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Oh Ben, you're so stupid. Your only line is "don't cut and run" and it shows how foolish you really are. Islamic jihadists won't stop attacking us until they get what they want. And what they want is what Ron Paul said in the Tea Party debates. They don't want to convert us, they want us to gtfo of the Middle East and let the natives run their own countries. That's the point of the wars, you dumb a.s.s.
Davie is confirmed for moron and ignorant. It's about time you kids stop believing in these fake a.s.s conspiricy theories. And start developing that brain of yours.
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It is the Ben's of the world that will leave the US smoldering like the burning Romans at the end:
1) Bankrupt due to empire building and maintenance ($9,000,000,000,000 deficit and counting, 45% directly attributable to Iraq/Afghan - the economically costliest wars in the history of warfare )
2) Bartering and groveling with non-warring nations (China, India, etc.) to forgive our massive debts and to revive our failing currency. Caesar's head coins were smelted and used to fill the cracks in the holes of the decrepid Roman highways and sanitary ditches. How did milk go from $2.99 to $5.99 in just 5 years? Inflation to the sky, anyone?
3) Broken in spirit as our population ages, foreclosures rise yearly, businesses lose employees and shut down, groups like MILITARY VETERANS, the disabled, the elderly-new poor are subject to cuts and cuts again to their benefits, medical care and pensions. When nearly 50% of your tax dollars are shuffled off to police actions and empire building with no end-plan, goals for total victory or cost limitations in place, the recipe for a vain defeat and its terrible aftermath are set in motion, like a huge snowball of debt riding the aftermath of overseas destruction. We are left much less safe and secure as a nation in every regard.
Could our Ben actually be Ben Stein, the corporate-military shill of all shills?
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These conflicts in the middle east are Black Holes in our collective American dream.
We the People can no longer afford "Nation Building" with these Muslim extremists.
We tried bombing them into the Stone Age, and only succeeded in advancing them 500 years into the Bronze Age.
Hamid and Ahmed Wali Karzai are reaping the massive profits of a 13th century poppy industry.
This conflict gives new meaning to the proverbial Black Heroin "TAR BABY" that we keep punching harder only to keep getting stuck more and more.
Afghanistan and Iraq will be America's Water Loo, and I could only Hope that Obama were half the man that Napoleon was.
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""We the People can no longer afford “Nation Building” with these Muslim extremists.""
Who asked you to do so? The Muslim extremists? Do you see any progress in building that nation? do you see skyscrapers are popping all over Afghanistan?
I also wonder which Muslim extremists are you talking about? The one that your CIA trained against Soviet Union back in the 80s? You've must enjoyed that RAMBO movies back then - didn't ya?
If you think that your money was spent on building that nation, I have a good Swiss watch to sell you just send me a money order and all your credit card number w/expiration date cause one/two credit card won't be enough to pay for this special and only Swiss built watch.
Bro - you need to wake up. Your government has been hijacked by special interest, foreign banks and a puppet Obama. Don't ask me who is the puppeteer? that is for you to find out.
Bro - 12 Billion are missing from Iraq. Another 8 billion are missing in Afghanistan. If we can't take care of our money how can you built a nation for crying out loud? and how can we blame other for our own failure? You've got to be kidding me.
I know it is always easy to blame Islamist, extremist bla bla bla... just like our current media - CNNMSNABCBS
The Arabs brought Bin Laden to Afghanistan to create extremism issue for that country and we brought Karzais to bring drug issue to that country. I wonder if it was bought to them by the same people? Think!
RON PAUL 2012
So I gather that your not Enamored by our "fearless leaders", gee, I can't understand why?
Let us Reason Together and
UN-elect the scoundrels out of office.
Welfare is not a State nor will it ever be.
Simply look at a list of U.S. MILITARY INTERVENTIONS
Just to name a few latest below:
SUDAN 1998 Missiles Attack on pharmaceutical plant alleged to be "terrorist" nerve gas plant.
AFGHANISTAN 1998 Missiles Attack on former CIA training camps used by Islamic fundamentalist groups alleged to have attacked embassies.
IRAQ 1998-? Bombing, Missiles Four days of intensive air strikes after weapons inspectors allege Iraqi obstructions.
YUGOSLAVIA 1999 Bombing, Missiles Heavy NATO air strikes after Serbia declines to withdraw from Kosovo. NATO occupation of Kosovo.
YEMEN 2000 Naval USS Cole, docked in Aden, bombed.
MACEDONIA 2001 Troops NATO forces deployed to move and disarm Albanian rebels.
UNITED STATES 2001 Jets, naval Reaction to hijacker attacks on New York, DC
AFGHANISTAN 2001-... Troops, bombing, missiles Massive U.S. mobilization to overthrow Taliban, hunt Al Qaeda fighters, install Karzai regime, and battle Taliban insurgency. More than 30,000 U.S. troops and numerous private security contractors carry our occupation.
YEMEN 2002 Missiles Predator drone missile attack on Al Qaeda, including a US citizen.
PHILIPPINES 2002 Troops, naval Training mission for Philippine military fighting Abu Sayyaf rebels evolves into combat missions in Sulu Archipelago, west of Mindanao.
COLOMBIA 2003 Troops US special forces sent to rebel zone to back up Colombian military protecting oil pipeline.
IRAQ 2003- ... Troops, naval, bombing, missiles Saddam regime toppled in Baghdad. More than 250,000 U.S. personnel participate in invasion. US and UK forces occupy country and battle Sunni and Shi'ite insurgencies. More than 160,000 troops and numerous private contractors carry out occupation and build large permanent bases.
LIBERIA 2003 Troops Brief involvement in peacekeeping force as rebels drove out leader.
HAITI 2004-05 Troops, naval Marines land after right-wing rebels oust elected President Aristide, who was advised to leave by Washington.
PAKISTAN 2005-... Missiles, bombing, covert operation CIA missile and air strikes and Special Forces raids on alleged Al Qaeda and Taliban refuge villages kill multiple civilians.
SOMALIA 2006-.. Missiles, naval, covert operation Special Forces advise Ethiopian invasion that topples Islamist government; AC-130 strikes and Cruise missile attacks against Islamist rebels; naval blockade against "pirates" and insurgents.
SYRIA 2008 Troops Special Forces in helicopter raid 5 miles from Iraq kill 8 Syrian civilians
Is this the way we, the people, want running our foreign policy??? No wonder there will be other people who dislike us not for "our freedom"(??) and "wealth" (??).
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Thanks for sharing this excellent links
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I like the one with the bread line the best...just like the Russians, this could bankrupt us!
The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq like Vietnam are the exempt cartel way of tricking warriors in to exterminating each other so there are less tough fighters on any so called side remaining to overthrow the tyrants to end the tyranny based global to local economy. Many of the battles/ambushes serve the purpose of horrific distraction/diversion while the cartel in disguise as prohibitionists collude with top enemy leaders to smuggle tons of heroin,cocaine,slaves weapons you name it. The people of America,Afghanistan,Iraq,Palestine,Mexico,South America,Saudi Arabia,Israel,Canada,and many more are being betrayed and tricked into conflict by global corporations/cartel owned by each countries leaders secretly,sometimes blatantly. War is a racket. Heed the words of General Smedley Butler!
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I entered before the deadline! Why isn't my entry up?
Yes, you are making a good point, but unfortunately we do not know how many civilians, women and kids US army and drones kill in Afghanistan and Pakistan up to now to estimate what it will be when Taliban is back to power.
Above all, there are so many, many places in the world including China, Russia etc. where human rights are violated but we are not that insain even thinking to invade those countries for that reason. The truth is that we financially cannot afford to police the world. It is not in our power to rebuild Afghanistan's culture and customs and they don't want us there.
What I see and feel is that our own country in in deep trouble and it is getting worse.
As to Ron Paul's record you mentioned, I will have to check.
Good luck, man.
Here's what you don't understand, Nitrodole. Muslim militants have been on the march since the Seventh century. This may come as news to Ronulans such as yourself who have convinced themselves somehow that we, the United States, started this fight. (It's always implied that because we started it, basically we deserve to be attacked).
Appeasing them does not work. Running away from the battlefield only convinces them that we are weak. They have no respect for weakness. They HATE weakness. No amount of running away will ever convince them that we are nice people who just want to be left alone. If they perceive us as nation that is not to be messed with, they will respect that. But they will never like us.
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Oh boy - ""Here’s what you don’t understand, Nitrodole. Muslim militants have been on the march since the Seventh century.""
Ben you sound like a fascist Christian whom trying to give us a paranoia.
This is exactly how Hitler started the wars and create war with almost every nation in Europe.
Are the Japaneses also becoming Islamic too? and is that why they are trying hard to get rid of one our military base. As matter of fact one of their president just resigned because he believed he was a failure to remove US military base from Japan.
Here is Ben Character in the animated movie who is trying to sell you the Ism Ism..
Nine years of the Superpower's Army fighting tribes in rural Afghanistan with NO gains tells me that real goals are NOT those our government tells us are.
Again and again, Taliban has nothing to do with 9/11 and never had.
For how much longer we are going to provoke and kill?
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Thanks Nitrodole. I love a good debate. Very difficult to have on this website, considering the fact-free and logic-free nature of its comments section. It's basically a long list of people screaming "Ron Paul 2012 woot-woot!", "Ron Paul, the only honest [sic] man in the whole world!" and "I want to sleep with Ron Paul!". Oh yeah, then someone throws in an occasional rant about Jews.
There have been gains. Such as toppling the Taliban, largely destroying al-Qaeda (within Afghanistan. They're still going strong in Pakistan).
But if you don't see progress, why is your first inclination to give up? I too am frustrated with the government's attitude toward the war in Afghanistan, but I want them to take it MORE seriously, to take the gloves off and come out swinging. I do not want them to cut and run. There is ample evidence that running away from terrorists only emboldens them. Beirut is exhibit A.
The Taliban did not attack us on 9/11, that's true. But what does that mean? That we should hand the country right back to them so that they can shoot more women for showing their faces? Let's say we take that course of action. Will you take any responsibility whatsoever for the attrocities committed after the Taliban return to power and kill anyone who ever wanted to live free of their theocratic oppression? I doubt it.
The September 14th, 2001 resolution (the one your hero, Ron Paul voted for) declares:
"(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, OR HARBORED SUCH ORGANIZATIONS OR PERSONS, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons."
That's where the Taliban comes in. They harbored al-Qaeda, and are thus an accomplice to the savage acts of September 11th.
No one on this site has ever been able to give me an explanation for why Ron Paul voted yes on this. Some people have denied that he did, as if I couldn't look up his voting record! Others claim that while he actually voted for this resolution, he really meant something else entirely! Something other than the text of the bill. Yeah, that's what happens when you exhibit blind devotion to a mortal man.
"""There have been gains. Such as toppling the Taliban, largely destroying al-Qaeda (within Afghanistan. They’re still going strong in Pakistan). """
I wonder which Taliban are you talking about? or which al-Qaeda?
Isn't that the one that Hollywood portrayed them as Freedom fighters with RAMBO movies?
Isn't that the same organization that you helped from 1980 - 1989?
Isn't that the same Ben laden that you kept in charge of the war against Soviet?
Isn't that the same Organization that you created in 80s from within Pakistan towards Afghanistan which now you’re trying to get rid of from Afghanistan towards Pakistan?
Do you remember when Taliban were running Afghanistan 1996 – 2001? who recognized them as the lawful government of Afghanistan? The answer is Pakistan and Saudis – the two best ally which we are currently supplying Pakistan with 8 billion so they can built their electricity damn and power plants?
How many of those so called the 911 attacker were from Afghanistan? None, They were either Saudis whom we have a very tight and smoochy relations with and Egyptian who annually receive 2 billion of our harder earned money.
Till the military industrial complex pleased with the money they earned for themselves , their kids, their grand kids, their great grand kids, Their great great....kids...etc....indefinitely.
How come no one has seriously challenged my point yet?
Osama bin Laden, identified as the mastermind behind Sept. 11, underscored the symbolic importance of the 1983 violence when he told ABC News in 1998 that U.S. soldiers were "paper tigers."
"The Marines fled after two explosions," he recalled.
"There is no question it was a major cause of 9/11," said former Navy Secretary John Lehman, a member of the Sept. 11 investigative commission quoted recently in Knight Ridder Newspapers. "We told the world that terrorism succeeds."
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Don't believe what the government is telling you. They are liars. Turn off your television and get your information from sites that are not owned by the US government. For you information US had been attacking the middle east pre 9/11. And how do you know who had done 9/11 if it wasn't investigated? So the americans are losing the war in Afghanistan and there's no al-quaeda attacks on american soil? Open your eyes, there's no consistency. We sure know that our government is BAd. Can't you see that? Our president is a LIAR, so was Bush. Obama broke all his promises even the ones that are easy to keep. And one last thing. Look at the map of the middle east, can't you see that Iraq is on the left side of Iran and that Afghanistan is on the right side? Coincidence??? Not! They planned to attack Iran from the beginning after they invade Iraq/ & Afghanistan. You can't prove that Afghans had done the attack on 9/11, you can't prove that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, and you can't prove that Iran is producing nuclear bombs. But it cool cause we are America we can do whatever, break the rules and invade countries for POWER and their resources. hmm this reminds me of Hitler. Get your news from here: presstv.ir , rt.com , and infowars.com .
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Don't believe what the government is telling you. They are liars. Turn off your television and get your information from sites that are not owned by the US government. For you information US had been attacking the middle east pre 9/11. And how do you know who had done 9/11 if it wasn't investigated? So the americans are losing the war in Afghanistan and there's no al-quaeda attacks on american soil? Open your eyes, there's no consistency. We sure know that our government is BAd. Can't you see that? Our president is a LIAR, so was Bush. Obama broke all his promises even the ones that are easy to keep. And one last thing. Look at the map of the middle east, can't you see that Iraq is on the left side of Iran and that Afghanistan is on the right side? Coincidence??? Not! They planned to attack Iran from the beginning right after they invade Iraq/ & Afghanistan. You can't prove that Afghans had done the attack on 9/11, you can't prove that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, and you can't prove that Iran is producing nuclear bombs. But it cool cause we are America we can do whatever, break the rules and invade countries for POWER and their resources. hmm this reminds me of Hitler. Get your news from here: presstv.ir , rt.com , and infowars.com .
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Bill Cooper,Alex Jones and over a thousand active duty and former military service veterans warned local,state,and federal workers constantly in the summer of 2001and before. Warnings which were sometimes laughed at,ignored,and met with hostility. After the attacks Bill Cooper and many others were murdered,arrested,and/or declared insane and put on no fly terrorist watch lists. All for rattling the chains of command in dedicated service to help.
Have you ever heard of Project For New American Century and its militaristic core "Rebuilding America's Defence", signed in 1999 (exactly a year before 9/11) by Jeb Bush, Wolfovitz, Rumsfeld, Libby etc...??? Below is citation ( http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
from page 63):
Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and
industrial policy will shape the pace and
content of transformation as much as the
requirements of current missions.
In general, to maintain American
military preeminence that is consistent with
the requirements of a strategy of American
global leadership, tomorrow’s U.S. armed
forces must meet three new missions:
• Global missile defenses. A network
against limited strikes, capable of
protecting the United States, its allies
and forward-deployed forces, must be
constructed. This must be a layered
system of land, sea, air and spacebased
• Control of space and cyberspace.
Much as control of the high seas – and
the protection of international
commerce – defined global powers in
the past, so will control of the new
“international commons” be a key to
world power in the future. An
America incapable of protecting its
interests or that of its allies in space
or the “infosphere” will find it
difficult to exert global political
• Pursuing a two-stage strategy for of
transforming conventional forces. In
exploiting the “revolution in military
affairs,” the Pentagon must be driven
by the enduring missions for U.S.
THEY CALL IT DEFENCE BUT TALK ABOUT WORLD DOMINATION.
Ben, are you the one who cares about America's world domination by means of bombing the world?
Hey Ben.........Maybe you should read a book and find out what motivates suicide bombers, It is or very presence on there holy land that make then come here to kill us, read Dieing to Win, 9/11 Commission Reports, read Osama Bil Laden open letter to the U.S. It is ignorant people like you who think you can achieve peace through a military occupation that make us less safe!
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Are you kidding me? lol
The political class is full of liars, war mongers and hypocrites.
ex.) John McCain
ex.) Barack Obama
ex.) Joe Biden
ex.) Hillary Clinton
ex.) Timothy Giethner
The list goes on. The U.S. Political class is full of people who are Pro-War.
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Yes, another 9/11 will happen. Because history has taught us that running away from Islamic jihadists convinces them of our good intentions and makes them leave us alone.
There isn't a lot of depth of thought going on over here at Ronpaul.com
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The U.S. government in collusion with global cartel cartel funded, armed,and encouraged Islamic Jihadis and still are. It's public record.
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The good old USA will go bankrupt because we don't know our real enemy.
The enemy of our wealth
The enemy of our liberties
The enemy of our freedom
Billions dollars are missing and we continue to have the same people in charge of our country. In charge of our freedom, in charge of our way of living.
RON PAUL NOW before our beloved country go missing.
Perhaps these will tell these pro-war morons in congress to get their stupid heads out of the sand.
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Perhaps their stupid head are berried by pallets of dollars that are gone missing - supposedly in Afghanistan/Iraq.
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I don't know a single person who's pro-war. Nope. Not one.
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Except you Ben! You're one of the remaining people that support these wars. & Ozzy Osbourne described these pro-war politicians real well in his song "War Pigs"! Which they really are. & Proud Tex your right! They support these wars with no end because many of them are getting money from Blackwater and Haliburton!
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