Ron Paul to Sunshine Patriots: Stop Your Demagogy About The NYC Mosque!




Congressman Ron Paul today released the following statement on the controversy concerning the construction of an Islamic Center and Mosque in New York City:

Is the controversy over building a mosque near ground zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery?

It has been said, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.” Are we not overly preoccupied with this controversy, now being used in various ways by grandstanding politicians? It looks to me like the politicians are “fiddling while the economy burns.”

The debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque.

Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be “sensitive” requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from “ground zero.”

Just think of what might (not) have happened if the whole issue had been ignored and the national debate stuck with war, peace, and prosperity. There certainly would have been a lot less emotionalism on both sides. The fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate, raises the question of just why and driven by whom?

In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.

They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. A select quote from soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq expressing concern over the mosque is pure propaganda and an affront to their bravery and sacrifice.

The claim is that we are in the Middle East to protect our liberties is misleading. To continue this charade, millions of Muslims are indicted and we are obligated to rescue them from their religious and political leaders. And, we’re supposed to believe that abusing our liberties here at home and pursuing unconstitutional wars overseas will solve our problems.

The nineteen suicide bombers didn’t come from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iran. Fifteen came from our ally Saudi Arabia, a country that harbors strong American resentment, yet we invade and occupy Iraq where no al Qaeda existed prior to 9/11.

Many fellow conservatives say they understand the property rights and 1st Amendment issues and don’t want a legal ban on building the mosque. They just want everybody to be “sensitive” and force, through public pressure, cancellation of the mosque construction.

This sentiment seems to confirm that Islam itself is to be made the issue, and radical religious Islamic views were the only reasons for 9/11. If it became known that 9/11 resulted in part from a desire to retaliate against what many Muslims saw as American aggression and occupation, the need to demonize Islam would be difficult if not impossible.

There is no doubt that a small portion of radical, angry Islamists do want to kill us but the question remains, what exactly motivates this hatred?

If Islam is further discredited by making the building of the mosque the issue, then the false justification for our wars in the Middle East will continue to be acceptable.

The justification to ban the mosque is no more rational than banning a soccer field in the same place because all the suicide bombers loved to play soccer.

Conservatives are once again, unfortunately, failing to defend private property rights, a policy we claim to cherish. In addition conservatives missed a chance to challenge the hypocrisy of the left which now claims they defend property rights of Muslims, yet rarely if ever, the property rights of American private businesses.

Defending the controversial use of property should be no more difficult than defending the 1st Amendment principle of defending controversial speech. But many conservatives and liberals do not want to diminish the hatred for Islam–the driving emotion that keeps us in the wars in the Middle East and Central Asia.

It is repeatedly said that 64% of the people, after listening to the political demagogues, don’t want the mosque to be built. What would we do if 75% of the people insist that no more Catholic churches be built in New York City? The point being is that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as well as individual dictators. Statistics of support is irrelevant when it comes to the purpose of government in a free society—protecting liberty.

The outcry over the building of the mosque, near ground zero, implies that Islam alone was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to those who are condemning the building of the mosque, the nineteen suicide terrorists on 9/11 spoke for all Muslims. This is like blaming all Christians for the wars of aggression and occupation because some Christians supported the neo-conservatives’ aggressive wars.

The House Speaker is now treading on a slippery slope by demanding a Congressional investigation to find out just who is funding the mosque—a bold rejection of property rights, 1st Amendment rights, and the Rule of Law—in order to look tough against Islam.

This is all about hate and Islamaphobia.

We now have an epidemic of “sunshine patriots” on both the right and the left who are all for freedom, as long as there’s no controversy and nobody is offended.

Political demagoguery rules when truth and liberty are ignored.



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  1. mohammed ali farha

    Our liberty, freedom, and morality are on the line. Islam phobia lives all around me but I still try my hardest to educate the masses as much as possible that Islam just like our fellow Christians and Hebrew brothers and sisters alike are for peace, and nobody installs hatred for one and another due to their religious beliefs. Americans come from different facet of life and we live in harmony, peace, and tranquility. American Muslim are so quiet because it is pretty hard to defend the mind sets and the opinion of the masses due to a select few who have went off board in the name of God. My perspective as an American about Islam phobia is that people in general due in fact judge “Islam Phobia” the book by its cover, and that my friends is a shame in so many words.
    God bless America.
    M. FARHA
    08/24/2010

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  2. Not usually a Paul fan

    I don't usually agree with Ron Paul about anything but this is extremely good sense.

    To those of you who think that we should oppose Cordoba House on the grounds that it will be divisive - cause riots, social unrest, whatever - consider how that argument would have been applied by those who opposed the civil rights movement; integrated schools, for example. "Don't rock the boat" is not a sufficient reason to give your sanction to bigotry. Should Rosa Parks just have taken it on the chin?

    To those of you wetting the bed about Sharia law, I note that there is very little panic about the Jewish religious courts that currently exist. Most people get that it's impossible to stop people agreeing amongst themselves to be bound by those sorts of adjudications; and obviously where religious law conflicts with the law of the land, the law of the land trumps it. If I am a Christian who puts my child to death for apostasy, as the Old Testament requires, I can't argue that my actions were legal because they're OK'd by the Bible, can I?

    I live in the UK, so I also want to point out that the chicken-hearted fear-mongers who think that we're in the middle of some sort of Islamofascist cultural coup are lying to you. We're just not. At best, they're swallowing the self-serving propaganda that comes out of avowedly racist violent thug militias like the English Defence League and the British National Party. Aligning yourself with those guys is essentially the same as marching with the KKK.

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    • Stand up for peoples rights! Follow the Constitution! Anything unconstitutional that errodes the peoples liberty should be taken out! Agreed. And maybe you two can be a Ron Paul fan because this is what we as supporters stand for. A free America reguardless of who you are or what you believe in against governments socialist agenda.

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  3. KBush-no relation

    In response to Georgetown: Where are your quotes from George Bush who spoke who spoke out after 9/11, emploring Americans to remember that Islam is a "beautiful religion"? Where were you and the frightened herds when Bush went to the Islamic Center in DC - the Islamic Center of all places - after 9/11 to show his support for Muslims and assure them that our fight was not with Islam? Do you paint Bush with the same brush as Obama? And if not, why not?
    I fear that what is going on now is a "perfect storm" - the confligration of fears of illegal immigrants, a true economic crisis that creates understandable fear in people, and election year politics where republicans will gin up any and all fears possible to get the right people to the polls in November. It's shameful and its dangerous.
    But to my first point - tell me why Obama and Bush are not joined at the hip here and why you and the republicans are not pointing the finger at Bush who apparently started this campaign of supposed disinformation when he spoke of a peaceful Islam.
    As far as polls showing that 70% of Americans oppose this, I offer the fact that as late as the 2006 elections, polls showed that 60% of Americans thought Iraq had something to do with 9/11 when even George Bush had dispensed with that myth. Freedom of speech and religion is not subject to polling.

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  4. Ty has read Ron Paul's statement and the events surrounding this (Ground Zero) kerfuffle exactly right. The professional fear-mongers and their master Rupert Murdock move in lock step to gin up a "controversy" where none exists. These people do not serve their nation and are not patriots.

    Newt Gingrich ought to know better, but has become such a self promotional opportunist that he was tempted to throw in with these demagogues. He has never shown himself to be able to resist temptation.

    Shame on the lot of them and thank the powers that be that they do NOT SPEAK FOR AMERICA. Even George Bush was more of a patriot than these folk.

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    • George Bush... two unconstitutional wars built on lies... blantly going against the consitution example the patriot act.. I don't know about being him being patriotic at all

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      • fred the protectionist

        Really. So what makes those wars "unconstitutional"?

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        • The Constitiution states that any treaty or charter we sign, becomes as valid as the Constitutional itself.......as binding!! The US violated the UN Charter by not adhereing to it.........violating the Constitution!

          Love the Republic, Hate the Empire!!

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  5. Garrick Respress

    Senator Paul, I simply wanted to thank you for speaking out. I have been so shocked that Americans are actually standing against religious freedom and our First Amendment rights. Our nation was founded on the principles of freedom. Now, we actually have leaders in this nation standing against those freedoms. I am going from shock to anger!!! Please continue to stand tall and speak out against these misleading agendas (a perpetual & never ending war in the Middle East). Every issue comes down to the invisible "Boogie man" coming to get me and my family. I was raised in Warner Robins, GA, a military town in Middle Georgia. I don't see it. I don't believe it. It is a lie! I want to see my government showing as much vigor for me and my fellow Americans. I want to see my government create jobs and ending the gross misuse of my hard labor. Thank you, Senator Paul!

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  6. Ron Paul is the only politician that inspires me enough to want to add my 2c to any public discourse. Where do I even begin, the man has so much dignity and his relentless defense of the Constitution and Bill of Rights is unmatched in public life.

    Again, at the risk of facing mob action by the "herd" being led astray by herders with guileful intents, he breaks away from a politically motivated position his own flesh and blood had taken. He reminds us once more of the fundamental issues at play. Not mincing words, and like I would expect, not pussy footing either.

    Dr Ron Paul, once more speaks for me and people like me.

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  7. open your eyes ron paul...no sharia law in America, look to the case in New Jersey where a judge found a muslim man NOT GUILTY of repeated raping his wife because in their religion a woman man not refuse her husbands sexual advances. You cannot come into this country and bring your countries laws here. The appeals court immediately overturned that ruling and sentenced the man to prison where he belongs. Look at the recent events in Dearborn Michigan where the muslim chief of police arrested christians who attended an islamic festival and were arrested and had their video cameras taken from them....that not enough for you. You for sure know nothing about islam or the quran...i have the book and have spent the last two years studying it...anyone who says it is a benign and peaceful religion who does not condone violence is a damn liar. Not only does the quran condone violence, it ADVOCATES it in many instances. Perhaps you should do a little homework on muhammed...who was a WARMONGER. You politicians who never had to work for a living make me sick with your platitudes. I am sure this comment will never make it to the public view, but I do not really care. On my website we have highlighted you as a bad politician.

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  8. Dear Fred the Protectionist,

    What are you protecting, exactly? The flavor-of-the-decade old rich white guy mainstream faux politcal morality? You add nothing of worth to the discussion. You are the whimpering gasp of a dying breed. Please surrender your clammy grip on the planet along with your generation's so those of us with brains might clean up this massive mess.

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    • *two thumbs up from me

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    • fred the protectionist

      What the hell is a "flavor-of-the-decade old rich white guy mainstream faux politcal morality"?

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    • Fred the Protectionist (aka Forest, aka many made-up characters on this board) has as much insight as the common sea slug. Ideas older than the ocean floor, with as much neural complexity to his arguments as his ancient vestige of a nervous system. Brainstem hyper-activity allows only fear-attack responses of violence, vengence and primitive hostility when threatened. Keep your hands and toes away from him during transport. He's been known to take a pinky or big toe with those sharp primate incisors

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  9. Where are these Islamaphobic racist getting their information from?! Could it be from Hannity, Beck, Bill-O ,who daily insult the American people's intellect? From the start, these TV personalities have used the fear tactic that if they build the mosque sharia law will creep into and take over American society!!! WTF?! To those who follow & believe this rhetoric, let me ask you something. Would your mothers/wifes/daughters allow themselves to be governed by sharia law? Would you let anyone force sharia law on the female members of your family? I HIGHLY DOUBT IT!!!!! One of the many beautiful things about the civil rights and liberties Americans have, thanks to our constitution, is the freedom of religious practice. YOU decide what to believe in, what church/synagogue/mosque to attend and all WITHOUT FEAR OF TRIAL OR PERSECUTION! Yet these TV personalites, who have multi-million dollar incentive based salaries, want you to believe that this one building or this one Imam will take that all away from you. How can you sit back and believe this garbage? Turn off the television and read the Constitution of the United States of America.

    A good friend of mine told me recently "Fear leads to hate, hate leads to preoccupation, preoccupation becomes fixation, fixation becomes FANATICISM". Using a fear tactic is all too common-place throughout American history and at the hands of the elite. Are they the ones living in Iraq & Afghanistan on constant alert for i.e.d's or armed TERRORISTS (not armed muslims)? No, they are here stoking the war-flame so they can continue to take their vacations to St. Barts or Marthas Vineyard.

    You are being fooled into believing this rhetoric. We all know the corruption that lies within our government, so are we too foolish not see this as a grand distraction? What about REAL american issues? Economy? Border? WAR? Obamacare? The only person I know that wants to handle them is RON PAUL!

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    • Ty, You said, "...armed TERRORISTS (not armed muslims)?"

      Haven't you heard? ALL those terrorists ARE "armed Muslims!"

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    • SR,

      Your proving my point even further and dont even know it. No sh*t, the 19 terrorists involved in 9/11 and the taliban (who we trained & against Russia, crazy right?) were RADICAL EXTREMISTS muslims.

      Havent you heard? NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS!!!

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  10. fred, maybe you could explain why you think libertarians are "liberals", especially since libertarians support free markets, whereas you support liberal protectionism.

    Also, for someone who claims to oppose liberalism, you have no problem taking a page out of the liberal playbook and play the race/victim card.

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  11. Congressman Paul argues (here and in a CNN interview on this subject) that we should recognize not Islam as such, but the Islamic splinter group,
    al Qaeda, as our enemy, and act accordingly. But this depends very much on who "we" are. America is a nation of Christian traditions with mostly
    secular concerns; we call it, "business as usual." But we contain many subgroups; is Islam avowedly hostile to Christian America, or to the America
    of business-as-usual...or to someone else? Yes, Osama bin Laden is anti-business; apparently preferring the economics of Biblical times, to which
    he'd like to return us all. But does he represent even his own native Saudi Arabia, whose oil has been given such value by an American-led modern
    economy, let alone Islam in general? His organization, al Qaeda (The Base), attacked us on 9/11/01 in the name of Islam; we've all heard that Islam
    is a warlike faith -- aren't they all? -- but who is Islam's avowed enemy? We, who have never fought a war of invasion on our own soil, naturally recoil
    at the suggestion of a permanent symbol of an enemy at the site of his attack; it proclaims that he has successfully established a beachhead, having
    marked it with his flag. A mosque represents Islam; but was this an attack by Islam, or by certain Islamists? We can debate whether Islam is truly our
    enemy, but to know whether we are Islam's is much easier; has Islam declared war on America? No? Then, has it declared war on anyone else?
    Yes -- Islam has declared war on Zionism, which is the nationalist movement of organized Judaism; and which has established a beachhead in what
    Islamists consider their territory, which is Israel. What has this got to do with America? Fearing for the precarious position of their declared homeland,
    influential American Zionists have labored tirelessly to make us believe that Israel's danger is ours, and that her enemies are America's; to where our
    constant, compulsive meddling in others' affairs have nearly made that dream come true. Yes, we have common interests; and so a mutual defense
    pact is in effect to protect these. But Saddam's Iraq was a potential threat -- to Israel, not to America -- so under the patently ridiculous pretext of Iraq's
    "WMDs", we undertook to invade the most culturally pro-Western Arab nation, to depose and execute its ruler, and to build a new nation from its ashes.
    This goes much beyond mutual defense! Our belief in the need to defend Israel "at any cost" has been so interwoven into our culture that it blurs the
    American sense of national identity. The neo-conservatives for example, presumably the most traditonalist among us, include a very strong Christian
    element; but many of these are not traditionalists, but End-Timers and Born-Agains, who believe that today's Israel is the Israel of the Bible, that these
    are the "last days", and that they must defend Israel in preparation for the return of Christ. We have every reason to believe that President G. W. Bush
    and his Cabinet were of this general persuasion; or at least, were not taking any chances. This is by no means the only tie that binds Americans' sense
    of nationality to that foreign power, only one of the deepest. So who are we? Traditonal, business-as-usual America is not the enemy of Islam; but an
    opportunity that they can take or leave as they please; nor is Islam our enemy. But the longer America remains so closely bound up with Islam's enemy,
    the more we become Israel-by-proxy; then the more we become Islam's enemy in fact, if not in spirit. Indeed, by reacting to events such as the planned
    mosque as though Islam were an enemy; are we not doing the bidding of Israel, our puppet-master, and making the prophesy self-fulfilling?

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  12. As a flaming liberal I never thought I'd be posting a positive comment on a Ron Paul blog or that I'd find out about the post from a story on MSNBC.

    Although I see this situation as a First Amendment issue instead of an issue of property rights, I still agree with the observation that this could be a "grand opportunity" instead of a "grand distraction."

    To repurpose a somewhat tired slogan..."if the building of the Islamic Center is halted, the terrorists win." Let's face it, the purpose of terrorism is to create fear. If there is enough fear in NYC to force the building not to open, the terrorists win.

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  13. william ridenour

    I've been looking though the commentary and have to say I'm largely disappointed. I had hoped for a higher level of exchange, but substitution of ad hominem attacks for real intellectual engagement with contrary opinions seem just as common here as on any analogous site of radical lefties.
    The absolute refusal to look at what Islam actually is, blinded as so many are by mindless ideological devotion, comes at your peril.
    You're looking at a religion that is unrepentantly hegemonic, imperialist, intolerant and has nothing but contempt for the sacred/secular division we take for granted in the west---they plainly state no such separation exists in the Islamic world; state and religion are one.
    This is already causing tremendous problems in Europe as Muslims game their systems to incrementally gain more and more ground. Soon Muslims will be a majority there and Islamic absolutism will increasingly boldly confront the feckless and rickety structure of European positive law and its decadent rootless society, based upon secularism and moral relativism.
    Such is the hegemonic, imperialist nature of Islam. Ponder this, young Libertarians, while you see your unrecognizable grand daughter photographed in a bourka. Don't say you weren't warned.

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    • Neocons/liberatriansarefinished

      W. Ridenour are you sure you are not talking about our own Christian American Taliban?

      Normally I dont find Paul to be very rational when it comes to living in the real world.
      But this press release is enough to bring tears to your eyes.
      I still think libertarians are generally delusional but he has hit a homerun with this statement.

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    • "You're all blind because you don't agree with my brainless conflation of the dictates of religious verse and the practice of provisionally religious people. Despite the fact that I've failed to provide one mechanism by which the American system in particular could possibly be taken over by Islamists, despite the fact that I've failed to recognize any of the larger, structural reasons why the Islamic world is governed the way it is, and despite the fact that I'm reducing thousands of years of history to the rabble-rousing view of Islam I've heard from Grand Wizard WhiteCloak, you're all babies who...JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND!"

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  14. Sir, you make me proud to be an American. Thank you.

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  15. For all of you that do not know United Trinity Church that bo attended is for both Christians and Muslims
    "That ..central part of Christianity was not required at Obama's former church, the Trinity United Church of Christ, when Obama attended while in Chicago and he has not attended another church with any frequency since then. In addition, there was no necessary renunciation of his prior faith, Islam, because in that church one can be both a Muslim and a member."

    http://www.weeklyblitz.net/502/obamas-strange-church-was-it-his-launching-pad

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    • Neoconsarefinished

      Georgetown please take your meds.
      He is not a Muslim.
      He never was.
      And you are posting lies that you heard from either Faux or some Teahadist.

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  16. Islam did not attack us. That is it he made it perfectly clear he used some great analogies if you don't get you have to be missing the point.

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  17. The buzz... Conserving many cultures, liberty, and justice while opposing empire building and tyranny from monopolies is a big job. Democrats and Republicans had better decide soon to save America. Will America stay surrendered to the few families who now own her... endless wars, endless conflicts, propaganda, entertainment and corruption is all they produce... this is all they know. I support a Free Web Press, and I fight for a free America. Is Ron Paul the real leader in America ? More web coverage on Ron Paul than any other congressman. www.freewebpress.com - Ron Paul is featured on the front page.

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  18. Ron Paul- I am disappointed in you. Out of all people, surely you are aware that the First Amendment has limitations. For instance you cannot yell "fire "in a crowded theater unless there is Clear and Present Danger. Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919) , in a unanimous opinion(9-0) written by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.:

    "The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent"

    Building the Mosque is meant to do harm, the term Cordoba is offensive, and surely there will be a fight for the land site.People are still hurting and there is absolutely no reason to cause further harm by building a mosque there. As you know there are over 1,200 mosques in the US as of now. And one 8 blocks from the site. Another site has been offered but they refuse. It is an intentional infliction of emotional distress. And it should be stopped, and will be. You are on the wrong side of the issue.
    I am disappointed in your lack of sensitivity to this issue Mr. Paul.

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  19. Bo has an Islamic agenda. He says it here in the Cairo speech: (June 4, 2009)

    "So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed. That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn't. And I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear." (Applause.)

    Did you get that? Its his responsibility as the leader in US to fight for Islam.

    "That is why there is a mosque in every state in our union, and over 1,200 mosques within our borders. That's why the United States government has gone to court to protect the right of women and girls to wear the hijab and to punish those who would deny it." (Applause.)

    So bo's administration will Punish the US and protect the Islamic rights as promised. Yes he does exactly that, siding with the GZ mosque:

    "But let me be clear. As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country. And that includes the right to build a place of worship......

    He does not care about American beliefs feelings, pain or agony. Only advancing the Islamic Muslim agenda.
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104923292
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    • Neoconsarefinished

      GorgeTown you really know how to cut , paste and twist words to suit your delusions and bigotry.
      Why are cons/libertarians such scared and whiney people?
      Do you not believe our country is strong enough to overcome religious fanatics?

      Fight the American Taliban

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  20. On the nose, as always.

    RP for Prez 2012.

    You've got my vote. Just like last time. Maybe this time enough people are awake enough to what's been going on in this country to figure out you're the man, Ron Paul.

    Just hope the media and the GOP give you a fair shake. The way they treated you last time was abhorrent. The only man on stage making any sense... and they snickered at you. Especially the neo-cons.

    It's almost like the political elite don't want to fix problems... they just wanna stay in office. Sad.

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