Radio Host: We have on Dr. Ron Paul, the Congressman from the great state of Texas. Dr. Paul, we are so happy to have you with us tonight, thank you for being with us.
Ron Paul: Great. I’m delighted to be with you.
Radio Host: Okay. I’m going to turn to the news before we talk about the Washington Senate race and some other issues. I want to ask you first: in the news, it looks you have to go back to work next Monday. Nancy Pelosi has, what, cracked her whip and said you have to come back to help her spend more money.
Ron Paul: Yeah. I wonder what she’s going to do with all her friends who are overseas on junkets. I wonder what they’re going to do. My prediction is that the turnout is going to be light. But, you know, it’s an emergency, they need to spend more money; another stimulus package. So, 10, 20, 30 billion dollars; it’s pretty important to spend money you don’t have. So I guess they think it’s pretty important, but it goes to show how inept the whole system is, you know. They don’t know what they’re doing, and they don’t do what they should be doing when we’re there. Then we go home and then they say, “Oh now it’s an emergency, we got to spend more money.” And all that will do is make things worse. So it’s just digging a bigger hole for us.
Radio Host: And another issue that’s been kind of making the rounds in the news this week is what we’re seeing is it looks as though some states have found a loophole in Obamacare that is going to let them use their Medicaid money for funding abortions at taxpayers’ expense, even though Speaker Pelosi and President Obama gave us their word, they just promised up and down that that wasn’t going to happen.
Ron Paul: Yeah, and they knew this would happen, but all the funds in any kind of medical program that you put in … it comes up when we do the foreign aid. They send the foreign aid and then they’ll pass the Hyde Amendment, which I support, but I know it doesn’t do any good. Because they’ll send the money and say, “Don’t use it for abortion, but you can use it for birth control pills.” So they take the money and use it for birth control pills or something else, and then they take the money from the birth control pills to do the abortions. And this is similar to that; they have the funds and they say, “Oh, these are not direct funds”, but they’ll shift funds around and justify it. The government just shouldn’t be in the business, then we wouldn’t have to fight these battles.
Radio Host: Dr. Paul, what’s going to be at the top of your agenda when you get back into session in September, if you ever get to leave after Monday?
Ron Paul: Ha ha ha, well, it will be my same projects. And the two that I’ve worked on the most over the years have been to work toward a sound monetary system, because it’s so important for our economy, and also to call attention to our foreign policy that’s bogging us down with all the things that we’re doing. I constantly work on that. But overall, the main issue is the issue of personal liberty. You know, if we protected personal liberty and followed our Constitution, then the economic problems and the foreign policy would fall in place. We just wouldn’t have this tragedy, because if the guidelines we were given many years ago had been followed, we would not have this mess that we have today.
Radio Host: Okay. And that’s a natural point from me to bring in our other guest, Clint Didier, from Washington State running for U.S. State Senate. Dr. Paul, you have not only personally endorsed Clint in his run for the Senate above a field of almost 15 candidates, but the Liberty PAC has also endorsed him. Clint, I know that you wanted to say a couple of words to Ron Paul right off the top here.
Clint Didier: Yes, first of all I’d like to say, Dr. Paul, thank you so much for your efforts to our country; 30 years of fighting the fight. And I can’t state my love for you, my friend, for doing what you have done for our country. And I hear your voice on sound monetary system, and I agree with you wholeheartedly on that. We’ve got a bunch of thieves out there that are just spending us into oblivion. And then with our foreign policy, I’m hearing about the army personnel; the morale is down, we’ve got our leadership … the people are leaving the military. We’re over there in Afghanistan right now, there’s no clear cut plan for victory. We’ve just had one of the bloodiest months we’ve ever had, it’s getting close to being as long as Vietnam and I don’t understand why we’re still there. We should be pulling our troops back, come back home. We’re not going to resolve this conflict that’s being going on before America was ever established as a country. And, again, I got to tell you, you’re hitting the nail on the head there. Our Constitution is our game plan given to us by our founders, and we’re not following it any more. And we got to get back to looking into this game plan, and seeing our Constitution and seeing what was supposed to happen. Our founding fathers, George Washington and Jefferson, both, warned us about foreign entanglements and “friends of liberty everywhere, but guardians of ours alone”. We have to get back to listening to our founding fathers and what they intended this country to be.
Radio Host: Dr. Paul?
Ron Paul: Yes. Well, I find it a bit of a shame that the Republican leadership isn’t taking the position that you take, Clint, because I think that the American people are with what you have been just saying. But I got a notice just recently from our Republican leadership, and it said, “While on your break, why don’t you start hitting harder against Obama for not spending enough money and not doing enough overseas and saying that he’s too weak”, and this sort of thing. And I said, “Well, that’s not a very conservative constitutional position.” And the Republicans don’t have to be the endless warmongers because traditionally in the past the Republicans were the ones who tried to end wars. Just think about when Eisenhower was elected in 1952 to end the Korean War. And then Nixon was essentially elected because they were tired of the Democrats with the Vietnam War. So, for us to take this war and the negative aspects of the war and say, “It’s our war, our war. We want a bigger war”, is poor politics. And so I am delighted you’re running, and I’ll predict that it’s going to do you well, especially in your area. I think if I had to guess, the people in your area and your state are not gung ho over more war and spreading this war. So I’m delighted that you’ve been speaking out on this issue.
Radio Host: I’m sorry, I wanted to just ask you; I understand that when Clint filled out your Candidate Evaluation Form, that he was the only candidate or one of the few candidates that actually had a 100% rating.
Ron Paul: Yeah, you know, I wish politics was easy to be perfect and everybody would be at a 100% rating. And we’ve helped people, you can’t say, “Well, we have to wait until we run into the Clints of the world and get a hundred so that we can endorse him.” So we have endorsed some that have not been quite as good, but when you evaluate the rates and the differences and all, yes we have endorsed others. But it is delightful to have somebody to a 100%. We’ve had a couple of others. As a matter of fact, we had some victories here just yesterday on our Congressional races. So this is very, very good. Now, I don’t have those numbers in front of me, but maybe he’s the one that that did the 100% on the Senate race. You know, maybe we have some on the House races. But anyway, you can’t get much better than that, so we were delighted that we’ve endorsed Clint. And the ones that won yesterday, and that happened, I think, in Nevada as well, some of our Tea Party type candidates might not even be well known a month or two before the election, but then in three weeks sometimes the whole thing gets reversed. So this is an amazing political climate that we have today. So I’m just very optimistic about what you might be able to do in this election.
Radio Host: Well, that certainly speaks to the power of the grassroots organizing which you have been involved in with the Campaign for Liberty for years. You know, Dr. Paul, you do create a kind of dilemma for some of us. I know when people talk about term limits, your name comes up as the example of why there should not be term limits, because we would lose you. Clint, I know that you have some questions for Dr. Paul.
Clint Didier: Yes. Well, the first question I got is this: last year we passed the Move Act to ensure that our military personal are active overseas and have that sort of ability to vote. Now I understand that our attorney General, Eric Holder, is circumventing this and going behind the states back and talking to them and telling them to figure out ways in which the ballets won’t get sent out to our active military personnel. Can you comment on that?
Ron Paul: Well, I can comment only to make the point that is indeed something we ought to be concerned about and we ought to do what we can, we ought to call it to the attention of the American public. But unfortunately, you know, they pull their shenanigans, and I think they’ve done it in the past, too. In some of these tight races, all of a sudden there are tremendous surprises about these absentee military votes. But I wouldn’t put anything past the opposition on what they would do. But the more we can expose them, and that’s everybody’s job, whether we’re candidates or members of Congress … because this is the kind of thing that the American people are sick and tired of. And when they hear it, they realize it’s just another thing they’re doing to us. I hope we can make sure that we do our very best to try to stop the shenanigans that they’re involved in.
Radio Host: I want to remind everyone that you are listening to Second Opinion on Blog Talk Radio, this is a live webcast with our special guests, Dr. Ron Paul, member of Congress from the state of Texas, and Clint Didier, who is the United States Senate candidate from Washington State. Clint?
Clint Didier: Yes. Dr. Paul, another thing here is what’s going on down there in Arizona? Obviously we’ve got people back there that are not reading their Constitution because Article 4, Section 4 reads, “The United States shall guarantee every State in this Union a Republic form of government and shall protect each of them against invasion.” We’ve got an invasion happening down there right now in Arizona. We’re not reading our Constitution; Barack Obama says it’s unconstitutional for Arizona to pass this law, and yet we have the 10th amendment that states clearly that state rights supersede the federal government. Do we have an incompetent leader here?
Ron Paul: I’ll tell you what, I always try to look on the positive side, and in a way we can say that this is good news because, like you said, people are reading the Constitution, people are waking up and they’re starting to realize what’s going on. I mean, 4, 5, 6, 10 years ago, nobody talked like this, nobody cared about the 10th amendment. The few of us would mention it and nobody cared. But now I think they’re understanding it, they understand the responsibility of the federal government. The federal government does things they’re not supposed to be doing. The things they are supposed to be doing, they ignore. And these borders are one typical example of this. And, you know, people now actually talk about nullification and interposition and they used to be able to just totally destroy a person that would talk like that. But now it’s getting to be commonplace to hear about this.
But what I think is going to happen because of this breakdown of the federal government responding to what they’re doing and the things they’re responsible for, is I think we’re on the verge of total bankruptcy; printing money won’t solve the problem and pretty soon the people are just going to ignore the federal government and in some ways that’s good but it will precipitate a greater need for us to sit down and make sure that the relationship between the states and the federal government are better defined and better understood. So I’m hoping some good will come out of this, even though I think there is a horrible mess on the borders. Of course, I live in a border state, we see our hospitals and our schools going bankrupt because of these problem and the drug violence. There is just so much with what’s going on there. The drug war really complicates the borders. And like you point out, that’s the federal government’s responsibility and they’re not doing anything about it. But it’s a good political issue.
Radio Host: Dr. Paul, I have a question for you and then I’m going to let Clint have the final question.
Ron Paul: Okay.
Radio Host: I know that when you and Clint met back in Washington DC, one of the things that you talked about was farm subsidies. And, obviously, Clint is a farmer so he has certain expertise on this. Now he has, in the past, received some minor funds from subsidy programs, most of which was indeed settlement claims from his crop insurance. You know, he has talked about abolishing the farm subsidies and he is actually taking a lot of heat for ‘flip-flopping’, or whatever you want to call it, on this. I mean, is this a noble cause?
Ron Paul: There are a couple of ways of looking at it. You know, some people break the law and take farm subsidies that they didn’t qualify for, or they abused the insurance program. If you didn’t break the law and you took the money, some hardcore libertarian might say, “Nope, you should have never done that,” some others might say, “If he didn’t break the law, he didn’t do anything wrong.” But how many of us could ever say that we never participated in a government-run program? I mean, we’ve participated in government highways and government post offices endlessly.
You know, when I left the military, I was not too much into politics, but they gave me the opportunity to get some educational funds afterwards, so I applied for those. There are some who might say, “Oh no, you should have never done that.” But I don’t lie awake at night feeling guilty about that. I mean, I didn’t lie, I didn’t take money that wasn’t coming from under the law. Even though, now that I understand these issues, I would never vote for these programs. So there is a difference. I think people who are doing that are picking at it, and as long as people are upfront and, you know, if somebody took funds and lied about it or defrauded somebody, that’s different. “Yeah, I took them, that’s the way it is, but I don’t believe in the programs and I won’t vote for them and live with the consequences.”
Radio Host: Do we have any hope of abolishing or phasing out or at least reducing some of those farm subsidies?
Ron Paul: Yeah, it might be out of necessity when we’re totally bankrupt and they won’t be able to do it. But that also means that Social Security checks might bounce. I mean, how many of our families get involved with government programs. I think the farm lobby is too powerful, they’re not going to next month or next year, even if Republicans take over, I don’t think they’re going to vote and say, “Well, let’s cut these farm subsidies”. I think they might tinker with them, but those are probably going to go when the bankruptcy comes.
Radio Host: Okay, Clint?
Clint Didier: Well, one thing about that before I ask my last question is this: I would like to see the separation between the farm subsidies and the food stamps, child nutrition, and temporary assistance for needy families. In 2002, I sat on the FSA committee here in the state of Washington, and that was my first question that I asked at that meeting. And at that time of a 180 billion dollars, 72% goes to food stamps, child nutrition and temporary assistance for needy families. That needs to be moved over to HHS. And the 11% that goes to the farmers needs to be put there, and that way it’s not the biggest bill that goes before the president every year, because this is putting a very bad image on the American farmer. Everybody things that the American farmer is getting all this money, he not, he’s getting 11%.
Ron Paul: Right. And I remember for the first time that dawned on me. I didn’t know about that before I went to Congress and when we had the first bill come up and we had food stamps in the farm bill, and I thought, “How in the world did this happen?”. But I guess that was supposed to stimulate farming or something like that. Like if we didn’t have that program, those people wouldn’t be eating. So no, I would agree if that that would be one adjustment that would be worthwhile making because it is deception… and the other thing is if you look at all the farm subsidies … I’ve had a farm district for a long time and I always tell my farmers I don’t support them. I asked, “How many of you guys have gotten rich off farm subsidies?” Oh, none of them, “We need them, we need them”. You know, a lot of big corporations get a lot of farm subsidies out of that percentage that they get. And they said, “Oh, yea yea”. And I was upfront with them, I told them I don’t support farm subsidies. But, you know, farmers are hardworking people, they like the second amendment, they like independence and self-reliance and they’re mostly right-to-life people. So they’re conservative people. And I don’t think anybody loses. My son is running in Kentucky right now for the Senate and he just tells them flat out that he’s not for farm subsidies, and he’s still doing okay in the polls. So I think that hopefully the two of you will be working together next year.
Clint Didier: My last question is, when I get to DC as a U.S. senator from the state of Washington, what do you want to work on together as the first senator and House member to get together and work on? What would you suggest should be the first thing you and I should try to … ?
Ron Paul: Well, if we did, I’d pick the subjects that I’m interested in, which has been the economic and monetary policy, as well as the foreign policy. But you need to pick something that you’re really excited about and study it in detail. But those are important issues, you know, the whole idea of economic policy and monetary policy as well as the foreign policy. I just think that foreign policy has led us down the road so often over the many, many years. I remember Ronald Reagan once told me when the two of us were flying together in his helicopter and we were talking about the gold standard, and he said something that I thought was rather remarkable. He said that any great country that has gotten off the gold standard never remained great. And I thought that was rather perceptive. And, of course, there are a lot of countries now; the whole world is off the gold standard and that’s why I think we’re facing these worldwide problems because we allow all governments, and especially ours, to print money at will and that certainly has a major economic impact. So that would be a great issue for us to work on. I know you’re real strong on that issue.
Clint Didier: Yes sir, I am. And I’ll tell you what? I look forward to working with your son in the Senate. I think he and I are a lot likeminded here. I see earlier on when he was talking about the Department of Education, this is where the indoctrination of our children is happening. This Department of Education in DC has to be eliminated; it’s doing nothing for our educational process. We were ranked 7th when Reagan was president, and now we’re 33rd in the world. How can you say it’s doing us any justice?
Ron Paul: Yeah, that’s for sure. Clint, when is the primary going to be, what’s the date?
Radio Host: The primary is on August 17th. And as you already know, we have a top two primary, Dr. Paul. The polls show very clearly that there is a head to head match against Patty Murray, and Clint leads Patty Murray 48 to 45. If we can just get through this primary, we call them jungle-top-two primary.
Ron Paul: Right. Okay, well, work hard and I encourage all of your supporters to get out and do it, because in the past when I had tough races we had to have door knocking, phone calls. And even if the opposition has more money, you can still beat them. And the whole momentum is on our side and your type of candidacy. So I wish you well.
Radio Host: Dr. Paul, thank you so much joining us tonight, we appreciate your time. I know everyone was very pleased that you were able to join us here all the way across the country to Washington State. So thank you for joining us.
Ron Paul: Great. Very good, thank you.
Clint Didier: Thank you, Dr. Paul.
Ron Paul: Okay, Clint, good luck.