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  1. Froilan Vincent

    Ron Paul is merely echoing the anti-American propaganda of the leftists and liberals to topple America and destroy its founding spirit. America is not an empire. It never occupied a foreign territory. Sure, it invaded my country Philippines but it left. America had no intention to occupy the Philippines. In fact most Filipinos should be very grateful for America for saving the Philippines from Japanese occupation. America waged a wrong war against Vietnam and then left the country. Again, it missed the wrong target after the September 11 attack when it invaded Iraq, but America then pulled out its troops and gave what the liberals and conservatives call “democracy” to the savages there.

    Ron Paul firmly believe that the terrorists are motivated by the so-called historical crimes of America. This proves that he also shares the sick mind of Noam Chomsky, who has been spreading Anti-American propaganda and helping the cause of America’s ideological enemies. Yes, both Ron Paul and Noam Chomsky are America’s most useful idiots!

    It seems that Ron Paul is not really listening to the “hate speeches” and anti-American slogans of the terrorists and their sympathizers on American soil. They said they “love death and the Americans love life!” They said they wanted Islam to dominate the world and impose Shariah law. In Iran people shout “Death to America” every Friday as part of their Orwellian “two-minute hate”. They said they all wanted to kill all “infidels and destroy Western Civilization” because that’s what their prophet commanded them to do.

    Indeed, if Mr. Paul is very much familiar with the history of and the principles held by America’s great founding fathers, he must do a Thomas Jefferson. Ron Paul must cure his Islamic idiocy and clarify his perception of reality by getting a copy of the Koran. This is exactly what Thomas Jefferson did.

    READ: http://fvdb.wordpress.com/2010/08/25/dhimmi-ron-paul-an-evil-appeaser-of-evil/

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    1. Mark Fey

      Froilan,

      Of course, I was not there, but it is my understanding that when the US wrested the Philippines from Spain they were determined to stay. Imperialism was high on their list of "favorable" attributes at that time.

      Brave Filipinos fought the occupation and showed every sign of making this a costly venture. The US marines performed horrendous acts and war crimes of every description in an effort to break the Filipino will to have a free and independent nation.

      Certainly, Douglas MacArthur was not a humanitarian. First governing as a despot and then fighting to return the Philippines to the leash by defeating the Japanese.

      Historical change and different attitudes towards empire: plus the price that the USA was forced to concede it would bear eventually led to the reluctant release of the Philippines to an independent state. Even then, the transition was so poor that their political condition was terrible, and it cost them dearly.

      I am amazed by your post on several scores, but this dereliction in reading the history of American adventurism on these islands is very sad.

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    2. Carlos Aguilar

      When you use the term Neo-Con the true Neo-Con does not take it as a pegorative. We consider it a compliment, it provides clarity where in politics clarity is lacking. As for blather, stop biting off of O'reilly.

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  2. TruthSeeker

    Thank you courageous Senator Paul for standing out. Courage is not to utter what the majority of the people like to hear. Courage is standing up for what is true, right, and just. For all those fooled conservative Christians who are turning into Zionist converts, I say to you that if Christ was for flattering the majority of the people, Christ would have never been a significant one. Christ was always for the broken wing, for the meek, for the sick, for the poor, and for the disfranchised. The Kingdom of Heaven he called for was the kingdom of humanity which makes peace among the people based on truth and justice. Have you searched the truth and found out who was behind 911 before you condemn all Muslims for doing it? I say that because the moral of your story is to stick and re-stick the Muslims for doing it again and again so that the warlords and global neoconservatives can soften you again for another military strike while at the same time put you under anesthesia for another tax money robbery. Let the war machine spin faster...grind faster...and swallow faster so that you naive crowds succumb to the destruction of your nation. The Hell with our economy...the hell with our jobs...the hell with our education and schools which continue to shrink...the hell with our dollar which continues to inflate...the hell with our health care which is turning into insurance industry feast. We do not have enough money for any of that, but we have money for wars and bailouts to the predatory elite which got us in trouble in the first place. We have time to protest the ground zero mosque, but we do not have time to think, research the truth, and protest the satanic forces that have been unleashed on us until we are all dust. It is a shame that the greatest nation in the world is the becoming the fair game for the satanic forces from within. Go no far and search no far. The enemy is right here at home. Find out who was behind 911 first and come back and protest against the Muslims: http://iamthewitness.com/books/Albert.D.Pastore/Stranger.than.fiction.htm

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    1. David

      Hi TS:

      Well, with all reference to any form of religion aside, and i do understand and respect some of your views on this as well, you do state the problem very succinctly in that the Banks who have established complete and total power over America's currency, economy and political system, needed to create a long, drawn out and expensive war in order to create more debt so that they could finally consume the last remaining vestiges of prosperity which existed here and try to establish their final objective of complete and total ownership over America and over its population for themselves.

      For anyone to assume that they were not complicit in all of this in some way shape or form would be extremely foolish. It seems that by now the vast majority of the population they have been attempting to enslave has figured this out and as i've said before and Ron Paul has alluded to, this entire mosque issue seems to be a last ditch, desperate attempt to distract the population from finally getting rid of them and taking back our country for ourselves, as they have already determined they need to do.

      I guess if were going to use Christ as an example in this, then we need to look at the instance where he took a stick and drove the money changers out of the temple which is exactly what we need to do today. Once its done i think everyone will be absolutely amazed at how very few problems we have and they will each have a shot at their natural right to the pursuit of happiness with a standard of living 30 times what it has ever been in the past, which is also their right, as we are entitled to benefit from the full measure of prosperity which we are capable of creating for ourselves, which is also necessary to the enjoyment of all of the other freedoms on which America is established. For those who say no way, well, with 5/6ths of our productive effort always having been consumed by banks in one way shape of form and with our actual productive capacity always having been restricted to less then 1/5th of what it should be due to a shortage of currency created by the same banks to trade for it, this comes out to a factor of 30 and can only increase geometrically from that point on.

      It is sometimes good for us to hate, good things are accomplished by good men and women through the hatred and destruction of the evil that prevents them, so direct that hatred toward the parasite which would try to get you to hate something else in order to distract you from destroying it before it consumes you completely. Once the evil is destroyed then only love can remain. Christ hated the parasite too and as a person who comes from a place where they had already achieved the final result which they are trying to accomplish here, i hate them as well, completely, totally and absolutely, just as everyone should as they all have good reason to.

      Here's the stick:

      http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/fiat-money-inflation-federal-reserve/comment-page-21/#comment-126876

      Everyone grab hold of it, follow the instructions underneath, drive the money changers from our Country and if enough of you participate, then you will finally know the America which its founding fathers intended it to be. It will be a place of absolute freedom, great peace and happiness, with rich and abundant prosperity for all, so far beyond anyone's comprehension that the best of what we've experienced so far will seem as the dark ages in medievel Europe by comparison. Just as it would have naturally become without the existence of the parasitic infection which has been consuming our productive effort to keep it from it from being so. No one but the parasite has any incentive to make it otherwise.

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    2. Mark

      TruthSeeker, Open your eyes. The truth is that the majority of Muslims were in the streets dancing and celebrating the 9/11 terrorist. They the U.S. they hate the Jews and they hate the Christians. Oh the most likely hate you too. The same people who are now champion the Mosque and calling for religious freedom are the same who are offended by a cross erected along side a freeway in remembrance of a fallen Highway Patrol Officer or the cross erected in memory of those who perished fighting for freedom in WWI. Why are there hearts so full of hate for Christians?

      I watched the man behind this mosque smile and try to make people think there was no where else they could build. That is a lie and he dose not own the whole piece of property. That's lie number 2 and the interviewer did not bring up the fact that the Governor was willing to help find a more acceptable location. This is salt in the wound and a monument to the Muslim terrorist.

      In order for evil and its followers to succeed good people have to do nothing. So if good mu slims do nothing as they are, then they are no better than the terrorist.

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      1. TruthSeeker

        Mark, I would like you also to open your eyes and heart and do your own research instead of living into your little tiny circle. Be like Socrates. Be a hostage for the truth, not a hostage for emotional volatility. The dancing Israelis were not just expressing their feelings about 911. They were caught up with box cutters, maps of the city, camera images of the towers, and evidence of explosives that are enough to bring down a whole tower down. They were impersonating Middle Eastern men when they turned out to be Mossad agents. They tried to mislead the NYPD by making a fake phone call while they were heading in the opposite direction. Thank God the NYPD were smart enough to seal off all major pathways to the bridge that was going to be blown up too. Open your eyes my friend and be an independent thinker instead of judging a man who was smiling at you for being ridiculous when you were trying to override his constitutional right. The least he could do to you is smile at you because if you were a law-abiding citizen, you would have stopped right there. Imagine if a Christian fanatic were accused of bringing the towers down, and a group of Christian community decided to erect a church in the same spot, could you imagine all other communities going out of proportion and protesting the church building? Why we continue to practice exceptionlism the Manifest Destiny type? Is that American? My problem is not so much with the ground zero mosque in as much as it is in the political implications behind it. I care less if a ground 1000 mosque was erected there that is higher than any building. It is the vile and malicious exploitation of the event to serve the agenda of the war machine and diversion from the awaking of the people to the truth of our condition. We have been lied to about the war in Iraq; the war in Afghanistan, the bailout, the health reform, and now someone is lying about Iran. They want to us into war in Iran at all expense. They care less if your son and my son is the next recruit for death. They care less if your tax dollar goes all into the Pentagon and the intelligence community so that the oil industry, the private contractors, and the military-industrial complex, and ultimately the banker’s societies who finance the entire above can steal your money and drive you out of existence soon. This is the diversion of the truth that is behind the ground zero mosque hoax which you should pay attention to. This is a war against the American people not against the Muslims of NY and their Cordova Center! We are tired Mark of being balled around. We are tired of lies and deceit. We are tired of being used and abused. We owe it to ourselves and to the future of our generations to wake up and become independent thinkers, not merely mainstream media junkies who are unable to assimilate the truth. The White House, the Congress, the main media whores, and every presidential candidate so far have all been accomplice to our misery. The bad news, there is no way around it. The good news, it can be done. Taking our country back is not from helpless minorities. It is from the bastards up there who played us fools all along and they are determined to establish the New World Order where only the rich and the elite can roam our streets.

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        1. mark

          TruthSeeker you are absolutely full of shit. There are not thousands of Mossad agents but there were thousands of Muslims rejoicing in the death and destruction. I happen to know several engineers and they disagree with your uneducated and perverted perception of the truth. There are none so blind as those who will not see. There are none so deft as those who will not listen. Churches are denied the right to build on a regular basic my friend. For as little as one person in the neighborhood complaining about the increase in traffic. The difference is they respect persons right and build somewhere they are not rejected. You have no compassion or respect for those who lost loved ones on 9/11. If you hate this country move to China see what kind of rights you have there.

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  3. mark

    [ Explain to me Fred how you can generalize 1.2+ billion people? ]

    yup 1.2 billion . That is a lot !

    Now call me a neo-nazi , if you must , but, I have my thinking cap on and I'm not so sure I like the numbers.

    With rapid muslim immigration in to most western nations and given the birth rates , I'm not so sure I can support any more muslim immigration at all . I mean I kind of like it the way it was before .

    I believe that I have a right to my freedom of association and I prefer my own people thanks or at least that they are not overwhelmed in their former nation , Now , this is NOT that I wish any other people any harm .
    I do think that I am so much of a realist that I might get called a neo nazi , boo hoo , even by some " conservatives " who don't seem to care about conserving what they should hold most dear .. that being their heritage , their blood/ dna and their history and culture . Nation comes from the latin term natal , which means by BIRTH !

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    1. Carlos Aguilar

      You don't have your thinking cap on, you have a little tinfoil cap on waiting for little green men to come down and save you from the Jews and the Neo-Cons. TruthSeeker you need to get some professional help, I wish I was joking.

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  4. Theo

    MELTING POT ?

    The very much abused phrase " melting pot " has been used fat too aften in a departure from reality .
    In the very real world it is difficult to assimilate differing European nationals into America . For instance after more than a century there is still a balkanization of Italians just as one example with little Italy's in most many major cities , and Italians are pretty closely related to Christian Eoropeans in general .

    To live in some sort of leftist utopian dream world that would see to it that a huge influx of muslims , who are like oil to euro vinegar , are going to be assimilated is like a dream that surely WILL become a nightmare. In the history of the world very differing peoples do not assimilate , they just tend to be in conflict when forced together in one nation , until the nation inevitably breaks up that is ( yugoslavia etc etc etc )

    Wake up kiddies as one poster succinctly put it !

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    1. Gary

      You are right about the melting pot. The biggest blocking point about the melting Pot is our own government. They have many divisions with race and religion by using political favors for groups to appease their ballot box on Election Day. They have encouraged groups to resist assimilation in order to have political strength and gain entitlements for their own agenda. The day must come for every citizen to call their self’s Americans instead of using sub titles. When that day comes this country will be complete and stronger.

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  5. Gary Chambers

    Ron
    Your opinion and libertarian view why the New York Mosque should not be opposed will get you plenty of Muslim votes. You put hate of Muslims as the main cause. You expressed that the terrorists of 911 were mostly from Saudi Arabia and not from Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iran. Mr. Paul, it’s not where they are from but it’s what they are. They are the tools of Islam. If you would take the time to read their instruction manual (the Quran) you would know why they want to build the Mosque at ground zero. They have said that America will be dominated by Islam because our constitution will protect their cause and will eventually be the very instrument that will allow Shari law. I know you will say that it could never happen in the United States of America but all you have to do is look what has happened in Belgium, Spain, France and England.

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  6. jw

    Paul's got it right. This should really be a non-issue.
    Remember we are a MELTING POT that includes people that are muslim. What ever happen to freedom of religion?! - and property rights for that matter. What are some of you afraid of?

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  7. SFC MAC

    Hey Ron, your proctologist called. He found your head.

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  8. Larry Ruggiero

    Mr. Paul criticizes those who, while supporting the Constitutional right of Muslims to build the mosque at ground zero, express the desire that Muslims build it elsewhere.

    A real libertarian would welcome the healthy debate on this issue that the First Amendment permits, and leave it at that.

    Mr. Paul's name-calling and attacks on assumed motives shows he either doesn't understand the Constitution or can't accept what it means.

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  9. jack ryan

    I confess that I was once a "Libertarian" in my 20s. I was attracted to the positive program of "liberty" - where individuals weren't divided in to groups, where the largest group/mob abused the smaller groups, abused the rights of individuals to live free lives.

    I'm now 47 and have been in the real worlds for some time. In the real world, there are different groups, one very large group are the world's Muslims 1.5 billion of them. It is just a fact of life that these various types of Muslims have different culture, laws, loyalties than most Western people - Europeans, Americans etc.

    It is just be naive to think that 9/11 or virtually the entire history of Islam against the West is a big "misunderstanding" - or all our fault for being mean and discriminating against Muslims.

    Was the sack of Constantinople just some "misunderstanding" - something to do with too much government regulation.

    This Mosque at Ground Zero is sponsored by something called "The Cordoba Initiative" - Cordoba is a city in Spain where for 700 years Muslim Arab Moors occupied Spain. This choice of the name "Cordoba" is deliberate - puts out the message that the Muslims - in this case Arab Muslims are looking to colonize, rule over America the same way they did to the Spanish from Cordoba Spain.

    Can folks here not understand the insult, the message?

    Yes, I agree with Ron Paul - the US should stop these Neo Con wars in the Middle East, Asia and leave Muslims alone in their existing countries.

    But, we must end all Muslim immigration in to the West. Muslims have never lived in peace with non Muslims in the same country, society. Ask the Armenians, Serbs, French Pied Noir, Hindus etc.

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    1. Mark Fey

      Great Jack,

      Let's ask the Serbs how to behave as a society... They certainly are worth emulating! LOL!

      The French in Algiers, were great role models as well... Let's see they colonized over 130 years and took the traditional leadership of the society out of the country. They treated the country as if it were backwater and then mistreated the native inhabitants. Good teachers these Pied Noir!

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  10. leciat

    yeah ron has it right, it is we ignorant infidels that are to blame for terrorism…rauf is right we have more blood on our hands then al qaeda…america is the great satan and along with our evil jew owners is responsible for all the evil in the world. muslims blow up everyone all over the world because america is ignorant and evil

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  11. David

    I'm just wondering how much attention the Ron Paul supporters who are arguing this issue are actually paying to what Ron Paul himself is saying on this.

    In terms of the topic itself he said "Stop Your Demagogy About The NYC Mosque!". In terms of the issue he said "It has been said, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.” Are we not overly preoccupied with this controversy, now being used in various ways by grandstanding politicians? It looks to me like the politicians are “fiddling while the economy burns.”" Then "the fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate, raises the question of just why and driven by whom?"

    Are those debating this issue indeed doing as the politicians and "fiddling while Rome Burns" ? We have it within our means today to take back control of our political and economic system from the Banks who have used their power over our currency to attempt to reduce us under absolute despotism. This is something which absolutely every American can contribute towards, something that the entire population understands desperately needs to be done and will support and something we have a unique opportunity to make happen while we still can to our own benefit and toward the freedom and security of every generation to come.

    Instead i see christian, jew, moslem, atheist and agnostic arguing until they are blue in the face over this, accomplishing absolutely nothing, changing no ones opinion nor will any of this have any effect whatsoever on the eventual outcome of the matter. Whatever will happen with it will simply happen and whatever does happen will be of absolutely no tangible consequence America, nor the freedom and prosperity of it's population.

    What is the point people and what is all this "fiddling" supposed to accomplish ?. Why not put all of this effort into something real and tangible that we can do for ourselves and our Country today ?

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    1. David

      Good, good, good, were getting some positive responses on this. Anyway, here's something everyone can do, i think James and myself have come up with the simplest and easiest possible way to take back our economy and political system for ourselves.

      The solution is here, and the instructions on what to do with it below that:

      http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/fiat-money-inflation-federal-reserve/comment-page-21/#comment-126876

      I think i can promise that if enough people participate in this effort it will work and negate the power which poses a threat to our existence today and do it very quickly.

      I'll simply ask that everyone take a little time out and help us get this into distribution so it can work, and then hopefully we can all stop worrying about it and get back to other things.

      Thanks :)

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  12. Thomas

    We live in a world that has narrowed our choices to such a degree that it is totalitarian .

    People talk about the very real condition of moslims/chinese/african not integrating . Guess what ? That is good ! If they integrate then you will have become more like them . Your culture will have been changed !

    People talk about how we must guard our freedom and we must ! Ron Paul is a giant amongst midgets on this and many other issues ...

    But , here is the key ....

    Muslims should not be immigrating to western nations ! It is unnatural ! It goes against human nature and nature itself . If Christians were over taking muslim countries with immigration that would be a disaster in the making and it would be wrong .

    You can only have a western free nation if it remains populated by western peoples . You can talk about freedom all you want but if the majority of your population does not values freedom then your freedom is doomed !

    Grow up kiddies , It would be really nice if every nation shared your values but this is the real world and people who have come from thousands of years of eastern societies are not about to change their default cultural attitudes !
    Lefties are child like on this subject and it pains me to see so many conservatives following suit .

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    1. Yousef Abed

      Thomas, unless you were a Native American then you yourself were integrated into the American society.

      Also your comment about Muslims immigrating to the west being unnatural is mind boggling, American is not a "White" country. After reading your words I am assuming you are a closet white supremacist, you know the kind that hides his/her opinion in public but is actually filled with hate.

      Thomas, America has no room for racist bigots, this country was founded on principles far greater then you.

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    2. David

      Well as i've said before, the mosque issue doesn't interest me much, but what i'm finding interesting here is the almost equal number of positive hits on these two opposing opinions.

      I suppose if i am to define what in my opinion makes an American, it would be a firm and sound belief in the principles of individual freedom, equality, and justice set forth in America's Constitution and Declaration of Independence. I don't see how race, religion, country of origin or any other factor can even come into play with this.

      I have a friend of Mexican ancestry, who has been a US citizen for a great many years who brought his mother here from Mexico to live with him and his family. The old woman was well into her 80's, she had permanent resident status and would have been just fine with that, but she was determined to become an American citizen before she died. Somewhere during the course of the interview for her citizenship, she was asked if she would be willing to go to war in defense of the Constitution of the United States. Her response to the question was "Yes i Will". That Ladies and Gentlemen is an American and it is for all such Americans that i would gladly lay down my own life in defense of the freedoms they hold dear. Anyone not prepared to commit to doing the same, in my opinion, is not an American and does not belong here, regardless of any accidents of birth which may be involved.

      The first amendment of our Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". This is not only a guarantee to freedom of religion, but also a guarantee of freedom from religion. Almost every religion which has existed in the course of human history, including many of the common abortions of Christianity, in direct conflict with what they claim to believe, has practiced mass genocide at some point or another on order to try and establish itself as the only religion with absolute power over everyone and they are all guilty. So, not so much different from America's banking system or any of the other crazed lunatics seeking absolute power and control over everyone else. It's all just different clods of sh*t which have come out the back end of the same goose. The Constitution while guaranteeing the free exercise of religion, with the same words also prohibits any exercise of any religion against those who don't agree with it and i think that this is the more important function.

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  13. ThinkingStraight

    I made a comment about Timothy McVeigh being a Christian terrorist, and after a little thinking I'll take that one back
    See http://aleksandreia.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/was-timothy-mcveigh-a-christian-terrorist/ for a thoughtful discussion on the topic.

    Instead lets use Eric Rudolph who definitely WAS a Christian terrorist. My point remains the same: you cannot generalize from one group of terrorists who attacked us in the name of Islam to all of Islam. You can't even use Saudi Arabia or Iran as good stand-ins for the vast majority of people in America who follow the Quran.

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    1. fred the protectionist

      "you cannot generalize from one group of terrorists who attacked us in the name of Islam to all of Islam."

      Yes you can

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      1. JE

        ummm there are over 1.5 billion Muslims, I'm pretty sure if they were all terrorist we wouldn't be alive today. So Sure you can generalize because we live in a Free country, but to use that FAKE generalization to keep the Mosque out is ludicrous.

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      2. Yousef Abed

        Explain to me Fred how you can generalize 1.2+ billion people? If that is the case I could generalize every group of human beings on the planet. Stop spreading your anti-American communist/neo-Nazi propaganda.

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      3. Libertarian777

        are all Russians spies then?

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        1. Mark

          Libertarian, Your comment is akin to apples and oranges. If all Russians knew or know who the spies are, then answer would be yes.

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    2. Mark

      Radical Islam is the face of all Muslims. The reason I say this is because when the so called good Muslims sit back and do nothing they are just as bad as the ones who commit the terrorist acts. It is not any different than the equal rights movement when so called white people sat at home did nothing while blacks were being discriminated against. If the whites didn't speak out against racism nothing would have improved. The only thing we would have to show for it would be more graves.

      In order for evil and its followers to succeed good people have to do nothing. So if good mu slims do nothing as they are, then they are no better than the terrorist.

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      1. Eli

        What should the average Muslim be "doing" to prevent terrorists groups that also claim to be Muslim and why should they be under any more obligation than you or I to stop them?

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        1. mark

          I didn't say they had to stop them. They need to speak out against it in large numbers. They have to say this wrong they have to educate their children to except that people have the right to be different. We try to do that here in America and we have made great progress but we still have long way to go. i have seen Muslim women on youtube proudly displaying their children saying death to the infidels. They need to stop teaching their children to . Could you imagine teaching American schools teaching death to all Muslims.

          The only way to stop them is know who they are and what they are planing to do. That should be the duty of everybody regardless who they are.

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        2. Seno

          To Mark,

          Just to share you the facts that Americans understandably have been missing out due to US media's "finite" bandwidth (about the rest of the world including moslem's world).

          I'm a moslem living in Indonesia where about 200 millions non-Arab moslems of its 24o millions citizen live. Yes, we are, in fact, the largest moslem country in the world. Islam came to the region through peaceful inter-continental trades with (also non-Arab) Indian and Chinese moslems.

          Almost 10% of our people are Christian which, by the way, brought to our country by the Ducth's centuries of bloodsucking colonialism. This fact does not, in any way, demote our fellow Christians' role in all aspects of our livelihood.

          It is not that there is no inter-religions tension whatsoever in our society as we also have bigots on both sides. But to say that moslems do not speak out against redical Islamist and terrorism by mainstream is just inaccurate.

          We despise radical Islamist so much that suicide bombers' body remains had been rejected to be brought back and burried in their hometown cemeteries. Most if not all prominent home-grown terrorists had been executed or gunned down by our anti-terror agency by the help of our people. You might also like to know that our moslem clerics along with their international counterparts had ruled terrorism as un-Islamic and considered the act a capital sin since long ago.

          And it is not that we draw the line to show our sympathy or sensitivity to our Western brothers and sisters (mind you, as also true in Indonesia, most radical Islamist victims throughout the world are moslem) BUT it is simply because such destructive and brutal act is factually and clearly condemned in Qur'an by God Himself (not our exclusive God but, as moslems believe, the One God of Christian (the Father) and of Jew and even of all monotheistic religions as referred to as The Creator of Universe).

          If you so kind enough to spend your precious time to get information about the true teaching of Islam from the genuine source (Cordova Foundation is clearly a good place to start with), you would certainly find that the religion is so ethically strict that even how a moslem fights his/her battle is regulated.

          It is, again, understandable that the citizen of such a great nation as the US should miss out the less than grand realities of the worlds beyond its border; not to mention the poisoning of the agenda-driven US media coverage where you undoubtly got those dramatic images of those moslem women proudly saying death to the infidels.

          Oh yes, I saw those similar images just hours after 9/11. BUT, I right away see the irony there. Those women you saw might just be those Palestinian widows who not only had lost their husbands but also their sacred possession of homes by the Israeli settlement. I also strongly suspect that they were merely peasant people who might never even digest such an education considered basic in your world.

          All that they might know was that they had been suffering sheer injustice and nobody in the world seemed to care. And they did not have to be rocket scientists to realized that the US is to blame for impotent UN resolutions against zionist misbehavior.

          So I understand their ignorance as I understand your obliviousness. But you are the one who have every resources in the world to find the unconvinient truth; that there is an evil force working behind the scene.

          May God bless Mr. Ron Paul with health and long life so that I got to see him as the President of the US. Amen.

          P.S. The Chinese Moslem who brought Islam to Indonesia happened to be the man said to discover America long before Columbus did, Zheng He.

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      2. TruthSeeker

        "Radical Islam is the face of all Muslims???????????????????"
        Great Mark! Following your line of logic, by extension we could also say the following:

        Radical Christianity is the face of all Christians.
        Radical Judaism is the face of all Jews.
        Radical Whites are the face of all Whites.
        Radical Blacks are the face of all Blacks.
        And so on. Why not?
        Eventually we will have a world full of wars, hate, and tension.

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        1. mark

          TruthSeeker you should be known as lie spreader. Again you did not read what said, instead you twisted the words. It's has become clear you lack basic comprehensions. You are trapped in some fantasy world you make wild accusations about things of which you have no idea. You must have been dropped on your head as a child numerous times. Read your own post you blame Jews and everybody else. You have no proof of anything you have said. I guarantee that the media world would be reporting the facts that you claim to be true. They would never let it go and would go out of their way to blame Bush and the United States. You spew nothing but lies and belong in a mental institution.

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      3. TruthSeeker

        Mark, this is what you wrote in whole:

        "Radical Islam is the face of all Muslims. The reason I say this is because when the so called good Muslims sit back and do nothing they are just as bad as the ones who commit the terrorist acts. It is not any different than the equal rights movement when so called white people sat at home did nothing while blacks were being discriminated against. If the whites didn’t speak out against racism nothing would have improved. The only thing we would have to show for it would be more graves.

        In order for evil and its followers to succeed good people have to do nothing. So if good mu slims do nothing as they are, then they are no better than the terrorist."

        The key statement in your post is the first sentence…"Radical Islam is the face of all Muslims.” Am I lying or making things up? All you did is gave an explanation of why you think so, which explanation did not hold water. Your views in essence are exactly those of others in your camp which is trying to say the same thing you are uttering: that all Muslims are radicals because Islam itself is radical and there is no difference between Muslims. It is similar to the logic of “kill them all and let God sort them out.” You did not rectify what you said. If you think you made a mistake or mis-stated what you meant to say, then say so and it is over. I judged your views; I did not judge your character. You did the opposite. Your character assassination style is well-known to most of us when someone like you becomes bankrupt of reasonable argument. If I were to stereotype you, I would see you fit perfect for a Zionist Jew or Christian who is defending the State of Israel and continues to bash anyone who is trying to point out that 911 was a Mossad conspiracy. After all, it was not my idea to advance that theory; it was the idea of many independent Jews whom I must respect for standing out for the truth. If you simply disagree with that and you have a counter argument, then come on with it. If you do not, then stop acting like a child with tantrum when she does not get what she wants. You might be a nice person in life, but your style is definitely rude, abusive, and out of whack.

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        1. Mark

          Here is your problem you take one sentence out of a paragraph. Without the whole paragraph you miss the meaning. Let me break it down for you. There are approximately 2.1 billion Muslims in the world. That is 2,100 million (2,100,000,000) people I have not seen millions come out and denounce the actions of the terrorist I have not seen thousands, I have not seen hundreds nor have I even seen dozens speak out against these terrorist.

          Taking that into account they either agree wholeheartedly with the terrorist or they care nothing about anything that happens to non Muslims. I have seen them on the internet and TV rejoicing the 9/11 attract. Thousands of them from almost every Muslim Nation.

          Unless the so call good Muslims stand and speak out they are facilitating the Islamic Extremest. As I said: In order for evil and its followers to succeed good people have to do nothing. So if good Muslims do nothing as they are, then they are no better than the terrorist.”

          Their lack of respect for the non Muslim dead and compassion for those who survived and those who lost their loved ones speaks volumes. Your claims that 9/11 was a Mossad conspiracy is ludicrous. As for character assassination you are a pro. You even attacked George Washington's character a man who has been dead for two hundred years.

          It has become oblivious that you will never find the truth because you can't get past these conspiracy theories. I absolutely do not believe in fight in the name of any religion. Any one who does is a fool. if there is a God he does not need help from man to do any thing. Also in my opinion I believes that forcing their religion down your throat makes it a false religion. I do know in the Bible God wants you to come willing lee. I don't remember any religion I've studied but Islam that believes that. I do know that man has committed atrocities in the name of every religion both current and ancient.

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      4. TruthSeeker

        By now I must be feeling guilty that most of us are missing the point on this blog. The point is that by hashing and re-hashing the subject, we are all falling into the trap of diversion. Our problem is not the ground zero community center (mosque). We have hundreds of other more important issues that we could be talking about and investing our time and energy in discussing. The fact that we are not is a saddening one. However, as last word on the subject, I would like to say the following:

        If we want the Muslims to apologize for 911 and respect the victims feelings by withdrawing their planned project we must first prove that they (the Muslims) did 911. So far we have an official story that took us by the shock and owe which we all experienced and had not a chance to assimilate the facts. All serious attempts by the 911 truth movement to investigate the truth were thwarted and diverged. Many of the victims’ families went public and protested the willful cover-up. There are thousands of questions about 911 that have gone unanswered. The answers to those questions are either destroyed evidence or classified intelligence information that we are not allowed to see for few decades to come. Some people think it is just convenient to forget about the whole thing and just believe the official story. Sure if that is the end of it. The fact though is that 911 never died out. We continue to live it and re-live it in various forms of aggressive and unjust wars, in form of deteriorating economy and grand theft bailouts, in form of infringement on domestic liberty and civil rights. 911 has changed all of us and made us suspicious of one another. It fostered hate, division, and fear among us. It continues to drain out our energy in useless debates like the one on this forum.

        How could it be fair if one of us is accused of committing a crime, and others continue to demand a confession of him and apology when he did not commit the crime? I see the ground zero hoax as a manifestation of this scenario. We are basically saying that Muslims did 911, that all Muslims must come out, admit guilt, and apologize for doing it on behalf of the ones who actually “did it.” Even further, we expect all Muslims to stay in their closet forever and live in fear and intimidation. This is flat out outrageous. This is nothing short of oppression. Yes I do believe in accountability, respect of others, and justice. I even call myself as well as all humanity to stand up for what is just and right even if that goes against one's own interest. So if you want the Muslims to do what you expect them to do, then PROVE FIRST THEY DID 911. We are innocent until proven guilty. This is the spirit of our law and the fabric of our morality.

        As for conspiracy theory intimidation propaganda, call it whatever you want. Conspiracy is a term we use in our courts everyday to say that someone willfully plotted and schemed a crime or a violation. “Theory” is another word that we heavily use in science and most of what we claim to know today is called "scientific theory." The funny thing is that the official story of 911 is nothing but a theory…a very flawed one. If someone in authority is accused of plotting the crime, we become too hesitatant to point it out knowingly that out political history is full of people who committed crimes and schemed them. We have scandals of treason, espionage, murder, blackmail, theft, embezzlement, and you name it all the time. The ones who want us to blind fold over that are the true enemies of the Constitution. In fact the spirit of the Constitution is nothing but to protect against the tyranny of the government. Please hear it loud: NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. No one can walk away scot-free if there is a reason to believe that he or she committed a crime. The fact that someone is in office or has a badge is not a bailout from accountability. In sum, I say this is our problem in America. We let so many wrong things overtake us and subjugate us to increasingly worse conditions because we never challenge the assumption that the government can do no wrong. That got to stop if we expect any meaningful change. Thank you all and I hope this will be my closing statement on this forum reagrding this issue.

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  14. jim

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    Why was his post hidden? To deny what the Quran teaches is being foolish. Paul, don’t preach to me about what the amendments say when the amendments are controlled by a lefist aclu and socialist dominated congress and house. You can sound logical but miss the target. Islam is a political tool to bound people to a radical ideology of Mohammad. One fellow on the board said our God is the same. No HE’s not. My God has a Son named Jesus. Allah is not my God. I thought Paul was against abortion. Is that sensitive Paul?We conservatives allowed that issue to become a non issue. Look where it got the unborn child. In the hands of leftist atheist and other unrepentant sinners. InThe womb of the Arab man and woman was born a religious zealot with the murderous intent to force the world into submission, and his legacy still enslaves the minds and souls of millions. Don’t tell me about fighting for freedom when the muslims allows the imans to rule over their families without impunity. Look at the facts not idealogy. It’s not Islamophobia that
    s the problem. It’s the reality of what they allow in their countries…leaders and Imans….and the lack of humane justice. You want to win elections Paul? Then talk straight and quit lecturing about the idealogies of amendments and the constituion. We have already lost that war. The ACLU rules this nation thru courts and judges. We all lost when we did not stop the killing of the unborn child and push the aclu into the sea! good day…
    I rewrote to correct some words.

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    1. Yousef Abed

      Jim, I doubt you have ever in your life picked up a Quran, stop spreading messages of hate because of your own shortcomings. Your thinking is not only dangerous to Muslims but also dangerous to all Americans.

      Although you do have a point with the Imans ruling over families that is no different then the Right-Christian Evangelicals that worship their pastors.

      God gave you a brain and gave you the ability to learn, you should be educated yourself and forming your own opinions not spreading hate while sitting behind your computer screen.

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  15. fred the protectionist

    *takes a step back*

    Wow, look at all these thumbs up, thumbs down and posting going on in this topic. The cheap-foreign-labor-exploiting-globalists are stripping America bare of it's industrial capacity (middle class) and the most popular topic is one building.

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  16. Carolina Peluso

    How kann he said that is Al-Qaida responseble for the 9-11.
    Everybody know it was an inside job.
    Is mister Paul a puppie too?????????

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  17. Concerned at the Prejudice Shown

    If I read the controversy correctly, a parallel would be to disallow any Christian churches or community centers in Oklahoma City because a Christian, Timothy McVey, bombed the federal building there.

    It is not often that I agree with Ron Paul -- I'm not sure I ever have in past, but in this case, I agree with him. Let's get off the mosque issue and deal with real problems.

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    1. fred the protectionist

      Another Ayn Rand cultist Godhating Roonulan chimes in.

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  18. mohammed ali farha

    Is your God different than mine?
    My faith believes in the Old Testament, New Testament, and the Quran.
    Jesus who fast 40 days and 40 nights; meaning that he did not eat or drink anything so he could show his faith and love for God.
    Ramadan is similar to the fast of Jesus/Isa but it comes from the revealing of the Quran to the Islamic faith.

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    1. fred the protectionist

      "Is your God different than mine?"

      There can be only one "God" in monotheism, and the answer is yes.

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  19. Billy Singleton

    Obama speaks out in defense of building the mosque and Pelosi sounds off about investigating those against building it. The American people are accused of islamaphobia, hate, etc. Where is Obama and Pelosi in defense of Christians who are regularly having their freedom to freely exercise their religion trampled on by activist judges, anti-theists, and the liberal machine in their crusade to destroy cross-shaped monuments, ten commandments statues, etc.? There is religious persecution out there, but the primary victim isn't Islam. There's really nothing that can be done to stop the construction if the property owner and city regulations allow it. You can be outraged and believe that the radical muslims are building a monument to a victory if you wish, but really, I think there are more important issues that should be getting this attention. Afterall, do you really think the ground is hallowed and sacred? It wasn't a temple, church, etc that was destroyed there, it was a -world trade center-, a structure of greed and world government. Before you say it, no, the fact that a lot of people died there doesn't make it sacred or hallowed ground either, unless you believe in mysticism and the occult, and if you do, all the earth is hallowed by now, as blood has been spilled everywhere. Thank you.

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  20. Alex

    We're always being sensitive to anything that might offend Islam. Whenever Islam offends us we fight with each other over whether or not we have the RIGHT to be offended. We all have the right to be offended, just as non-Muslims offend each other every day. Muslims can claim that anything we do is offensive, but when we say ENOUGH and turn the coin we are called bigots, racists, ignorant, radical, or just plain dumb.

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  21. Orthodox Christian

    I wonder if Dr. Paul and many of the strict property rights adherents will change there thinking now that the Mosque/Commuity Center may receive public funding?
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67Q5BW20100827

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    1. Etaoin Shrdlu

      Well, that depends. If you are proposing that no religious based organization receive such assistance, that's one thing. If you're proposing that no Islamic organization receives assistance, that's something else. Here, too, the First Amendment's protection of the free exercise of religion, and the Fourteenth Amendment's requirement of equal protection of the law, apply.

      On the other hand, prohibiting all religious based organizations from receiving such aid would arguably satisfy the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. And we can start by eliminating school vouchers!

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      1. Orthodox Christian

        Etaoin,
        I haven't proposed anything. I found the article interesting and merely posed a question. Historically, it's not unfounded for government to fund religious structures.

        Our first Captial building was based in a Christian Church.

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  22. Landon

    Where is the outcry from Muslim leaders when terror attacks are perpetrated against English speaking countries or people? Many of you say that Al Qaeda and other terror groups are a very small minority, and that the rest of Islam is peace loving and completely against violence. I've heard the same things come out of the lips of countless Muslims here in America, and when interviewed elsewhere, but when the "minorities" kill people, Islamic leaders are completely silent on the fact, and the people of Islamic countries dance in the street. They don't do it publicly here in America, of course, because public opinion would quickly sway against them. These people aren't stupid, on the whole. They know what kind of lip service to provide the reporters. I have a really hard time believing that people making the claim that Islam really is a tolerant and peaceful religion, have ever read the Koran. If Islam wants to make a believer out of me, I need to see some action instead of just words. Until then, I'll just believe what I see.

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    1. Etaoin Shrdlu

      To Landon, posting on August 27, 2010 at 5:21 pm:

      Well, let's see. It's been widely reported that the people building Cordoba House have repeatedly denounced the 9/11 attacks, and terrorism in general. In addition, a quick Yahoo search found the following: "Muslim Condemnations of 9/11" - http://islam.about.com/cs/currentevents/a/9_11statements.htm.

      If you haven't "heard" Muslim leaders Islamic leaders condemning Al-Queda, it's because you aren't listening!

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    2. Jim

      Why was his post hidden? To deny what the Quran teaches is being foolish. Paul, don't preach to me about what the amendments say when the amendments are controlled by a lefist aclu and socialist dominated congress and house. You can sound logical but miss the target. Islam is a political tool to bound people to a radical ideology of Mohammad. One fellow on the board said our God is the same. No HE's not. My God has a Son named Jesus. Allah is not my God. I thought Paul was against abortion. Is that sensitive Paul. We conservatives alloed that issue to become a bon issue. Look where it got the unborn child. In the hands of leftist atheist and other unrepentant sinners. InThe womb of the Arab man and woman was born a religious zealot with the murderous intent to force the world into submission, and his legasy still enslaves the minds and soulls of millions. Don't tell me about fighying for freedom when the muslims allows the imans to rule over their families without impunity. Look at the facts not our idealogy. It's not Islamophobia that
      s the problem. It's the reality of what they allow in their countries...leaders and Imans....and the lack of humane justice. Yopu want win elections Paul. Then talk straight and quit lecturing about the idealogies of amendments and the constituion. We have already lost that war. The ACLU rules this nation thru courts and judges. We all lost when we did not stop the killing of the unborn child. good day...

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  23. frankenstein

    Just curious if any other religion has built a similar center in Yemen or Syria or how about two blocks from the stone in Mecca?? If so, do they receive love, respect and peace from Muslims??

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    1. LG

      who cares about mecca, yemen or syria? This is AMERICA, we do things a little differently here.

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  24. Ibrahim

    This is a quote from Pamela Geller, the chief organizer of the anti-mosque rally and a frequent commentator on Fox News regarding Muslims:

    "...it’s the Muslims who are dragging the rest of the world with them, in their genocidal dreams of annihilating goodness, creativity, production, inventiveness, benevolence, charity, medicine, technology, and all of the gifts of the Jews. Our goodness makes them ill." - Pamela Geller

    If there's any doubt regarding the role of old school hatred and bigotry in this fiasco, let's put that doubt to rest. Sean Hannity had a former-terrorist-turned-Christian on his program a few days ago detailing how all Muslims are terrorists and how there's no such thing as a moderate.

    I applaud Ron Paul maintaining his pattern of standing by his principles and his morality, a trait that is woefully rare amongst Republicans.

    As for those criticizing him, it seems the Fox-dependent have a general case of failure to understand spoken or written english. Nowhere has Ron Paul said he supports the mosque or the people building it - he's been clear that the building of this structure isn't relevant to him. What he opposes is the hate fest supported by politicians aimed at tarring all Muslims and Islam while opposing this structure.

    Ron Paul and Mayor Michael Bloomberg are about the only two people who've intelligently and morally taken precisely the correct position that any American leader should take on this matter. It is not the place of a political leader to dwell on the emotional and aesthetic haggling over the impact of a privately built structure on private property that seeks to break no laws.

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  25. Verbotene Gedanken

    Islam is not a religion. No real religion insists that those outside the religion be governed by their Religious Law (Sharia).

    Don't take anyone's word for it. Read the Koran, read the works of those who've lived and fled Islam. Islam is, at it's heart, Force not Love.

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    1. fred the protectionist

      You make a common mistake in assuming all religions are suppose to be "good things". Islam is a religion, all deism is by default a religion.

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  26. LG

    SIOA (Stop Islamazation of America) is a hate group and should be exposed for creating all this hysteria over this mosque. They are to muslims what the KKK are to black people, and they are the ones who have been running ads, spreading disinformation and staging protests over this center.

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  27. dawggirl90

    While many of your points made me stop and think about the issue, comparing the building of a soccer field missed the mark. The Muslim terrorists didn't kill 3000 Americans in the name of soccer, they did so in the name of Allah, thereby making their attack a religious reason. I agree completely that the group has a right to build there. Property rights, the Constitution...both should be upheld. However, I see nothing wrong with expressing the view that it is insensitive to build a mosque in this location. It seems everyday there is a new story out where this someone changed a tv show or cartoon or news story or march or gathering because it was insensitive to Muslims. We have to have footbaths available, service dogs can't ride in taxis if a Muslim is driving, and on and on. I see nothing wrong in turning the tables and demanding that this group be sensitive to the tragedy that was committed at this site in the name of their Allah. The groups absolute refusal to even entertain the idea of moving leaves more questions than answers.

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  28. Colin Killian

    Sorry Ron, you just lost a supporter. If you can't understand the rationale (no, it's not racism) behind opposing the location of the mosque, then I'll have to direct my support elsewhere.

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  29. Frank T.

    Your mention of Speaker Pelosi's call for an investigation of "funding for the mosque" was in error. She actually wants an investigation of funding for the TV spots against the location of the mosque.

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  30. sk

    This is partly a property rights issue, but if we look at it only as a property rights issue, we are missing some very important points.

    The imam of the mosque in question is not a peaceful proponent of bridge building and tolerance. First of all, Islam itself is not about bridge building and tolerance; it is about conquest, overt or covert, either is OK and according to the Koran it is acceptable to lie to infidels in order to further the cause of Islam.

    Second, have you read/heard quotes from this guy? He says one thing to the people and officials of N.Y.C. and then accuses the US of being terrorists because we killed some civilians in the process of retaliation for Pearl Harbor, equating that event to two airplanes flying into the Twin Towers and annihilating 3000 innocent people who were minding their own business and going about their jobs in peace time. Duh.

    It is apparently a custom (at least for radical jihadist Muslims) to erect a monument to their victory at the site of a successful conquest. They are sly and they are crafty. They don’t come right out and tell you that is what they are doing, but their own people know full well, and they are gloating. They are laughing at us because they are twisting our pious concern for “property rights” to support their bid to build a structure intended to humiliate us. These people do not share our value system! Get it?

    Which is more important, honoring property rights for someone out to kill you, or preserving your country’s honor and everything your country stands for and honoring the innocent 9/11 victims? Dialectically it may be a difficult question, but I know what my answer is.

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    1. Stumbler2001

      The choice you posit

      "Which is more important, honoring property rights for someone out to kill you, or preserving your country’s honor and everything your country stands for and honoring the innocent 9/11 victims? Dialectically it may be a difficult question, but I know what my answer is."

      is a false choice. By honoring property rights, and more importantly, religious freedom, we DO preserve our country's honor and everything it stands for. Your suspicions about the motives of Muslims are just that. Suspicion. Even if we accepted your suspicion as fact, which I do not, I would have a problem with this post. You seem to be saying that since "they" do not share our value system, that we should abandon those values ourselves. Doing that would be the REAL dishonor to America

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      1. fred the protectionist

        Wrong, the only loyalty a Libertarian has is to himself (which they define as property). By nature Libertarians are internationalists, they have no loyalty to any "country".

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  31. SW

    This situation is pointless. As Paul points out accurately. To oppose the building of it is to oppose property rights, oppose freedom of religion, oppose freedom of islamic speech and you oppose local and state government rights.

    To be in favor of this monument to the dead muslims who carried out the attack on 9 11 is tasteless, stupid, and often appethetic. But being stupid and tasteless while qualifying as a federal hate crime, should never be criminal.

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  32. Zipory

    Paul as usual uses his half truths and innuendos in order to pass on his infantile diatribes. Private property rights aren't the issue here and he knows it. No one disputes their rights to build on property they own nor their right to practice their religion on their property. What he is ignoring is the right of freedom of speech to oppose the Ground Zero mega mosque under the very same constitutional right.

    He obfuscates and rambles on as usual and there are many other half truths and innuendos in his post (as usual) but this is the most obvious . Hmmmm, let's think what's missing from this post? Yeah a conspiracy!!!!!! What else????? The Zionists are to blame! :)

    The guys last sentence really expresses who he is very well " Political demagoguery rules when truth and liberty are ignored. "

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    1. Stumbler2001

      Nowhere does Paul advocate taking away anyone's first amendment rights. The right to free speech does not protect you from criticism, however. Those opponents of the project who are seeking ways to ban it, do not, and should not, have that right. Muslims are guaranteed the same freedom to worship as they see fit as Christians. There are multiple churches within blocks of Ground zero. There are many secular businesses. The people opposed to this are worked up because it is Islamic, and they equate anything Islamic with evil. They have a right to this opinion, as pig headed as it may be. The line they must not be allowed to cross is to use these beliefs to suppress the rights of their fellow Americans.

      If you want to be free, there is but one way; it is to guarantee an equally full measure of liberty to all your neighbors. There is no other.
      Carl Schurz

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      1. fred the protectionist

        I'm up for a Constitutional Amendment to ban Islam from being practiced, and muslims for immigrating here.

        Who's with me. :)

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  33. somebody

    I don't get Orthodox Christian argument that because it's "holy ground" that we cannot build a mosque there; aren't there strip clubs and bars in the same area? If it is really holy ground then there should be at least a mosque there considering the Muslims that died in the attacks.

    And coming from a military family, I just want to say that I am absolutely ashamed of Orthodox Christian and all the other people out there that encourage this rhetoric on Islam. Islam did not attack us. Muslims did not attack us. A specific group called Al Qaeda attacked us and we shouldn't even call them Muslims because they are not. And to say that Muslims attacked us, and further to say that our brave soldiers are overseas fighting Muslims, is Unpatriotic and just plain stupid because there are more than a billion Muslims in the world.
    People don't see that whenever we say Muslims attacked us we are feeding into the propaganda of the terrorists. They want us to be at war with Islam. Then they have a pool of more than a billion people to get recruits from. We need to make it crystal clear that we are NOT AT WAR WITH ISLAM, because if we don't we are making our soldiers' jobs that much harder and dangerous.
    And last I checked, this country was founded on SECULAR principles, not Christian, Judea, or any other religion. People forget that a good portion of Enlightenment Philosophers were not even Christian and instead deists like Locke, Jefferson, Roussea, Ben Franklin etc.
    We should be trying our best to be friends with Muslim majority nations. Especially countries like Turkey, which is actually our BEST FRIEND IN THE MIDDLE EAST. How do people forget this? Also, instead of drawing up plans with Israel to bomb Iran, we should instead try to help the people there get control of there government. After all the majority, and youthful, population in Iran LOVES AMERICA! Why would we want to mess that up by making them think we are at war with them and their religion?
    Stop the hate, please, if not for the sake of being right morally and spiritually, for the sake of strategy because the more we alienate Muslims, the more danger there is for us and our brave soldiers.

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    1. Orthodox Christian

      Hi Somebody.

      Well. I certainly DO NOT support the strip clubs. As a matter of fact, the United States is the #1 exporter of pornography in the world, and this junk gets out to the Middle East. Muslims then see it and equate it is as a common American Characteristic. Are we all ready to protest this as well, or is this our right as a system of free enterprise? The way I see it. Some in this movement feel the need to stand up for Islam, which in many ways is scripturally detrimental to women, while at the same time feed into this semi-pornographic lifestyle that Hollywood, Facebook, etc etc promotes and then back it up by calling it "Freedom" yet these people do not understand that this lifestyle aslo angers and creates the response against Americans.

      Most certainly, Al Qaeda does not represent the entire global Muslim community, and that most Muslims aren't out to "get us." I know and love many Muslims. In fact, I try to love all of them. But this is neither here nor there. My love doesn't mean that I diffuse my beliefs (as I am sure none of you would want this), nor does it change the fact that building a Mosque at this location is also inappropriate. EVEN if the end game is to "build bridges." If that is truly the end game, then I support the end game. But I think there are better ways to do so, and I also do not support the idea of hiding behind the American ideals of "Freedom" "Property Rights" and place them in a vaccuum, especially since these attributes only work when equated with mercy, compassion, and the welfare (i.e Natural Law) of your neighbor. If the builders of the Mosque are Americans, they would understand this, no?

      In any case. Please forgive me. My mission isn't to hurt others. No do I condone banning or harraassment of any sort. I just seek a REAL common ground, not one forced down our throats, and backed by shame, hypersensitivity, political correctness, and guilt-reactions.

      Peace unto you all.

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  34. Dick

    RE:Orthodox Christian

    Abraham is believed by some people to be the founding patriarch of the Israelites, Ishmaelites, Edomites, and the Midianites and kindred peoples, according to the book of Genesis.

    Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Bahai are sometimes referred to as the "Abrahamic religions" because of the progenitor role that Abraham plays in their holy books. In both the Jewish tradition and the Quran, he is referred to as "our Father". Jews, Christians, and Muslims consider him father of the people of Israel. For Jews and Christians this is through his son Isaac, by his wife Sarah; for Muslims, he is a prophet of Islam and the ancestor of Muhammad through his other son Ishmael, born to him by Sarah's handmaiden, Hagar.

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    1. Orthodox Christian

      Dick - ok.

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  35. Dick

    RE:EC

    We have already forgiven

    - Germany (the entire country, ran the Nazi death, labor and internment camps and crippled most of Europe)
    - Japan (attacked us at Pearl Harbor)
    - Russia (Joseph Stalin ran a government that killed millions in Moscow)
    - Italy (A Fascist Ally of Germany)
    - China(an Ally of North Korea which 53k plus American died)
    - Vietnam (of which 55k plus Americans died for nothing)
    - etc. etc.

    Islam didn't attack us on 9/11. Fifteen of the seventeen of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Most were funded by elements from this country. But that is OK, because we are slaves to the Saudi OIL!

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    1. fred the protectionist

      If it weren't for Free Traders like Ron Paul, then we wouldn't be "slaves to saudi oil". Look in the mirror, it's your fault.

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      1. mark

        fred the protectionist, We really owe our dependency on Saudi oil dew to L.B.J. for taking us off the Gold and Silver Standard. Then along came Jimmy and he refused to accept that there was large reserves of oil off the East Coast. He rejected the National Geological Survey data three times and then banned drilling off the East Coast. Our money use to be redeemable from the Federal Reserve for silver and at one time for gold. Ownership of gold bullion was outlawed to prevent it from finding it's way to Germany in WWII.

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