174 responses to “Ron Paul: U.S. Shouldn’t Support Israel’s Gaza Blockade”

  1. Todd

    I was pretty much on board with Ron Paul until those comments. The Bible clearly states "I will bless those that bless you, and curse those that curse you". Ibelieve there are two reasons the US is not a pile of dust today. 1) our pulpits-we send out more missionaries and Christian Literature then any other nation. 2) Our support of the Jewish State. We are slipping further and further into an immoral nation. And as our loyalty to Israel fades, so do we. Our 2 party system or 3 (if you count libertarians) have failed us. The bottom line is that man will never be able to govern himself. I'm an escapist. I'm looking for my ruler to come through the clouds on a white horse. Until then, I'll pray for all our leaders. And all leades around theglobe. But I know how it all ends up. Things are not going to get worse before they get better. They are going to get worse before it gets catostrophic.

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    1. erky

      Todd,

      Maybe you missed the bit about doing onto others, and thou shall not kill part.
      Perhaps in your world, putting 1.5 million people in an open prison, denying them access to basic goods, and condemning them to a slow death is the Christian thing to do. There is a difference between self defense, and spiteful hateful vengeance. Does Israel need confiscate wheel chairs and shoes, vital medicines, diapers etc in order to protect itself? Even school books, crayons, coriander is banned by the Israeli's. It's an absurd list of items that has nothing to do with defence.

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      1. Todd

        It's pointless to enter into an argument with you if you think that Israel is refusing these needed items to Gaza. Are you an American? Israel is surounded by nations that want to wipe them out. Read Ezekiel 38 and 39 and maybe it will shed some light on it for you. Also, when you attempt to quote scripture, try to read it first. It says Thou Shalt not commit Murder. Killing in self defence certainly is not murder. 1.5 MM people elected a terrorist organization to be there leader.

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        1. erky

          Todd,
          I can assure you that I get my information from a number of different sources, INCLUDING Israeli publications. (See Haaretz).
          Where do you get your information from? You seem to have a romanticized view of Israel based on a particular interpretation of the bible going back the the 1800's. Again, there's no point in arguing with you. I'm well aware of your particular brand of Theology.

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        2. cliff a gavic

          AMEN! you hit the nail on the head.

          people need to becareful when using the word revolution.

          there is a group of people, headed by bill ayers and his wife, called the revolutionists.

          their goal is the destruction of israel and take over of the u.s.
          in order to get there, they have some very nasty things to say about 25 million u.s. citizens who are in their way in order to conquor america.

          the pro-israel comments need to out-number the anti-israel comments.

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    2. Yvonne

      Todd doesn't the Bible also say ''I will call you by a new name'' and ''I will make you jealous of a people who are not a nation'' (I'm paraphrasing). God says that to the Jewish people in the OT
      Then forward to the NT
      Doesn't Jesus , when told his mother and brothers are outside, respond in one of the gospels by saying ''who are my mother and brother? they are those who do the will of my father which is in heaven''
      Isn't there a passage in , um, Romans I think that says ''in Christ there is no free or slave or Jew or Greek but we are all one'' (again I'm paraphrasing)
      Anyway.
      I think if we believe the Bible (and I do) then we can be a blessing to the Jewish people by telling them about Jesus.
      I don't think I need to strap weapons on my children and send them overseas to defend a piece of land in order to be a blessing.

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    3. Richard

      Todd, you are misinterpreting Scripture. Under the New and Everlasing Covenant, the Jewish peoiple are no longer the Chosen People, the Church (all Christians) of Jesus Christ are. Israel has absolutely no role whatsoever to play in God's plan of redemption today, and there is no difference between Jew and Greek (Gentile). Of course God loves the Jewish people deeply, and wantss to see them saved, but He is the Creator of all life, and He loves the Palestenian people equally, and He is the one who has placed not one nation but two in the Holy Land. He did this for a reason, and the Israeli attempts to destroy the Palestenian people and their right to a nation is eveil at the core of its being.
      On the contrary, the United States is under judgment for it, as we can see.

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    4. richard cox

      Funny how you quote the old testiment...you're forgetting the part where the jews opposed jesus and accussed him of blasphomy and he referred to them as "vipers" and further stated that their father is satan the devil. So Jesus stood against the jews. That would logically make Christians oppose the Jews blood thirst for power.

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  2. stephen

    You do realize that Hamas does not recognize Israel's right to exist, right? The 2 state solution is moot as long as they are in a constant state of war. A blockade is a fair method of war and can be defended according to the laws of the sea, including neutral merchant ships.

    Israel is at war with Hamas, the elected leaders of that part of Palestine. Just as the Allies were at war with the elected Nazis. Since the blockades, suicide bombings have been greatly reduced (has there even been any recently?). What used to be a monthly occurrence of a bus or school blown up has been reduced to the threat of much less damaging and inaccurate rockets lobbed in desperation by Hamas.

    It is successful in the fact that Israeli citizens - Jew/Druze/Muslim/ Christians - don't live with the thought of a market blowing up every weekend. The Palestinians are suffering, but ultimately that's the point. You elected a group of thugs (who btw kill hundreds of their own people in faction wars) who want the destruction of Israel - not a stalemate or peace agreement.

    Where's everyone's hatred for Egypt/Lebanon/Jordan who all share borders with various Palestinian camps and yet refuse entry to the Palestinians? Jordan kicks out thousands of Palestinians every year and owns 78% of the Palestinian mandate. Egypt also blockaded Hamas, until it became politically incorrect 2 weeks ago.

    War sucks. War results in death and misery.

    I am unsympathetic to their crying over losing a war they voted for.

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    1. 1111cb

      yes- it is in the bounds of war. But the nature of war has changed and it is now a war fought in more subtle ways. You win the blockade, but now every group against Israel draws more recruits. Hamas does things like hide behind civilians to make Israel look evil, but when Israel plays along instead of getting international support from countries like Turkey before they act, then it backfires in the long run. Palestinians then turn to Hamas in droves over more moderates because Hamas succeeded causing a blockade that would have helped the everyday Palestinians. Then Hamas comes in with aid as the good guys and people who care nothing for politics, then elect Hamas as leaders. Israel would be better off taking the lead in rebuilding to take control of it.

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  3. Jordan nemer

    NEVER AGAIN, NEVER AGAIN!!!!! MY brother we need to influence the people in congress and in the kennesit on the foreign aid so we can stop this madness! According to Theodore Herzl Israel is supposed to be a soveriegn Jewish nation. Soveriegn and this foreign aid is making israel weak in so many ways. Dont leave the campaign for liberty! we need people like Dr. paul in congress to end the aid and all of the arab nations and the world would be cut off. My brother he is not anti semetic remember MR. Paul defended our right to defend ourselfs when the iraqi reactor was destroyed in the 80's. This message is to the guy named liberty on our chat. We cant rely on the traitors in AIPAC to end the aid or any other organization. WE need DR. Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    1. Liberty

      I can't support a person who states that Israel is preventing food and medicine from entering Gaza. It is a lie. I still remain a Libertarian, but Dr. Paul has crossed the line.

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      1. SS

        Why do you believe this is a lie?

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        1. Liberty

          It would be very time consuming for me to prove it to you in this format. As a minimum, though, Dr. Paul must provide evidence that Israel is preventing food and medication from entering Gaza, before stating it. Libertarians believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

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        2. SS

          I was assuming that you had already done the research. Since you stated that it was a lie, you must have done the research to reach that conclusion.

          Should you come up with evidence of this lie, I will definitely check it out.

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        3. Liberty

          Although I live in the US, I have many dealings with Israel. I have traveled to Israel before and on one occasion I even received special clearance to enter a secret military facility. I have friends in the Israeli army and have traveled to hostile neighborhoods in the Gaza and West bank. I am very familiar with how the IDF functions; I’ve seen it with my own eyes. I know that what Dr. Paul said is a lie. But if Dr. Paul claims he has evidence to the contrary, the burden of proof is on him. If you make accusations, you must provide evidence; innocent until proven guilt.

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        4. joecr

          At about 2:06 Imus tells him that Israel is letting relief aid through.

          http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/06/09/from-an-idf-soldier-who-was-on-the-flotilla/

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/jihad-flotilla-activists-deliberately-sought-the-clash.html

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      2. Daniel

        Israel is preventing the free flow of trade into Gaza, which includes food and medical supplies. They do allow humanitarian aid in of course, but rationed. Do not forget, that palestinians are people too, and have the same inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as the Jews do--heck, even as you do. By blockading Gaza and making them completely dependent humanitarian aid from Israel, the palestinians in Gaza are being denied those basic human rights.

        Quite frankly, I am sympathetic for the Palestinians. All they want back is the property that was taken from them in 1948. Property rights form the core of libertarians ideals, and therefore should be enforced. I am sorry that you do not agree, but from an Objectivist point of view, the Palestinians have the moral high ground.

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        1. Todd

          I guess since Gaza has been such a kind neighbor to Israel, we should all leave well enough alone. the thousands of bombs, the death to Israel chants must all be propaganda. Were we wrong to stand up to Hitler? Did he have the moral high ground? The Jews are the most persecuted race on the face of the earth. They have the right to security and America needs to support that right.

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      3. erky

        Israel's policy has been, don't starve them but put them on a diet. Yes, they do allow a limited amount of humanitarian aid, but it is the bare minimum to keep people alive. Only the basics like flour, sugar, oil etc. Do some research before repeating IDF statements. Even the Israeli media knows what the policy is, and a lot of people there don't agree with it.(go to Haaretz newspaper web site). The only people thriving in Gaza are the smugglers, and Hamas who taxes them. All the legitimate businesses have been bankrupted.
        In the United States it seems, it's OK to be Un-American but don't dare criticize Israel.
        Did you know that Ronald Reagan supported a number of UN resolutions condemning Israels actions. It's called tough love, to have the courage to take your friend aside and tell him he has gone too far.
        We're not seeing that these days because the Republican party has been taken over by fools, deluded religious people and traitors.
        To think that Israels interests and America's interests are identical is just plain false. America's interests are to maintain peace and stability in the middle east, Israels interests are total victory and conquest over the Palestinians. These interests simply are not compatible, and put this country and her citizens at risk.

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  4. Liberty

    Dr. Paul, I am extremely disappointed in you comments about Israel. I have been a vehement supporter of yours in the past and will always be a stanch supporter of liberty. You were my last hope; you were the only congressman that I thought got it. It is clear now that you are just like them, ignorant and inconsistent. Attempts to exterminate the Jews have been many though out history. The Jews have finally decided to defend themselves and there you go and join the ranks of BBC and Reuters to spew ridiculous accusations. You say they don’t allow humanitarian aid into Gaza. I expected that comment from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. They do allow aid into Gaza, they just inspect the cargo for weapons first. If the government of Mexico would have fired 6,500 indiscriminant missiles into the US, I think you would agree that the US should respond; and not with paintball guns either, like the Israeli commandos who boarded the flotilla did. But when the Jews defend themselves you believe that there is injustice. There is no point in trying to explain Israel’s actions to an anti-Semite, no matter how much evidence I provide there mind will not be changed. I therefore am leaving your camp and seeking a real believer in Liberty to support.

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    1. glen

      Obviously an Israeli pretending to be a Paul supporter--quick, Dr. Paul, change your stance! You just lost one!

      As far as I'm concerned Israel can do anything it wants--just not on my dime. Keep your long, slimy fingers out of my pocket! Stop picking my pocket!

      This foolish crap puts America in the crossfire. But of course you don't want to see it that way. In your mind it's poor pityful me. It's all because I'm a jew. NO! it's because of the way you behave. If you keep walking the same path, you will get to the same place, understand?

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      1. Liberty

        Glen, I am not an Israeli and I never advocated that the US giving money to Israel. As a Libertarian I am a non-interventionist. The US is the one giving financial aid to everyone to gain control; this does not benefit Israel, quite the opposite. The people you should take issue with is the US Government and it's socialistic agenda. America is putting itself in the crossfire. You have the whole thing backwards.

        I am a Jew and I ask for no pity. I just like you have the right to defend myself. Israel just like any other country has the right to defend itself. The path we followed in the past was to walk unarmed into the gas chamber. We have changed paths - for good!

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      2. cliff

        you obviously do not understand israel's circumstances.

        what ron paul said is sad.

        and even though i may get 12 thumbs down on this and maybe one thumb up,

        that's o.k.

        I know I stand with, with israel, God's chosen people.....that is, those who will receive His son...Jesus, the messiah, soon coming King.

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  5. john cole

    am using my real name -- voted for you in new hampshire primary -- will back you in 2012

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  6. Jordan nemer

    to all the jew haters israel will survive and prosper! I agree with rep. paul that the us shouldn't be involved and do any of you jew haters realize that ending foreign aid to israel would be the best thing that happened to them ever since there independence? As a zionist jew i look at this policy option strategically and i happen to agree with rep. Pauls stance on non interventionist foreign policy. 1. Israel can make there own weapons and most of them are the best in the world. 2. Israels economy is turning more capitalistic and stronger that the foreign aid gives the US an excuse to boss israel around on her soveirgnty and basically everything. And many israelis knows this and when rep. paul was running for president according to one poll 80% of the israeli jews polled seem to favor rep. Paul over anybody else! Me personally I donht want to have missles being poored in at civilians. But one question is that the israeli millitary has 3 systems that can shoot down missles and obliterate them in the sky. Why haven't the israelis installed these systems on the gaza and lebanon borders?

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    1. cliff

      sorry, the u.s should, should support israel and not stay nutruel.

      it's scriptural. to those who will receive God's one and only Son, Jesus, the name above all names.

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  7. Daniel

    So are you anti Israel individuals saying that if Mexico was firing missles / rockets at the USA , you would be against sealing the border and establishing a blockade?

    I think not...double standard by anti semites and liberal godless unbelievers....or possibly apostate christians.

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    1. blaine

      I agree with your policy point. I am put off by the condescension shown by your second paragraph. I am not morally or intellectually inferior to you by virtue of being a godless unbeliever; and history is against the insinuation that any one religion has practical-moral insight due to their religion. I am happy to be an ally of many religious people (and in fact to love several of them), but my allies all can and do justify their arguments with universal human values. The rigorous study and practice of ethics (at least in the Western world) began with the Greek polytheists, not with your favorite religion.

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  8. Phil Humphries

    Ron: If it's not your business to be involved in foreign policy and actions - then, do not comment. We must allow (and your silence/comments must allow) Israel to look after it's own interests. God forbid, the US is is smearing them enough. If we are neutral, we should sound neutral. That is, no comments.. even though Israel is being assailed from all sides by people who would do the same to the US - given the chance. Just MHO

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  9. longshotlouie

    Keep waking the world
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKaS6wkvNNk&feature=player_embedded

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  10. Yvonne

    It's not our war.
    We don't belong there.
    American soldiers are human beings. These men and women are loved and they belong in the USA.

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    1. blaine

      Well said, Yvonne.

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  11. glen

    I think we should stay out of Israels affairs--100%! The international jewery has plenty of money, as well as Christian Fundamentalists; let them support Israel!
    But no, they want to bribe slimy polititians with hundreds of millions to extract billions from the American taxpayer. They have no conscience and they have no mercy. They will squeeze as much as possible from who ever they can get it from to advance themselves with no concern or consideration of the effects that will have on others or their society--truly an evil lot!
    If they weren't getting money from us, money that we don't have, money we have to borrow and our children will have to payback, money that they so happily and greedily manipulate away from us, they would have to conduct themselves in a less brutish manner. They behave as a naughty little child who's daddy gives them anything they want, all the money they need to do anything they like, and when they get in trouble it's always the other guy's fault, and there's Daddy to the rescue to take up for little Junior and continue to support his misbehavior. One day Daddy may not be around, and then there'll be rotten, little Junior all by himself, surrounded by enemies, because he never behaved in a manner that created friendship-- only bribery, swindling and heavy-handed thuggery.

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    1. monthey

      I couldn't have said it better myself. The cristal clear truth!

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  12. blaine

    I'm with Paul as far as his judgements are based upon libertarianism. And I can't disagree with him that, though we don't wish to be, we are involved. But he is clearly ignorant about Islamic Jihadists. There is video evidence of these "humanitarians" yelling Islamic battle cries, and more evidence will flow for the next few months, for anybody who cares about real evidence.

    I would have thought that Ron would be smarter than to just accept the politically correct perspective of CNBC, Al Jazeera et. al., who start with the simplistic assumption that if soldiers fight non-soldiers then the soldiers are the ones seeking violence. It is counter to American common sense, but do a little research and you will find that normal motivations like to live-and-let-live just do not apply to Islamic fundamentalists (plus, anybody who understands Islam knows that, unlike our other religions, fundamentalism is essential to all mainstream schools of Islam).

    Yes, joining in battles on the other side of the world is counter-productive, but that does not mitigate the fact that there is consensus among every widespread school of Islam that non-Muslims should, and eventually will be, subservient to Muslims. If we are forced to pick allies, at least choose that aren't praying for your demise and the destruction of the most basic of civil liberties. If civilized countries would stop funneling money to the Islamic countries and joining in their fallacious PR campaigns, then they would go back to bemoaning our success, biding their time, and eating sand sandwiches.

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    1. Wonka

      Degrading other people's religions makes you sound dumb and discredits anything else you have to say.

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      1. Ben

        That's interesting, Wonka. You think that Blaine is degrading someone's religion. I don't see how, it just seems that he's mentioning some harsh truths about the "religion of peace".

        But of course you didn't find Tim's anti-Christian anti-Jewish comments to be an issue. Huh. I see.

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        1. Wonka

          opps, sorry, missed Tim's comment, wait there a minute, I'll take care of this...

          Dear Tim,

          STFU

          Love Wonka

          K, I'm back.

          And huh, NO, you don't see: the point is not to put one religion against another (as in you accusing me of being an Islamist sympathizer because I bashed blaine and missed Tim)

          I have a vidio for you Ben. It's not propaganda so watch it completely.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VySTJMgFeEE

          I'll be online for a while here

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        2. ProudTEX

          Please please please don't make us U.S. look Dumb to the whole world. The whole world condemned this fascist action by Israel. unless we think smarter then the rest of the world but if we think that way, wouldn't that make us fascist too? So lets us U.S. stay away from the Stinky State of the Israel (S.S.Israel)

          Here is the list of the countries are whom condemned this coward action.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_Gaza_flotilla_raid

          Paul put it best we shouldn't be involved.

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      2. blaine

        Wonka: With respect to criticism-of-Islam making an argument unworthy-- what a cowardly stance. Muslims not only criticize non-Muslims by virtue of their religion, but their (Muslim) religion obligates them to strip non-Muslims of many of the rights that form the basis of libertarianism whenever it is possible. This is clearly written in their sacred books, and they prove their sincerity today with every instance (over 100) of Sharia in Muslim and mixed countries the world over. Every instance of Sharia puts the force of the government behind the subjugation of non-Muslims and of Muslim women. The Muslims spit in your face and shXX on your rights, say that your mother and your daughter should be punished if they act equivalent to men, and you have so little respect for yourself, women, and basic human rights that you just smile and pontificate about respect for others' religion.

        Here is a thought experiment where the consequence would certainly follow if the reader acted as proposed. You move yourself and your family to any area where Muslims have succeeded in attaining the FULL support of the law in force... i.e., where Muslims have achieved complete Sharia according to the consensus of Islamic legal experts... If your mother converts to Sharia and then a year later changes her mind and sticks to her de-conversion, the Muslims will be under obligation to kill her. I do realize that at this point in time Sharia is not in full effect in the Sharia enclaves in European countries-- you have to go to a real Islamic country for that (only because people like Wonka have so far not succeeded in making our laws less discriminatory to Muslim blood-thirst). Allowing Muslims to murder people like that will only happen in the US if people like Wonka fight for Muslim barbarity against defenders of freedom.

        Jefferson, Paine, etc. al. fought Britain primarily for rights of property. The threats of the enemy of that time pale compared to what Muslims would impose on us. Compare taxation-without-representation with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBNPStCb6Uo&feature=player_embedded . That is not an isolated incident, just as acts of Islamic terrorism are not isolated incidents. The motivation behind them is enshrined in law in Islamic nations. It takes an empty PC suit to respect the US Founding Fathers and then, lacking the courage to even verbally defend freedom, instead cheer lead for Muslims who fight for the subjugation of women and non-Muslims.

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        1. Wonka

          Of course, I do not approve of or sympathize with any of the abhorent tendancies you've ascribed to Muslim's. And of course beliefs do lead to actions so if I condem an action I must also trace it back to it's origions and condemn the belief.

          Take, for instance, the Catholic Church. A brief study of it's history yields a horror story equivalent to the one you just told. Now I cannot believe that every Catholic that ever lived supported this barbarism. Just the same, it is not true that every "Muslim" intentify's with or supports the idiocy of established Muslim culture. I would bet that the "consensus of Islamic legal experts" (do you mean LAWYERS?!) that you refered to is merely a "consensus" of the most corrupt of the bunch. Tell me, would you let the BAR association speak your beliefs on your behalf?

          As far as the issue we started with I do believe you've invented my position considerably. Where exactly did I say that I would tolerate one act of violence against myself or my loved ones if the perpetraitor was Muslim?? Or when did I say that I approved of anything Israel did? I am saying get to the point: an immoral action is an immoral action, if you want to stick by your guns and say that the Islamic religion is inseparable from evil go for it. But take one good look at THIS COUNTRY as it would appear to an outsider who only looks at the the supervisible actions of the government! They would declare it evil, but they would make quite a mistake if they concluded that their superfial view applied ad infinitum to the human beings living in the system.

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        2. blaine

          Amazing how people can be strident with their views at the same time they admit to both ignorance on the topic and intellectual laziness.

          For people who want to understand reality, instead of concluding "I would bet...", based on pure ignorance of the subject matter, spend an hour to inform yourself about the inherent fundamentalist nature of Islam as it exists in the world today.

          Compare the theology and politics of large (> 1,000,000 followers) Christian and Islamic sects/schools/organizations. In a library or on the Internet, you can easily find documents where adherents lay out the tenets of their own religion. Among large Christian organizations, you will find insurmountable differences on practical interpretation about just about everything. Among large Muslim organizations (including those which "run" the legal system in several Islamic countries), you will find consensus on all of the points discussed here.

          If you are especially curious, look up exactly what the differences are which cause the fighting between Sunnis, Wahhabis, Shi'as (there is no fighting among the different "schools", which is a different thing). You will find that they all agree on everything that matters most to us (that women and non-Muslims should be subservient, that "human equality" is an affront to Allah, etc.).

          Invest another half hour if you want to clear your brain of politically correct misinterpretations about Sharia. There is consensus among the proponents of Sharia about their ultimate goal. They differ only in what they can succeed in enforcing "now". Read their own writings on the subject.

          Wonka seems infected with politically correct blinders that prevent him from understanding what "religious fundamentalism" means. If you belong to a fundamentalist organization of any type, you willfully give your support to the precise interpretation of that organization. If you do not believe in the stated tenets of the fundamentalist organization to which you belong, then you are either ignorant (either profoundly ignorant or willfully ignorant), duplicitous, or both. Islam is a fundamentalist religion. I suspect that most American Muslims are of the willfully ignorant variety, based on the fact that we don't have terrorist attacks daily.

          I will carefully read any replies with actual evidence. If this thread continues, I hope that bystanders will pay attention to the excuses for Islam which are sure to follow: Are they based on knowledge or "I bet" guesses (which conflict with what Muslims themselves say) and assumptions that Islam is just like Christianity?

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  13. Ben

    Israel is not trying to keep food and medicine out of Gaza. It's trying to keep WEAPONS out of Gaza.

    Nor did the ship in question have nothing to do with humanitarian purposes. Oh, it had some humanitarian supplies--water filtration systems, plastic shelters, etc. Also, crayons. And when you think about it, crayons are pretty cute aren't they? Those Jews just want make sure Palestinian kids can't color in their coloring books. Meanies.

    But Israel offered to deliver those, and the so-called "freedom flotilla" turned them down because that would fail to accomplish the goal of breaking the blockade.

    "This mission is not about delivering humanitarian supplies, it's about breaking Israel's siege on 1.5 million Palestinians," said flotilla enthusiast and professor Greta Berlin. (She was on the flotilla)

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100528/wl_afp/mideastconflictgazademoaid_20100528024425

    So Dr. Paul is wrong. Again.

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    1. Tim

      Why do you even bother to print such obvious lies? Or is it that you only read zionist propaganda? You can't be that uninformed. I think you post inflammatory remarks to goad a response that your handlers to use to denigrate Ron Paul. Either that or you crave attention.

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    2. Wonka

      Were there any weapons on the ship then? The artical you posted didn't say that there were, a fact it would certainly have mentioned. What indeed is wrong with "the goal of breaking the blockade"? Breaking a blockade sounds like a peaceful goal to me; sure the passengers had weapons, but they were personal arments: nothing that could be construed as "providing for military activities"

      I believe that carrying personal weapons for self-defence is a normal thing, if fact it reminds me of a freedom that is supposed to be honored in this country.

      So what wrong with "breaking the blockade". You make it sound like such a malicious goal. Sounds like a push for "FREE EXANGE OF GOODS" to me

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    3. ProudTEX

      Okay Ben Dover,

      Here is the list of the country that condemned this fascist action why wouldn't you? Huh?
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_Gaza_flotilla_raid

      (example 1)Mr. Obama seems to be pretty quick without fact and nature of a situation and call other organization "acted stupidly"
      (example 2)but slow pooh when comes to condemning Israel and that is because he is Israeli Puppet. How could a puppet disrespect his master controller? huh

      (Example 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZYsW_PxWAM
      (Example 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcTD3gJSjiM

      Here is Arial Sharon quotations;
      “Don't worry about American pressure, we control America.”
      “Don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.”

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    4. cliff

      Israel was ambushed. it was a setup.

      if you understand history in that area, period, and understand what's happening in the u.s. today with the underground revolutionist movement with william ayers and his wife, along with code pink.......oh yes...

      those people are the very people that formed the group "free gaza."

      those people are the very people that orchastrated the ambush on Israel.

      of course the media....i.e. cnn, msnbc.....are not going to report the whole story because they are behind the underground movement.

      by the way, the palestinian state, jhadists, and the radical core of muslims, but not the average muslim, are at war with israel.

      the underground movement along with the jhadists want the destruction of israel......and.....the u.s.

      all individuals who are not part of the underground movement/jhadists, are considered enemies and must be destroyed.

      the u.s. must, must support israel.......

      you should log on to joel rosenburg's weblog.......he describes things correctly.

      he's a christian jew.....he has a bullet-proof defense for israel.

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  14. adn

    we con the world
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg&feature=player_embedded

    dr paul should be ashamed to be spreading false rumors about the state of gaza - there is ample food, and it is no "concentration camp"

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    1. Yvonne

      adn
      My God that video really is funny. But this is not a laughting matter. If Muslims are exaggerating their problems or not it doesn't matter. We don't belong there.
      This is between Israel and Palestine.
      USA children belong in the USA.

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  15. Mrblump

    The supply of weapons and money to Israel needs to be halted immediately. They have made there own mess and need to fix there own problems.

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  16. Citizen

    Paradoxically
    Jewish Americans typically vote 70% support to Liberal Democratic candidates, yet its the Republicans who consistently support Israel. Ironically its the Dems that are threatening to cut the Israel support and they get most of the Jewish votes.

    Our military and financial support of Israel is probably the single biggest reason that Islam in the middle east is waging Jihad against America.
    Add to this, Obama is a professed Muslim in word and deed.
    The battle lines are being drawn, , Armageddon isn't far off.

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    1. erky

      Supporting the far right in Israel is not the same as supporting Israel.
      Israel gets 6 billion dollars a year, with which they have created a welfare state. They get the best weapons in the world, all free, AND they have nukes when nobody else in the region does.
      What else do they want?
      People keep repeating that Hamas doesn't recognize the right of Israel to exist. So What, they are powerless to do anything about it, so why keep repeating it.
      They have sticks and stones, Israel has F16's. The argument is over. Hamas managed to kill 4 people in 4 years after 2700 rockets. Israel killed 56 people with 10X the number of rockets. More people die in Israel after slipping and falling in the shower. By all measures Israel has won.
      It would be like me saying I don't recognize China's right to exist.
      I think it's time for America to cut the apron strings from it's spoilt child.

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  17. http://www.flyingbuffaloes7.net/keluar9.html

    O Jerusalem, take heed. The current situation in Israel is untenable; there is an unending conflict between the Palestinians and the Jews. Jewish inhabitants distrust the Palestinians, and vice versa. The age-old struggle between them has cost many lives, much hardship and untold sorrow. The conflict has generated tremendous anger, hatred and distrust – forcing them to live under a single umbrella has proven to be a formula for unending friction.

    In order to allow a chance for peace in the Middle East, something has to give. Wars will not bring an end to it, as they have been going on for centuries with no resolution. Negotiations and mediations between the parties have not worked either.

    The two peoples cannot continue to be forced to live together in the contrived single state of Israel. THEY NEED TO BE PERMANENTLY SEPARATED. A new state needs to be formed for the Palestinian occupants of Israel. The only practical solution is to have the new state created with continuous borders and a sea port.

    The Gaza Strip is already populated by Palestinians, and it has a sea port. The West Bank is also populated with many Palestinians, so the two should be connected with land. This means that there should be no reason for a citizen of the new Palestinian state to have to cross into Israel to reach some part of his or her country. Likewise, there should be no reason for Israelis to need to cross the Palestinian borders to reach any part of Israel. This will eliminate much of the friction at the borders.

    Also, neighbouring countries should consider granting some land to the Palestinians, so that the new state has enough land to reasonably house its people and become a viable nation state.

    Jerusalem is a major sticking point in regard to a two-state solution, which affects not only the parties, but peace in the region. Both sides have long-standing reasons to be inflexible regarding the city. Both sides have long historical, cultural and religious reasons for their intransigence regarding Jerusalem. This has led many people to insist that the two-state solution have a shared Jerusalem. That is, severing Jerusalem in twain, part to one nation and part to another, or granting co-ownership of the city to both nation states. Are either of these proposals wise?

    The twentieth century saw what happened when secular powers divided up Berlin into sections. The situation was so bellicose that the Berlin Wall was erected to section off the city. For decades, the Wall divided the people and caused tremendous misery until it was finally demolished.

    The same mentality of erecting “Berlin Walls” is very active in modern-day Israel, as is seen by the walled-off sections of the West Bank. Fencing off sections of Berlin did not work, and it should not be encouraged in Jerusalem. Further, if there are national borders running through the city of Jerusalem, it will guarantee that there will be continued friction and bloodshed in the city.

    It is understood that neither party wants to relinquish all rights to Jerusalem, but, in reality, to have lasting peace in the area, is there any other choice? I suggest that there is not. Many centuries of conflict support my position. Therefore, in my opinion, Jerusalem should either be wholly within the nation of Israel or wholly within the newly created Palestinian state. To accomplish this, one side or the other would necessarily have to relinquish Jerusalem voluntarily, if it is to be settled amicably. It should be realized that the side that vacates Jerusalem should be amply compensated for it when boundaries for the two newly-formed nation states are drawn.

    Clearly, both parties’ claims to Jerusalem are heavily based on religious grounds. If neither side will voluntarily relinquish the city, then, after solemn prayers, a lot should be cast over which nation state will house Jerusalem. Those who sincerely believe in the Divine should accept that the lot will result in the Divine’s will being carried out.

    I have seen the future for the area presently known as Israel if a two-state solution is not soon implemented, with one of the nation states having exclusive control and ownership of Jerusalem. The future will certainly be filled with many more tears and much more sorrow for everyone in the area. This future can be changed if Jerusalem is given over to one side or the other, and two separate and independent nations are created soon. If this does not happen, I have foreseen that one, later to be known by a name that sounds something like “Ahmad Mahmud” will emerge and take Jerusalem down, and nobody will have it ever after.

    Amitakh Stanford

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  18. James

    This is why I love Ron Paul. Not sure if Rand Paul shares these views, haven't heard much about his foreign policy stance. I think Rand is holding back on non-intervention talk to appease Tea Partiers.

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    1. cliff

      i do believe rand supports israel. goood.

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  19. Jim Thompson

    While I certainly agree that the U.S. should not get involved in this mess, I must disagree with Rep. Paul on his overall view of the situation.

    Hamas and the Israelis have been at war for several years and this is only one facet of the ongoing battle. To suggest that this was simply an attempt by well meaning people to help feed starving Gazans is naive in the extreme. Israel offered to dock the ship and, after searching the contents, forward any humanitarian aid to Gaza under International observation. This was refused in favor of a confrontation.

    Many of the participants, as well as the organization that organized the effort, are known internationally to have ties to, or be fronts for, extremist and terrorist groups. Israel was well within its rights to stop the ship.

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    1. Rick

      Exactly correct Jim. I've been a RP supporter since he first ran for President as the Libertarian Party candidate, and still have an RP sticker on my car, but Dr. Paul couldn't be more wrong here. Hamas and the Palestinians refuse to accept the very right of existence of Israel. Israel has every right to defend itself from its enemies.

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  20. John Murdoch

    It has been long overdue that we reconsider our unilateral blind support of Israel. All Israel has done is take our money to bombard the Palestinian people into the stone age, and tarnish our reputation in the world by creating a whole new generation of people that hates our guts for supporting this ridiculous Israeli government.

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    1. Bottomline

      Israel is posing as the victim in all of this. The more our money is pouring into that country the more they could be more powerful. I urge that we cut all foreign aid.

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  21. Bottomline

    You're right we shouldn't stick our nose into other countries business, what we should concern about is the well being of our own country.

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    1. fred the protectionist

      The well being of our own country, uhhuh.

      The protectionists built America, now you free traders tear everything down again.

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      1. Citizen

        Seriously Fred...
        You support Isrial?
        I guess Protectionism and Interventionism go hand in hand but makes for a lot of enemies.

        At least your consistent with your Big Government National Socialist (NAZI) perspectives.

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        1. fred the protectionist

          No, protectionism and isolationism go hand in hand.

          Free trade and interventionism are inseparable, and Ron Paul looks foolish when he tries to claim he's a non-interventionist and anarcho free trader.

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  22. mrMISDEMEANOR

    Israel might be democratic, but they are a terrorist state.

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    1. Citizen

      Judaism and Islam have been at each others throats since Isaac and Ismael, brothers full of hatred.

      A terrorist state surrounded by terrorists!

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      1. erky

        Citizen. It's not as simple as that. For the most part, Jews flourished in the Muslim Ottoman Empire. They were given refuge there by the Sultan, when all Jews were expelled from Spain or forced to convert to Catholicism. The Jews were some of the most loyal subjects of the Turks, not once did they revolt or cause any trouble. Turkish Jews speak a dialect of Spanish called Ladino, and have had a profound effect on Turkish culture and Music. (A Turkish singer called Tarkan is hugely popular in Latin America, even though they can't understand him. Go figure) At the same time in Europe, they were being persecuted by the inquisitions by the Catholic Church. This continued after the reformation as well (Martin Luthers later writings were highly Anti Semitic). Ironically it was the Palestinians that revolted against the Turks, and butchered Turkish soldiers in their sleep. The British had promised them freedom from the Turks (Lawrence of Arabia). Unfortunately things didn't work out too well for the Palestinians. They have made a series of historical blunders, however we cannot lose our humanity by treating people like animals.

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    2. cliff

      israel being a terrorist state??

      Hardly.

      look at iran, palestine, etc.

      the people hiding on that floatilla were not peace activists, they were terrorists waiting toambush israel.

      by the way, that ambush was set up by bill ayers, his wife, code pink.
      this group formed the group, free gaza.

      they give thousands of dollars to those terrorists.

      do your research....it's true..

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  23. LightsEShadows

    I very like Ron Paul but definitely not on this one. The gaza blockade is necessary for the continuos smuggling of terrorists and weapons into Gaza, things that going to hurt Israel not us in our dining rooms.

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  24. prayfortruejustice

    U.S. citizen killed in Israeli raid

    A U.S. citizen was among the nine people killed when Israeli commandos raided a flotilla attempting to deliver aid to Gaza, ABC News reports.

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    1. Bottomline

      & is Israel suppose to be our ally? Give me a break! I think that it's practicing terrorism.

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    2. cliff

      there are so many ignorant people on this online chat....

      they do not understand israel, the revolunists bill ayers and his group wanting to kill israel, u.s.

      people.....open your eyes up.

      don't make your decisions by watching CNN, please...

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  25. prayfortruejustice

    Next time we'll use more force'
    By YAAKOV KATZ, AP AND JPOST.COM STAFF 06/01/2010 13:41
    Navy prepares for expected arrival of 2 more activist ships.
    Israel will use more aggressive force in the future to prevent ships from breaking the sea blockade on the Gaza Strip, a top Navy commander told The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday.
    "We boarded the ship and were attacked as if it was a war," the officer said. "That will mean that we will have to come prepared in the future as if it was a war."

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  26. NMFarrier

    I have to say Ron Paul is wrong on this one... the red cross and many other organizations supply many things to Gaza... Hamas is a terrorist group.. the USA is in war against terrorists... any American supporting terrorists should be charged with treason.

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  27. NoamTube

    I liked this guy until now. His view on Israel completely turned me off to him. The U.S. should back up the only democratic country in the whole Middle East.

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    1. erky

      Turkey is a democracy. Their foreign policy reflects the passions of their people. They will not stand by and let 1.5million fellow Muslims suffer.
      When Turkey was less democratic, the generals would never have allowed the flotilla.
      So make up your mind America, do you want democracy in the middle east or not? Or only when it suits you apparently. Ron Paul is right, let people sort out their problems, trade with them and engage them. Business communities are far better at achieving peace than politicians.

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  28. Nexus974

    I LOVE this guy!!!

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  29. airborne373

    Israeli's attacked U.S. Flagged vessels in international water shooting a U.S. National four time in the head.

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  30. IRSFRAUDEXPOSED

    Palestine is a concentration camp period. israel are hypocrites. pure lying evil.

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    1. cliff

      no....you speak untruth.

      Israel is an ally.

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  31. nt109

    should have sanctions against Israel after all they are the ones in the middle east with the nukes and they are the ones destabilizing the middle east.

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  32. drywater2k

    A true mark of a politician is a leader and teacher. That is why Ron Paul is so great.

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  33. kixdirtsevin

    you can not stop what will come we are not as brainwashed and clueless as we once had been .

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  34. CheekyMonkey888

    Israel, on its own, should thank the US for its support , but politely refuse it, at the same time as insisting that foreign aid to Islamic countries, which is actually greater, also be stopped

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    1. erky

      Israel gets the same amount of foreign aid as the rest of the world put together. They have 5.6 million people, versus billions in the rest of the world. Not to be insensitive or play into stereotypes, I just don't see Israeli's turn down free money, do you?

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  35. Raimunelar

    Right on Dr. Paul. Hope some clueless/ brainwashed Americans listen to what you just said. $4 Billion plus per yr in foreign aide to Israel.

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    1. cliff

      if you're indicating that those who support israel are clueless and brainwashed.

      think again......

      you are one of those who are clueless and brainwashed.

      please stop watching cnn.

      usa must support israel.

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