Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots: Stop Your Demagogy About The NYC Mosque!




Congressman Ron Paul today released the following statement on the controversy concerning the construction of an Islamic Center and Mosque in New York City:

Is the controversy over building a mosque near ground zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery?

It has been said, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.” Are we not overly preoccupied with this controversy, now being used in various ways by grandstanding politicians? It looks to me like the politicians are “fiddling while the economy burns.”

The debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque.

Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be “sensitive” requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from “ground zero.”

Just think of what might (not) have happened if the whole issue had been ignored and the national debate stuck with war, peace, and prosperity. There certainly would have been a lot less emotionalism on both sides. The fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate, raises the question of just why and driven by whom?

In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.

They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. A select quote from soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq expressing concern over the mosque is pure propaganda and an affront to their bravery and sacrifice.

The claim is that we are in the Middle East to protect our liberties is misleading. To continue this charade, millions of Muslims are indicted and we are obligated to rescue them from their religious and political leaders. And, we’re supposed to believe that abusing our liberties here at home and pursuing unconstitutional wars overseas will solve our problems.

The nineteen suicide bombers didn’t come from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iran. Fifteen came from our ally Saudi Arabia, a country that harbors strong American resentment, yet we invade and occupy Iraq where no al Qaeda existed prior to 9/11.

Many fellow conservatives say they understand the property rights and 1st Amendment issues and don’t want a legal ban on building the mosque. They just want everybody to be “sensitive” and force, through public pressure, cancellation of the mosque construction.

This sentiment seems to confirm that Islam itself is to be made the issue, and radical religious Islamic views were the only reasons for 9/11. If it became known that 9/11 resulted in part from a desire to retaliate against what many Muslims saw as American aggression and occupation, the need to demonize Islam would be difficult if not impossible.

There is no doubt that a small portion of radical, angry Islamists do want to kill us but the question remains, what exactly motivates this hatred?

If Islam is further discredited by making the building of the mosque the issue, then the false justification for our wars in the Middle East will continue to be acceptable.

The justification to ban the mosque is no more rational than banning a soccer field in the same place because all the suicide bombers loved to play soccer.

Conservatives are once again, unfortunately, failing to defend private property rights, a policy we claim to cherish. In addition conservatives missed a chance to challenge the hypocrisy of the left which now claims they defend property rights of Muslims, yet rarely if ever, the property rights of American private businesses.

Defending the controversial use of property should be no more difficult than defending the 1st Amendment principle of defending controversial speech. But many conservatives and liberals do not want to diminish the hatred for Islam–the driving emotion that keeps us in the wars in the Middle East and Central Asia.

It is repeatedly said that 64% of the people, after listening to the political demagogues, don’t want the mosque to be built. What would we do if 75% of the people insist that no more Catholic churches be built in New York City? The point being is that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as well as individual dictators. Statistics of support is irrelevant when it comes to the purpose of government in a free society—protecting liberty.

The outcry over the building of the mosque, near ground zero, implies that Islam alone was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to those who are condemning the building of the mosque, the nineteen suicide terrorists on 9/11 spoke for all Muslims. This is like blaming all Christians for the wars of aggression and occupation because some Christians supported the neo-conservatives’ aggressive wars.

The House Speaker is now treading on a slippery slope by demanding a Congressional investigation to find out just who is funding the mosque—a bold rejection of property rights, 1st Amendment rights, and the Rule of Law—in order to look tough against Islam.

This is all about hate and Islamaphobia.

We now have an epidemic of “sunshine patriots” on both the right and the left who are all for freedom, as long as there’s no controversy and nobody is offended.

Political demagoguery rules when truth and liberty are ignored.



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  1. How kann he said that is Al-Qaida responseble for the 9-11.
    Everybody know it was an inside job.
    Is mister Paul a puppie too?????????

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  2. Concerned at the Prejudice Shown

    If I read the controversy correctly, a parallel would be to disallow any Christian churches or community centers in Oklahoma City because a Christian, Timothy McVey, bombed the federal building there.

    It is not often that I agree with Ron Paul -- I'm not sure I ever have in past, but in this case, I agree with him. Let's get off the mosque issue and deal with real problems.

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  3. mohammed ali farha

    Is your God different than mine?
    My faith believes in the Old Testament, New Testament, and the Quran.
    Jesus who fast 40 days and 40 nights; meaning that he did not eat or drink anything so he could show his faith and love for God.
    Ramadan is similar to the fast of Jesus/Isa but it comes from the revealing of the Quran to the Islamic faith.

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  4. Obama speaks out in defense of building the mosque and Pelosi sounds off about investigating those against building it. The American people are accused of islamaphobia, hate, etc. Where is Obama and Pelosi in defense of Christians who are regularly having their freedom to freely exercise their religion trampled on by activist judges, anti-theists, and the liberal machine in their crusade to destroy cross-shaped monuments, ten commandments statues, etc.? There is religious persecution out there, but the primary victim isn't Islam. There's really nothing that can be done to stop the construction if the property owner and city regulations allow it. You can be outraged and believe that the radical muslims are building a monument to a victory if you wish, but really, I think there are more important issues that should be getting this attention. Afterall, do you really think the ground is hallowed and sacred? It wasn't a temple, church, etc that was destroyed there, it was a -world trade center-, a structure of greed and world government. Before you say it, no, the fact that a lot of people died there doesn't make it sacred or hallowed ground either, unless you believe in mysticism and the occult, and if you do, all the earth is hallowed by now, as blood has been spilled everywhere. Thank you.

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  5. We're always being sensitive to anything that might offend Islam. Whenever Islam offends us we fight with each other over whether or not we have the RIGHT to be offended. We all have the right to be offended, just as non-Muslims offend each other every day. Muslims can claim that anything we do is offensive, but when we say ENOUGH and turn the coin we are called bigots, racists, ignorant, radical, or just plain dumb.

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  6. Orthodox Christian

    I wonder if Dr. Paul and many of the strict property rights adherents will change there thinking now that the Mosque/Commuity Center may receive public funding?
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67Q5BW20100827

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    • Well, that depends. If you are proposing that no religious based organization receive such assistance, that's one thing. If you're proposing that no Islamic organization receives assistance, that's something else. Here, too, the First Amendment's protection of the free exercise of religion, and the Fourteenth Amendment's requirement of equal protection of the law, apply.

      On the other hand, prohibiting all religious based organizations from receiving such aid would arguably satisfy the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. And we can start by eliminating school vouchers!

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      • Orthodox Christian

        Etaoin,
        I haven't proposed anything. I found the article interesting and merely posed a question. Historically, it's not unfounded for government to fund religious structures.

        Our first Captial building was based in a Christian Church.

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  7. Where is the outcry from Muslim leaders when terror attacks are perpetrated against English speaking countries or people? Many of you say that Al Qaeda and other terror groups are a very small minority, and that the rest of Islam is peace loving and completely against violence. I've heard the same things come out of the lips of countless Muslims here in America, and when interviewed elsewhere, but when the "minorities" kill people, Islamic leaders are completely silent on the fact, and the people of Islamic countries dance in the street. They don't do it publicly here in America, of course, because public opinion would quickly sway against them. These people aren't stupid, on the whole. They know what kind of lip service to provide the reporters. I have a really hard time believing that people making the claim that Islam really is a tolerant and peaceful religion, have ever read the Koran. If Islam wants to make a believer out of me, I need to see some action instead of just words. Until then, I'll just believe what I see.

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    • To Landon, posting on August 27, 2010 at 5:21 pm:

      Well, let's see. It's been widely reported that the people building Cordoba House have repeatedly denounced the 9/11 attacks, and terrorism in general. In addition, a quick Yahoo search found the following: "Muslim Condemnations of 9/11" - http://islam.about.com/cs/currentevents/a/9_11statements.htm.

      If you haven't "heard" Muslim leaders Islamic leaders condemning Al-Queda, it's because you aren't listening!

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    • Why was his post hidden? To deny what the Quran teaches is being foolish. Paul, don't preach to me about what the amendments say when the amendments are controlled by a lefist aclu and socialist dominated congress and house. You can sound logical but miss the target. Islam is a political tool to bound people to a radical ideology of Mohammad. One fellow on the board said our God is the same. No HE's not. My God has a Son named Jesus. Allah is not my God. I thought Paul was against abortion. Is that sensitive Paul. We conservatives alloed that issue to become a bon issue. Look where it got the unborn child. In the hands of leftist atheist and other unrepentant sinners. InThe womb of the Arab man and woman was born a religious zealot with the murderous intent to force the world into submission, and his legasy still enslaves the minds and soulls of millions. Don't tell me about fighying for freedom when the muslims allows the imans to rule over their families without impunity. Look at the facts not our idealogy. It's not Islamophobia that
      s the problem. It's the reality of what they allow in their countries...leaders and Imans....and the lack of humane justice. Yopu want win elections Paul. Then talk straight and quit lecturing about the idealogies of amendments and the constituion. We have already lost that war. The ACLU rules this nation thru courts and judges. We all lost when we did not stop the killing of the unborn child. good day...

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  8. Just curious if any other religion has built a similar center in Yemen or Syria or how about two blocks from the stone in Mecca?? If so, do they receive love, respect and peace from Muslims??

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  9. This is a quote from Pamela Geller, the chief organizer of the anti-mosque rally and a frequent commentator on Fox News regarding Muslims:

    "...it’s the Muslims who are dragging the rest of the world with them, in their genocidal dreams of annihilating goodness, creativity, production, inventiveness, benevolence, charity, medicine, technology, and all of the gifts of the Jews. Our goodness makes them ill." - Pamela Geller

    If there's any doubt regarding the role of old school hatred and bigotry in this fiasco, let's put that doubt to rest. Sean Hannity had a former-terrorist-turned-Christian on his program a few days ago detailing how all Muslims are terrorists and how there's no such thing as a moderate.

    I applaud Ron Paul maintaining his pattern of standing by his principles and his morality, a trait that is woefully rare amongst Republicans.

    As for those criticizing him, it seems the Fox-dependent have a general case of failure to understand spoken or written english. Nowhere has Ron Paul said he supports the mosque or the people building it - he's been clear that the building of this structure isn't relevant to him. What he opposes is the hate fest supported by politicians aimed at tarring all Muslims and Islam while opposing this structure.

    Ron Paul and Mayor Michael Bloomberg are about the only two people who've intelligently and morally taken precisely the correct position that any American leader should take on this matter. It is not the place of a political leader to dwell on the emotional and aesthetic haggling over the impact of a privately built structure on private property that seeks to break no laws.

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  10. Verbotene Gedanken

    Islam is not a religion. No real religion insists that those outside the religion be governed by their Religious Law (Sharia).

    Don't take anyone's word for it. Read the Koran, read the works of those who've lived and fled Islam. Islam is, at it's heart, Force not Love.

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    • fred the protectionist

      You make a common mistake in assuming all religions are suppose to be "good things". Islam is a religion, all deism is by default a religion.

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  11. SIOA (Stop Islamazation of America) is a hate group and should be exposed for creating all this hysteria over this mosque. They are to muslims what the KKK are to black people, and they are the ones who have been running ads, spreading disinformation and staging protests over this center.

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  12. While many of your points made me stop and think about the issue, comparing the building of a soccer field missed the mark. The Muslim terrorists didn't kill 3000 Americans in the name of soccer, they did so in the name of Allah, thereby making their attack a religious reason. I agree completely that the group has a right to build there. Property rights, the Constitution...both should be upheld. However, I see nothing wrong with expressing the view that it is insensitive to build a mosque in this location. It seems everyday there is a new story out where this someone changed a tv show or cartoon or news story or march or gathering because it was insensitive to Muslims. We have to have footbaths available, service dogs can't ride in taxis if a Muslim is driving, and on and on. I see nothing wrong in turning the tables and demanding that this group be sensitive to the tragedy that was committed at this site in the name of their Allah. The groups absolute refusal to even entertain the idea of moving leaves more questions than answers.

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  13. Sorry Ron, you just lost a supporter. If you can't understand the rationale (no, it's not racism) behind opposing the location of the mosque, then I'll have to direct my support elsewhere.

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  14. Your mention of Speaker Pelosi's call for an investigation of "funding for the mosque" was in error. She actually wants an investigation of funding for the TV spots against the location of the mosque.

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  15. This is partly a property rights issue, but if we look at it only as a property rights issue, we are missing some very important points.

    The imam of the mosque in question is not a peaceful proponent of bridge building and tolerance. First of all, Islam itself is not about bridge building and tolerance; it is about conquest, overt or covert, either is OK and according to the Koran it is acceptable to lie to infidels in order to further the cause of Islam.

    Second, have you read/heard quotes from this guy? He says one thing to the people and officials of N.Y.C. and then accuses the US of being terrorists because we killed some civilians in the process of retaliation for Pearl Harbor, equating that event to two airplanes flying into the Twin Towers and annihilating 3000 innocent people who were minding their own business and going about their jobs in peace time. Duh.

    It is apparently a custom (at least for radical jihadist Muslims) to erect a monument to their victory at the site of a successful conquest. They are sly and they are crafty. They don’t come right out and tell you that is what they are doing, but their own people know full well, and they are gloating. They are laughing at us because they are twisting our pious concern for “property rights” to support their bid to build a structure intended to humiliate us. These people do not share our value system! Get it?

    Which is more important, honoring property rights for someone out to kill you, or preserving your country’s honor and everything your country stands for and honoring the innocent 9/11 victims? Dialectically it may be a difficult question, but I know what my answer is.

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    • The choice you posit

      "Which is more important, honoring property rights for someone out to kill you, or preserving your country’s honor and everything your country stands for and honoring the innocent 9/11 victims? Dialectically it may be a difficult question, but I know what my answer is."

      is a false choice. By honoring property rights, and more importantly, religious freedom, we DO preserve our country's honor and everything it stands for. Your suspicions about the motives of Muslims are just that. Suspicion. Even if we accepted your suspicion as fact, which I do not, I would have a problem with this post. You seem to be saying that since "they" do not share our value system, that we should abandon those values ourselves. Doing that would be the REAL dishonor to America

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      • fred the protectionist

        Wrong, the only loyalty a Libertarian has is to himself (which they define as property). By nature Libertarians are internationalists, they have no loyalty to any "country".

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  16. This situation is pointless. As Paul points out accurately. To oppose the building of it is to oppose property rights, oppose freedom of religion, oppose freedom of islamic speech and you oppose local and state government rights.

    To be in favor of this monument to the dead muslims who carried out the attack on 9 11 is tasteless, stupid, and often appethetic. But being stupid and tasteless while qualifying as a federal hate crime, should never be criminal.

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  17. Paul as usual uses his half truths and innuendos in order to pass on his infantile diatribes. Private property rights aren't the issue here and he knows it. No one disputes their rights to build on property they own nor their right to practice their religion on their property. What he is ignoring is the right of freedom of speech to oppose the Ground Zero mega mosque under the very same constitutional right.

    He obfuscates and rambles on as usual and there are many other half truths and innuendos in his post (as usual) but this is the most obvious . Hmmmm, let's think what's missing from this post? Yeah a conspiracy!!!!!! What else????? The Zionists are to blame! :)

    The guys last sentence really expresses who he is very well " Political demagoguery rules when truth and liberty are ignored. "

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    • Nowhere does Paul advocate taking away anyone's first amendment rights. The right to free speech does not protect you from criticism, however. Those opponents of the project who are seeking ways to ban it, do not, and should not, have that right. Muslims are guaranteed the same freedom to worship as they see fit as Christians. There are multiple churches within blocks of Ground zero. There are many secular businesses. The people opposed to this are worked up because it is Islamic, and they equate anything Islamic with evil. They have a right to this opinion, as pig headed as it may be. The line they must not be allowed to cross is to use these beliefs to suppress the rights of their fellow Americans.

      If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarantee an equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other.
      Carl Schurz

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      • fred the protectionist

        I'm up for a Constitutional Amendment to ban Islam from being practiced, and muslims for immigrating here.

        Who's with me. :)

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  18. I don't get Orthodox Christian argument that because it's "holy ground" that we cannot build a mosque there; aren't there strip clubs and bars in the same area? If it is really holy ground then there should be at least a mosque there considering the Muslims that died in the attacks.

    And coming from a military family, I just want to say that I am absolutely ashamed of Orthodox Christian and all the other people out there that encourage this rhetoric on Islam. Islam did not attack us. Muslims did not attack us. A specific group called Al Qaeda attacked us and we shouldn't even call them Muslims because they are not. And to say that Muslims attacked us, and further to say that our brave soldiers are overseas fighting Muslims, is Unpatriotic and just plain stupid because there are more than a billion Muslims in the world.
    People don't see that whenever we say Muslims attacked us we are feeding into the propaganda of the terrorists. They want us to be at war with Islam. Then they have a pool of more than a billion people to get recruits from. We need to make it crystal clear that we are NOT AT WAR WITH ISLAM, because if we don't we are making our soldiers' jobs that much harder and dangerous.
    And last I checked, this country was founded on SECULAR principles, not Christian, Judea, or any other religion. People forget that a good portion of Enlightenment Philosophers were not even Christian and instead deists like Locke, Jefferson, Roussea, Ben Franklin etc.
    We should be trying our best to be friends with Muslim majority nations. Especially countries like Turkey, which is actually our BEST FRIEND IN THE MIDDLE EAST. How do people forget this? Also, instead of drawing up plans with Israel to bomb Iran, we should instead try to help the people there get control of there government. After all the majority, and youthful, population in Iran LOVES AMERICA! Why would we want to mess that up by making them think we are at war with them and their religion?
    Stop the hate, please, if not for the sake of being right morally and spiritually, for the sake of strategy because the more we alienate Muslims, the more danger there is for us and our brave soldiers.

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    • Orthodox Christian

      Hi Somebody.

      Well. I certainly DO NOT support the strip clubs. As a matter of fact, the United States is the #1 exporter of pornography in the world, and this junk gets out to the Middle East. Muslims then see it and equate it is as a common American Characteristic. Are we all ready to protest this as well, or is this our right as a system of free enterprise? The way I see it. Some in this movement feel the need to stand up for Islam, which in many ways is scripturally detrimental to women, while at the same time feed into this semi-pornographic lifestyle that Hollywood, Facebook, etc etc promotes and then back it up by calling it "Freedom" yet these people do not understand that this lifestyle aslo angers and creates the response against Americans.

      Most certainly, Al Qaeda does not represent the entire global Muslim community, and that most Muslims aren't out to "get us." I know and love many Muslims. In fact, I try to love all of them. But this is neither here nor there. My love doesn't mean that I diffuse my beliefs (as I am sure none of you would want this), nor does it change the fact that building a Mosque at this location is also inappropriate. EVEN if the end game is to "build bridges." If that is truly the end game, then I support the end game. But I think there are better ways to do so, and I also do not support the idea of hiding behind the American ideals of "Freedom" "Property Rights" and place them in a vaccuum, especially since these attributes only work when equated with mercy, compassion, and the welfare (i.e Natural Law) of your neighbor. If the builders of the Mosque are Americans, they would understand this, no?

      In any case. Please forgive me. My mission isn't to hurt others. No do I condone banning or harraassment of any sort. I just seek a REAL common ground, not one forced down our throats, and backed by shame, hypersensitivity, political correctness, and guilt-reactions.

      Peace unto you all.

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  19. RE:Orthodox Christian

    Abraham is believed by some people to be the founding patriarch of the Israelites, Ishmaelites, Edomites, and the Midianites and kindred peoples, according to the book of Genesis.

    Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Bahai are sometimes referred to as the "Abrahamic religions" because of the progenitor role that Abraham plays in their holy books. In both the Jewish tradition and the Quran, he is referred to as "our Father". Jews, Christians, and Muslims consider him father of the people of Israel. For Jews and Christians this is through his son Isaac, by his wife Sarah; for Muslims, he is a prophet of Islam and the ancestor of Muhammad through his other son Ishmael, born to him by Sarah's handmaiden, Hagar.

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  20. RE:EC

    We have already forgiven

    - Germany (the entire country, ran the Nazi death, labor and internment camps and crippled most of Europe)
    - Japan (attacked us at Pearl Harbor)
    - Russia (Joseph Stalin ran a government that killed millions in Moscow)
    - Italy (A Fascist Ally of Germany)
    - China(an Ally of North Korea which 53k plus American died)
    - Vietnam (of which 55k plus Americans died for nothing)
    - etc. etc.

    Islam didn't attack us on 9/11. Fifteen of the seventeen of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Most were funded by elements from this country. But that is OK, because we are slaves to the Saudi OIL!

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    • fred the protectionist

      If it weren't for Free Traders like Ron Paul, then we wouldn't be "slaves to saudi oil". Look in the mirror, it's your fault.

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      • fred the protectionist, We really owe our dependency on Saudi oil dew to L.B.J. for taking us off the Gold and Silver Standard. Then along came Jimmy and he refused to accept that there was large reserves of oil off the East Coast. He rejected the National Geological Survey data three times and then banned drilling off the East Coast. Our money use to be redeemable from the Federal Reserve for silver and at one time for gold. Ownership of gold bullion was outlawed to prevent it from finding it's way to Germany in WWII.

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