2012?

Ron Paul: Well, at least the message is going to have a better shot, because I think the message is spreading. I think the attention that the libertarian message got came about after financial crisis hit, because that’s what I had been talking about the most, was the financial problems that we face and the difficulty we have with this deficit and the bubbles that we have. I thought it probably would fade, any interest in what I was doing after the campaign, but actually the interest has grown. I think it’s the problems that we face and people are realizing that the government is inept, they’re not capable of delivering what they promise. How can the message of freedom not grow in strength? The people need something, they’ve neglected that issue, and now when it’s offered to them, they say “Yes, it makes a whole lot of sense because we can’t depend on borrowing money from China for our prosperity.” They know we’re going to have to go back to work and we’re going to have to pay some of these bills, so I think it’s a very attractive message.

Megyn Kelly: You know, those principles are embodied by the Tea Party movement, and we see those on their signs and when they give interviews, the folks who go out on these rallies. But it’s not just the Tea Partiers who feel this way. You know, we saw on the lead up to the healthcare legislation, the polls repeatedly against that legislation as it was styled, and yet, Congressman Paul, as you know, as the country knows by now, the lawmakers pushed it through. The Democrats were determined to push it through. And so as this movement, the Tea Party movement grows and the push for limited government grows, does it matter if that disconnect between what the people want and what the lawmakers do continues?

Ron Paul: Well, at least we have something we can do about it, and that’s elections. I mean, there’s a lot of frustrations in this country and loss of liberty, but if people want to stand up and do something and work for somebody. I think the election in Massachusetts, who would have ever dreamed of a Republican supported by the Tea Party Movement could win elections in Massachusetts? Something significant is going on. So we still have that option. When the American people speak out, they can bring changes to Washington. Most of the time, they’re speaking out for more government. We’ve been so complacent, we’ve been so rich, we can borrow, but that’s all coming to an end. Now, the people have to speak out, and they are and that’s what this grassroots movement is all about. The Tea Party Movement is one part of it. Like you say, some people outside of the Tea Party Movement are upset, and I think that Rasmussen poll showed that the average independent is looking for something different. So I think we live in very interesting times and I think they’re very healthy. There’s no reason in the world why we can’t present the case for constitutional government, personal liberty, free market economics, and for me, a more sensible foreign policy.

Megyn Kelly: Congressman Paul, do you think, I asked this somebody the other day. Do you think that there’s any getting the tentacles that government has placed into our lives out on a go forward basis? Are we just stuck with these massive entitlement programs that we have now, from Social Security to Medicare and Medicaid, now the healthcare overhaul, government running some of the auto industry, government pushing on the banks and so on. Is that just the way it’s going to be?

Ron Paul: I think so for a while longer, even though the growing resentment is there and something has to be done. But I think we’re going to get more help in the fall. We’re not going to all of a sudden have a majority who’s going to vote and abolish some of these programs, because politically it’s just so difficult. I think what will happen is the bankruptcy will bring it to an end. Just think of the Soviet system, they were a military empire, but it ended without us fighting them. They ended for economic reasons. Our system is not like the Soviet system, but economically it’s deeply flawed, it’s built on a welfare system, fiat money, and debt. And that comes to an end. So when the government can’t take care of the people they promised to take care of, the people will have to act on their own. That’s when I think more independence of the states will occur, that’s why you hear talk about nullification and 10th Amendment movements. That means the people are getting ready “Just leave me alone, I’ll take care of myself.” I think that’s very healthy. So I think it’s going to be the collapse of the dollar system and our bond market and rapid inflation that will drive people to self-reliance saying hopefully we can do that peacefully and have a transition and very simply, all we need to do is follow our Constitution and that’s the kind of government we would have.

Megyn Kelly: What do you think, before I let you go, what is the single most important change you would like to see in this country to get us back on what you consider to be the right track?

Ron Paul: That is to emphasize the issue of liberty. The purpose of all political action should be the protection of liberty. With the confidence that when you have a free society and make free choices, you can have the most prosperous society. If you want to have people strive for excellence, the best way to do that is to get the government out. You can’t improve people’s attitudes and their perspective on society by force. So this is what we need. We need the confidence we once had in a free society where people can take care of themselves. So the goal of all political action should be to promote liberty.

Megyn Kelly: Are we going to see you on the ticket again in 2012 sir?

Ron Paul: No way of knowing that at this moment because I don’t know. No plans made.

Megyn Kelly: All right. We’ll be watching. Congressman Ron Paul, always a pleasure. Thanks for coming on.

Ron Paul: All right. Thank you.

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  3. Libertarian say: "If government was efficient, it would effectively be ‘making a profit’. If it made a profit, private enterprises would enter the industry to take some of that profit away, which would mean we wouldn’t need government in that role in the first place."^^Libertarian/Anarchist jibberish.^^______________________________"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;To borrow money on the credit of the United States;To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;To provide and maintain a Navy;To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And..."_____________________________The role of government isn't TO make a profit or NOT TO make a profit, but to execute a social contract. Ferengi.

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  4. Libertarian say: "If government was efficient, it would effectively be ‘making a profit’. If it made a profit, private enterprises would enter the industry to take some of that profit away, which would mean we wouldn’t need government in that role in the first place."^^Libertarian/Anarchist jibberish.^^______________________________"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;To borrow money on the credit of the United States;To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;To provide and maintain a Navy;To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And..."_____________________________The role of government isn't TO make a profit or NOT TO make a profit, but to execute a social contract. Ferengi.

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  5. Megan is way too smart, imo, not to know that 9-11 - "The Official Story" - was a complete fraud. Of course, there are a lot of smart people who simply can't bring themselves to look seriously at the evidence (which is overwhelming). But that's not okay anymore, there's too much at stake, which is to say that if people do not educate themselves on what exactly is going on in this world, there's no way we're going to be able to turn back the tide of the negative influence that is mainstream programming and the larger, global agenda for de-population and the chipping of the remaining human beings. We're fighting for "forever" and we need you to do your duty. Turn off your televisions for 30 days and immerse yourselves in the movement for Truth. Please.

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    • I second that. Turn off your television, ratio AND Internet for one week and THINK. It will change your life.

      Of course 9/11 is a fraud, but the regime apologists have won that war (for the time being) and they have done a great job. We need to choose our battles wisely and fight them on other fronts where we actually have a chance of winning.

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    • Smart is not a word I would choose to use in reference to Megan Kelly.
      Brain-dead, perhaps. Neocon-Journalist, indeed. Puppet-propogandist, check.
      Good in "sofa" discussion, probably. Men can only imagine.
      Smart, no!

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  6. The truth pf the matter is that we our taxed enough. We should be allowed to keep our money. However we should have a fair tax where everyone pays their taxes, but also will be able to get their money back. It's not right that there are certain people who avoid paying any taxes.

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    • That fair tax idea wasn't a good idea! & the same goes for the flat tax because those of us who have paid the most tax should have all of our money back and pay a much lower tax. Those will say that higher taxes will create more revenue. However I think we are just fooling ourselves if we think that higher taxes is the best way to ditch us out of this depression. There should be more creative ways to help our economy prosper and crate revenue than to raise taxes.

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      • don't forget the central counter argument to taxes.

        Government is generally inefficient. If government was efficient, it would effectively be 'making a profit'. If it made a profit, private enterprises would enter the industry to take some of that profit away, which would mean we wouldn't need government in that role in the first place.

        Since by definition government is inefficient, how can taking capital (money) away from private individuals (through taxes) lead to increased GDP? You take $100 away from me, and spend it on something that returns 95%. There's a real loss of $5. On the other hand if I spend $100, I make sure I get my $100 worth of value. Companies compete for my $100, whereas government doesn't compete for my $100.

        Government is like those corporatons that say "yes we're making a loss on each product sold, BUT we're selling MILLIONS!".

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        • You're right on point! The more businesses that compete the more the taxpayers win. Futhermore, the Government cannot compete.

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        • Fred the Protectionist

          Libertarian say: "If government was efficient, it would effectively be ‘making a profit’. If it made a profit, private enterprises would enter the industry to take some of that profit away, which would mean we wouldn’t need government in that role in the first place."

          ^^Libertarian/Anarchist jibberish.^^

          ______________________________

          "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

          To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

          To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

          To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

          To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

          To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

          To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

          To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

          To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

          To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

          To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

          To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

          To provide and maintain a Navy;

          To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

          To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

          To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

          To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And..."

          _____________________________

          The role of government isn't TO make a profit or NOT TO make a profit, but to execute a social contract. Ferengi.

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  7. The real answer doesn't ONLY involve electing any politician. The real answer is that we the jury inform the rest of the jurors that they have a right to acquit based on disagreement with the law. We do this outside of courthouses when incoming juries are entering, and we make it impossible for them to enforce un-libertarian laws, such as:

    drug laws
    gun laws
    tax laws
    victimless traffic laws (helmets, speeding, illegal lane change, etc... If noone is victimized by the action, it shall be assumed it didn't take place in such a manner that it engangered other people)
    all other "mala prohibita" (making an illegal change to your house's appearance, practicing business without a license, etc...)

    Check out:
    http://www.fija.org

    http://marcstevens.net

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=beating+civil+traffic+tickets+part+1&aq=1

    We still have the power, but not 1 in 1,000 knows it. This is the change that no politician can bring, but if any politician suddenly made it his message, he could bring the system down in one year. Ron Paul supported the Fully Informed Jury Amendment, but he doesn't make it a major part of his message.

    If he did, and did it right, it would make him the most powerful politician in the USA. Especially if he called attention to the former political prisoner Frank Turney, and the "blog of bile" case in NYC. He could then follow up with "Why wasn't Frank Turney pardoned and his conviction expunged?" (Sarah Palin was governor of Alaska after Frank was found guilty of breaking Alaska's unconstitutional "jury tampering" law by a jury that was unlawfully instructed to find him guilty by the judge. If she actually stood for individual freedom, she could have used her power to expunge his record. After all, the only thing he was guilty of doing was informing jurors of their rights as the entered a courthouse --on public property. He made an enemy of a local judge when an Alaska man was found innocent of a victimless gun violation.)

    If we all decided to interfere with the court system, they would be rendered powerless very quickly, or they would declare martial law, and bring about an instant violent rebellion (having closed off both free speech and legal defense as ways of protecting individual liberty).

    I don't advocate ONLY doing jury rights activism. It is good to support libertarian politicians like Harry Browne and Ron Paul as well. It is also good to withold support from the system, and it is good to promote education among the uninformed (for instance by attempting to get history teachers in your local high schools to show these two videos: http://www.secondamendmentdocumentary.com -- the history of the 2nd amendment and the right to self-defense of the common man

    and
    http://www.innocentsbetrayed.com --a world history documentary about the government mass-murder caused by citizen-disarmament worldwide)

    There are many strategies toward liberty. We should all be aware of all of them, and synergistically use all of them. Some people can only do one thing, but if they do that, and hand off to other people doing other things, the common cause will prevail.

    We must be smarter than our enemy. The side with the most intelligence always wins.

    -Jake

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  8. Did the interviewer seriously say ''you're message didn't resonate in 2008''. ?
    That's ridiculous.
    Fox News tried to shut Ron Paul out and despite their efforts his message did resonate.

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  9. Fred the Protectionist

    lol:

    http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/7504/rpopposestp3.jpg

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    • just HAD to respond to this:
      As always it tells half the story:
      "Ron Paul
      Opposes freeways, telephones and electricy because they are not referenced in the Constitution"

      It should read:
      "Ron Paul
      Opposes big government taxes to fund freeways in Alaska that go nowhere, land line telephones that are being superceded by wireless and fiber optics and coal fired electrical plants that receive government subsidies."

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      • Fred the Protectionist

        You Neo-Confederates should read the Confederate Constitution:

        _____________________

        "3. To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes; but neither this, nor any other clause contained in the Constitution, shall ever be construed to delegate the power to Congress to appropriate money for any internal improvement intended to facilitate commerce; except for the purpose of furnishing lights, beacons, and buoys, and other aids to navigation upon the coasts, and the improvement of harbors and the removing of obstructions in river navigation; in all which cases such duties shall be laid on the navigation facilitated thereby as may be necessary to pay the costs and expenses thereof.""

        ____________________

        Anarchists.

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  10. Just a thought from England. If I was Ron Paul I would ask all the media "Why wasn't get this coverage from you when I was running for President in 2008?"
    The result would have been definitely different.

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    America needs your assistants to stop this corruption and to preserve our Constitution.

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  12. Dr Paul's message
    >its Simple but it isn't Easy<
    Liberty is a simple concept but both Political parties like it complex and it that guarantees failure.

    Tax Code 65,000 pages
    Obama Care, 2,800 pages

    A Fair Tax would be Simple AND Easy

    We need Paul to lead tax reform to promote our greater Liberty!

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    • If I were the author, my tax code might not complete half of a page. lol 😛

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      • A National Sales Tax of 15%
        EVERYONE pays it
        Businesses collect and remit it
        Eliminate the IRS
        END THE FED

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        • My tax code would include manufacturers/producers, but still very similar to your code...

          6% manufacturing or producing tax,
          6% sales tax,
          Manufacturers, Producers, and Sellers are expected to pass on the cost to the buyers.
          Manufacturers, Producers, and Sellers will remit the taxes.

          States may collect taxes in the form of an additional sales tax, never to exceed 2% the value of the item being sold.
          Additionally, states may collect a tax in the form of a toll on publically funded bridges and freeways to match the cost of the bridges and freeways and their maintainance.

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          • that's the whole concept of VAT - Value Added Tax

            Each person along the way pays tax on his 'sale', and gets a tax credit on tax he's paid for the inputs.

            So a manufacturer sells his 1/2 made product to a finisher at $100, he has to charge VAT on the $100. But he has inputs (ex labour) of $55. Of that $55, $5 was VAT he paid to his supplier. He gets a VAT input credit of $5 and owes VAT output of $100 (say 10%= $10). So net tax the manufacturer pays is $5 (i.e. 10% tax on the 'value' he's added).

            Lowers the ability of people to not pay sales tax at the end of the line (by not declaring sales for example).

            Not saying whether VAT is better or not, just explaining how it works.

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          • Yes. That's correct.
            I'm actually a little more flexible on the subject than I may have indicated.
            As long as it is an indirect tax, I'm happy.
            That said, I think a pure sales tax as the only taxation would ultimately lead to a decrease in manufacturing. People would buy used items in garage sales, used cars over new cars, to avoid the sales taxes, then fix them up, etc. It's just human nature to try and save when possible. This could lead to higher costs and less production in manufacturing... and then fewer jobs. So I think an excise tax, a little broader in base than just a pure sales tax, would help keep the market robust, and as you indicated, reduce the ability of people to avoid taxes. But in general I like any form of indirect taxation. IMO, we can add tolls on bridges, and things of that nature to keep money flowing, in a broad manner, but without direct taxation.

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          • Fred the Protectionist

            VAT isn't in the Constitution, unConstitutionalists.

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          • Fred the Protectionist

            See, told you so, Libertarians know nothing of the Constitution.

            And who in their right mind would want to tax "value added" anyways? This would just promote manufacturers to add as little value as possible to their products to avoid the tax, or at the very least be a consideration in their thinking.

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