113 responses to “Ron Paul in Iowa: Freedom is the Answer!”

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  2. Douglas

    It is quite clear that current international monetary policy is way deficient of proper ecological and biological balance in relation to their issuance.

    Ron Paul is to me a ‘Lone Star’. As a young teenager I felt so alone. One who understood the power of the money changers but yet was so perplexed on how one could challenge such a power.

    Yet, I do understand fully how evolution and creation of the universe has come to pass. No one can force this understanding upon anyone. However the process of issuing medium of exchange is the most sacred process of any given civilization.

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  3. Peter

    I've been following the liberty movemetn and Ron Paul from Australia for awhile now. We're doing OK down under but there are some disturbing interventionist trends eminating from our political 'elite'. I discovered yesterday it is a criminal offence in Australia to leave your car unlocked. Police justify fining 'offenders' as it is a preventative measure to reduce their workload and cost of catching car thiefs. Using that logic, any government infringement of my rights could be justified ... including banning knives and forks as a preventative measure!

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  4. Bottomline

    That was a great speech Ron Paul made in Iowa. I agree that the FLED needs to be audited and we shouldn't be forced by the federal government to do anything we don't want to do. He has made strong arguments for Freedom and Liberty and building wealth. I have just read your book "End the Fed"! It is very interesting to read. Certain things Joan said I couldn't disagree with her more on some of the things on the second to last post. She does make a valid point though.
    I hope that Ron Paul runs for president again in 2012.

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  5. Todd Eads

    Hey, I have an idea! Why not just legalize ALL drugs, including marijuana, and let all of the prisoners guilty of "victimless crimes" free. Why not rid ourselves of the Food and Drug Administration. Why not rid ourselves of Ben Bernanke And Friends(bye, bye income tax). Why not just allow all Americans to do what they want, live any way that they want, good or bad, and allow them to put anything they want into their bodies, good or bad. It's called freedom, but unfortunatly, most Americans do not even know what freedom actually is. What they believe is freedom is actually called tyranny.

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    1. Johnny Hempseed

      Two big attaboys on that Todd. As long as you don't infringe on anyone else's liberty, who is harmed other than yourself? If this nonsense isn't stopped soon, it will lead to a banning of forks & knives because you could hurt yourself while eating. And I have never, ever in 50 years seen anyone smoke marijuana and become violent in any way. Sorry I can't say the same for legal alcohol.

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      1. Roy Trueman Jr.

        So True Johnny - Pot is the most peaceful drug and could curb a lot of the violence in our society. I have seen a lot of mean drunks in my day.

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      2. fred the protectionist

        Libertarian say: "and I have never, ever in 50 years seen anyone smoke marijuana and become violent in any way."

        Step 1: Take their weed away

        Step 2: wait a week

        Step 3: watch them get violent

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        1. Grant

          Typical childish reply by Fred the Do-Gooder

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        2. fred the protectionist

          *takes Grant's weed away and dangles the bag in front of his face* HAHAHAHA! Don't get violent now.

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    2. Roy Trueman Jr.

      I will agree with you, in a Free Society there should never be any Crime without a Victim. A Victimless Crime makes the charged a Victim of the State. What we choose to do to ourselves is our responsibility also and society should not be expected to pay for our bad choices.

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    3. Max

      I do agree that pot should be legalized and am an ardent Ron Paul supporter. There is one question I struggle with though and that is legalizing highly debilitating and addictive drugs. I am not for persecuting users but I do not think I am 100% percent behind the notion of making these drugs legal to be sold in stores. Corporations trying to market people to get addicted to heroin does not sound great to me. If some drugs are so addictive do they inhibit personal freedom if others are trying to profit by hooking you on them? It is a philosophical question that I can see both sides of. To take an extreme example say there was a pill that made one in complete euphoria but in mind control to another party, should this be made legal and sold in a 7 eleven? Should people have a right to choose to do this? With drugs like marijuana, alcohol, caffeine, adderol, and cocaine I do believe that making these legal would have social benefits. But if it came to completely mind bending and massively addictive drugs I just see a point to where a corporation pushing for their use could be considered an act of aggression. I would be happy to hear others thoughts.

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      1. Roy Trueman Jr.

        Maybe just Natural Drugs, a natural plant should not be illegal! If they want to make a plant illegal how about Kudzu or Crab Grass maybe those damn pricker bushes.

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        1. fred the protectionist

          Everything is natural, Kemosabe. All chemicals are made up with the exact same 118 elements. Plutonium, Lead, and Radium are all perfectly "natural" and "homeopathic".

          There aint a single thing on planet Earth that isn't natural or "homeopathic".

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    4. fred the protectionist

      Libertarian say: "Why not rid ourselves of the Food and Drug Administration."

      Oh what a great plan, let's all start drinking radioactive water or lead lined canned foods. Lets return to the good old days where life expectancy was HALF of what it is today. Ah yes what a great plan.

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  6. Thomas Paine

    If Marijuana GROWN ONLY ORGANICALLY IN THE USA was legalized we would in one stroke of the pen see Mexico's drug war put out of business. Having cheap, locally grown pot would create jobs, let good people out of prison, and have the effect of disincentivising the drug lords in Mexico!

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    1. Johnny Hempseed

      You talked me into it. Now pass that bong over here.

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      1. Arnie Rosner, Fountain Valley, Ca

        Hey Johnny,

        If it were simply politics I would not have spent the last year and a half educating myself on exactly what is involved with this issue. we are talking some serious issues involving the very principles that guarantee our freedom.

        So is this not important to you? Or do you prefer not to be involved and are willing to let others fight your battles for you?

        Here is just a little bit of history that might very well relate to this situation down the road. This guy ignored the facts until...well until...here are his own words....

        Citizen Action
        When Hitler came for the Jews... I was not a Jew, therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then, Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church — and there was nobody left to be concerned.
        — Pastor Martin Niemoller, Congressional Record, October 14, 1968, vol. 114, p. 31636.

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      2. Arnie Rosner, Fountain Valley, Ca

        From: Arnie Rosner
        Date: May 21, 2010 8:07:44 AM PDT
        To: 1-916-558-3160@efaxsend.com
        Cc: Arnie Rosner , 16025421381@efaxsend.com
        Subject: The shinning city on the hill

        Dear Arnold,

        What a disappointment you have become! It was very difficult for me to accept that Jan Brewer has become the role model for the Terminator. Just think how far have you fallen from grace. I am afraid you will "Not be Back!"

        The real Arnold (not the girly man)

        Arnie

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        Fax Copy: Gov. Jan Brewer - the new American Terminator

        Begin forwarded message:

        From: Arnie Rosner
        Date: May 21, 2010 4:10:51 AM PDT
        To: 16025421381@efaxsend.com
        Cc: Arnie Rosner
        Subject: The shinning city on the hill

        Dear Gov. Brewer,

        This is a note of support! Congratulations!

        Your success at establishing the traditional American values as a baseline in the state of Arizona is an incredible accomplishment. This is especially impressive, in this politically charged period of American history; a time where progressive politicians had succeeded in making political correctness the established norm.

        Thank goodness for your strength and resolve. Speaking for many of my friends and neighbors, in California, as Americans, we salute you. Our governor should only have one-tenth a degree of your courage. However, I think he has morphed into one of his famous "Girly Men". By his destructive actions I believe he has adapted the philosophy of that very rare and now extinct bird previously known as the Floogle Bird. A bird which demonstrated the unique characteristic of flying in ever smaller concentric circles until it flew up its own rectum and disappeared forever.

        Dear Gov. Brewer, let me add that those of us dedicated to the basic American principles and share your vision of a restored America, also advocate invoking states rights as enumerated by the Constitution. Further, consistent with the guarantees afforded us by the Constitution, and considering the federal government' has failed to live up to its basic responsibilities to the great states and citizens of this Union, it would seem fitting to implement the following actions to recapture some of the costs we pay for federal services which have not been delivered:

        Effective Immediately

        Let us assert our respective state sovereignty and
        Redirect all W2 Payroll and other federal designated tax revenues collectable within the state of Arizona to the Arizona state treasury
        Immediately issue a challenge to the Obama Eligibility issue and demand an immediate investigation by an independent investigator. This is in light of all of the new conclusive evidence of gross wrong doing on the part of many members of the federal government.
        As I see it Gov. Brewer, there is no reason we as citizens need to tolerate a government comprised of representatives of the electorate who fail to be guided by the will of the people. This is especially true when we are being routinely defrauded when we as taxpayers pay for services the federal government routinely fails to deliver.

        By your brave and courageous actions, you have already demonstrated the incredible leadership qualities so conspicuously absent in this 111th Congress and especially this administration being directed by a person of undocumented origin. Therefore, can we, the conscientious voice of the free Americans, count on you, as a proven leader of the democratic process, help us confront our domestic enemies? Those members of government who have characterized their criminal behavior as violating their oath to protect and defend the Constitution and the rule of law. We are speaking of members of this government, who no longer represent the will of the American people; the people who elected them to these high offices.

        Can we count on you dear Governor Brewer to act on behalf of the little people?

        Arnie

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    2. Arnie Rosner, Fountain Valley, Ca

      All of this exchange is really bringing out a lot of critical points. This is a great exchange of ideas and information. Much of it very important substance from which to base the structure of our newly recovered republic.

      However, if I may be permitted the opportunity to point out, that even though we find ourselves up to our armpits in alligators at the moment, the major objective here is to drain the swamp!

      For more helpful information please see the following:
      http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=6649

      Herein lies the opportunity to get us back on track ASAP. As intelligent American citizens still free to exercise our civil rights (well so far) let me encourage all of those so inclined, to to review the information and then make up your own minds as to how you wish to proceed.

      Arnie

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      1. Johnny Hempseed

        Wow Arnie, that website is skeery with the black background. What exactly are you trying to say in 1000 words or less?

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        1. Arnie Rosner, Fountain Valley, Ca

          Hey Johnny here is my point (less than 1000 words)

          Trust no one.
          Vigorously Investigate
          Investigate the validity of statements for yourself
          Ask for the source of information presented as facts.
          Check into Saul Alinsky and the rules for radicals
          Someone states a fact immediately consider it as an item to confirm for yourself. Do not fall victim to Fastfact, snopes or any sites that represent they are the authority on truth. There are none. They have all been found to marginalize the truth when convenient.

          So far, it appears all of us are still in possession of our rights as granted by our constitution. There is a lot of concern on the part of us, me especially, that every day the OBAMA dark forces are furiously attacking the last vestiges of the respect for the rule of law. Soon the right to speak freely will also be completely abridged just in the same manner as our media and pundits have been marginalized.

          Now perhaps my efforts are not nearly enough, but at least for my part I have taken issue with the following:

          They know we know they know
          • Posted by Arnie Rosner on April 18, 2010 at 1:30am
          Based on the information contained within this YouTube presentation by Carl Swensson the following actions were executed.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mAGfunfpNU

          Attached please find the American Grand Jury presentments from January 18, 2010.
          All Counts were voted upon by the 165 jury members.
          All communications (email, chat messages, jury foreman messages, comments, and testimony)
          were conducted in written English. All communications were securely saved in a database server
          as permanent records.
          The final votes were as follows: 165 members voted “YES” to hand down the
          Presentments against Obama. The voting was unanimous.
          NOW THEREFORE:
          The Grand Jury hereby prays the Court hear said Presentments and formally charge and
          prosecute Obama under:
          Count One. Fraud against the people of the United States of America by reason of:
          That Obama is NOT eligible under the laws of the Constitution of the United
          States as provided for in Article II, Section 1.
          FURTHERMORE, the Grand Jury hereby prays the Court will formally charge and prosecute
          Obama under:
          Count Two. Treason against the Constitution and People of the United States as
          follows:
          That the charge of “Treason” against Obama is before the people of the
          United States of America. That such complaint is CRIMINAL, of high crimes,
          and extremely damaging against the people.
          FURTHERMORE, the Grand Jury hereby prays the Court will formally charge and prosecute Obama,
          Pelosi and the Democratic National Convention under:
          Count Three. Election fraud and conspiracy against the people of the United States of
          America as follows:
          The Democratic National Convention in conjunction with Nancy Pelosi, Chair of the
          DNC, has committed fraud against the electorate, the States and people of the
          United States. Pelosi, in conjunction with Barack Obama and others, conspired to
          withhold the truth about Obama’s eligibility when vetting and subsequently
          nominating Obama on the DNC ticket.
          Given on this day and year of January 18, 2010 by final vote of the Grand Jury
          Members.
          Said presentments are hereby attested to and verified by the Jury Foremen on this
          day and year above mentioned:
          ______________________________________________________________
          Robert J. Campbell,
          Jury Foreman and Moderator
          AGJ Presentments - served
          Rep. Rohrabacher
          Rep. Paul
          Rep. Akaka
          Ma'am. Boxer
          Rep. Boehner
          Justice Alito
          Justice Breyer
          Justice Ginsburg
          Justice Kennedy
          Justice Roberts
          Justice Sotomayer
          Justice Stevens
          Justice Thomas
          Fountain Valley Police Department
          Thanks to the additional persistence and tenacity of Suzanne Short, we are delighted to update the list of officials served with the
          American Grand Jury Presentments. Our thanks for this conscientious effort to make those who should be acting on our behalf to
          investigate this travesty of justice. It is inconceivable that under the Constitution of the United States, the111th Congress, the judicial
          system, that Justice Department, all of the governors, all of the state attorney general's can sit back and ignore their responsibility to
          deal with this constitutional issue.
          List #1
          Lisa Madigan….Attorney General, IL
          Channing D. Phillips…Attorney General, Washington D.C.
          Terry Goddard….Attorney General, Arizona
          Jerry Brown…Attorney General, California
          Richard Blumenthal…Attorney General, Connecticut
          John Suthers…Attorney General, Colorado
          Beau Biden…Attorney General, Delaware
          Lawrence Wasden…. Attorney General, Idaho
          Greg Zoeller…..Attorney, Indiana
          Thomas John Miller….Attorney General, Iowa
          Stephen Six…Attorney General, Kansas
          John Conway….Attorney General, Kentucky
          Buddy Caldwell….Attorney General, Louisiana
          Jim Hood….Attorney General, Mississippi
          Henry McMaster…Attorney General, South Carolina
          Gregg Abbott…Attorney General, Texas
          Roy A. Cooper…Attorney General, North Carolina
          Gary King…Attorney General, New Mexico
          Troy King…Attorney General, Alabama
          List #1 Continued
          Senator Mark Udall…Colorado
          Senator Debbie Stabenow…Michigan
          Congressman John Boehner…Ohio
          Congressman Bill Young…Florida
          Congressman Kurt Schroeder…Oregon
          Congresswoman Dina Titus… Nevada
          Congresswoman Candice S. Miller….Michigan
          Senator Jim DeMint…South Carolina
          Senator Claire McCaskill…Missouri
          Senator Roland Burris…Illinois
          Senator Patty Murray…Washington State
          Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann…Minnesota
          Senator Jim Webb…Virginia
          Senator Micahel McLachlan…Connecticut
          Congressman Nathan Deal’s Chief of Staff, Todd Smith…Georgia
          Senator Barbara Boxer…California
          Congressman Joe Wilson…South Carolina
          Congressman Phil Roe….Tennessee
          Congressman Parker Griffith…Alabama
          Senator Russell D. Feingold…Wisconsin
          Congresswoman Lynn Jenkins…Kansas
          Senator Jeff Bingaman…New Mexico
          Senator John McCain…Arizona
          Senator James Risch….Idaho
          Congresswoman Cynthia Lummis….Wyoming
          Senator Dick Durbin….Illinois

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        2. Johnny Hempseed

          Let's face it Arnie. Obama is our president for now. There ain't much reason to rehash where he was born. We need to move on and figure out how to fix this situation. The fix is electing Ron Paul in 2012 if he will run. Obama is spilled milk and where he was born is meaningless at this point. Back to the point of legalizing marijuana, what do you think? Your opinion is important.

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        3. Roy Trueman Jr.

          Let's face it Johnny Weed aint going to be made legal at this time, damn it should be but you are so wrong!

          We as Constitutional Americans can NEVER accept Obama as our President. He is a total fraud and has done more damage to our country than any enemy we have ever faced. He continues to do so and every day he is left in office he damages Our Freedoms, Rights, Constitution, Liberties, Economy and far beyond. It is those that give up the fight and accept the fact that our Government has failed us and lets this continue that partner with Obama in the destruction of Our Country.

          Join the fight to expose this Anti-American Muslim Terrorist Treasonist Liar Fraud Obama and move him from the Whitehouse to the Big House where he belongs.

          When he is exposed then we can cancel every Bill, Treaty, Executive Order, Appointee, Czar and Action he has committed on Our Country. We can go after Pelosi and the rest of them for Treason for their active part in this Conspiracy on Our Country too.

          I fought for Our Country and have suffered for for my efforts ever since, I will be damned if I will let this Socialist Snob Obama destroy all the efforts and waste all the Blood shed to make this Country Great.

          Pot won't be legal in the Police tate Obama is taking us towards!

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    3. fred the protectionist

      Libertarian say: "If Marijuana GROWN ONLY ORGANICALLY IN THE USA"

      Hey I wouldn't want to ruin your fantasy but if it grows then by default it is "organic".

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  7. Ed C

    With all the money spent bailing the world out we could have had free health care and college for all. $1 trillion would have paid for that but instead trillions are going into the banksters pockets. Not only are they stealing our future, they're stealing our health and education. What we have is a serious Moral Crisis and it's in Washington on our elected officials that have conveniently forgotten their sworn duties to the people at the behest of the banksters. I'm thinking the banks are writing the new legislation including the Consumer Protection bill since our elected officials really have no economic acumen. They really think the banksters are going to write legislation to protect the citizens??! Idiots. Banks are out for themselves and to protect their profits. They got as big as they are through immoral and probably criminal conduct - it's going to take a lot more of those same tactics to keep them that big. All the legislatures that think because the banks created the problems that they should be the ones to fix it are wrong. They're backing the wrong horse over and above their sworn duties to the people. This really needs to be considered "global economic integration, democracy and national sovereignty are mutually incompatible. It's possible to have any 2 but not all 3. It's the inescapable trilemma of a world economy". That is what the banksters are aiming for. Which 2 would you choose? My choice would not include global economic integration. Look at Greece. Dr. Paul you have my vote.

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    1. Joan

      Ed, I agree with you. If we used our money for education and health care for our people, we would have been able to educate everyone and give health care to everyone. Look at Haiti, Iraq, we build roads, buildings, yet look at Louisiana. It's still a mess. Now, that massive, massive oil spill. We won't spend money on that either. It will go to build roads and schools in Afganistan.

      I think, from what I've seen, people in this country do want socialism. They are all only fighting over getting SS and Medicare. The older people want to get rid of the illegals and get rid of welfare, thinking that money will go to their programs, younger people have their kids on it already and many young people are on it on disability, they want the baby boomers to die soon hoping that way they will get all of the free stuff. Everyone is fighting and fighting to get all free pensions and free health care, they want 90-100 percent state pensions, 3,000 a month from SS, free medical. People say they paid into a state pension, they were promised full pensions, they want it. The taxpayers have to pay for it. They want 3K from SS, no mone there, but they want, they want. I really think we would be much better doing a 15 percent VAT tax and funding everyone's nanny state programs they are fighting over. No one is going to pay for their own health care, no one is going to save for retirement, most of the younger generations are kicked back living off the government, only people who can make big, big money even work anymore. We are at socialism now, younger people want to retire at 20 on disability, no one wants to raise their kids, might as well do a huge tax and pay everyone to sit around. We're going broke over not paying taxes for the free stuff, might as well fund universal health care and government retirement and get on with it. They all want smaller government and less taxes as long as the taxpayers pay them, them, them, and, of course, only them. 85 percent of people in this country don't have a college degree, the last three generations have deteriorated in every way there is. Might as well just pay everyone to reproduce and people will finally stop fighting.

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    2. Libertarian777

      while I think it's great that everyone is starting to hear Ron Paul's message, I feel a lot of people are not getting his complete message.

      Ron Paul is NOT saying "instead of spending $1 trillion overseas on bailouts, we should spend that $1 trillion here".

      Ron Paul is saying "government should not spend your money. The Fed should not monetise the government's debt. PERIOD.". i.e. there is no $1 trillion created in the first place.

      He wants to get rid of the department of education, department of agriculture, limit Pentagon spending (ironically the Japanese are protesting a US air base on one of their islands. Perfect timing to close the base and bring the troops home).

      Ron Paul wants to give YOU the choice on where you spend your money. If the government isn't taxing you (directly or indirectly), you have more money in your pocket. YOU spend YOUR money on things that are a priority to you (healthcare, education, transportation, agriculture etc). From those choices, prices are established (free market), and information is discovered (what do people want? where are they spending their money).

      On an off note, Obamacare resulted in a requirement for an additional 16,000 IRS agents. Yet they say it will cut costs. I've never heard of any Fortune 500 company say "we're going to hire an additional 16,000 staff to cut costs".

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      1. Joan

        Libertarian777, I agree with you. I see it that we should either go no income tax, unfund most of the goverment programs, no welfare, keep what you earn, that would be the best way of doing things, I agree. But, at the same time, I debate people in different political chatboards about the entitlements and every single person wants them. So, people have to decide if they want universal health care and SS and Medicare and so on, then we have to do like European countries, fund it with a VAT tax. It's at a turning point, very interesting time in our country right now, where we either do away with the socialism and taxes or we go full speed with socialism. I see most people wanting the government programs. I guess because it is such a unique time in this country with trillion dollar debts for the first time, and states going under for the first time, the country is in crisis. But, I see most people defending the social programs they want and trying to get rid of social programs for other people. We need an honest discussion as a nation about which way people really want to go. And, we need higher paying jobs to make everything work.

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        1. Libertarian777

          Ron Paul has recognised though that you can't change overnight.

          He isn't proposing removing social security entirely. He wants to stop its growth, and give younger people who aren't on soc sec. the choice of whether to contribute to soc sec. or to contribute to some other non-government run savings plan.

          I'm imagining he'd increase 401k or IRA limits.

          But yes, keep what you earn is his philosophy.

          It's the classic ant and grasshopper story. Ants scrimp and save, grasshoppers spend. in 40 years time when ants and grasshoppers retire only the ants have food, the grasshoppers have none. Then the politicians get involved and lament how the grasshoppers are starving while the ants are eating to their fill. so they propose to tax the ants savings.

          Obviously the grasshoppers vote for those politicians

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  8. Steve

    @ Joan, Thank you for the explanation. It is a bit clearer. I agree that total disability needs to be redefined. Did you know a person can go on disability because they are an alcoholic? And they use the money from SSDI to buy alcohol? I see this as being quite ridiculous. So redefining total disability is the 1st step. But...to implement the rest of it, the 2nd step would have to be the creation of jobs. Without this crucial step, the gradual phasing out could result in chaos if those taken off the welfare rolls don't have a job available for them. Bringing the jobs that have moved overseas back to America should be a major goal, as well as the creation of new jobs to make room for a expanding workforce. Perhaps Medicare and SS can be saved, but the solutions are not easy ones and depends on the creation of more jobs. I also think that if more jobs are available, then there is possibility of creating a negative unemployment figure like -6% and perhaps encouraging another mini baby-boom keeping the SS and Medicare solvent? LOL j/k

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    Steve, I think the social programs would be gradually cut out. I saw a report from the Cato Institute that said that every household pays $550 a year to pay for Section 8 housing. It costs billions of dollars, creates nothing but crime and problems. They could give everyone on free taxpayer money housing two year notices that they will have to find another way to live, move home with family members, get a job and pay rent, give them time to move on. There are a lot of things that could be done to keep some of the programs in place, but only for indigent people who worked and paid taxes. For example, they are now going to do a means test for social security, they do not have the money to give out, so they are going to see how much you make retired, and start only giving SS to indigent people who worked and paid into it. There are about 35 million people on disability, 99 percent of them are not disabled, it's all a scam because when Clinton ended permanent welfare, they all moved over to permanent disability, and hit gold because they found out they can get their children on it too, big bucks. They need to redefine who is totally disabled, anyone who can raise children and drive a car and go to a health club is not disabled. They need to gut disability benefits for alcoholics, obesity, drug abuse, AHDD, OCD, most of it. Go back to the old days when it was for blind and deaf people. It's become a way of life for the younger generations, most couple SSI with welfare cash and food stamps and free housing and make a lot more than the middle class does. They can do things like make a law that no one can apply for welfare unless they have worked for five years first, a pay-in system like Social Security, or like here in CA, one of the candidates for governor is now running on making people work or welfare, no welfare for illegals, they just cut a lot of free stuff because the state went broke over it. There's more people living off of the state, counties and feds than working in CA, so it went under.

    SS and Medicare is a ponzy scheme. While the politicians handed out all the free money and free health care to the WWII generation who paid almost zero into both programs, the politicians raised their payments from $200 a month, a small supplemental income, up to as high as $1,500 a month to get their votes. Young people saw wow, 1,500 a month for free, free health care, free prescription drugs, so many make it up they are disabled to cash in on the big free money. How many young people can work and get full health care and prescription drugs for free, and take home 1,500 after taxes with no education and no effort? SS was paid for by the 75 million baby boomers all working and paying 6 percent of their income into it. In those days, 41 people paid in for 1 person receiving it. Now that this huge generation wants to begin to retire, the younger generations have gone back to women not working, getting their kids on disability, getting themselves on disability and welfare, there is no large, hard working, educated generation to pay into SS to pay the baby boomers. Now it's 4 people paying in for 1 person who receives it.

    It only worked for one generation as long as there was a huge working generation behind it paying for it. Now, they took 500 billion out of Medicare to gut it and make rationed care. That's the only way they can try to save it. The Republicans and the Cato Institute have come up with plans to privatize it, pay people 12,000 a year to purchase medical insurance themselves, which would save the program. The way it is now, people pay 5K or so into it in their lifetimes, and the government pays for every doctor appointment, surgery, test, meds and so on. It would take 100 trillion (with a T) to hand out all the free health care to the baby boomers. People say they paid into it, yeah, 5K or 10K max and want full health care for themself and their spouse for 25-35 years. It's not even socialized medicine, it's basically free after the first few months. Same with SS. There are 75 million people on it now, with another 75 milllion baby boomers wanting to go on it. For decades the government paid filthy rich old people all of that free money, so now they are going to means test it, if you have a large pension, other incomes, you won't get it for very long.

    I don't agree charity or churches will pick up the slack that is needed to solve these problems. False gods are not real, not one thing will get accomplished with that type of thinking. It's an easy escape route for people to get rid of social programs and feel good about it. These things need to be phased out slowly in order to get dependent people off of them safely. There are generations in this country who have never worked one day, so it makes sense to do a phase out system that includes job training and that gives people fair warning that the free ride is over. I do think the welfare, SS and Medicare programs should be kept in place, not dependency on charities, but disability needs to be redefined, SSI should be done away with, 99 percent of it is welfare fraud, SS should be means tested and only given to the payee to make it fair, Medicare should be privatized, it's either that or rationed care.

    The other thing we have to all look at is the expense of advanced medicine. The only real way people would be able to continue to get expensive tests and procedures is if we did do universal health care and do a 10-15 perent VAT tax. That would bring in trillions per year, which is how much you need to give the finest health care to 320 million people. Private insurance can no longer make a profit because it counted on larger populations of young people not getting sick. Today, young people are obese, have autism, most families have at least one child on disability, the biggest generation is old now, so private insurance has no young, healthy market to offset a large aging generation. I think people will have to either decide on lower care, rationed care, or become willing to pay a big VAT tax if they want to continue to have expensive surgeries and tests. It's up to the people, but the days of it's all free, Medicare is free, Medicaid is free, Medicare has 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, and Medicaid is bankrupting states as I type. So, the days of no one pays for medical care and it comes from outer space and it's all free are over. Unfunded liabilities means the government added up how much money they gave out to the WWII generation in Medicare, they multiply it by the 75 million baby boomers who will go onto it, and they come up with it would cost over 100 trillion dollars to give the baby boomer generation Medicare. It took in less than 1 trillion, and would need 100 trillion to pay for surgeries and tests and meds and doctor's appointments for 75 million people. It's a ponzi scheme that would have continued working if the next generations were larger, healthy, educated and working, but that's not the case.

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    1. Joan

      Steve, you are so right. The corporations took so many jobs overseas for cheap labor. All of these people doing disability fraud is largely a result of lack of jobs in this country, and lack of living wage jobs. You see the whole picture. There are cities all over the country where people can't get minimum wage jobs, of course they are going to go on government programs. How funny, people go on disability for being alcoholics, and then use the money to buy booze. So, social security helps them continue to do their addition. Oh my. Yes, in my day, you might see one blind person every 5 years or so who was on disability. Today, every child who gets hyper from not having physical ed classes at school is labeled totally disabled, everyone having 4-10 children on welfare, who can drive and shop and buy expensive clothes and fake hair and fake nails, they can do everything except work for the money, they are all called totally disabled. I meet people every day who are on full disability. One guy here told me everyone in this city is on it. I tell ya, they all think they are Paris Hilton. They all join a health club and sit in hot tubs and talk about how they went to Las Vegas and travel here and there. Paris Hiltons doing welfare fraud. They all feel entitled, they had it so hard, poor them. I've seen places of 250 unit apt. complexes of all white people on free goverment rent, full disability, free health care, free dental, free prescription drugs, people in their 30s, 40s, 50s, all intelligent, able bodied people sucking the life out of the taxpayers, and they're all looking for the next free thing, a free vet because they have all of these pets and want free vet care, they go to the food lockers, try to get on food stamps. This is why most people in free food lines today are obese. We have obese panhandlers where I live. LOL. Welcome to America.

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  9. Sam

    " We Have To Reject the Notion of Preventive War!!! "

    Right On Ron Paul

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  10. Mark Hovila

    Great speech. But since he was in Iowa, I wish he would have mentioned his Industrial Hemp Farming Bill, which would legalize hemp farming, create jobs and perhaps even solve the energy crisis. I read on the Daily Paul that hemp produces 10 times as much methanol per acre as corn! Ethanol subsidies is always a big issue in Iowa. Let's dump the subsidies and allow the farmers to produce 10 times as much ethanol on a free market basis. I think he should mention this in every speech he gives in Iowa and other states that get ethanol subsidies.

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    1. fred the protectionist

      And this makes you any different then a Green-Commie, how?

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      1. little freddie

        What is a green-commie daddy?

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        1. fred the protectionist

          You

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  11. Ed C

    Man, I loved hearing that! There's way too many sheeple being led astray by the powers that be and those powers be self-serving. The Constitution - what a novel idea. Have these representatives never read it??!! I did catch what I thought was a (intentional or non-intentional?) reference to Sam Adams, also known as the Father of the American Revolution who said "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds."

    I think Orwell fits in here too - from 1984 " The slogans of Newspeak are, War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, and Ignorance is? Strength."

    I'm really glad we have visionaries still here in America and Dr Paul is one. Ron Paul for President!

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    1. fred the protectionist

      Sure it doesn't take a "Majority to prevail," but it at least takes more then 1/3rd of 1%.

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  12. clay

    Dr Ron Paul, you are a great man!! I will support you in your run for president in 2012. I am a young college graduate that just graduated into a horrible world that needs somebody to help fix the dark and ugly. I studied business, marketing, soci-economics, and economics in brazil for a semester this previous year and when i am came back to america I was even more proud to be an american than ever before.

    The american constitutuion and the free market is the best thing that has ever happened to the world and to the human race. With a pure free market economy any individual that is creative, innovative, and utilizes resources well can enter the business world and make something out of themselves. Only in america can a man be born a peasant and die a wealthy man unlike countries in latin america and the rest of the world where the elite (big business, government or both together) controls all of the resources and has the power to choose who is a "have" and a "have not". I will never bow to an other man, mankind is meant to be free and live, but we will only be free if people stop being cowards and stand up for their rights!!! LIBERTY OR DEATH

    Your messages of liberty and freedom have reached across racial and class barries. I am a young black man and i am standing with you and i want to let you know that there are many more standing with you as well.

    Ron Paul 2012

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    1. Kathryn Smith

      CLAY,

      SPREAD THE WORD! THAT IS HOW HE GETS HEARD! WORD-OF-MOUTH, PERSON-TO-PERSON, AND EVEN THEN, PEOPLE STILL HAVE TROUBLE HEARING. =)

      IN LIBERTY,

      KAT

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  13. Lisa

    I love me some Ron Paul :)

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  14. Roy Trueman Jr.

    I have to agree with Arnie Rosner.
    I like what I hear from Ron Paul, especially his stand on eliminating the IRS and his stand on the Constitution.
    I think the evidence is extremely overwhelming that Obama does not fit the requirements of Our Constitution as a Natural Born Citizen.
    Congressman Ron Paul is in Washington now as part of Congress, what is his position on Obama’s eligibility? I think this is the single most important issue we face today as Obama has created many of the serious issues. This is a serious Constitutional Issue and Ron Paul has taken the Oath of office to defend the Constitution from enemies foreign or domestic and Obama certainly qualifies for one of those categories. Talk is not enough, I like what I hear but what is his position on it and why have I not heard him defending the Constitution as a Congressman?
    The Founders knew that Vattel defined a "citizen" simply as any member of society. They also knew from reading Vattel that a "natural born Citizen" had a different standard from just “citizen,” for he or she was a child born in the country to two citizen parents. That is the definition of a "natural born Citizen," as recognized by numerous U.S. Supreme Court and lower court decisions (The Venus, 12U.S. 253(1814), Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242 (1830), Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1856), Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875) , Ex parte Reynolds, 20 F. Cas. 582 (C.C.W.D. Ark 1879), United States v. Ward, 42 F. 320 (1890); Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), Ludlam, Excutrix, & c., v. Ludlam, 26 N.Y. 356 (1863) and more) and the framers of the Civil Rights Act of 1866, the 14th Amendment, the Naturalization Act of 1795, 1798, 1802, 1885, and our modern 8 U.S.C. Sec. 1401. It should be noted that during the Founding and throughout American history, there has always been a distinction between a general “citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born citizen” on the other. The law of nations did not make any specific requirements for one to be a “citizen” of a nation, for such a person was basically just a member of the civil society. Before and after the revolution, the Founders considered anyone who resided in the colonies or States and who adhered to the revolutionary cause to be a “citizen,” regardless of place of birth or condition of the parents. But the law of nations did provide for a strict definition of a “natural born citizen,” i.e., a child born in the country of citizen parents. And the Founders also adopted that stricter definition for an Article II “natural born Citizen” which applied only to one wanting to be President and Commander in Chief of the Military.

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    1. fred the protectionist

      Mega fail. If the founders were such "enlightened open borders libertarians where every foreigner who stumbled into American borders had instant Constitutional rights" then why was there slavery and indentured servitude?

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      1. little freddy

        To pick the cotton dumbass. Now we have Mexicans and they will actually work without whipping 'em.

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        1. Joan

          Not. They pay no taxes, so they not only make okay money, they go to sanctuary cities where they lie that they don't work and they get GA cash and food stamps and free medical and free housing. Heck, they make more than the middle class when you add it all up. The illegals would lose money if they became citizens because they would have to pay taxes on what they earn and the government would know they are working, so they could no longer lie to the welfare office. Some of them make big money in construction, $25 an hour. Where they would make it all up is they would get all of their kids and spouses on disability, so the taxpayers lose either way. All the people who used to be on welfare are all on permanent disability now. I saw this guy on TV the other day, strong, able bodied man, he's on full disabilty, and he's in the 7-11 buying lottery tickets and booze with his fraudulent welfare money, poor him. He was buffed, so disabled. Yeah, right. If all of the welfare frauds were working, we wouldn't need illegals to do low wage jobs.

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        2. fred the protectionist

          I'm just putting the Libertarian/Jewish "Purposive Theory" to shame and enjoying it.

          "What was the original intent of the founders" they say? Well the intent of the founders wasn't for women to have abortion, or free education for blacks, otherwise there wouldn't have been slavery and women would have been allowed to vote in 1700's-1800's long after the founding fathers were dead, Mr. Stephen Breyer Jewbertarian.

          Jewbertarians, lawl.

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      2. Kathryn Smith

        It's been proven that slavery has lowered the wage standard for all American workers...whenever there is free labor, the next paid laborer gets paid next-to-nothing, so I don't see your point, Fred. The "enlightened" created a system where free markets could flourish, and what is even more fascinating is if you watched Ron Paul's take on how slavery could be abolished, it did not have to have through a costly (in human lives and financially-speaking) war, but rather, through merely buying all of the slaves and setting them free! Now think about the special interests that controlled wanted to control American lives back then, both black and white, and see if they wanted what was in "the best interest of the people." I smell a pattern...

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        1. Know your history

          Lincoln proposed at one point to send slaves back home. He also stated if he could preserve the union by not freeing any slaves he would do it. The real issue was states rights. Lincoln freed slaves (only in the south )as a last ditch effort to win dwindling northern support for the war. Buying the slaves would not have worked.

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        2. Joan

          Know Your History, you open the devil's can of worms with this one. This is the problem. Black people typically live in ghettos or in poverty and crime in every country they live in. It ended up that it had nothing to do with slavery. It's the same in Europe, in Africa, in Haiti, and only white Europeans and white Americans save black people in Africa and Haiti. Hispanic countries have yet to help one black country, Japan is helping, they pay a lot into the IMF, China doesn't help other people of color. White people pay and pay, people of color migrate into countries created by white people, not the other way around, yet white people are always called the bad guys, and if you say one true thing you are called racist and evil, just like the illegals are doing now. They need us, need our tax money, our jobs, our country, then hate us and love Mexico. Same old game a million times done.

          The way it is now Hollywood says the whiter a black woman is the more beautiful she is, she has to have light skin, small features, straight soft hair. The black community is convinced looking white means they are beautiful. I would love to see dark skinned black women with their own hair be considered beautiful and have them stop believing looking like the people they blame for their problems makes them better. Black women should never have blonde hair, that's an insult to them, they should exercise and eat healthy, get self-esteem from working at how they look instead of just getting fake hair and fake nails and being overweight and depressed and hoping having blonde hair makes them beautiful. The black community has gotten so far off track. Soon, women like Hallie Berry won't be light enough for Hollywood. Her child, who is 3/4ths white will be the new black is beautiful in Hollywood. I remember when Angela Basset and Whitney Houston were considered beautiful black women, nowadays if you're not as white as Hallie or Alicia Keyes, you are too black. Heck, Rev. Wright, Eric Holder and Collin Powell are whiter than I am. I'm just saying. Hollywood makes them all look white and many of the men who get rich and famous marry white women, then they say white people are bad and evil and holding them down. Okay then.

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      3. Joan

        Fred, because the founding fathers believed women didn't have any right to vote, women were their property, so were black people. They were saying that all male, white, wealthy, land owners are equal, worth one equal vote, their slaves were worth part of a vote TO THEM not to the slaves, and women were worth zero parts of a vote. That's what they meant by all men are created equal. This is why when Glenn Beck goes on and on about the Constitution and hates people being taught case law, this is one of the areas where he is so out to lunch. Case law is fascinating and briliant. It's how lawyers create laws. I worked in law firms for 20 years, there is nothing better than being a part of creating laws, and any attorney has to know case laws, more than the Constitution in order to be able to get anything done, are you kidding me? If you had a case to win, would you want to know what the Constitution says or about every case law, every decision any judge has made to a case similar to yours? You would have to know all of the prior decisions, and you would have to cite them to your judge to win your case. Never mind the Constitution that was amended how many times for things like letting women vote, long after it was amended to end slavery. It is a living document, case law trumps the Constitution unless the case goes all the way to the Supreme Court. Beck wants everyone to think the founding fathers are current and so relevant, that case law is nothing, and that non-existent gods are the answer to everything. Then, of course, blame the baby boomers for everything to, and Ghandi wasn't spining his wheel holding people backwards and made cows scared while everyone was starving, and Martin Luther King was a Christian. Read Christopher Hitchen's book "God Is Not Great." Not only does it prove all religion is false, it tells how King was communist, how brilliant he was to use the white man's religion against him to fight for civil rights and what a wierdo Ghandi really was. I wish Beck would read that book. No, he will drag that nutso Mormon religion into everything and keep saying false religion is the answer, and with 85 percent of the country not going to college, everyone believes him. Oh my.

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        1. fred the protectionist

          Joan, when a civil Libertarian tries to conjure up the "founding fathers" in an argument that is liberal by today's standard, it's funny.

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  15. Kathryn Smith

    For anyone that wants to promote the freedom message, I'll tell you how I have been successful:

    Decorate your vehicle in Ron Paul flair. Enthusiasm spreads, and so does the truth. Whereever you go, whereever you can, print out and distribute the following two-paged bulleted message:

    Grassroots Campaign for Liberty: Email (Name) @ (Email address) to build America’s base! SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT:

    For 40 years, when no one else in government stood up for you,
    Texas (R) Congressman, DR. RON PAUL:
    • Voted NO to raise taxes
    • Voted NO for an unbalanced budget
    • Voted NO for federal restriction on gun ownership
    • Never had taken a government paid junket
    • Voted NO to increase the power of the Executive branch
    • Voted AGAINST the Patriot Act - unwarranted wireless tapping on U.S. citizens; Bush (“R”) VOTED FOR and Obama (D) RENEWED the “Patriot” Act!
    • Voted AGAINST regulating the Internet
    • Voted AGAINST the special interest and political wars
    • Does not participate in the lucrative Congressional Pension Program
    • Returns a portion of his annual Congressional Office Budget to the U.S. Treasury every year!
    • PASSED HR 1207 “Federal Reserve Transparency Act” (AKA “Audit the Fed” Bill with overwhelming bipartisan support
    Visit http://www.whowillwinthe2012election.com/ and VOTE YES for Ron Paul!!! (Click “vote;” Click “Ron Paul;” Click “Submit”)
    Watch Ron Paul: A New Hope @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA (8 mins, 45 secs)
    A RON PAUL REVOLUTION! CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY:

    • END THE FEDERAL RESERVE CENTRAL BANKING SYSTEM
    • END THE IRS TAX CODE ABUSED OFTEN BY HOUSE AND SENATE, AND IMPLEMENT IN ITS PLACE A FAIR/FLAT CONSUMER-BASED TAX
    • END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION FROM FLOODING HOUSING, LABOR, AND EDUCATIONAL MARKETS (USE CONSTITUTIONAL METHODS ONLY FOR LEGAL IMMIGRATION.)
    • RETURN SOVEREIGNTY (PEOPLE VOTES) TO THE STATES FOR ALL SOCIAL ISSUES
    • SHRINK THE SIZE OF GROWING FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
    • END CORRUPT AND ECONOMICALLY-OPPRESSIVE POLITICAL AND SPECIAL INTEREST WARS (“WAR ON POVERTY,” “WAR ON TERROR,” “WAR ON DRUGS,” ETC…) (These are explained by Paul in detail on websites provided – they are ignored in mainstream media)
    • STRENGTHEN U.S. MILITARY DEFENSE SYSTEM
    • STRENGTHEN AND TEST U.S. WEAPONS FOR DEFENSIVE (NOT OFFENSIVE) MEASURES (A.K.A., NON-INTERVENTIONALISM)
    • STRENGTHEN U.S. BORDERS
    • RETURN CIVIL LIBERTIES TO THE PEOPLE!
    • RETURN FREE MARKETS TO THE PEOPLE! AN UNREGULATED FREE-SOCIETY, LASSIEZ-FAIRE CAPITALISTIC ECONOMIC SYSTEM
    • END THE CORPTOCRACY (COLLUSION BETWEEN BIG GOVERNMENT AND BIG BUSINESS!) WITH A FREE SOCIETY THAT REJECTS BOTH!

    VOTE FOR RON PAUL IN THE PRIMARIES AND IN 2012! FIND OUT HOW AT www.ronpaul2012.com! HE IS LEADING ALL THE CPAC STRAW AND POPULAR OPINION POLLS BECAUSE HE SPEAKS THE LANGUAGE OF THE AMERICAN HERITAGE!

    In Liberty,

    Kat

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    1. Arnie Rosner, Fountain Valley, Ca

      Dear Kathryn

      The sad thing to realize is that all of the items you enumerated about Dr. Paul are the very positions we would expect from any honest and Constitutionally respectful representative of the American citizens. The list is really nothing special except when you compare to the positions taken by our current politicians.

      All of them? You tell me!

      So what does this say about the rest of the members of this Congress? Now I don't know about you but this is reason I advocate a citizen based policy of "do not leave nary an incumbent standing."

      Yes there may be some exceptions that merit more consideration but unless someone can figure out why and for what possible justification, all members of Congress have sold us out over Obama's ineligibility then I would have advocate removing them all including Dr. Paul.

      After all can you justify rewarding this type of betrayal under any circumstances?

      I am convinced they (the progressive movement) protest too much for this not to be the biggest single issue they fear the most. Just look at the extremes to which they are going to convince everyone this is a non-issue.

      But hey...this is just my personal observations. I amy be way off base. Certainly you are all a lot smarter than this over 73 year old. What could I possibly know?

      I mean let's face it how smart could someone be who lists all of their contact information...Right?

      Certainly no one who could be considered as credible. Just remember, at my age, I get to spell out all of the conspiracy theories I like...it comes with the territory.

      Arnie

      Available 24/7 - Defending freedom is no part-time job!
      arnie@arnierosner.com
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  16. Lisa

    I don't understand what the hesitancy is with supporting this man. He is clearly one of the most smart leaders currently in Congress. He is spot on with everything he talks about. People fear him because they are brainwashed and/or dumbed down.

    Stop these damn wars, bring our troops home, abolish the fed, the irs and restore us to sanity.

    Educate yourself to the historical significance of these entities and in addition, globalist organizations like the UN, WTO, WHO, IMF, etc. They are corrupt and brought about for control and to rob nations of their sovereignty.

    Please, people wake up.

    Lisa

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    1. Kathryn Smith

      Amen, Sista!

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    2. fred the protectionist

      "Educate yourself to the historical significance of these entities and in addition, globalist organizations like the UN, WTO, WHO, IMF, etc."

      Yes they all originate from the ideology of free trade and open borders Libertarianism.

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    3. Joan

      Lisa, the problem is he would be 80 years old when he runs, the entire conservative Jewish community is against him because he is not for supporting Israel, the conservative Republicans like Sean Hannity and Sarah Palin do not like him one bit. They want big defense, Hannity uses his show to get a lot of people elected, he wants Newt or another hard right Republican. Glenn Beck never has Ron Paul on anymore because he's taken over his followers selling them his books, he's preaching like he's on the 700 Club. Who in the media is going to get behind Ron Paul? And, like you said, most people are not educated, 85 percent of people in this country are not educated so they simply learn from Glenn Beck and believe his every word, they will vote for whoever Hannity and Palin tell them to vote for. That's the problem.

      Hannity had a big Tea Party audience on a few weeks ago when he was on the road, and he asked the audience who they wanted for president. Newt got the biggest aplause. Hannity has Newt, "Mr. Speaker" on almost every night, tons of air time for him on Fox News. The audience clapped for Palin, Mitt Romney, but, only one person clapped for Ron Paul. How to get around Fox News and get the Tea Party people to focus on something real? That's the problem.

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  17. Charlie

    Here is another fact. Social Security will be paying out more than it takes in, not in 2015 as previously predicted but THIS year.

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    1. Kathryn Smith

      Yeah, I can agree with that - the baby boomer generation is going to be sucking the system dry - not to mention that it was, what? 22 billion dollars in the hole during the Reagan years? Phew! And I don't believe it ever caught up considering the Fed has always, since its inception, been devaluing our dollar.

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      1. Joan

        This is such a wrong thing to be saying. Why did the government raise the SS tax on the baby boomers every year and hand their money to the WWII generation who paid one-half of one percent into SS and paid zero in Medicare? Everyone in this country has been on the backs of the baby boomers from start to finish, the older generation and the younger generations. All you care is that they don't get paid. Why didn't the government stop all of this decades ago? Why did they take all of that money from that generation and hand it to the WWII generation just to get votes? Most of those people were filthy rich, and it's wrong what the government did. This one of the many problems with Glenn Beck. He tells people to hate this generation that fought for civil rights, women's rights, who questioned our nation going to war, who all worked, the first generation to get educations, first generation of women who went to college and worked in professional jobs, first generation to deal with alcoholism and drug addictions, first generation to fight racism, to bring things like incest out in the open. All Beck has to do is lie "blame this generation" with no knowledge of what they did and everyone piles on them. He tells everyone god is the anwer to everything, there is no god, yet everyone believes him. He talks about Martin Luther King, Jr. having to clue he was actually communist and skillfully used the white man's religion to fight him for civil rights. He talks about Ghandi, has no clue he messed things up, he talks about the founding fathers were so great, has no clue they didn't let women vote and didn't let black people vote, they were the founding fathers' slaves. Please, everyone, stop listening to Glenn Beck. Stop the insanity.

        The WWII generation bankrupted SS and Medicare, we have gotten zero out of it, while the last three younger generations have their kids on it and themselves on it, via faking disability. Enough bashing the only decent, functioning generation in this country. When Beck comes on, turn the TV off, stop the madness. Take a college classes instead and get some factual information.

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    2. Lewis Carroll

      It already has been, Chuckie. The SS coffer is full of IOUs from the DoD, and as we all know, the DoD isn't an investment firm... per se

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      1. fred the protectionist

        SS was working fine until the open-border/free-traders destroyed the middle class.

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        1. Joan

          Fred, SS stopped working when Clinton got rid of permanent welfare, they all moved over to being permanently disabled. There are about 30 million people claiming to be permanently disabled now, and they just happened to be people who never worked, who had been on welfare and kids who's parents are also on it. Can you hear that giant sucking sound? Also, you can't pay old people 3 grand a month when they are living to be 100 because they paid one-half of one percent into it back in the 60s and 70s and not dry up the funds in one generation.

          It's the same exact situation with the government pensions. As long as the baby boomers worked and paid taxes for the WWII folks to get their state pensions, all was well. Now that this large generation is retiring, it's the same as with SS, the states will not have the taxes coming in to pay their for their pensions. The younger generations drop out of high school, live off of the government, have kids to get money from the government, Jamie Oliver said the last three generations in this country don't know how to cook, that's part of why they are obese. There's no one left to pay the pensions nor for SS. The young people don't care that the WWII generation bankrupted the pensions and SS and Medicare, all they care is they want everything for free at 20, 30 years of age, all they ever say is they want the generation that paid for everything to die quickly so they can get their socialism at a much younger age, then they all say they hate socialism and want smaller government. Yeah, right. They want SS at 20, people are only fighting over all grabbing entitlement programs, heck, they want an entire generation to die fast to secure their social programs. I say a one way ticket out of here is the best idea.

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  18. Charlie

    Here is a fact you can believe in 'F' and verify as well. The IMF reports that the US debt will equal or surpass 100% of the GDP by 2015. The report goes on to say that the US must reduce the structural deficit by 12 % of the GDP. In comparison their recommendation for Greece is only a 9% reduction of the GDP. When the US loses it's triple A bond rating, other countries will shed US bond/dollar investments and our dollar will collapse. The truth is we must cut costs as 1 trillion dollar annual deficits that are predicted are unsustainable. America is now at a critical crossroad.

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    1. Kathryn Smith

      I don't know how to rate this because it is bad news, but well-reported, lol! However, I hardly see how the government, as is, is going to reduce (anything) by 1 trillion dollars (per unit of any time period)! Ron Paul could do it - he has some MAJOR "cutting spending" plans in place that are very practical, as well as thought-out means of achieving them. It may require some hardship on the people's part at first, but I'd rather face the anticipated hardship of reversing this 100-years of mess than the unanticipated hardship of letting it fester further!

      Thanks for sharing!

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    2. Arnie Rosner, Fountain Valley, Ca

      Hi Charlie,

      Would you please be kind enough to reveal the source of your confidence in the following, "Here is a fact you can believe in ‘F’ and verify as well. The IMF reports"

      Thanks,

      Arnie

      Available 24/7 - Defending freedom is no part-time job!
      arnie@arnierosner.com
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  19. Noogie

    I didn't take Mr. Paul seriously in his first run.

    However, I am not only reconsidering but now hoping he will run for 2012. His perseverance in auditing the Fed is impressive to me as far as integrity.

    Sarah is ok, but I am afraid that her charismatic personality could put us in a quagmire much like Obama's zombie base has put his.

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  20. F

    Just a simple question fot those that seem so up to date in info:

    how do you know how much is spent in welfare, food stamps, medicare/aid, in fancy surgeries an all that you are citing? were do you find that? no one will believe it if you have no facts that can be verified.

    If you show people solid data and make clear the flow of the economy money there will be real hope to make changes, as long as is simple but backed up with irrefutable facts. People are not dumb and will take side as long as a clear and real option is put forward.

    Most people know there are problems, that the ones that WORK HARD and pay into the common good are not getting benefits, all is needed is a clear picture, facts, and a goal. Well, would you please show the facts to back up your comments before you continue to list the burden of welfare.

    FYI: I've never, ever collected welfare or even seen in my life a food stamp, or applied for unemployement, so that explains why I don't know the system and don't want to use it. Period.

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    1. Kathryn Smith

      This is very good question, actually LOL! It may actually prove our point even more so that Paul is needed and everyone else has been a complete failure. Considering that our FEDERAL government has not kept track of its spending and accounting in decades (in purpose), and has falsified data when it has been questioned on it (such as job creation, welfare, and the costs of the unconstitutional wars), NO ONE really knows what things are funded and why! LOL! I'm laughing not because it is funny, but because it is INSANE! And it is just....Sigh....And they call Paul loony? They call HIM crazy? YEAH! Ron Paul is the nutjob....HA! Whatever.

      As for the states, they have borrowed SO MUCH money from the Federal Government, that they cannot keep track of what came in and what went out and what money covered which program, and what debt is paid and what new accumulating debt is going to remain an unfunded liability, and so forth....!

      So, let's make it simple - Vote Ron Paul 2012, throw the bums in Congress out 2010, and let's get some folks in like Paul who understand 1) American tradition and heritage, 2) Economics, Accounting, and Finance, 3) The Constitution and the Rule of Law, and 4) World and US History!

      Thanks,
      Kat

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  21. Kim

    Ron Paul should run on a ticket with Michelle Bachman for VP. That would be an educated, intelligent, good-looking and country-saving ticket!

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    1. Kathryn Smith

      Ron Paul-Judge Napolitano 2012 (or whoever Paul deems appropriate, because he has better judgment, more courage, and more integrity than 99.99% of anyone else who has ever ran or is currently running this country). Then we will go from there. =)

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    2. Citizen

      Kim,
      For what its worth...
      Judge Andrew Napolitano would be a great VP too...
      http://www.judgenap.com/

      I grant you that Michelle Bachman is awesome !
      Sara Palin is a little to "gushy" and "glitzee" , i.e. hard to take real serious but she's spot on with her topics.
      Michelle is really tough, especially when she grilled Timmy Gietner about where the Constitution authorized the Government to bail private banks out.
      This will develop in time
      ************Ron Paul for President****************

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      1. Kathryn Smith

        Paul and the Bachmann/Palin foreign policies clash. I think that Bachmann is well-meaning like Palin, and she does have more experience in the unruly rule-making Congress than Palin has in her governing/mayoring career, but I think that the Paul-Bachmann thing would resemble to much of a McCain-Palin thing of the 2008 election, and many brainless, half-wits would not vote on that ticket because of the simple fact that they don't KNOW the candidates and it resembles something of POP CULTURE. Even though both folks are awesome (Paul beyond comprehensible belief), the media would dupe it. Hope that makes sense...

        Based on credentials though, I don't know enough about Bachmann to say that she would be strong, but I heard her on Michael Savage, the War Room, and other radio shows, as well as at the DC TEA party, so if she is sincere about restoring morality to America by merely not restricting our religious freedoms as our current FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS, she could make an excellent secretary of state (or serve some other vital member of the cabinet).

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        1. Joan

          I like Michele Bachmann a lot too. The first time I heard her talk, she came right out with it what Cap and Trade is, that it is a huge tax, gave all of the facts and stats about it. She is smart and hard hitting, and she gives tons of information about things that most of the other politicians will not come out and say. I like her. I agree with you. She's different than Palin. Bachmann is a career politician, she has no intention of quiting her job to get wealthy writing books and doing TV shows. Palin is a mess in so many ways. Even people who hate Nancy Pelosi dislike Palin just as much. She went too far quitting her job and then all of the greed. It's gone off the charts, and she never shuts up when she's not even a politician any longer.

          I do like the idea of a woman or minority male running with Ron Paul. The Republican party has been labeled the party of old white guys, while the Dems ran the first woman candidate and the first African-American candidate. I personally like Bobby Jindal a lot. He's an action person, he gets things done, he's very bright, he balanced his budget and created more jobs than any other state while dealing with Katrina. Now, he has to deal with this massive oil spill. I saw a great photo the other day of him and President Obama talking one-on-one on an airplane, very powerful picture. I don't know what Ron Paul thinks about Bobby Jindal, but he's young and smart and he gets things done, and, he would be the first East Indian VP candidate. Bachmann is good too, she's got her head on straight. Palin will scare the independent voters off, the middle of the road people would have a hard time with Palin.

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  22. Peter Schiff

    The collapse of the USA is too far along to stop. I think Ron Paul is right, but I don't think the zombie citizens of this country can be saved. The only action you can take is to buy gold, since 1 oz = Dow Jones, in the next few years, just like in 1929 and 1980. The key to understanding that gold is not in a bubble is the 30 year interest rate, currently at 5%. When gold was in a bubble in 1980, it was 25%, so we have a very long way to go in the bull market in gold, buy now, watch the USA collapse.

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    1. Citizen

      Peter,
      Silver, the poor mans gold, is a better value right now for the typical American citizen to swap out for his/her Federal Reserve Notes.

      Ron Paul makes a great point about the "Bond Bubble", who in their right mind, for that matter even their left mind, would buy a TEN year Bond? I suspect that the Treasury will soon have to raise their Bond discounts much higher because the yields will soon be (or already are) negative, loss of principal.

      The Chief Government Alchemist, Timmy Gietner, is still unable to COUNTERFEIT gold or silver, that's why I prefer gold and silver to Benny's and Timmy's COUNTERFEIT Federal Reserve Notes

      Again Ron Paul's bill to permit use of Alternative Competing Currencies, gold or silver should be allowed. Ron Paul is Right!

      ****************RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT************************

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    2. Charlie

      That was a stupid attempt to run down Peter Schiff. He does not believe we are doomed unless we fail to reclaim America. Peter Schiff is a smart man running for the senate and whoever you are ......are brain dead.

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    3. Kathryn Smith

      As for those who are educable, educate them. As for those who are collectivist, comformist zombies, let them follow our philosophy of liberty in their cult-like fashion. Either way, everyone, once they realize what it means to be free and an individual, will tear free from the Federal system of control. 73% of America has snapped out of it - the rest are waiting for the rude awakening. They will get theirs.

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  23. Steve

    I support the abolishing of the Federal Reserve, but I have some major concerns with some of Paul's ideas. Specifically, when he talks about entitlement. Is he referring to the elderly on Social Security? The disabled receiving SSDI? What does he mean by a nation that encourages others not to work? If one is old and frail, or disabled they obviously cannot work. Do we abandon them? And if the unemployment rate is currently close to 10% there are not enough jobs for people who even do want to work. Do away with entitlement programs like Social Security and SSDI and the unemployment figures with be closer to 30% to 40%. Can someone explain this to me? If Paul stands any chance to win a election, he has to support to the most vulnerable in our society: they vote too. A nation is also measured by the way they treat their most vulnerable.

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    1. fred the protectionist

      The Libertarian/Neocons would just rather have the old and disabled die off so they can make more money.

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    2. Kathryn Smith

      A nation of victims and nonself-sufficient, government-dependent sheep are not candidates for true freedom. They must be transformed, and transformed they will – whether in this lifetime or another, they will see the truth. When those who are willing to help their friends, family, neighbors, churches, local schools, and communities have the shackles of a Federal government removed from their tired and soar bodies, the first thing they will do with their acquired wealth is give back to those truly in need. It is only human nature, for a large majority of moral Americans, to do so. Yet, with increased Federal control, demoralization has stricken our society like a cancer. The only cure? Freedom of the individual to do as he or she pleases with his or her life, liberty, and property. For those who do not need nor do not seek help, they will be left to perish. Jesus said, "The poor will ALWAYS be among us." No matter what type of political, economic, or social class strata system you advocate, there will always be poor among you - the weak, the suffering. I foresee a strong transition from faith in the State to faith in God when Paul is elected President in 2012 and the people rise to the occasion! When that happens, people's souls will be strengthened and they will endure what many believe now to be the unendurable. People will be stronger than ever to get through tough times. When the collapse of our economy becomes readily apparent to all, and Paul is President, we will see a great cry for freedom like none other in recent history - at least not in the past several generations. When you think about the fallacies and falsifications - the futileness - of government-run programs such as SS and Medicare, you start thinking to yourself...is there anything more to life than this? Then you begin watching Dr. Paul speak, as he provides answers that (albeit those requiring self-sacrifice) restore sanity, freedom, liberty, and peace to our nation. Consequently, you start to equate his messages with those of Jesus, and you think to yourself, "Thank you, God! I am listening to a latter-day prophet; I am in safe hands, and even if the world comes to an end and the government attacks American citizens (e.g., terrorists) for protesting Federal policy, I am safe and sound in heaven with Ron Paul et al..."

      Sorry to get a bit off track, but if the above didn't answer your question, the answer is "No, we do not abandon our fellow man, but God gives everyone free will to do His charitable deed. If the government deprives you of your ability to act competently towards that end, God has mercy on you. Those (e.g., the government) who thwart others (the people) from being charitable and practicing courage and faith are the ones that ought to fear God now the most."

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  24. Steve

    I support the abolishing of the Federal Reserve, but I have some major concerns with some of Paul's ideas. Specifically, when he talks about entitlement. Is he referring to the elderly on Social Security? The disabled receiving SSDI? What does he mean by a nation that encourages others not to work? If one is old and frail, or disabled they obviously cannot work. Do we abandon them? And if the unemployment rate is currently close to 10% there are not enough jobs for people who even do want to work. Do away with entitlement programs like Social Security and SSDI and the unemployment figures will be closer to 30% to 40%. Can someone explain this to me? If Paul stands any chance to win a election, he has to support to the most vulnerable in our society: they vote too. A nation is also measured by the way they treat their most vulnerable.

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    1. Kathryn Smith

      Sure...I'll tell you what Paul is saying about entitlements. When he becomes President, he will gradually wean folks off the Federal welfare state, and return sovereignty to the states to decide which welfare programs are supported. For those programs that are not supported, or those states that choose not to a free market (that is, an unregulated, untaxed capitalistic system) will not that 10% unemployment rate right down to near-1 percent (there is no such thing as 0% unemployment). Most folks will be able to afford their own means of living, for the elderly, handicapped, and unemployed who just simply cannot work, churches, communities, neighbors, family, and CHARITY will be able to function again full throttle because the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT would be off their backs stealing all of their money and they will finally be able to fund their neighbor (you know, love your neighbor as yourself? Jesus actually believed in a form of grassroots socialism, if you think about it - yet, he didn't EVER indicate that GIVING should be mandated. When giving is voluntary and bottom-up, then you will notice that a lot more giving occurs). Does that make sense? For example, if I worked and made 100% of my paycheck because Ron Paul abolished the IRS, then I would have a WHOLE lot more money to play around with - I could pay all my bills, put some in privatized SS and Medicare accounts, and then on top of all of that, give it to church, give it to other folks, and help out my community! This could all happen, mind you, working at BURGER KING as a bottom-level employee because I would be getting paid an un-taxed minimum wage, and my dollar would be worth a dollar after PAUL GOT RID OF THE FED! Or the Fed got rid of itself - whichever happens first. =)

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      1. Joan

        If you worked at Burger King and didn't pay taxes, you wouldn't bring in enough money to rent an apt. and buy and insure and maintain a car. You would never have enough to pay $600 or more a month for health insurance, if you got sick, charity will help you? There is nothing stopping people from doing charity right now. Rich people do it all the time for tax write-offs, they start charities and funnel their money into the charities because it's tax free, and then pay family members to work for their charities. Many hospitals are funded by the Catholic church, it still costs taxpayers several trillion dollars per year to provide Medicare and Medicaid to the people who go to those hospitals. You could never buy a home working at Burger King, you wouldn't not have one cent to give to charity, and you would qualify for food stamps and free medical yourself, just like the people who are paid slave wages working at Walmart. You wouldn't have one cent to give to anyone else, and the government couldn't give people free educations, no money for everyone's "disabled" children, no special needs money, no disability payments, no free health care. You would be dependent on charity for many of your needs and so would everyone else, and, no one in today's world, with the greed everyone has today, is going to give money to charity for other people. Most people have tons of money retired and are fighting and fighting for socalism, for their 3,000 a month SS payments for themselves and their spouses who didn't pay into it so they can take trips to Europe, they would never give their socialism money to charities. No one is going to do that. Everyone I talk to fights and fights over wanting the 100 trillion dollars paid to them in social programs, then all says they don't want to pay any taxes, they don't want to pay for anything. People don't want the government telling them not to be obese, then they want the government to pay for their health care when they get sick from it. They don't want the government telling them how to raise their children, but ask the government to pay them for their children having problems, being disabled, ask for special education for free, ask the government to pay them to mind their disabled children. Everyone wants to be paid from the government, but no one wants to be told what to do, they don't want socialism, but they want all the social programs, they don't want to pay taxes, but they want smaller government while taking all the free government money and help they can get. No one is going to fund trillions of dollars in government programs through charity instead. How come not one person has said they would give up SS and Medicare, not one person will ever say they will give up government money and government health care, but everyone says they don't want socialism? People in this country want all of the taxpayer funded programs, then say they don't want to pay taxes. People are not even at a point of admitting what it is they really want. That's why you see Beck followers protesting against socialism, and asking for 100 plus trillion in social program payments for themselves. Unless they all agree to give up Medicare and Social Security to go Libertarian, their real fight is for a VAT tax and for socialism. Socialism works okay, it works really well in some countries, like Sweden. Beck sells it as the evil of the world, but this country has long since been socialist and everyone loves the programs they have been receiving. Most people love Medicare, love welfare, love receiving disability payments for their children, free educations. No one is going to give any of it up, and charity isn't going to replace any of it. The only reason people are all fighting over SS and Medicare and welfare now is because they used up all of the free money, there's no more money to give out.

        It's like Beck's stuff about unions. Without unions a a living wage, the middle class work for slave wages, like fast food restaurants and service jobs. 70 percent of our economy is consumerism, buying stuff, so without the middle class making union wages or living wages, the economy goes under.

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    2. Charlie

      Ron Paul doesn't want to just cut off people who are depending on Social Security. He envisions a gradual phase out of this failing program with tax free individual contributions to your own retirement account. Now if you trust the government to do a better job of managing your future than yourself.....take a look at what they've done. There is a misconception that our money is in the SSI trust fund. The SSI trust has nothing but government IOU's and is funded by a ponzi scheme. As payments come due, bond auctions are held and if there aren't enough buyers the Fed buys them back to keep the illusion going. Our national debt in reality is not to China or Japan. It is all due and payable to the Federal Reserve who holds the mortgage on America. When the ponzi scheme collapses the elderly and disabled will be in the same boat as the rest of us, penniless. This is why the Fed refuses to be audited.

      If you took all the wealth of this country and redistributed it evenly among the people, in 30 days there would be rich and poor again. A "true" socialism would be utopia but it just won't work due to human nature. Americans are charitable and help each other but the government takes our money by force and redistributes it as they see fit.

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      1. Joan

        Charlie, you are so right. If you distributed all of the money evenly, it would all be back in the hands of Bill Gates and Warren Buffett and George Soros, Donald Trump, etc. within a year. You totally get the social programs too. I've been debating people in different chatboards for about two months now about SS and Medicare. I have two people in an MSNBC board right now saying same old mantra, we paid for it, we would have invested our 6 percent and made millions. They all know it's welfare after one year, they all have known this since the 1970s from seeing their grandparents or parents on it. They all know they pay 5K or so into Medicare and saw their parents get end of life care that cost 500K or saw their grandparents get free open heart surgery, hip replacements, knee replacements, expensive scans, on and on. You can't get one of them off of they want 100 trillion in socialism, yet you can't get one off them off of they want smaller government and a balanced budget and that they hate socialism.

        I do not think the American people have a clue they are doing socialism and love it and are fighting to keep it, and, they are going to lose it over not admiting they want it and not fighting for it. Sean Hannity said last week they are going to means test SS now, which means only the poor will get it. So, rather than everyone saying they want it but they hate Obama and hate socialism, they should admit they want it and lobby the Dems for a VAT tax in exchange for full SS and Medicare, and lobby the Dems for a VAT tax for universal health care, and just get on with it.

        I have people right now in an MSNBC chatboard saying why do I like Europe or Sweden being socialist, or telling me to go move to Greece if I like socialism, while they are telling me how dare me tell them to give up SS and Medicare, they want the 100 trillion in free stuff. No one is admitting what they want. I think people have become too dependent on these things to go without them in the future, I think people are fighting for them in reality, and I think we should go VAT tax and have the finest health care and pay them all the free stuff they want. The younger generations don't even want to work until they are 20, everyone is so dependent on the government, 1/4th of all children in this country are on food stamps, so it's the tipping point. Either all of it is going to stop and people will make their own way, or we have to go to a big VAT tax and universal health care and fully fund SS and Medicare permanently. If they let the Dems ration Medicare and means test SS instead of saying they are willing to pay a VAT tax for it, they are going to lose it.

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    3. Ruth

      Social Security is insurance. When you work you pay the premiums out of every check you get. It is not charity, you pay for it. The only reason the SS program is in trouble is because the gov has spent the money on other things instead of keeping it for the people who have paid for it. Now they are trying to make out like the elderly are a burden on society.

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      1. Joan

        Sean Hannity said last week that the government is going to means test Social Security now. If you paid 30K into it, you and your spouse get $1,500 a month each out of it, that's $36K in one year of payments. So, if people have pensions and other incomes, they will only get maybe 5 times what they paid in, 5 years of payments. It would take 45 trillion dollars to hand out all of that free money. The Cato Institute says they should stop the payments for a female spouse who didn't pay into it too because a woman who works and pays into it gets the same as a women who never worked. It's double payments if a man pays into it, but if a woman pays into it, her husband doesn't get it for her paying ito it. So, hopefully that big free payout to the non-contributing spouse will be stopped and stop a little of the bleeding. Also, they will give people with other incomes when retired a voucher for 12,000 a year to buy their own health care. The government can no longer pay out a million plus to every person and their spouse who paid 5K into it to get health care for the rest of their lives.

        Also, they should gut SSI completely. That would take about 35 million people off of it who never paid into it, and put them all back to work. It's all young people doing disability fraud. They would have to work and pay taxes instead of eating up tax money.

        People have to decide if they are Libertarians or if they want socialism. Since everyone beyond loves SS and Medicare, we should go fully socialist, provide for everyone, not just the elderly. That's the problem, our country's socialism only provides for one segment of society, that's why everyone has hijacked it and what everyone is really fighting over. We might as well go Sweden, full socialism, not just 100 trillion for old people. If we did that, old people would no longer want it because it would mean a 20 percent VAT tax to do social programs for everyone. It would take a 10 percent VAT tax on everyone to pay out the 100 trillion for SS and Medicare, so we can all pay 10 percent for it, or begin to privatize Medicare and means test SS.

        They should have means tested it two decades ago, privatized Medicare the minute they saw the advanced medicine costs bankrupting Medicare. As soon as the expenses hit one trillion, the politicians should have scrambled to stop the bleeding and have started paying for insurance premiums instead of paying for the surgeries and health care itself. They should never have left rich people on SS for 35 years, 34 years of free money to wealthy people, and they should never have raised it up every year to get votes. It should have stayed a small supplemental income only for widows or people who worked but don't have a pension or spouse to support them, and when the WWII generation lived to be 100, not 62, the politicians should have changed the retirement age to 75 and realized they were creating trillions in expenses they could only pay out to one generation. This shows all of us how stupid the government is and it shows the politicians only give out free money to get votes, once the free money is gone, they end the programs. That's what they are doing right now.

        They just unfunded Medicare by 500 billion, sent it into rationed care, and last week, Sean Hannity said they are going to look at how much people make retired now, and people will have to pass a test proving they need SS. All of those people who say they would have invested their 6 percent and made millions, but who never invested one cent of the rest of their income and didn't make millions, will have to take their big retirements and put their money where their mouth is and make their millions after they retire.

        The politicians givith and the politicians take it away, depending on how much it is going to cost and where the votes are. They're more concerned with snagging the 20 million votes from the illegals by giving them amnesty right now, than by trying to fund over 100 trillion they cannot get to get votes from old people.

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        1. fred the protectionist

          The CATO institute is pro-slavery, doesn't matter what they say.

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    4. Joan

      Steve, I think the social programs would be gradually cut out. I saw a report from the Cato Institute that said that every household pays $550 a year to pay for Section 8 housing. It costs billions of dollars, creates nothing but crime and problems. They could give everyone on free taxpayer money housing two year notices that they will have to find another way to live, move home with family members, get a job and pay rent, give them time to move on. There are a lot of things that could be done to keep some of the programs in place, but only for indigent people who worked and paid taxes. For example, they are now going to do a means test for social security, they do not have the money to give out, so they are going to see how much you make retired, and start only giving SS to indigent people who worked and paid into it. There are about 35 million people on disability, 99 percent of them are not disabled, it's all a scam because when Clinton ended permanent welfare, they all moved over to permanent disability, and hit gold because they found out they can get their children on it too, big bucks. They need to redefine who is totally disabled, anyone who can raise children and drive a car and go to a health club is not disabled. They need to gut disability benefits for alcoholics, obesity, drug abuse, AHDD, OCD, most of it. Go back to the old days when it was for blind and deaf people. It's become a way of life for the younger generations, most couple SSI with welfare cash and food stamps and free housing and make a lot more than the middle class does. They can do things like make a law that no one can apply for welfare unless they have worked for five years first, a pay-in system like Social Security, or like here in CA, one of the candidates for governor is now running on making people work or welfare, no welfare for illegals, they just cut a lot of free stuff because the state went broke over it. There's more people living off of the state, counties and feds than working in CA, so it went under.

      SS and Medicare is a ponzy scheme. While the politicians handed out all the free money and free health care to the WWII generation who paid almost zero into both programs, the politicians raised their payments from $200 a month, a small supplemental income, up to as high as $1,500 a month to get their votes. Young people saw wow, 1,500 a month for free, free health care, free prescription drugs, so many make it up they are disabled to cash in on the big free money. How many young people can work and get full health care and prescription drugs for free, and take home 1,500 after taxes with no education and no effort? SS was paid for by the 75 million baby boomers all working and paying 6 percent of their income into it. In those days, 41 people paid in for 1 person receiving it. Now that this huge generation wants to begin to retire, the younger generations have gone back to women not working, getting their kids on disability, getting themselves on disability and welfare, there is no large, hard working, educated generation to pay into SS to pay the baby boomers. Now it's 4 people paying in for 1 person who receives it.

      It only worked for one generation as long as there was a huge working generation behind it paying for it. Now, they took 500 billion out of Medicare to gut it and make rationed care. That's the only way they can try to save it. The Republicans and the Cato Institute have come up with plans to privatize it, pay people 12,000 a year to purchase medical insurance themselves, which would save the program. The way it is now, people pay 5K or so into it in their lifetimes, and the government pays for every doctor appointment, surgery, test, meds and so on. It would take 100 trillion (with a T) to hand out all the free health care to the baby boomers. People say they paid into it, yeah, 5K or 10K max and want full health care for themself and their spouse for 25-35 years. It's not even socialized medicine, it's basically free after the first few months. Same with SS. There are 75 million people on it now, with another 75 milllion baby boomers wanting to go on it. For decades the government paid filthy rich old people all of that free money, so now they are going to means test it, if you have a large pension, other incomes, you won't get it for very long.

      I don't agree charity or churches will pick up the slack that is needed to solve these problems. False gods are not real, not one thing will get accomplished with that type of thinking. It's an easy escape route for people to get rid of social programs and feel good about it. These things need to be phased out slowly in order to get dependent people off of them safely. There are generations in this country who have never worked one day, so it makes sense to do a phase out system that includes job training and that gives people fair warning that the free ride is over. I do think the welfare, SS and Medicare programs should be kept in place, not dependency on charities, but disability needs to be redefined, SSI should be done away with, 99 percent of it is welfare fraud, SS should be means tested and only given to the payee to make it fair, Medicare should be privatized, it's either that or rationed care.

      The other thing we have to all look at is the expense of advanced medicine. The only real way people would be able to continue to get expensive tests and procedures is if we did do universal health care and do a 10-15 perent VAT tax. That would bring in trillions per year, which is how much you need to give the finest health care to 320 million people. Private insurance can no longer make a profit because it counted on larger populations of young people not getting sick. Today, young people are obese, have autism, most families have at least one child on disability, the biggest generation is old now, so private insurance has no young, healthy market to offset a large aging generation. I think people will have to either decide on lower care, rationed care, or become willing to pay a big VAT tax if they want to continue to have expensive surgeries and tests. It's up to the people, but the days of it's all free, Medicare is free, Medicaid is free, Medicare has 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities, and Medicaid is bankrupting states as I type. So, the days of no one pays for medical care and it comes from outer space and it's all free are over. Unfunded liabilities means the government added up how much money they gave out to the WWII generation in Medicare, they multiply it by the 75 million baby boomers who will go onto it, and they come up with it would cost over 100 trillion dollars to give the baby boomer generation Medicare. It took in less than 1 trillion, and would need 100 trillion to pay for surgeries and tests and meds and doctor's appointments for 75 million people. It's a ponzi scheme that would have continued working if the next generations were larger, healthy, educated and working, but that's not the case.

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  25. Arnie Rosner, Fountain Valley, Ca

    Dr. Paul makes incredible sense out of this current dilemma we face. I am impressed with the manner in which he has identified the issues and then addressed the manner in how we deal with implementing the solutions.

    At this point I support his views completely. I am also encouraged to support him in his bid for office of the president.

    My only concern is whether he can provide the necessary proof that he is a natural born citizen, under the requirements of the constitution, in order to be eligible for that high office?

    My fear is based on the current set of circumstances where there is serious doubt about the person occupying this position as president and the total failure of the 111th Congress to responsibly deal with this issue, in a manner that is consistent with their sworn oath of office.

    Mr. Paul, also being a member of this select group, has some culpability for the apparent failure of the current application of the constitutional law. How does Mr. Paul respond to this set of circumstances?

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    1. Arnie Rosner, Fountain Valley, Ca

      I would like to express my thanks to those of you who took time to express your opinion by placing a "thumbs down" on my post. Now if you would be so kind as to express your thoughts on the matter I would be even more grateful to learn of your reasons.

      I always appreciate hearing how others view a situation. It helps me to better understand and to broaden my point of view. Certainly you know how to reach me.

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      1. fred the protectionist

        They probably thumbs downed you for putting your full name, telephone number (both of them), e-mail address, city and state. Hey what's your address and social security number?

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    2. Arnie Rosner, Fountain Valley, Ca

      Well I am disappointed at no response to my request. Is that because:
      - No interest?
      - No guts?
      - No ethics?
      - No spine?
      - Comment rating is a function of a Paulobot?

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      1. Barney

        Ignore Fred, he usually just post to this site for cathartic release of his bitterness.

        I didn't give you the finger, but I thought what you said was caustic. Questioning Ron Paul's citizenship is lame to the 33rd degree, his roots here are at least 3G. If there had been any question of Obama's citizenship, don't you thing the vicious negative campaign vultures working for the RNC would have drug it out during the campaign? Look at what they did to the esteemed Senator and distinguished war veteran John Kerry; they would definitely not have passed up such an easy target. So to raise the point after the squid puppet is President is to be cliche, like closing the barn doors after the horses have all escaped.

        Since you brought it up I think Orley Taints is worth discussing. This woman of apparently inadequate skills as a dental professional, at least in this country, is a Soviet refuge. She like many others professed to being Jewish in order to get out of the economic collapse of that system. She was routed to Israel, where she was assigned a handler and groomed for implantation to the USA. After the usual 2 year 'orientation'/quarantine, she was installed in the USA. She probably reports to her MOSSAD handlers weekly, and would have little clue as to what I am writing here. The pattern is, recruiting of desperate Eastern Europeans by the MOSSAD to manipulate the USA... and other targeted countries.

        So Fountain Valley boy, go scout out the MOSSAD moles in your neighborhood. I would start near the temple, but not too close: the Jewish mafia will take you out on orders from IS, they are terribly active in California. You'll do better if you do your homework and target the "jewish" Russian refugees who were processed through Israel. est. 40%

        Spine? Spleen? Ethics? I was just being polite to what seemed a crank post. Try coding a bot that dissects idiots...

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        Sorry for the echos, I resubmitted 2x before realizing the web server overloaded.

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        Barney

        How can you say that about John Kerry? The person most responsible for the bad treatment of our Vietnam Veterans of which I am one. Even worse than "Hanoi" Jane Fonda. The man who started the lies that Vietnam Vets were baby killers. At least Jane apologized. A person who droped his draws and shot the moon at the Whitehouse and wiped his butt with the American Flag.

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      4. Arnie Rosner, Fountain Valley, Ca

        Hey Barney....

        Thank you immensely. It is great that you responded. I certainly appreciate your concerns but perhaps you misunderstood the manner in which I expressed my issue. I apologize for my ineptitude.

        I am sure you too being the bright guy you are can clearly see that Congress has the responsibility to deal with Obama lack of eligibility. Now as you point out, Dr. Paul is a great patriot and certainly one who need not defend his patriotism, but therein lies the enigma. Under the weight of such mounting evidence to challenge Obama, how is it such a man of honor and principle if giving this issue a free pass?

        I am confident that Dr. Paul of any member of Congress knows the truth just the same as the rest of Congress. I see Dr. Paul as the one with the necessary integrity to stand up and be counted in this hour of need. You see Barney, the eligibility issue is the one issue that has the entire progressive movement scared to death. This is their Achilles' heel and Dr. paul has it within his power to deal this whole nightmare the deathblow it deserves.

        How about Barney...? Did I do a better job of explaining my position? Can you find fault with this line of reasoning?

        By the way Barney, I put my info on line because I take responsibility for my comments.

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  26. MARSHALL MORETTA

    I like most of what I've heard FROM Ron Paul, particularly on economic & military issues. There is a lot of speculation on positions by his supporters that sounds suspect. Ron is the only candidate in my lifetime (71) who is consistent and firm on his issues and humble as well.

    My only reservation is that I don't know his positions on abortion (I'm a secular humanist - for choice/against abortion), prayer in schools (I'm a secular humanist - prayer should certainly be not part of government), foreign aid (get it to people, not bureaucrats), how does the economy work w/o the Fed?. If anyone knows of a place where there are line item positions on various issues, please let me know. Thanks.

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    1. Kathryn Danner

      I understand your sentiments, but consider this:

      Ron Paul is not anti-choice. He is pro freedom of choice in all personal, individual issues. That is what Libertarianism is. However, he wants states to decide whether or not folks can have abortions. If it is as the Federal level, then ALL Americans have to fund a FEDERAL abortion program for those who want abortions, even if women who are not having, or who strongly disapprove of them, do not want to fund that. That immediately takes away freedom of choice (how to spend your money, religious freedom, personal freedom).

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJRu-FAwdtA

      Secondly, and perhaps of more consequence, imagine you have three presidential candidates: A Romney (R), an Obama (D), and a Paul (because that is how I sincerely see it being).

      Then you present the VERY important issues of War, deficits, national debt, the Patriot Act and spying on citizens/assassinations, ending the fed, the IRS, and abortion to these men....Paul is the only one that says "I'm for ending the wars, national debt, patriot act, spying on citizens, assassinations of American citizens, ending the Fed, ending the IRS, but, personally, I believe abortion is wrong and should not be dealt with at the Federal level, and therefore, I want the states to handle that issue. Obama and Romney both agree that the Federal government should handle abortion and other social issues. Who are you going to go with?

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  27. Robert Ahrend

    I believe he might be just the answer and we return to our roots of what our Founding Fathers wanted this great nation to be and to return Prayer to our schools along with teachings of the Bible and yes we must move to alternative forms of energy along with using new methods for construction such as modular homes and buildings and Al Gore was quite right and his book "An Inconvenient Truth" was pointing us in the right direction and Global Warming is a fact and not fiction as to many people are believing.

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    1. Mr. Miller

      You're a dumbass, but a Ron Paul fan non the less so I won't go to hard on you. We don't need to get into modular homes or any of your other green bullshit. We need to allow the markets to run there course unsubsidized and let the markets determine prices, essentialy the buyers choice. We don't need to put the bible quaran or any other fairytale in to school because that notion is in support of a goverment mandate. We need to treat schools like markets allow choice, people like you(dolts) can send their kids to bible school or quaran school or whatever choice of school they prefer. Get government out! Allow competition to fester and the entire sector will THRIVE! Do you know anything about Ron Paul or how almost all your points he would be against? Run along sheep!

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      1. Kathryn Smith

        I like what you have to say about markets taking over and free enterprise running its course. It, by nature, regulates itself, and keeps folks in check. It is a natural check and balance system that does not undermine or override anyone's free will or individualism. In such a system (particularly in modern society), this works JUST fine. And for the fella above you that thinks there is an energy crisis and global warming, and that perhaps businesses are to blame, think about the INEFFICIENCY AND INEFFECTIVENESS of government-run bureaucracies.... Then we can talk global warming, LOL! Unregulated free markets tend to take care of their environment because they WANT TO MAINTAIN their environments to continue conducting business. I think if there was truly an energy crisis or global warming, the businesses around the world would be ON THE CASE pronto! =)

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      2. Slitherinnin

        I agree, but you have got to understand the resistance of the parents of the 40% who lose in your market model. I suppose 40% of them are actually trying, but the other 40% + bottom feeding lawyers for the really pathetic remaining 20% will try to game the system by suing you, their oppressor. Not you, the guy who makes the magical light switch work, but you, the evil capitalist who expects to be paid for making the magical light switch do its thing.

        I have no use for these people. Do you?

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    2. Kathryn Smith

      No, you are all wrong...Sorry....If you want that type of medriocrity, you will have to move to a foreign nation.

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  28. Ryan

    Good speech.
    I'm glad to hear the campaign for liberty is growing.
    The last poll between Ron Paul and Barack Obama had them in a virtual tie. If the trend continues and the liberty movement keeps growing, and if Ron Paul decides to run for president in 2012, Ron Paul will be our next president and America can start to recover from the disasterous last few decades of political Corporate-Authoritarianism.
    I am so looking forward to real change in the direction of liberty and freedom and prosperity.
    Keep up the fight for freedom!

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    1. Ronald L. Waldron

      We need a third party.
      An AMERICAN party of Choice.

      April 5, 2010 at 3:01 pm
      Ron Paul should distance himself from the Republican Party.
      Dennis Kucinick should distance himself from the Democrat Party.

      They should run together on an Independant Party ticket.

      Call it the American’s Party, the party of choice for and by the
      American only citizens of the USA “only”.

      patd wrote, in response to ronaldlwaldron:

      now THAT would be a ticket I would vote for---and I doubt either would care who was on top--I was angry when Dennis caved and voted for that Insurance company blow job the democrats call the health care reform act--I was REALLY feeling betrayed-but for my read of his affect when he announced his reversal--Obama said something to him that made him reverse-and that something may or may not have been a lie-but it made Dennis believe he was doing the greater good in switching his vote-i wonder if we will ever know what that was...

      NOTE: I have had SEVERAL responses in agreement with such a ticket. RLW

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      1. Kathryn Smith

        Hmm! I was wondering about Dennis K., because when I heard him on the radio a while back, he was voting for the healthcare bill...I had no idea that he reversed it! Oh my goodness, see how "Conservative Talk Radio" like Beck, Doyle, Rush, and all them don't let you know what is going on, when it is important to know that? Far as I'm concerned the radio show hosts, like Levine, Rush, Beck, Savage, Quinn and Rose, and so on down the line, DON'T want Ron Paul to win because it would kill their business! For if Ron Paul wins, that would mean that (gasp!) Democrats and Republicans would finally have agreed on a candidate that shares values from both parties and it would destroy the two-party system! Well, I am totally for free-markets and believe there is no other way, but the radio show hosts are profiting off of the two-party establishment, where if the Democrats are failing, they can bolster Republican ego, and where Republicans are failing, they can "kick them in the rear" to get them moving (politically-speaking). And they really like it this way, but to the detriment of Middle America? To the detriment of our national sovereignty? To the advantage of a two-party machine that destroys a true American's chance to win an election? Sorry, I disagree with that notion through and through. To me, they are espousing the very system that destroys us, and it ought to be reported as such. In my opinion, they are just the same, if not worse than other government-run monopolies. (Just for the record, I was a “Rush-baby” neoconservative Republican turned Paul once I saw how intent both Democrats and Republicans were on destroying out country!)

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  29. Andrew

    Amazing speech!

    Ron Paul is right on inflation. We cannot solve the problems of the nation until we begin to measure inflation properly. He is right on defense expenditure and civil liberties, very brave to give such speeches and with every speech he gives it is getting clearer that Paul is the only one running for President who can save the Nation from going bankrupt both morally and financially (this is coming from a liberal who voted for Obama). As Paul repeatedly points out the Fed is the major reason why the USA is going bankrupt. President Obama and his crowd will never understand that.

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    1. Kathryn Smith

      Andrew - Thank you tons for speaking up for the truth and revealing a small, yet telling part of your personal experience with our corrupt system. Please, if you have in the past or continue to associate with other Obama-fans, spread the word. (Tell family, friends, co-workers, neighbors, et cetera...) Unfortunately, Paul does not get fair playing ground in the media, so it is We The People that must give him publicity!

      I travel around my local area and everywhere I go with my car sporting Ron Paul and liberty messages, and I get nothing but curious stares at the least and thumbs up, waves, and honks at the most! Then, everywhere I go, I pass out with a brief and strong, enthusiastic introduction, the following two pages stapled together (for which I put together myself):

      Grassroots Campaign for Liberty: Email Kathryn @ caleb0504@hotmail.com to build America’s base! SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT:

      For 40 years, when no one else in government stood up for you,
      Texas (R) Congressman, DR. RON PAUL:
      • Voted NO to raise taxes
      • Voted NO for an unbalanced budget
      • Voted NO for federal restriction on gun ownership
      • Never had taken a government paid junket
      • Voted NO to increase the power of the Executive branch
      • Voted AGAINST the Patriot Act - unwarranted wireless tapping on U.S. citizens; Bush (“R”) VOTED FOR and Obama (D) RENEWED the “Patriot” Act!
      • Voted AGAINST regulating the Internet
      • Voted AGAINST the special interest and political wars
      • Does not participate in the lucrative Congressional Pension Program
      • Returns a portion of his annual Congressional Office Budget to the U.S. Treasury every year!
      • PASSED HR 1207 “Federal Reserve Transparency Act” (AKA “Audit the Fed” Bill with overwhelming bipartisan support
      Visit http://www.whowillwinthe2012election.com/ and VOTE YES for Ron Paul!!! (Click “vote;” Click “Ron Paul;” Click “Submit”)
      Watch Ron Paul: A New Hope @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA (8 mins, 45 secs)
      A RON PAUL REVOLUTION! CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY:

      • END THE FEDERAL RESERVE CENTRAL BANKING SYSTEM
      • END THE IRS TAX CODE ABUSED OFTEN BY HOUSE AND SENATE, AND IMPLEMENT IN ITS PLACE A FAIR/FLAT CONSUMER-BASED TAX
      • END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION FROM FLOODING HOUSING, LABOR, AND EDUCATIONAL MARKETS (USE CONSTITUTIONAL METHODS ONLY FOR LEGAL IMMIGRATION.)
      • RETURN SOVEREIGNTY (PEOPLE VOTES) TO THE STATES FOR ALL SOCIAL ISSUES
      • SHRINK THE SIZE OF GROWING FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
      • END CORRUPT AND ECONOMICALLY-OPPRESSIVE POLITICAL AND SPECIAL INTEREST WARS (“WAR ON POVERTY,” “WAR ON TERROR,” “WAR ON DRUGS,” ETC…) (These are explained by Paul in detail on websites provided – they are ignored in mainstream media)
      • STRENGTHEN U.S. MILITARY DEFENSE SYSTEM
      • STRENGTHEN AND TEST U.S. WEAPONS FOR DEFENSIVE (NOT OFFENSIVE) MEASURES (A.K.A., NON-INTERVENTIONALISM)
      • STRENGTHEN U.S. BORDERS
      • RETURN CIVIL LIBERTIES TO THE PEOPLE!
      • RETURN FREE MARKETS TO THE PEOPLE! AN UNREGULATED FREE-SOCIETY, LASSIEZ-FAIRE CAPITALISTIC ECONOMIC SYSTEM
      • END THE CORPTOCRACY (COLLUSION BETWEEN BIG GOVERNMENT AND BIG BUSINESS!) WITH A FREE SOCIETY THAT REJECTS BOTH!

      VOTE FOR RON PAUL IN THE PRIMARIES AND IN 2012! FIND OUT HOW AT www.ronpaul2012.com! HE IS LEADING ALL THE CPAC STRAW AND POPULAR OPINION POLLS BECAUSE HE SPEAKS THE LANGUAGE OF THE AMERICAN HERITAGE!

      When I get low, I print more. I must have passed around 200 or more in the past 2-3 weeks! It is good to be in busines with liberty today; Liberty's competitor "lies" is not doing so hot. =)

      In Liberty,

      Kat

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  30. Mark

    Ron Paul is a modern day Founding Father in Todays terms and time

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    1. fred the protectionist

      Dang I can't thumbs down more than once, shucks.

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