Ron Paul Defends Obama on BP Oil Spill, And Himself on Owning Gold




Ron Paul tells it like it is: Obama is not to blame for the BP oil spill; the people responsible for such an accident should be completely responsible for cleaning it up. Paul also discusses his $1.5 million in gold stocks, a day after two staff writers for a Washington newspaper were stunned that a politician has the audacity to walk the talk and actually put his money where his mouth is.

Channel: CNBC
Date: 06/15/2010

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News Anchor: The president has been criticized for his response to the oil spill. But he has an ally in a rather unlikely place. Here now is that ally: Congressman Ron Paul, Republican from Texas. Congressman Paul, it’s wonderful to see you again, I appreciate it.

Ron Paul: Thank you.

News Anchor: And I know, sir, that you have come to the defense of the president on this issue. You’ve described yourself as a pretty strong critic of him and his administration. Why do you think that he’s done an okay job when it comes to the oil spill?

Ron Paul: Well, in its entirety, I guess I would dissect that out. But in general, I would say that it has been unfair for him to get all the blame for an accident committed by an oil company. And at the same time I said that I think we overly blamed George Bush for the hurricane. I mean, there are sort of limits to what governments can do. I did suggest that he could have done more to get out of the way and allow the states and individual property owners to do what they could to protect their property. But to blame the president for everything that has gone wrong down there; I just think that we’ve developed a culture where everything is to be solved by the government, you know, anything that goes wrong, the president is responsible, he has to take care of it. So I think even his Democratic alleys have come down pretty hard on him, and at times unfairly. I’d much rather have them talk about why the war is continuing and why are we target American citizens for assassination and a few other things like that, and not come down hard on him for not doing enough about the oil leak.

News Anchor: Let me just follow up on your point about how everyone is saying they want the government. We did a non-scientific survey today on CNBC, asking, “Who do you blame more for the oil spill?” And our results were: 41% of our viewers said they blamed BP more than the government. 59% blamed the government more than BP. And I guess my question to you is this: you mentioned the Democrats. But what the great irony seems to be is that a lot of people on the right, a lot of Republicans are the ones criticizing the president for not doing enough. The very people who, a few weeks ago, were saying, “Government should get out of things,” are now saying government should get in.

Ron Paul: Well, I think there is a lot of partisanship. I like to think of how this would have been accomplished if we would have had a freer market and property rights. If we had property rights, somebody would have owned the fishing rights and oil drillers couldn’t go in there unless they got permission from the fishermen. And there would have to be provisions, there would have to be bonds put up and there would have to be provisions for accidents like this. But no, government gives them permission, they limit the liability of the oil companies and then they say the taxpayer will pick it up. That’s a moral hazard by saying the government is going to inspect and give the license and protect everybody. So it’s the system that is wrong, rather than saying, “Well, the government just hasn’t done enough”. They probably did too much, too soon. And we should think about another approach to problems like this.

News Anchor: Would you remove limits on liabilities then, the cap?

Ron Paul: Oh, absolutely. I mean, they shouldn’t have any limits, it’s a rich company. The people on the left who think they want to protect some of these people who have suffered by bankrupting the company and not buying their oil – No, you don’t want to bankrupt this company, this a healthy company. But they should be held a 100% liable for anybody who is lost, and those are the kind of contracts that would have been designed in the market place rather than having the government give the permits and have the inspections and set them up. So I think that process is wrong.

News Anchor: I guess people are concerned if you do that with the oil industry, you could do it across the board. And that hits the broader issue of court reform and whether we’re too sue-happy of a country and companies would be so busy worrying about losses if they don’t go ahead and do needed investments. How far do I take your argument of getting rid of the liability cap on oil companies?

Ron Paul: Well, people should be liable for the harm they cause. The question is who is going to pay? The people who were responsible, or the taxpayer who wasn’t responsible? So those are terrible choices. I would say it would easy to say, “Well, the people who were responsible, the oil companies should pay.” Because I think it’s terrible to limit their liability and dump it on the tax payers. That doesn’t make any sense to me.

News Anchor: Would you support big changes in our energy policy now, I guess, permanently and as quickly as possible – deepwater drilling?

Ron Paul: No, I wouldn’t want to end it. I would make it stricter so that they would have to promise to protect anybody that was involved or exposed, like the fishermen on the shorelines. Rather than having the government give them contracts, they would have to have an agreement with the people who might get hurt. So we would change the conditions. But, you know, how many thousands, like 30,000 wells have been drilled out there?

News Anchor: Yeah.

Ron Paul: I mean, it’s a horrible accident, but it’s an accident. Do you think BP likes this kind of stuff? It’s not like they committed a criminal act, it’s the fact that there was an accident and yet I think it was the conditions of dependency on government and the government being the lender and the protector and the investigator of the last resort that brings on problems like this.

News Anchor: One final question before we go. Yesterday the Washington Post had done a story about how you invested in gold-related names. And they’ve given, as an example, how people in Congress could have conflicts in interest investing in what they’re regulating or voting on. Certainly it would seem that way in the case of a defense contract; for example, congressmen investing in a company that’s up for defense contract. In your case it really did seem different. You’re simply putting your money where your mouth is. And Jim Cramer just had a question for us. He says he thinks you should stay away from gold stocks and just buy the bullion via the GLD. Would you take his advice?

Ron Paul: Well, I’m not going to take his advice, but it’s not the worst advice in the world. You know, this idea that this may be a conflict of interest is sort of like if I owned a newspaper, and I defended the first amendment, it was a conflict of interest to defend the first amendment because it protected my right to publish a newspaper. No, I think that you can go one step further if you want to be real conservative. Go one step further, don’t just buy the GLD, but buy the coins themselves; they’re legal tender. Isn’t it ironic they suggest a conflict of interest by me buying something the government makes legal tender, gold coins … They say, “Oh, what’s he doing wrong? He’s buying this” only to make the point that if they ever had sound money and balanced the budget, the dollar would be fixed to gold. There would be no incentive to invest or speculate in gold.

News Anchor: One final question to you on that point of conflicts of interests, though. Do you think it’s fair – you know, you’ve been part of writing the Financial Reform Bill – that you, as someone who’s been part of that legislation, would have the right to buy, say, shares of Goldman Sachs and then go in and fight tooth and nail and fight regulation on Goldman Sachs. Shouldn’t it be that if you’re on a committee that regulates an industry, you shouldn’t be allowed to buy individual companies in that industry?

Ron Paul: Well, the whole problem is that we’re involved in so much. It’s because government is so big and they regulate, there are so many conflicts. But if you add men and woman of character that wouldn’t do anything for their special interest by writing regulations that might benefit them, then you wouldn’t have this problem. But the biggest problem is that the government is so involved in the economy. But the most important thing that is all that is out in the open. If I’m going to write favorable regulations for Goldman Sachs and I own Goldman Sachs stock, it should be well known. And that gets pretty shady there on the proper role of ethics in that situation.

News Anchor: Alright, Congressman Paul, thanks so much. Good to see you again, sir.

Ron Paul: Thank you.

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63 Comments:

  1. Ron Paul Rocks, Paul and Ventura 2012

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  2. starcatcher7777

    Accident? Are you going back to your bottom shelf Alum Foil Hat ?

    a BP engineer to describe the doomed rig as a "nightmare well," according to internal documents released Monday.

    The comment by BP engineer Brian Morel came in an e-mail April 14, six days before the Deepwater Horizon rig explosion that killed 11 people and has sent tens of millions of gallons of oil into the gulf !

    WHAT A TAINT YOU ARE RON PAUL !

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  3. ron this was staged for carbon tax didnt ou here him make the speech called INTERNATIONAL ORDER and watch the knowing movie with nicholas cage it predicts the oil spill and has the same picture

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  4. this was criminal on both sides and those people should be charged

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  5. Dr. Paul is the voice of the teaparty, the voice of free people of the world. His views have not changed over all his years in politics. He personifies what is good and just in humanity. He is a true God send for a country and his revolution will not be stopped. Republican vs Democrats is a diversion; what is really going on is good vs evil; tyranny vs freedom. We love Dr. Paul.

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    • "His views have not changed over all his years in politics."

      Just last week, he changed his mind about don't ask don't tell. He used to support the war in Afghanistan. He even voted for it. He changes his mind all of the time.

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  6. He makes a good point. Too bad so many political hacks (including Paul fans) are unable to see it this way.

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  7. 22CaliberHitters

    This oil spill was an inside job and Obama will pass a Carbon Tax because of this

    I think this is classy of Dr. Paul, but I think he'll regret sticking up for Obama once Barry passes that Carbon tax

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  8. NO?? He's responsible for the National Security Strategy" with "INTERNATIONAL ORDER" in it. For WE THE PEOPLE securing CHINA'S mineral investments in Afghanistan. Barry's a POS.

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  9. Go Ron Paul!

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  10. Good on you Ron!

    Paul/Ventura 2012

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  11. Oil spill= Feds fault

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  12. Ron paul has said it himself, with private property and a proper economic feedback mechanism we wouldn't be in this mess then does a 180 and says government shouldn't be blamed. There is a problem here. Either you have private ownership or government, how can you not blame government? Same thing for obesity, ever since the government got involved into fighting obesity, the levels of obesity have increased. Wether it's direct or indirect doesn't change the cause. Ron is conflicted

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    • Ron is not conflicted. In fact, he is supporting his principles consistently here.

      Blaming Obama for an oil spill accident lies on the assumption that the government is able to protect us from every single thing, including "acts of god" (see Paul's Katrina reference). Such a mindset becomes justification for increasing the size and scope of government.

      Ron is not conflicted here because he is supporting his view that private property and free market mechanisms are preferrable solutions to ineffective government regulation and interference, yet he is also supporting his view that government is not the answer to every problem or accident (and therefore Obama should not be blamed for the accident itself).

      The government can be blamed (as Paul indicates) for creating the moral hazard that lead to the unsafe conditions of the well. This is because government created the cap on liability which removed the incentive to operate safely. Installing a billion dollar shut-off hatch is seen as a bad business decision when your liability is capped at under a billion dollars. As Rachel Maddow pointed out on her show, an eerily similar accident occured in the 1970s, so it is clear that government has not been able to operate as an effective watchdog.

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  13. I wish I had half the wisdom and knowledge Ron Paul has when it comes to proper role of government. Individual freedom and a government limited to the confines of the constitution are principles one can be proud to fight and die for. He woke me up in 2008 - I will now ALWAYS vote for liberty, not who's got a better shot at winning or some media darling.

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  14. This guy is my president, for real. Thank you RP.

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  15. i disagree with dr paul on this one, i dont like offshore drilling because this is the kind of stuff that is bound to happen and i hope he changes his mind on it.

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  16. Let the locals handle it!

    EVERY TIME the federal gov't get's involved it all turns to CRAP! ObaMao cares more concerned about defending his union base and promoting cap & trade crony-corporatism than he cares about the gulf coast.

    If ObaMao cared about the gulf coast, he would NOT have waited 50+ days to do ANYTHING and would have called for international help day ONE!

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  17. The issue I see is, did HARRP or a similar technology cause or magnify alot of our weather related disasters? Also, was this done intentionally by BP or a connected party?

    I'm all for a free market, but that only works if we have a true and complete free market. I'm also very much in support of what Ron Paul stands for.

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  18. Their stock has plummeted since the first day of the accident. They will pay billions for all the damage done including the 11 people killed in the original explosion. They are being scrutinized wherever they do business all over the world, which will ultimately raise their cost of doing business in the future. Why in the hell would they do it on purpose? What would be their motivation for doing so?

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  19. SamuraiCommando

    The gov allowed the drilling. So the people are thinking correctly on the most part.

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  20. The oil leak is a distraction from the horrid things going on in Washington.

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