27 responses to “Ron Paul 2012: A Libertarian Renaissance?”

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  3. Julie

    Libertarian say: "If government was efficient, it would effectively be ‘making a profit’. If it made a profit, private enterprises would enter the industry to take some of that profit away, which would mean we wouldn’t need government in that role in the first place."^^Libertarian/Anarchist jibberish.^^______________________________"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;To borrow money on the credit of the United States;To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;To provide and maintain a Navy;To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And..."_____________________________The role of government isn't TO make a profit or NOT TO make a profit, but to execute a social contract. Ferengi.

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  4. Amy

    Libertarian say: "If government was efficient, it would effectively be ‘making a profit’. If it made a profit, private enterprises would enter the industry to take some of that profit away, which would mean we wouldn’t need government in that role in the first place."^^Libertarian/Anarchist jibberish.^^______________________________"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;To borrow money on the credit of the United States;To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;To provide and maintain a Navy;To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And..."_____________________________The role of government isn't TO make a profit or NOT TO make a profit, but to execute a social contract. Ferengi.

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  5. slewofdamascus

    Megan is way too smart, imo, not to know that 9-11 - "The Official Story" - was a complete fraud. Of course, there are a lot of smart people who simply can't bring themselves to look seriously at the evidence (which is overwhelming). But that's not okay anymore, there's too much at stake, which is to say that if people do not educate themselves on what exactly is going on in this world, there's no way we're going to be able to turn back the tide of the negative influence that is mainstream programming and the larger, global agenda for de-population and the chipping of the remaining human beings. We're fighting for "forever" and we need you to do your duty. Turn off your televisions for 30 days and immerse yourselves in the movement for Truth. Please.

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    1. Nick R.

      I second that. Turn off your television, ratio AND Internet for one week and THINK. It will change your life.

      Of course 9/11 is a fraud, but the regime apologists have won that war (for the time being) and they have done a great job. We need to choose our battles wisely and fight them on other fronts where we actually have a chance of winning.

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    2. Ryan

      Smart is not a word I would choose to use in reference to Megan Kelly.
      Brain-dead, perhaps. Neocon-Journalist, indeed. Puppet-propogandist, check.
      Good in "sofa" discussion, probably. Men can only imagine.
      Smart, no!

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  6. Bottomline

    The truth pf the matter is that we our taxed enough. We should be allowed to keep our money. However we should have a fair tax where everyone pays their taxes, but also will be able to get their money back. It's not right that there are certain people who avoid paying any taxes.

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    1. Bottomline

      That fair tax idea wasn't a good idea! & the same goes for the flat tax because those of us who have paid the most tax should have all of our money back and pay a much lower tax. Those will say that higher taxes will create more revenue. However I think we are just fooling ourselves if we think that higher taxes is the best way to ditch us out of this depression. There should be more creative ways to help our economy prosper and crate revenue than to raise taxes.

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      1. Libertarian777

        don't forget the central counter argument to taxes.

        Government is generally inefficient. If government was efficient, it would effectively be 'making a profit'. If it made a profit, private enterprises would enter the industry to take some of that profit away, which would mean we wouldn't need government in that role in the first place.

        Since by definition government is inefficient, how can taking capital (money) away from private individuals (through taxes) lead to increased GDP? You take $100 away from me, and spend it on something that returns 95%. There's a real loss of $5. On the other hand if I spend $100, I make sure I get my $100 worth of value. Companies compete for my $100, whereas government doesn't compete for my $100.

        Government is like those corporatons that say "yes we're making a loss on each product sold, BUT we're selling MILLIONS!".

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        1. Bottomline

          You're right on point! The more businesses that compete the more the taxpayers win. Futhermore, the Government cannot compete.

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        2. Fred the Protectionist

          Libertarian say: "If government was efficient, it would effectively be ‘making a profit’. If it made a profit, private enterprises would enter the industry to take some of that profit away, which would mean we wouldn’t need government in that role in the first place."

          ^^Libertarian/Anarchist jibberish.^^

          ______________________________

          "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

          To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

          To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

          To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

          To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

          To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

          To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

          To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

          To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

          To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

          To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

          To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

          To provide and maintain a Navy;

          To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

          To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

          To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

          To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And..."

          _____________________________

          The role of government isn't TO make a profit or NOT TO make a profit, but to execute a social contract. Ferengi.

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  7. Jake Witmer

    The real answer doesn't ONLY involve electing any politician. The real answer is that we the jury inform the rest of the jurors that they have a right to acquit based on disagreement with the law. We do this outside of courthouses when incoming juries are entering, and we make it impossible for them to enforce un-libertarian laws, such as:

    drug laws
    gun laws
    tax laws
    victimless traffic laws (helmets, speeding, illegal lane change, etc... If noone is victimized by the action, it shall be assumed it didn't take place in such a manner that it engangered other people)
    all other "mala prohibita" (making an illegal change to your house's appearance, practicing business without a license, etc...)

    Check out:
    http://www.fija.org

    http://marcstevens.net

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=beating+civil+traffic+tickets+part+1&aq=1

    We still have the power, but not 1 in 1,000 knows it. This is the change that no politician can bring, but if any politician suddenly made it his message, he could bring the system down in one year. Ron Paul supported the Fully Informed Jury Amendment, but he doesn't make it a major part of his message.

    If he did, and did it right, it would make him the most powerful politician in the USA. Especially if he called attention to the former political prisoner Frank Turney, and the "blog of bile" case in NYC. He could then follow up with "Why wasn't Frank Turney pardoned and his conviction expunged?" (Sarah Palin was governor of Alaska after Frank was found guilty of breaking Alaska's unconstitutional "jury tampering" law by a jury that was unlawfully instructed to find him guilty by the judge. If she actually stood for individual freedom, she could have used her power to expunge his record. After all, the only thing he was guilty of doing was informing jurors of their rights as the entered a courthouse --on public property. He made an enemy of a local judge when an Alaska man was found innocent of a victimless gun violation.)

    If we all decided to interfere with the court system, they would be rendered powerless very quickly, or they would declare martial law, and bring about an instant violent rebellion (having closed off both free speech and legal defense as ways of protecting individual liberty).

    I don't advocate ONLY doing jury rights activism. It is good to support libertarian politicians like Harry Browne and Ron Paul as well. It is also good to withold support from the system, and it is good to promote education among the uninformed (for instance by attempting to get history teachers in your local high schools to show these two videos: http://www.secondamendmentdocumentary.com -- the history of the 2nd amendment and the right to self-defense of the common man

    and
    http://www.innocentsbetrayed.com --a world history documentary about the government mass-murder caused by citizen-disarmament worldwide)

    There are many strategies toward liberty. We should all be aware of all of them, and synergistically use all of them. Some people can only do one thing, but if they do that, and hand off to other people doing other things, the common cause will prevail.

    We must be smarter than our enemy. The side with the most intelligence always wins.

    -Jake

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  8. Theresa Romano

    Did the interviewer seriously say ''you're message didn't resonate in 2008''. ?
    That's ridiculous.
    Fox News tried to shut Ron Paul out and despite their efforts his message did resonate.

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  9. Fred the Protectionist

    lol:

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    1. Libertarian777

      just HAD to respond to this:
      As always it tells half the story:
      "Ron Paul
      Opposes freeways, telephones and electricy because they are not referenced in the Constitution"

      It should read:
      "Ron Paul
      Opposes big government taxes to fund freeways in Alaska that go nowhere, land line telephones that are being superceded by wireless and fiber optics and coal fired electrical plants that receive government subsidies."

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      1. Fred the Protectionist

        You Neo-Confederates should read the Confederate Constitution:

        _____________________

        "3. To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes; but neither this, nor any other clause contained in the Constitution, shall ever be construed to delegate the power to Congress to appropriate money for any internal improvement intended to facilitate commerce; except for the purpose of furnishing lights, beacons, and buoys, and other aids to navigation upon the coasts, and the improvement of harbors and the removing of obstructions in river navigation; in all which cases such duties shall be laid on the navigation facilitated thereby as may be necessary to pay the costs and expenses thereof.""

        ____________________

        Anarchists.

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  10. Tony Rawlings

    Just a thought from England. If I was Ron Paul I would ask all the media "Why wasn't get this coverage from you when I was running for President in 2008?"
    The result would have been definitely different.

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  12. Citizen

    Dr Paul's message
    >its Simple but it isn't Easy<
    Liberty is a simple concept but both Political parties like it complex and it that guarantees failure.

    Tax Code 65,000 pages
    Obama Care, 2,800 pages

    A Fair Tax would be Simple AND Easy

    We need Paul to lead tax reform to promote our greater Liberty!

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    1. Ryan

      If I were the author, my tax code might not complete half of a page. lol :P

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      1. Citizen

        A National Sales Tax of 15%
        EVERYONE pays it
        Businesses collect and remit it
        Eliminate the IRS
        END THE FED

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        1. Ryan

          My tax code would include manufacturers/producers, but still very similar to your code...

          6% manufacturing or producing tax,
          6% sales tax,
          Manufacturers, Producers, and Sellers are expected to pass on the cost to the buyers.
          Manufacturers, Producers, and Sellers will remit the taxes.

          States may collect taxes in the form of an additional sales tax, never to exceed 2% the value of the item being sold.
          Additionally, states may collect a tax in the form of a toll on publically funded bridges and freeways to match the cost of the bridges and freeways and their maintainance.

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          1. Libertarian777

            that's the whole concept of VAT - Value Added Tax

            Each person along the way pays tax on his 'sale', and gets a tax credit on tax he's paid for the inputs.

            So a manufacturer sells his 1/2 made product to a finisher at $100, he has to charge VAT on the $100. But he has inputs (ex labour) of $55. Of that $55, $5 was VAT he paid to his supplier. He gets a VAT input credit of $5 and owes VAT output of $100 (say 10%= $10). So net tax the manufacturer pays is $5 (i.e. 10% tax on the 'value' he's added).

            Lowers the ability of people to not pay sales tax at the end of the line (by not declaring sales for example).

            Not saying whether VAT is better or not, just explaining how it works.

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          2. Ryan

            Yes. That's correct.
            I'm actually a little more flexible on the subject than I may have indicated.
            As long as it is an indirect tax, I'm happy.
            That said, I think a pure sales tax as the only taxation would ultimately lead to a decrease in manufacturing. People would buy used items in garage sales, used cars over new cars, to avoid the sales taxes, then fix them up, etc. It's just human nature to try and save when possible. This could lead to higher costs and less production in manufacturing... and then fewer jobs. So I think an excise tax, a little broader in base than just a pure sales tax, would help keep the market robust, and as you indicated, reduce the ability of people to avoid taxes. But in general I like any form of indirect taxation. IMO, we can add tolls on bridges, and things of that nature to keep money flowing, in a broad manner, but without direct taxation.

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          3. Fred the Protectionist

            VAT isn't in the Constitution, unConstitutionalists.

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          4. Fred the Protectionist

            See, told you so, Libertarians know nothing of the Constitution.

            And who in their right mind would want to tax "value added" anyways? This would just promote manufacturers to add as little value as possible to their products to avoid the tax, or at the very least be a consideration in their thinking.

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