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    Yeah, it's good, very useful, thanks :)

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  5. Dave Burton

    Claim:
    “Provides all Americans with a tax credit for 100% of health care expenses. The tax credit is fully refundable against both income and payroll taxes”

    Translation:
    “All health care is gonna be free! The federal gov’t will pick up 100% of the tab!”

    That's very similar to the Canadian system, except without the paperwork reduction. No wonder Ron Paul is buddies with left-wing nutters like Ralph Nader & Cynthia McKinney, even to the point of advising his supporters to vote for Baldwin, Nader or McKinney rather than McCain/Palin in 2008.

    Ron Paul is one of the big reasons we’re in this mess. And if you want a preview of just how big a mess it's going to be in 30-40 years, just take a peek at Canada's mess. (It is now ~42 years after their gov't took over health care.) If you think Canadian health care is not a mess, here's a Canadian web site which will clear up your confusion:

    http://www.TimelyMedical.ca/

    Dave

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    1. kramer

      Hey Dave, have you had a chance to read the full text of the bill? The credit is limited:

      (b) Limitation- The credit allowed by subsection (a) for the taxable year shall not exceed the sum of--
      ‘(1) the taxpayer’s net income tax for the taxable year, plus
      ‘(2) the taxpayer’s Social Security taxes (as defined in section 24(d)) for such taxable year.

      So doesn't that make a difference for what you are talking about?
      http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-5444

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    2. B.D.Harper

      After reading the bill I can assure you it's nothing similar to Canada's system.
      This bill makes it so that instead of giving money to the federal government through your income taxes, your income taxes (as well as social security payouts) can be used directly to pay off your medical expenses, be they for procedures or insurance you wish to purchase.

      Furthermore, neoconservatives and libertarians have almost nothing in common. I don't understand why or where from you're drawing such parallels.

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    3. mildearth

      It doesn't mean it's free, it means you get a tax deduction write-off when tax time comes and you don't have to give them as much of your own earned money because you are making sure to take care of yourself.

      Paul's idea is more of paying into a health care fund or savings account for oneself. Some businesses do this with their employees and sometimes pitch in to help fill the pot. There are other ins and outs of this system that you could find if you looked into it. I know that Whole Foods uses this type of health care account and I do believe it is appreciated by their employees.

      Also, when you're paying into an account like that straight out of your pay it comes out before taxes so your taxable income decreases as well.

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  6. hari

    Like your blog and good idea, I will check your site later again.

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  7. ckhg

    To Dave Burton:

    "Provides all Americans with a tax credit for 100% of health care expenses. The tax credit is fully refundable against both income and payroll taxes;"

    Please stop misrepresenting truth with your fiction. Look up "tax credit". A tax credit lowers the amount that you can be taxed. It doesn't mean "free money" as you purport. If your taxable income is $30,000, you are in a particular tax bracket. If your medical bills are $5,000 then your taxable income (if this bill passes) drops to $25,000 meaning you pay taxes on $25,000 instead of $30,000. The ONLY way you would end "getting 100% of your money back" would be if your medical bills were equal to your taxable income, i.e. $30,000. This would drop your taxable income to $0 and you would therefore owe no taxes.

    Its only "refundable" against income and payroll taxes, meaning your "refund" goes up because you fell into a lower tax bracket. But its only a refund if you've paid taxes in the first place via withholdings.

    Please stop commenting unless you actually know what you're talking about.

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    1. Dave Burton

      ckhg, you have confused "tax credit" with "tax deduction."

      A tax deduction is a dollar amount which you subtract from your taxable income. So, if you are in a 25% tax bracket, a $100 tax deduction will save you $25.

      A tax credit is a dollar amount which you subtract from you taxes. So, it doesn't matter what bracket you are in: a $100 tax credit will save you $100.

      A "fully refundable tax credit" is a tax credit which you will receive in full regardless of how much taxes you would otherwise owe, in fact even if your tax bill otherwise was zero. If it makes your tax liability negative, you will receive a "refund."

      You don't have to take my word for it, just ask any tax practitioner, or consult a legal or financial dictionary, such as any of these:
      http://research.lawyers.com/glossary/tax-credit.html
      http://www.moneyglossary.com/?w=Tax+Credit
      http://www.bloomberg.com/invest//glossary/bfglost.htm#tax_credit
      http://www.investorwords.com/4888/tax_credit.html

      Is that clear?

      Dave

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  8. Geoff

    Where is the text of the bill? Why isn't it posted here?

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    1. B.D.Harper

      The bill hasn't been released yet, but when it is you can go to this website and click read text.

      http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_5444.html

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  9. Bottomline

    Thank You sir, for coming up with a private option that will not enforce penalties on us to get Obamacare which is government runned. You are a true patriot.

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  10. Matt

    This is certainly a step in the right direction. It's probably got about as much chance of passing as the Audit the Fed bill has, which is slim...but I hope upon hope that they both pass.

    The scary thing about the healthcare bill that was just passed is that it will definitely decrease the quality of our care. Check out this article which exposes precisely why:

    http://www.truthoffering.com/politics/2010/3/23/get-used-to-physician-assistantsif-were-lucky.html

    Also, Dave, 100% deductible does not mean "free"...it means the government cannot profit from the dollars you spend on healthcare. What a gross misstatement. I'd go so far as to say that YOU are part of the problem; that problem being ignorance. Go get an education.

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    1. Dave Burton

      Matt, you are certainly correct about the health care bill which was just passed, but you are just as certainly wrong about Ron Paul's bill. His press release doesn't say "100% deductible." It says fully refundable tax CREDIT for 100% of health care expenses.

      That means the federal government will refund to you ALL of your health care expenditures, regardless of whether you pay any taxes or not.

      Please don't take my word for it. Google the term "tax credit," or go to a dictionary site like www.onelook.com and search for it. There's a lot of misinformation being spread around by the Ron Paul supporters here, don't be deceived.

      Do you remember President Reagan's motto when dealing with the Soviets? "Trust But Verify!" I don't ask that you trust me more than Reagan trusted the Soviets. But please take the time to consult a dictionary before accusing me of misunderstanding the terminology.

      Dave

      "Liberty is not the freedom to do what you wish; it is the freedom to do what you ought." -Lord Acton

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      1. B.D.Harper

        Stop relying on your assumptions and actually read the bill. It's clear that you haven't, and if you did we would not be having this debate.

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  11. Dave Burton

    "Provides all Americans with a tax credit for 100% of health care expenses. The tax credit is fully refundable against both income and payroll taxes;"

    Woo hoo! All health care is gonna be free! The federal gov't will pick up the tab! 100%! Yippee!!!!

    OTOH, Ron Paul advised his supporters to vote for Baldwin, Nader or Cynthia McKinney rather than McCain/Palin. In other words, Ron Paul is one of the reasons we're in this mess.

    Dave

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    1. 1111cb

      if you do not file taxes, how can you get a credit. It is like the child tax credit. The government offers it to all Americans, but you can't collect if you do not file. Otherwise a person who does not work has 10 kids and the governement would give them free money through the tax credit? They do other ways, but not taxes.

      I now need to double check the wording on the bill- but makes no sense.

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      1. Dave Burton

        In tax jargon, "refundable" means you can still get the tax credit even if you don't pay taxes. You have to file a tax form, but if your tax credits plus your withholding exceed your taxes then you get a refund -- even if you had no income tax at all.

        http://www.burtonsys.com/email/

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      2. Citizen

        111cd

        NO NO NO
        Tax Credits are for people who pay taxes.
        We should not subsidize people who have "litters" of babies and haven't made provisions for their Care and Feeding!

        PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.... A God Given Right

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  12. C. Edman

    Sounds better than the previous monstrosity, but how would a 100% tax credit help one bit? Wouldn't that just add to more money that we do not have that the nation would have to pay out?

    I suppose this could be a stepping stone back to rationality, but this particular aspect does concern me...

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    1. 1111cb

      This is what it means
      you earn income
      portion goes out as taxes-
      now either the "highly efficient Federal government" can provide your health care with your taxes
      or
      Tax credit- You get a part of the money back if you use your money as you think is efficient for your needs to get the health insurance plan you want.

      We will not solve the debt by continuing to think the federal governement efficiently runs programs. Before Obama and health reform it was an issue. As a physician Mr Paul knows this, that Medicare is already rationed and scaled back and fewer and fewer doctors accept it. Gaps are already there- check out the TV ads to buy coverage.

      It's not the government payiong out- its a credit- if you pay no taxes, no credit back.
      The funding of health care, military and social security are killing the budget. They have to be reformed

      The fundamental shift is who is the best consumer to drive the insurance market- you or employer groups and the government

      If its your money- and the protections to the insurance companies are removed, people will buy the plans that work, demand that every dollar spent be used wisely- like does this MRI really need to be done or is it to prevent malpractice accusations? It will cut back overutilizers of care- and they will think twice about an ED if the urgent care is $1000 cheaper for a sore throat.

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      1. 1111cb

        http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h5444/actions_votes

        http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_5444.html#toc0

        is this the bill? I am having trouble finding it or details.
        Good ideas as usual get little coverage

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      2. Dave Burton

        1111cb wrote, "It’s not the government payiong out- its a credit- if you pay no taxes, no credit back."

        That's incorrect. In tax jargon, "refundable" means you will still get the tax credit (as a tax refund) even if you don't pay taxes. "Fully refundable" means you get it all, not just part of it, even if you don't pay taxes.

        1111cb also wrote, "Tax credit- You get a part of the money back..."

        That's also incorrect. This page claims that the bill provides for a fully refundable "tax credit for 100% of health care expenses." 100% is not "part of," it is "all of."

        In other words, the federal gov't will fully reimburse you for all health care expenses -- essentially the same as the Canadian system, except without the paperwork reduction.

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    2. Citizen

      C.Edmon
      A Tax Credit means that some if not all of the SS Tax withholding would be refunded for the REAL NEEDS of the Tax Payer.
      None of us will likely ever see the any of the current 15% SS withheld from our pay checks. [employee 7.65% matched by employer]

      Government is still bankrupt regardless, but WE have a Constitutional right to our income for our SURVIVAL, and Medical is a survival necessity and fundamental as food.

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  13. B.D.Harper

    I have been waiting for a bill like this, Ron Paul. Thank you, sir.
    You are truly a patriot.

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  14. Citizen

    As usual, Dr Paul makes PERFECT COMMON SENSE!

    Counter to "Government" run health care,aka ObamaCare, is a Progressive Plan to skim billions of American's wealth while providing only 10 cents of every Dollar in benefits.
    ObamaCare isn't about health care, its about Government CONTROL period.

    We can only imagine what free market health care would be like WITHOUT Government red tape and constant interference.

    Thank God for Ron Paul, may God Speed his efforts to kill the giant!

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