205 responses to “Ron Paul: Why I Changed My Mind on “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell””

  1. vietnamvet

    It is fact that men have always despised ‘sissies’, and women can barely tolerate their presence.

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  2. CaseyBro

    Being a homosexual has no affect on a person’s personality or ability to do his or her job. If there are thousands of homosexuals already in the military and their coworkers have not had a problem with it, then what would be the harm? Combat situations rely solely on trust in your fellow armsmen; if you have been working with the people in your unit you come to trust them and know them. Being gay has nothing to do with that. Homosexuals are the same people you have worked with your whole career. What they do in the bedroom has no affect on how they perform and do their duty.

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  3. DanielGuyewski

    Dear Mr. Paul,

    I am a military veteran of 6 years in the Airforce, and I am shocked and outaged and appaled by your voting to allow homosexuals into the military, you opnely voted with the establishment to promote what God calls sin, I voted for you in previous primaries but I can no longer intrust you with my vote, shame on you sir and my God forgive you, you say your a Christian promote this garbage, read the Bible Mr. Paul!

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  4. Allan

    For everybody making this a civil rights or libertarian issue, you should consider that the military is a special situation. In combat, nothing must be allowed to interfere with morale and the cohesiveness of the group. That is one reason women are not allowed in combat. As soon as you are discussing the military, liberty is out – it is necessarily an organized system of tight discipline and almost absolute authority. The reason homosexuals were excluded from the military is that it is a potential threat to the safety of personnel and the security of the forces. For the same reason homosexuals were previously excluded from the U.S. government. Homosexuals in government are a security risk because (1) closeted homosexuals can be blackmailed with threat of outing and (2) homosexuals, being ostracized by society, have some tendency to become traitors to their own society. Many of the well-known spies for the Soviets in Western governments and intelligence organizations were homosexuals.

    Ron Paul is still an excellent candidate, simply because he adheres to the constitution. You just don’t need to know anything more about the guy. All the people here thumbing their nose at him over this issue are ignoring the primary reason for which he deserves support. I disagree with him about a number of things myself, including this issue (at least until he explains his position further). Even so, he does have a point.

    And remember, DADT was introduced by Clinton, as a compromise policy for his proposal to remove the ban on homosexuals in the military altogether. Repealing this effectively lifts the ban as Clinton originally wished, but DADT was still Clinton’s band-aid policy. Perhaps having homosexuals in the military unknown to other personnel is worse than having them there openly? Even without DADT, as Paul points out, homosexual practices can still be disciplined as any other misconduct is. The real problem then would be the civilian gay advocates intervening in the military, not homosexuals themselves, and Paul is definitely still opposed to their agenda, because it is essentially a non-libertarian one.

    The people here saying he is a “confused liberal” are probably just those who have become confused by decades of Republican Party propaganda about what being a real American conservative really is. They can’t pigeon-hole it in their own framework of conservative, so they class it as liberal, not so much because it is similar to the liberal stance, but because it doesn’t fit their personal conservative stance. In that way they are playing into the dialectic strategy both parties are employing to divide the people into two camps which support one or the other party, both of whom ultimately stand for the same things and are controlled by the same people.

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  5. leo corion

    Manifesto Civis

    When an issue is so broad that it divides a Nation,
    Attention must be directed to its resolve.
    For:
    Every kingdom divided against itself
    Will be laid waste … … … and if the Republicans
    Drive out the Democrats,
    Satan would be divided against Himself;
    How, then, would his kingdom stand?”
    ~
    Capitalism:
    Is a hangover from Feudalism.
    Even today many corporations
    Hold dead peasant insurance policies
    On their employees,
    Naming themselves as the beneficiary.

    That ruling power elite does indeed control the U.S. government behind the scenes has been attested to by many Americans in a position to know. Felix Frankfurter, Justice of the Supreme Court (1939-1962), said: “The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes.” In a letter to an associate dated November 21, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt wrote, “The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.” February 23, 1954
    The CFR is the promotional arm of the Ruling Elite in the United States of America. Most influential politicians, academics and media personalities are members, and it uses its influence to infiltrate the New World Order into American life. Its’ “experts” write scholarly pieces to be used in decision making, the academics expound on the wisdom of a united world, and the media members disseminate the message.
    These Corporate elite control the media, government, and all that supports their means of gaining power and wealth.

    Are we really to believe that our Founding Fathers, with all their wit and deliberation, concluded that to be born in this country and having reached the age of thirty-five were ample qualification to be President? Or did they place an ambiguity in the twelfth amendment of the US Constitution as a failsafe?

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  6. Dan Lee

    Dear Mr. Paul,

    As a preacher and as a Christian, I beg you please, take a stand against the gay agenda and reverse your position on allowing gays in our military, this absurd social experimenting and re-engineering of our military will cause great harm to our servicemen and our country as a whole, you say your a Christian Mr. Paul so let’ you put your monye where your mouth is, I as a pastor and a Christian, and a veteran cannot give you my support or my vote as long as you are both supporting and promoting thay gay agenda.

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  7. leo corion

    Toxiphobia in the Military:

    A virus (such as HIV) must invade a living cell such as a church, a school, the US congress, the military,
    state governments or other social origination, in order to reproduce and spread its toxin.

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  8. Dan Guyewski

    Ron Paul Sold us out people! s i vet i don’t think that i will be able to vote for him ever again because he voted to allow these sodomites to serve opnely in the military, Christian chaplains who oppose homosexuality are being told to either face courtmartial or leave the service, you will now not have any free speech rights or religious freedoms in the military, thanks alot Mr. Paul!

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  9. Leo Corion

    Toxiphobia in the Military:

    A virus (such as HIV) must invade a living cell such as a church, the US congress, the military or other social origination, in order to reproduce and spread its toxin.

    States Rights?

    Sorcery:
    Because by thy sorcery have all nations been seduced signifies that by their wicked arts and persuasions they have compelled all the well disposed to believe and to do those things from which they have gained dominion and wealth. This is evident from the signification of “sorcery,” as being arts and persuasions,also from the signification of “nations” as being those who are in good, thus the well disposed; also from the signification of “to be seduced,” as meaning to be deceived by such arts and persuasions into believing and doing those things from which they have gained dominion and wealth. “Sorcery” has nearly the same signification in the Word as “enchantment,” and “enchantment” signifies such persuasion as causes a man to have no other perception than that a thing is so..

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  10. Alan

    Dear Ron Paul,

    In the past, I hoped you would run for president. Not anymore.

    You can look at all of the studies that man has made about homosexuality, but I would rather read the Bible and see what our creator thinks about it:

    RO 1:27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

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  11. leo corion

    Demise of our Republican form of goverment.

    “Our Founding Fathers predicted the inevitable demise of their republican form of government, which is presently upon us: ‘It takes time, observed John Jay, to make Sovereigns of Subjects and for them to realize that the government is their own.’
    ‘The Republic will degenerate into a democracy with the politicians promising largess and the people voting their own self-interest,’ quipped Madison.
    ‘The lawyers will get into Congress to manage the Constitution, license paper money and pillage the treasury,’ remarked Amos Singletary.
    ‘The Supreme Court judges, ignorant of its historical setting, will be unable to interpret the Constitution and the original intent of its provisions; and there will arise a two-party system, divided along economic interests, leading to deadlock as the public good is disregarded in the conflict of rival parties,” opined Madison. Re: The Federalist Papers, en essentia

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  12. leo corion

    Excerpts: from books in Latin that our Founders read.

    Apocalypse Explained; Sorcery:
    Because by thy sorcery have all nations been seduced signifies that by their wicked arts and persuasions they have compelled all the well disposed to believe and to do those things from which they have gained dominion and wealth. This is evident from the signification of “sorcery,” as being arts and persuasions,also from the signification of “nations” as being those who are in good, thus the well disposed; also from the signification of “to be seduced,” as meaning to be deceived by such arts and persuasions into believing and doing those things from which they have gained dominion and wealth. “Sorcery” has nearly the same signification in the Word as “enchantment,” and “enchantment” signifies such persuasion as causes a man to have no other perception than that a thing is so..

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  13. Daniel Guyewski

    Well as a veteran I can say personally that I can no longer, in good conscience, support Ron Paul if this is the direction he is going to go, what’s next? will he vote for gay marrige? gay adoptions of childen? He is spposed to be a good christian and yet he votes for pervision of the highest magnitude! he sold us out man, I will will support whoever the constitution pary nominates a candidates which I hope will be Chuck baldwin again- Chuck Baldwin for Preident in 2012!

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  14. Leo Corion

    Toxiphobia in the Military:

    A virus (such as HIV) must invade a living cell such as a church, the US congress, the military or other social origination, in order to reproduce and spread its toxin.

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  15. Mary Waterton

    Ron Paul voted for homosexuals in the military because libertarians are nothing more than profoundly confused liberals. They may talk like conservatives, but vote like liberals. Ron Paul should switch his party affiliation to democrat where he would be more at home.

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  16. Machine

    Off the topic but VERY worth your while

    http://www.democracynow.org/2010/4/12/this_is_how_these_soldiers_were

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  17. Machine\

    Barnicle
    June 15, 2010 at 4:21 pm | Permalink | Reply Report comment Report comment
    Well the culture in it persay? hmmm. Let me put it this way; in a combat arms unit it’s an especially bunch of Type A agressive and generally traditional idealogically bunch. If were you were an open Homosexual say living in tight quarters with other heterosexual men you would be ostracized severly, potentially beaten and at a minimum harassed daily until you transfered, went to a shrink or got a transfer. It’s better left in the closet in my opinion.

    One of the common misconceptions is that you can’t serve if you are a homosexual and that is blatantly not true. You can’t engange in sodomy while a member of the armed forces due to the restrictions in UCMJ (uniform code of military justice). There are plenty of people who have homosexual tendencies and are currently serving, but if they engange in that behaivor and it’s found out they can be court martialed. I say rightly so, it is a filthy act and disease spreading. The military can control where you live, when you sleep, when you can exercise, what shots you can get, what you can eat, if you can drink…. I don’t see why they can’t tell personal not to engange in sodomy. The point blank truth is Homosexuality is Liberalism sacred cow. All the queers in CFR/Trilateral who are promoting hedonism as a way to loosen influence of societies sacred institutions. Farther more it’s the destructions of moral truth and institutions of society to collapse the system from within.

    I’m sure this will recieve some snears and rebukes.. my hatred isn’t of homosexuals or people who overwhelmed by the power of the flesh, for these are the least of the sins. It is with the blatant evil doers in our society who overwhelming promote hedonism and intend to force their great ungodliness on the rest of society. All while telling the population it’s in the name of tolerance and respect. Every day we are bombarded with perversion from the corporate media conglomerates who are in bed with the major politicians and intresting enough all belong to the same esoteric societies. These men are Godless and do the work of all that is evil in the name of good.

    The greater questions is do we recognize moral truth? The next question is when and how does government have a place in dictating the enforcement of that?

    Furthermore i’m tired of using the word gay. In the Orwellian nightmare we call modern society we frame the argument by changing the language. Oh it’s not a baby it’s a “fetus” oh it’s not sodomy, it’s gay sex. It’s freaking Sodomy and there is nothing reproductive or natural about it. Lets call it what it is.

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    Machine
    June 16, 2010 at 3:15 am | Permalink | Reply Report comment Report comment
    So what Barnicle is saying folks, is that the millitary consist of a group of hostle, irrational, obtuse minded, prejudice men…who commit hate crimes…that have no class, cooth, or culture, and are a classic case of homophobes…Yet these men wear a uniform that is about defending democracy, upholding the right for ALL men to pursue Life, Liberty and Happines…which is about EQUALITY, however the culture Barnicle describes does not hold these sacred for all of man kind…Basically only white Christian men rank first…Sure they tollerate Jews, and blacks, and of course women have a place too, since all three of those “groups” have fought for their RIGHT to be treated EQUALLY as the Declaration of Independence states.

    Now Barnicle, you do know and understand that vaginal sex and hetero oral sex is also very capable of spreading disease!?!? Sure was alot of hetero sex going on on base and ship while I was in the Navy…and it was known!

    Lastly, ignorant morons during the 60’s through out the south held up signs that claimed “God demmanded racial segragation”. Do you know that the Civil Rights Movement lasted through 4 different Presidencies…Talk about a lack for moral truth!

    Well thanks for sharing…

    ciao

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  18. glen

    they should change the name of this thread to why i changed my underwear on dont ask dont tell.

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    1. Machine

      You’ve got toys in the attick!!!

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  19. leo

    Swedenborg expresses this (concerning AIDS in the Military.)

    About Sodomy:

    In the other life those who are sinners of sodomy in their lifetime had believed nothing about the life after death, the existence of a hell and a heaven, but that they are entirely like wild animals. In the other life they are treated very miserably, being punished by hellish torments that are so dreadful that they can hardly be told. And moreover they inhabit the region of the tail, where the feces are.

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