Ron Paul: End the War in Afghanistan!

Date: 06/27/2010

The Military Can Waste Money Too

by Ron Paul

This past week various news events once again made it abundantly clear that our foreign policy is an abject failure. Unfortunately, in spite of this the administration is determined to stay on this destructive course, despite any past promises to change it. For Afghanistan especially, if ever there was an opportunity to admit shortcomings and change strategies along with leaders, this past week was it.

There really is nothing for us to win in Afghanistan. Our mission has morphed from apprehending those who attacked us, to apprehending those who threaten or dislike us for invading their country, to remaking an entire political system and even a culture. I remain highly skeptical that, as foreign occupiers, we can ever impose western-style democracy on another country. Our troops have debilitating restrictions on defending themselves against enemies, which are so often indistinguishable from civilians. They also face dire setbacks in winning hearts and minds when innocents are mistakenly harmed, which happens all the time. We can never make friends this way; the tactic never works.

This is an expensive, bloody, endless exercise in futility. Not everyone is willing to admit this just yet. But every second they spend in denial has real costs in lives and livelihoods.

Many of us can agree on one thing, however. Our military spending in general has grown way out of control. This is largely because fiscal accountability in military budgeting is seen, by many, as weak on defense. This is absolutely wrong and a dangerous way to think. It is certainly possible for the military to waste money, or to spend money counterproductively, and indeed it has. But out of political correctness, the military has been getting blank checks from the administrations and Congress for far too long.

It is important to defend our soil, but let us defend our own soil instead of defending Europe’s soil. Our willingness to defend Europe enables their lavish social spending at our expense, while they criticize our model of capitalism. It is time they allocated the money for their own defense. The same goes for Korea, Japan and other countries like Egypt and Israel.

It is also important that while our troops are in combat, our soldiers have what they need to do the best they can, even if we disagree with why they are there. It is an embarrassment that some soldiers and families have had to buy body armor at their own expense when billions are awarded to politically well-connected defense contractors for weapon systems that don’t work, are over-budget, past deadline. This is the kind of waste that needs to end. I firmly believe that there is enough waste in the military budget that we can both save money overall and at the same time be safer.

Of course, the obvious way to save money and be safer is to stop meddling in the affairs of foreign countries and just bring our troops home. This will happen eventually if our empire, like every other fallen empire, insists on spending itself into collapse. If we want to avoid this, we must look into ways to bring our costs under control. Military budgets must be on the chopping block along with everything else.

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  1. Dr. Paul’s proposed foreign policy is as unique and sensible as his proposed monetary policy. He simply looks to the Constitution for Federal authority to conduct war and coin money. Since his colleagues in the House and all the Senators take the same oath as He, shouldn’t we demand the same from them?

    Having read Staunton Evan’s BLACKLISTED BY HISTORY about the McCarthy hearings, I am convinced the domestic enemies of the Constitution are usually real, while the foreign enemies are fabricated by those very domestic enemies lurking in government. Robert Welch, Martin Dies and Joseph McCarthy all suspected Eisenhower of deliberately allowing the USSR’s occupation of Eastern Europe as Supreme Allied European Commander at the end of World War II.

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  2. GO DR. NO!
    NO GOVERNMENT THAT IS NOT LIMITED BY THE CONSTITUTION!
    NO UNPROVOKED WARS!
    NO FEDERAL RESERVE!
    NO INCOME TAX!
    NO MONEY THAT IS NOT BACKED UP WITH GOLD OR SILVER!
    NO BIG GOVERNMENT!
    NO FISCAL IRRESPONSIBILITY!
    NO LOSS OF OUR BILL OF RIGHTS!
    NO EXECUTIONS WITHOUT DUE PROCESS!
    NO TORTURE!
    NO LOSS OF HABEAS CORPUS!
    I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING RON PAUL SAYS NO TO!
    NO DRUG WAR!
    RON PAUL IN 2012!!!!!… OR SOONER!

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  3. Ben,

    “Yeah, the old recruiting tool argument. I see, so the only way to fight them is not to fight them. There isn’t a war in history that’s been won with that kind of backwards thinking.”

    Actually you are wrong in your statement…Without ever organizing a convetional army Gandhi liberated India from England, and stopped two wars. As well during WWII many Norwegians, Danes, and Bulgarian patriots resisted their Nazi overloards and internal puppets by such weapons as underground newspapers, labor slow-downs, general strikes, refusal of collaboration, special boycotts of German troops and quislings, and non cooperation with facist controls and efforts to restructure their societies’ institutions. Civil Disobedience, and nonviolent resistence acheives way more then you give it credit for. It takes, will, patience,and intellegence…All bombs and bullets have done for us is lead us into the next war, raise the bar on weapon power, and increase the death toll amongst both the trained and the innocent.

    There is no glory or honor or humanity in war.

    But for those who are for war…You can make a quick buck!

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    • Yep Machine, “underground resistance” was pretty powerful in WW-2 in particular in the western part of France. Guerilla. The Netherlands, Belgium, Demolishing population records, blowing up railways and bridges, all kinds of nasty sabotage, smuggling shot-down US/UK-airplane pilots to Spain and overseas, hiding jewish families in the back-country, liberating political prisoners, operating “illegal” printing presses&communication networks. Lots of traitors and blackmarketeers too. For one SS-Nazi-guy assassinated, the Germans lined up 100 innocent civilians and gunned them dead. It is pretty simple: the foreign occupying troops always feel alienated, mistrusted and they are under a budget/time line. Well, the “natives” are at home, they know every streetcorner and they have all the time in the world. I guess in Vietnam, and now in Iraq and Afghanistan it is no different. Eventually the occupiers will HAVE to go away. No matter the advanced weaponry or whatever they have.

      And all military strategists know: there is no defense against a suicide guerilla attack.

      What did it cost to make the trillion$$$ US-“empire” tremble? 30 airplane tickets and a discount on flying lessons because it was not necessarily to land.

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  4. Kucinich: We Are Losing Our Nation to Lies About the Necessity of War

    WASHINGTON – June 28 – Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today made the following statement on the floor of the House concerning an expected vote on a $33 billion supplemental war funding bill:

    “In a little more than a year the United States flew $12 billion in cash to Iraq, much of it in $100 bills, shrink wrapped and loaded onto pallets. Vanity Fair reported in 2004 that ‘at least $9 billion’ of the cash had ‘gone missing, unaccounted for.’ $9 billion.

    “Today, we learned that suitcases of $3 billion in cash have openly moved through the Kabul airport. One U.S. official quoted by the Wall Street Journal said, ‘A lot of this looks like our tax dollars being stolen.’ $3 billion. Consider this as the American people sweat out an extension of unemployment benefits.

    “Last week, the BBC reported that “the US military has been giving tens of millions of dollars to Afghan security firms who are funneling the money to warlords.” Add to that a corrupt Afghan government underwritten by the lives of our troops.

    “And now reports indicate that Congress is preparing to attach $10 billion in state education funding to a $33 billion spending bill to keep the war going.

    “Back home millions of Americans are out of work, losing their homes, losing their savings, their pensions, and their retirement security. We are losing our nation to lies about the necessity of war.

    “Bring our troops home. End the war. Secure our economy.”

    Credit goes to; http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2010/06/28-17

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  5. OBAMA’s Government can kill ANYONE including YOU without trial COVERTLY !!

    If you don’t like to listen to watch all the video, Listen to Dr. Ron Paul Statements at 04:58 min- 9:43 min.

    Thank you Dr. Paul. Now I know who to fear from and watch out for.
    RON PAUL 2012

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  6. Don’t let Obama and his alike sell you the ISM ISM ( terrorISM, fascISM, SocialISM, CommunISM) “Make Mine Freedom Movie” from 1948 make a lot of sense.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6H63CD7uQA

    Strongly suggested to BEN whom never uses his last name DOVER 😉

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  7. To Ben and Yvonne,

    I an Confused…What does any of your bantering regarding Ouakers, Puritans, Cowboys and Indians have to do with the war in Afghanistan???

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    • Machine you are not confused You hate Christians and are delighted at the possibility of disagreement between two Christians. Just say what you mean.
      btw did you check out the video that I posted on the abortion thread?

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      • Yvonne,

        I don’t understand your contempt towards me. Is it because we have different views and opinions on abortion? I think I know your answer. However…

        In regards to your comment: You’re sort of right…I like Christ, Ido not care for Christians…Christians tend to be too self righteous, always underminding and condeming others for not being inline with them…unlike Christ. However that in no way means that I “hate” Christians, or that I would take “delight” in their disagreements. I am not a man who finds pleasure in watching others “fall down”. Believe it or not I try everyday to practice treating others the way I want to be treated. I’m not always successful; sometimes I fall short of patience, kindness and understanding…But I do not hate.

        As far as the video..No, I haven’t been able to get onto the Abortion page…for some reason it doesn’t link up…Any idea as to why???

        Yes I am aware there was war in the early colonial days, involving Indians and English settlers…If you mean by Christians staying out of Afghanistan there would be no war…I couldn’t agree more. I’d further that by saying there are many paths towards eternal peace, but war is not one of them.

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        • Machine I don’t have contempt for you. I like debating with you. I think your posts are fun to read and I like responding to them.
          Thanks for the clarification about your religious views.
          I think we both agree that killing anyone, Indians or Muslims(or unborn children?), because they are ill behaved, is NOT christian.
          My point of course about the early settlers is in regards to the Fox media recruiting/propoganda techniques. Fox has revised history to make it appear as if being a Christian means fighting(literally) for religious freedom. It’s a mis representation .. That is why I brought up Quakers. .
          And you say that there are ”many paths towards eternal peace, but war is not one of them.”
          Well Machine, I could not agree more.

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        • Ah yes good ‘ol Fox…That Sean Hanity is a real douche bag.

          People like him, as well as O’Riley, Limbaugh, Grace, etc make it very difficult to quill any urge for violence.

          I have two lists of people that I’d like to have dinner with…one group is never seen again…Ho ho!!!

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    • Oh and Machine, there was war in the early colonial days which involved Indians and which many Christians groups including Quakers avoided.
      War in Afganistan…I think Christians should stay out.
      War with Indians….Quakers stayed out.
      What’s confusing?

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  8. The wars in the middle east are not legal under the Constitution. They were not declared wars as the Constitution says the Congress must do. Vietnam, Korea Persian Gulf War 1, Kosovo, etc, etc were not legal as they were undeclared wars.

    We are fighting illegal wars.

    Period. No interpretation. We need this country to wake up or we are doomed.

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  9. “It is also important that while our troops are in combat, our soldiers have what they need to do the best they can even if we disagree with why they are there.”

    Ron Paul always votes against funding the troops in the field, be it in Iraq or Afghanistan. Takes a lot of chutzpah for him to make a statement like that.

    Again, why did Ron Paul vote to send them there in the first place? It’s an undeclared war. Why did he vote to give the president almost limitless power to conduct war against anyone he (the president) wishes?

    Statement from a joint letter by Paul, Walter “Freedom Fries” Jones and known Marxists Bawney Fwank and Ron Wyden:

    “We should note that we are not proposing to reduce the support available to our brave men and women in uniform once a decision is made to engage in a conflict. While we have some differences about the current course in Afghanistan , none of us propose in any way to give our troops anything less than what they need.”

    Bold-faced lie.

    Ron Paul is such a fake.

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    • Ben the men and women who serve our nation are brave.
      They are the best of the best.
      So do you believe that their heroism and patriotism should be exploited and that they should be turned into pawns who are sent over seas to help protect the wealth of our leaders?
      They need to come home.

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      • Okay, Yvonne–if our troops are the best of the best, why do you support a candidate who makes sure they never get the equipment they need? Why do you vote for a candidate who lies and says that he would never–never!–vote not to fund troops already committed to the field.

        “So do you believe that their heroism and patriotism should be exploited and that they should be turned into pawns who are sent over seas to help protect the wealth of our leaders?”

        Uh…no. That’s a silly question. I’m for kicking bad guys’ asses.

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        • Our school superintendent(multi multi millionaire) holds our little ones hostage yearly in the same way government holds the soldiers hostage.
          If we want safe buses we have to pay more taxes.
          If we want smaller classes we have to pay more taxes.
          OH and …we do.
          Every year.
          Student enrollment goes down…taxes go up(for the safer buses).
          We never get the safer buses.
          Our school leaders get richer.
          That’s how the military operates.
          They have plenty of our tax dollars.
          Then with mafis style threats government leaders say ”if you want ‘protection’ for the soldiers you’ll fork over more cash”.
          You seem intelligent.
          You most know it’s a scam.

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        • You are entitled to your opinion about Ron Paul, but don’t be so obtuse to what the real problem is, which by the way, Ben, is that what our Government is/ has been doing in the Middle East is ILLEGAL…A clear violation of the U.S. Constituiton. Not just in the actual invasion and occupation, but also by detaining and torturing (enhanced interigation as they like to call it know), and slaughtering the innocent… http://www.democracynow.org/2010/4/12/this_is_how_these_soldiers_were
          …and the implication of Homeland Security, and ratifying our Civil Rights. Such violations and actions jeapordizes our liberties and will never bring about anything better. Many foolhardy Americans have bought in to the drama that we are hated becuse we are a democracy, giving up freedom for a false sense of security.

          No matter where you stand as an American…To continue supporting a government that violates the Constitution and dismantles our Civil Rights is dangerous.

          Such blatant violations should only be handled with firm opposition. So if you really want to kick some “bad guy ass”…Start with those in government who have underminded our Civil Rights and Violated the U.S. Constitution!

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      • Yvonne, you didn’t answer my question. So I’ll ask you again, if you love our brave troops so much, why do you vote for a man who leaves them stranded and then lies through his teeth, claiming that he would never deny equipment to troops already in the field? Seriously, it’s okay to criticize Ron Paul.

        Also, I have never seen Fox News advance a religious agenda. Ever.

        Also, armies cost money. So do schools. You can’t have either unless you’re willing to pay taxes for them. Neither has anything to do with holding anyone “hostage”. This is ridicluous, overblown rhetoric.

        The military is a legitimate, constitutional fuction of the federal government. Schools are a legitimate function of the local government.

        Maybe you have keep paying (year in and year out) for the military because the money allotted last year was spent. Ditto schools. I have no idea about the busses in your particular district. If you’re paying money for newer, safer busses and not getting them, maybe that’s something you need to take up with your city councilman. I don’t see what it has to do with the price of bannanas in China.

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        • Well Ben you must have missed some of the Fox episodes where they talk about the judeochristian religion so I did a word search on their site and I did a cut and paste.
          This is the first four out of like…100 results…..

          FOX NEWS EXERP
          That we don’t just die and rot, but have an eternal soul. Angels have been part of theology and folklore for centuries. Judeo -Christian scripture …… …

          FOX NEWS EXERP
          . A collective this pattern in her public policy advocacy nothing runs counter. Two Judeo Christian.

          FOX NEWS EXERP
          … were people who had to say it was a biblical faith it was the Judeo Christian worldview and it was on that foundation. …………………………………………

          FOX NEWS EXERPT
          .” After months of discussion, the Texas Board of Education last week approved placing greater emphasis on the Judeo -Christian influences of the nation’s Founding Fathers and teaching schoolchildren that
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          Did you catch that fourthe one Ben?
          Are you reading Fox delight in the fact that SCHOOLS are now TEACHING that JUDEO christianity is the religion of our FOUNDING fathers.
          Sounds like we were built on JUDEO christian beliefs…according to Fox.
          Are you a judeo christian Ben?
          What is a judeo christian Ben?
          If you think I made the word up why did it come up like 100 times on a Fox search site?

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    • You know Ben you are one to talk about history when you say Pennsylvania is the Quaker State. Rarely are such ludicrous statements made with such pride. Pennsylvania (my home state which i do note with great pride because of it being a commonwealth and home of Ron Paul who was from Pittsburgh) is the Keystone State and called this because of Philly serving as the capital of the Nation and holding the entire reckless country together in wide spread confusion. Quaker Colony i might buy but really “The Quaker State” get your facts straight, all the Pennsylvania Dutch including myself are offended by such a hasty comment made only to bash Yvonne.

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      • Troy is right. However the Quaker State does refer to Pennsylvania it is a very unofficial and not commonly used nickname. The two large groups the state is known for are the Amish and Pennsylvania Dutch ( they actually created the official globally know language of Pennsylvania Dutch). Pennsylvania is the Keystone state for its ability to hold the nation together like a keystone on an arch. Sort of ironic since the first tunnel which included a keystone and an arch in the U.S. was made in Lebanon County Pennsylvania.

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      • Troy, I know that Pennsylvania is known as the Keystone State. Both of my parents come from there and I visit a few times a year. It used to be written directly on the license plates.

        But here’s the thing, Troy. States can have more than one nickname! Connecticut is known as the Constitution State and the Nutmeg State. Nevada is the Silver State and the Battle-born State. Minnesota is the North Star State and the Land of 10,000 Lakes. Montana is the Treasure State and Big Sky Country.

        I think you got a real “gotcha” momet there. Yeah, you showed me! If I weren’t so ignorant, I’d known better.

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    • Ben you said it right on your last only in your sentence,
      “none of us propose in any way to give our troops anything less than what they need.”
      YES INDEED
      and what is that best thing our troops need?
      More wars?
      More physical and mental damage to our soldiers?
      More equipment to kill the innocent Afghanies?
      Or More cheer-leading as you expressing here?
      There is nothing best for our soldiers then HOME SWEET HOME. They have been there enough,
      This war is costly in many ways;
      This is becoming the longest war in US history – just past Vietnam.
      The cost of life of our soldiers.
      The money we spent in these grimy wars is enormous.
      Not only putting our soldiers life in danger but the danger to our economy,

      The only people whom benefit from these wars are DOD contractors company.

      It is pure in simple, It is not the troops that we don’t support, its the crippling wars and atrocities.

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    • Ron Paul is supporting our men and women but safe and sound. Unlike the Obama and Bush administration whom started the war and continues with blood bath on both side in Afghanistan.

      Ron Paul Supports our troop alive and well with their family at home.
      Not mentally Ill and physically killed.

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  10. The local schools where I live have lesson plans which are meant to teach our children that puritans(christians) were war mongers who killed the earth loving Indians in order to exploit their lands.
    Interestingly puritans are still around today.
    They are the modern day Quakers/Mennonites/Pennsylvania Dutchl . They typically don’t use electricity or oil or any other modern day resources that require land exploitation.
    They Oppose War.
    They live like the Indians who the schools accuse them of exploitin/killing.
    If you dig deep enough through old texts you will fing that the Pennsylvanian Quakers were very good friends with Indians while, at the same time. these Indian friends were warring with another ”type” of settler.
    Recently neocons have invented a religion. They callit it ”judeochristianity”.
    Puritans/Quakers/Mennonites/Real Christians won’t exploit and kill Middle Eastern peoples any more than they exploited or killed American Indians.
    On the one hand neocons falsely accuse puritans of being genocidal exploiters when even to this day they live without resources and oppose war.
    Then on the other hand they invent a religion( This time neocons are using the name of Jesus Christ to solicit to people to go over seas and exploit and kill….
    Wicked, wicked, wicked.

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    • The modern day Puritans are Congregationalists…and flaming liberals.

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      • No they are not.
        They are living like they did centuries ago.
        Quakers.
        Pennsylvania Dutch.
        Mennonites.
        They still reside in the original colonies where they landed.
        It’s just a fact.
        They oppose war.
        They don’t exploit resources.
        It’s a fact.

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        • Just saying over and over again that “it’s a fact” doesn’t make it so.

          Mennonites and Amish people aren’t living in the same “colonies” where they landed. They came later, when we were states. Also, the Puritans landed in New England, not in Pennsylvania or Ohio where the Amish and Mennonites live.

          The Puritans became Congregationialists. That’s why every New England town has a Congregational Church at its center.

          Also, Amish and Mennonites came from GERMANY. I don’t know where you got this idea, but it’s not born out of history.

          Quakers, for the most part, settled in Pennsylvania. That’s why it’s called the Quaker State. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t Quakers living elsewhere. In fact, I know some here in Massachusetts where I live. But they aren’t the modern day Puritans.

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        • Ben why was Pennsylvania named after William Penn who is defined as a PACIFIST QUAKER from the 1600s.
          Here:
          ====================================================As one of the earlier supporters of colonial unification, Penn wrote and urged for a Union of all the English colonies in what was to become the United States of America. The democratic principles that he set forth in the Pennsylvania Frame of Government served as an inspiration for the United States Constitution. As a pacifist Quaker, Penn considered the problems of war and peace deeply, and included a plan for a United States of Europe, “European Dyet, Parliament or Estates,” in his voluminous writings.

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        • Quakers were settling in Pennsylvania as early as the 1600s.
          Pennsylvania was named after William Penn…a pacifist quaker.
          Quakers are still there today.
          They live off the land for the most part, similar to the American Indians who they befriended centuries ago.
          They never exploited Indians.
          They never fought against Indians.
          These are the ”puritan/christians” who my school(run by neocons )teaches our children are were war mongering indian hating christian exploiters.
          Now neocons want christians to sign onto the ”judeochristian” religion led by Sara Palin and and Fox to fight overseas.
          It’s all fact.
          Period.

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        • Uh, yeah Yvonne. I’m well aware that William Penn was a Quaker. I’m also aware that Quakers are pacifists.

          None of which supports the contention that Quaker = Puritan. They are two different groups. One is not the modern incarnation of the other. I don’t understand the confusion.

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        • Ben the confusion stems from the school lesson plans.
          Ask a young child what a puritan is.
          He/she will most likely describe the early Quakers, their dress, their religion.
          Then ask a young child who killed the Indians.
          They will describe the same puritans.
          Depending on who their teacher was they may also spew out some diatribe about witch hunts and the murder of homosexuals.
          At least in my area where I live. That’s what they are taught.
          They are absolutely and positively talking about Quakers and Mennonites.
          They will describe them right down to the dress and customs.
          They call them puritans.
          Recently the sixth grade teachers in our district wanted to re-inact the first thanksgiving by having children dress as either pilgrims or indians.
          None of the children wanted to be piligrims because they were the ”mean people who killed the Indians”.
          Can you explain that?
          Now these same neocons who teach that garbage about the early christians want me to wear a ”judeochristian” badge and march off to war in defense of oil interests and the land of Israel???
          I vote no.

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        • Yvonne, it’s always entertaning to chat with you.

          Yes, I am sure that kids today are taught that European settlers were “bad, bad, bad”. They killed the Indians, and so forth. They taught me something similar when I was a kiddy two decades ago. No one wanted to be the cowboys when we played cowboys and Indians because cowboys are bad, and Indians are good.

          Schools today also teach that the first Thanksgiving was to thank the Indians for helping them! Ha! No, it was to thank God for His blessings. You can thank liberals for that distortion, not “neo-cons”.

          No one is asking you to wear a badge and there is no such religion as Judeo-Christian. Also, no one told you to go off to war for oil and Israel. You’re not making any sense whatsoever.

          In any case, I cannot stress this enough–MENNONITES ARE NOT PURITANS. They’re distantly related cousins in the Christian religion. Mennonites did not settle in the same place as Puritans. Neither did Quakers. They didn’t come from the same place and they didn’t come at the same time. The Puritan religion evolved over time to become the Congregational Church. Congregationalists are modern people who use modern conveniences. They are a very “liberal” religion, meaning that they embrace a lot of BS and try to pass it off as Christian. They have nothing whatsoever to do with Mennonites, the Amish, or Quakers.

          The Puritans founded Massachusetts Bay Colony at Boston in 1629. John Withrop and his people were the founders. They later overtook the smaller, weaker Plymouth Bay Colony (the Pilgrims). Neither the Puritans nor the Pilgrims were Mennonites. Or Quakers. Or Amish.

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        • Ben let me just re-state and simplify.
          The fact that Pennsylvia Dutch originated from the country of Germany does not prevent school districts from lumping them under the same heading as English protestants of the day.
          If the lesson plans are supposed to differentiate then the teachers are skipping over it.
          Puritans. That’s what they’re called. Just like the Quakers.
          This is what schools teach.
          Also, ask a fifth grader if he/she knows about the gold rush.
          See if they know anything about non-christians searching for gold and in the process warrring agaisnt Indians.
          In my neck of the woods they will say no. They no nothing about it.
          Is it in the lesson plan? Maybe. Is it taught? No.
          They will tell you that Indians were killed by puritan/christians.
          No mention of non-christian gold diggers.
          This war in the middle east is run by gold diggers.
          Real Christians need to stay out of it.

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        • Ben I’m pretty sure that you and I totally agree about the basics of Christianity.
          I have different political views.
          Most Americans seem to think that the republicans are the party that represents Christians and the Democrats oppose them.
          So we Christians are expected to sheepishly follow Republicans. When we became disillusioned they changed the name to conservative.
          But I think it’s all a scam.
          I believe both parties are one and the same and that they are playing good cop/bad cop(liberal/conservatives) with the public.
          Obviously you are not going to agree with me today but, maybe just consider the possibility that it is all a big conspiracy and that the government is manipulating us into asking them for the things they want to give us.
          Here’s what I think.
          I think the government controlled media needed to get a grip on the war protesters of the 60s.
          I think that after the protests began that the cia or some other government agency went around in vans to college campuses and handed out lsd while at the same time the media painted a fun picture of drugs and free sex.
          Then the government controlled media linked this sex revolution and this drug revolution which they created to the anti-war revolution.
          Naturally Christians were repulsed and dropped out of the revolution.
          It kept those on the right willing to fight.
          As for the left; these became the group who tend to approve of government hand outs.
          After the government completely collapses our monetary system the handouts will cease and these will be the ones who are poor enough to fight for a loaf of bread…you know the adage …. ”keep a man poor and he”ll fight for a loaf of bread”.
          It’s all instigated by a non-Christian government and the media.
          We will probably not agree on this but…that’s my view.

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  11. You point to the recently “discovered” ores in Afghanistan ProudTex? First of all the presence of these deposits have been known for at least 40-50 years, and certainly seen by the Russians in the 80s, but secondly these resources can never be developed without an adequate infrastructure in an enormous barren country 99% of the population hating the west and the east and being the most virtuoso guerilla force in the history of mankind.

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  12. Wow, Ron Paul always can speak with such intelligence and truth. When will the USA ake up and kick the existing politicians, except those like Ron Paul (which may be only 1 or 2) to the curb.

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  13. Agreed. Ease up on the foreign aid and blank checks to the military, we can build a wall along the Mexican border to make the Israel apartheid wall look like a speed bump.

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  14. The war has a momentum of its own which makes it very hard to stop. Shut the money off from the Pentagon and pull them home!

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  15. Ron, we need to declare our sovereignty under the Law of Nations. To say that the American people volunteered under duress, to accept the statutes and codes of the Corporate/Commercial UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and DISTRICT UNITED STATES. We don’t want the hypocrisy, lies about wanting peace, imperialist attitudes, and we don’t want them selling our land. No American of the Republic has title to land in allodium. It’s all in fee simple. How can you have a land of free holders, if they’re serfs?

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  16. Ron Paul 2012!!!

    Momentum is only BUILDING!!

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  17. Hey Ron tell me do you find any Muslim tolerable on American Soil ?

    Tell me Ron were the Barbary Wars legal wars ? There is no such thing as an innocent muslim life anymore than a rabid dog is a pet!

    Why do so many Muslims support you Ron ?

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  18. Enemies pretty much are the civilians. Militants, rebels, whatever you call them, people pretty much defending their land or seeking revenge. The terrorist angle has no chance of working no matter how hard they try. The beehive has been longed stirred and there is no end in sight. The more it goes on, the more families are lost, the more angry people joining in the fight in kicking out the U.S.

    That airstrike incident being a great example.

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  19. numba1stunna4269

    Ron Paul 2012!!!!!!!

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