152 responses to “Ron Paul: Audit the Gold!”

  1. GTXMAN

    Another assassination If he becomes a president?

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  2. TakingBackTheGOP

    REVOLUTION!

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  3. Citizen

    Its SIMPLE, but its not EASY.

    Our founding citizens pledged their

    “Sacred Honor, Fortunes and Lives”

    to defend TRUTH and LIBERTY.

    What we have now is CURRENCY FRAUD, a deception of the highest magnitude perpetrated against the people of this great nation. A government of Self-Serving special interests scheming against the majority of US.

    Gold Bless American and Ron Paul.

    »crosslinked«

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  4. MG42pillbox

    VOTE RON PAUL!

    /watch?v=DNu-6zr6ZmQ

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  5. MADE4FETTI

    THAT UGLY BUTCH SAD HE IS THINKING RADICAL!! FOX IS ONE THE BIGGEST PUPPET MASTERS IN THIS WORLD!! FROM THE SIMPSONS NWO MESSAGES TO FOX NEWS THEY HAVE THE SAME AGENDA!! WE DONT HAVE ALOT OF TIME HERE…………..TRAMP!!

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  6. isolator86

    do you seriusly think that they will allow this guy to be elected?? or to remove the Federeal Reserve?? they will kill him for sure before he does that

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  7. Heyokat

    Scream at them? No, they’d remove them. As for the gold, it’s probably sitting ten stories below ground in Switzerland.

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  8. Dfens

    I cannot fault Ron Paul with anything regarding this Federal Reserve gold fiasco. He has been truthful, as far as I can tell, with everything he has said. I, in fact, support a return to the gold standard. I think it is a good idea and has worked as a basis for monetary values for centuries. The problem is, you’re not getting the full story from Ron Paul, and you’re getting a lot of smoke and hot air from his minions.

    You can’t go to a gold standard with no gold. That’s a no-brainer. In order to cover the current amount of dollars out on the world market with an equal value of gold, we would have to have $15 trillion in gold reserves. At the very best, we don’t have $1 trillion in reserves and, as Ron Paul himself has told you, it is very likely we have much less than that. The Fed has not been audited for a very long time. They could have nothing but a dusty bunch of gold plated bricks sitting in Ft. Knox for all we know. We could go to a fractional reserve system, but we would be no better off than we are now. The current Fed is functionally a fractional reserve system, or they’d have no gold at all. We could cover every dollar with the gold we have, but at best in that scenario we would have rampant inflation which would result in bread being $2,500/loaf. These are not viable economic solutions.

    China has a national bank. It is wholly government run and not private at all. They practice protectionist trade policies against us and the rest of the world. Their economy has grown in double digits for the last 30 years. I think it is obvious that if we as a nation abandoned the “witch burning” rhetoric and the magical thinking solutions, we too could find a way to bring back our economy.

    I would start by realizing the Communist Chinese are not our bestest buddies, take “Most Favored Trade” status away from them, and reestablish tariffs on their goods at previous levels. I would trash NAFTA and the WTO agreements as Ron Paul has recommended, but I would certainly not replace them with a “unilateral elimination of all tariffs” as he has recommended. That would make the sucking sound grow lounder, and that’s not helpful. We don’t need more jobs flowing out of this country, we need more jobs right here and right now. We also need to make some common sense reforms on the way our government buys goods and services. They should not pay for a pig in the poke. They should pay for results, not process. That much is again, a no-brainer.

    Once we do those things and get our economic house in order and have a positive cash flow balance, then we need to invest that balance in gold and possibly some other commodities and go back to a commodity based money standard. We don’t have to have all our debt paid off to do that, but we need to have a positive cash flow to do allow our government to accumulate whatever commodities we are going to use to back our money. You can’t buy gold with debt and call it money. That’s crazy talk. You can buy gold when the country is making money, that’s reasonable and would probably help speed our recovery in getting out of debt.

    No pie in the sky. No scapegoats. Real solutions for people with heads on their shoulders. That’s what I want.

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    1. GB

      Your (erroneous) concern about the quantity of gold is allayed in paragraph 15 and following of the article in the link below. Read up.

      http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/how-to-return-to-the-gold-standard/#

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      1. Dfens

        That’s all crap, GB. No gold, no gold standard.

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    2. Libertarian777

      Dfens, well reasoned concerns.

      One thing I wanted to say is Ron Paul actually isn’t only talking about a gold standard. He knows (as you’ve pointed out) that you cannot go to a gold standard overnight. Obviously, as you pointed out, there isn’t enough gold to do that.

      But this is why he’s wanting competitive currencies to be allowed. Doens’t mean the Fed has to back each current dollar with gold, but you, and me and everyone else can be allowed to use gold coins as legal tender.

      The government isn’t even consistent in it’s stance. On one hand if you use a gold eagle (face value $50) to pay your employees (or for any other good), the IRS wants to tax you on the value of the coin ($1250). But if the government confiscates your gold eagle, they will give you $50 in federal notes (actually $42.xx which was the last set rate). Ron Paul wants to eliminate that kind of double standard.

      That way, when, for e.g. I go buy a car, I can tell the dealer, I’ll pay you 20 gold coins ($300 gold dollars) or $25,000 in FRN. I should have the choice. That’s all he’s asking for now.

      Even if we did go to a gold standard, my feeling is Ron Paul would want to follow the constitution and let each state coin its own money. He wouldn’t want the federal reserve or US treasury to hold all the gold in ‘safekeeping’, since again the problem of central government arises (who audits the gold!). He would probably let each state issue and maintain its own gold.

      If any state started debasing their coins it would quickly become apparent and it’s coin would fall out of favour. On the other the one place the federal government COULD get involved, is the actual true meaning of the commerce clause, where, for e.g. one state doesn’t accept another state’s gold coin. If the federal government certifies that state A’s gold coin is pure and not debased, then it can enact legislation to say that state B cannot reject such coin as payment.

      Overall I do agree with you though, that no one should follow anyone (even Ron Paul) blindly. That’s what scares me about the ‘Tea Party’ movement now. It’s gone from a grassroots movement to a right wing movement. People wanting to burn koran’s etc. It’s typical in times of economic crises to look for scapegoats. Be they immigrants, foreign cultures/beliefs/religions or just someone who doesn’t look like you. Hitler (although he’s all to often invoked) scapegoated the Jews. While the German population was blindsided with that, he consolidated more power.
      Hugo Chavez is scapegoating the US, as is North Korea. Robert Mugabe is trying to scapegoat Britain for its economic ills (destroying productive farms had nothing to do with it apparently). etc. etc.

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      1. Citizen

        Libertarian777
        I posed the same question of Forest when he said that gold and silver coin ARE Legal Tender. They are NOT.

        And as I asked Forest earlier , “which is it?”
        The Government wants it both their way,
        Confiscate gold at it Face Value when they want it
        BUT in the mean time
        They prosecute and imprison those who might pay in face value, while demanding tax collection on the market value of the Gold and Silver.

        Damned if you do, Damned if you don’t
        The people are all CRIMINALS except for Congress

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    3. Citizen

      Point by Point
      Devaluation would be necessary to “adjust” the currency to REPLACE the Fed Res Notes. A exchange rate of 100:1 or even higher might be necessary. This assumes commodities would be devalued to match the new currency. A loaf of bread would be $0.20 cents a loaf not the the $1.50 to $3.00 a loaf it is now. Average home prices would drop, from $235,000 to $2,350. in new gold back currency.

      The $14 Trillion National Debt is nothing compared to the projected Unfunded Liabilities that have been written into law which is $110 TRILLION, a catastrophic number that represents 5 fold more money then exists in the entire world.

      ChiComs, are recent Neo-Capitalists converts who discovered how to exploit their oppressed peasant population. Mao’s “Peoples Revolution” succeeded at setting the Chinese people back some 200 years in economic standards. Only recently (last 15 years) have they learned how to use America’s consumerism to exploit their idle under utilized mass population, indeed Wal-Mart has been a champion at that exploitation. NAFTA and the WTO are gerrymandered solutions, a band aid on a bullet hole approaches to equitable trade
      But even this huge trade imbalance can’t last much longer, the dollar will collapse and the Chi-Coms, and others, will refuse to buy our Bonds and T-Bills.

      Like it or not, the FRN’s will soon be worthless and people will be forced to adopt alternate currencies as a store of value, gold and silver are the historical world default. But the Congress and the FED won’t allow Ron Paul’s “Competing Currencies” or “Allow gold and silver as Legal Tender”
      If you attempt to pay your bills with Swiss Francs or Silver coin, you are breaking the law and subject to imprisonment and fine.

      The US Government has THE monopoly on THEFT by currency manipulation and they HATE COMPETITION. The $110 TRILLION of unfunded liabilities are not paid for, they are simply STOLEN and RE-DISTRIBUTED to Government Entitlements and Crony Capitalists.

      Defensive tariffs and restrictive trade policies are the LEAST of our CONCERNS

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    4. Douglas

      What if the Central Bankers do not care if China takes over? China has already agreed to a ‘World Currency System’. The point I want to make now is that the Central Bankers are playing a game that they are not sure they can win. What if they lose control just like they did with Hitler?

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  9. RC365247

    I am British/Welsh but to my shame I once despised Ron Paul because of my blinkered outlook and misguided views! I now have nothing but admiration now for this giant of a man, dare I say a hero of our time!

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  10. Out9922

    Love Ron Paul

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  11. RVTHEQUEST

    The stupid blond Bitch said “I have been to the federal reserve and they showed me the gold “. I mean how stupid can this journalist be ? is she an accountant to know if the amount of gold she saw there was ok when she saw that gold?If this Is how smart journalist are in the US then we are not out of trouble in this world yet.

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  12. cocytus4

    ron paul 2012 money bomb already in the works! google runronpaul.

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  13. tatomuck18

    do you see people in the Federal Reserve flying planes into buildings and killing mass numbers of people??

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  14. tatomuck18

    Ron Paul is just a lieing cheating stealing politician scum just like all of them. He is only saying these things and promising them just to get VOTES! All of them do this. Once he gets elected, he will do nothing to help.

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  15. tatomuck18

    Were better off NOW then we were with the so called founder fathers way back then. At least now theres no more SLAVERY and JIM CROW laws!

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  16. GodHatesPortugal

    Gold bars in the reserve are fake…the Jews stole the Gold.

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  17. blackraider777

    who’s this ho?

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  18. Citizen

    The “Big Lie” is our Government has sold its citizen’s gold and now is smoking the printing presses.

    Alan Greenspan said:

    “in the two decades following the abandonment of the gold standard in 1933, the consumer price index in the United States nearly doubled. And, in the four decades after that, prices quintupled. Monetary policy, unleashed from the constraint of domestic gold convertibility, had allowed a persistent over issuance of money.”

    What part of this don’t we yet understand.

    End the Fed…. Use gold and silver, Ron Paul 2012

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  19. garrethdavis

    his little laugh at .37 really says it all

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  20. SkyBlueAugust

    She’s so sarcastic: “This is really important to AVERAGE Americans.” Like – who is she? Is the media ELITE?
    DO AWAY WITH THE FED, CANCEL THE DEBT THEY SAY THEY HOLD.

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  21. stevemcgee99

    Hey bitch – bring him back in 3 years, play the tape from this show, and see if he was right or not.

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  22. 7Solucion

    Where did this chik get her GED?
    There should be a minimum requirement b4 being allowed to speak to the Dr..

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  23. Citizen

    Hey Dfens,
    Now which is it…. “we have no gold” OR “we have 147 Million oz of gold”

    It can’t be both, well maybe it can be in your world.

    They way I see it, that 147 Million ounces of Gold belongs to the American People and should be PHYSICALLY distributed to everyone who has M2 money, cash, demand deposits (checking or savings) and cash equivalent accounts estimated to be $8.4 Trillion FRNs aka Fiat Dollars.

    Again Dfens, Which is it, Do have 147 Million ounces OR Not??

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    1. Dfens

      Amazing! The one time you won’t listen to what Ron Paul has to say. At the very most we have 150 million ounces and I doubt that number is correct to within a factor of 10. Even if we do have that much, it’s worth less than a trillion dollars even at today’s inflated prices. That ain’t spittin’ in the ocean compared with the number of dollars that are out there. It’s less than our annual federal government budget deficit and less than our annual trade deficit (thank Ron for that one). So what are you going to do, borrow some more money so we can go on a gold standard or socialize all the US gold mines?

      You’ve got to have gold to go to a gold standard. We don’t have gold. We don’t have silver. We don’t have sh*t. We’re broke. What’s the mystery? At this point we’re better off stockpiling steel, copper, and aluminum — because you can make weapons out of that and take someone else’s gold.

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      1. Citizen

        Defens,
        What part of DEVALUATION do you not understand?
        We are not talking a “factor of 10″

        Its a far greater factor, a FRN is worth only 0.0009 of a Gold Treasury Dollar
        The US Treasury is minting Gold Eagles in $50 Gold Dollar unites per ounce.

        Therefore the ratio is 147M*50 / 8.1 Trillion (M2 estimated base) = 0.0009
        A massive devaluation / DISPOSAL of ALL Fed Reserve Notes
        In exchange for Gold Treasury Dollars and an END to the FED

        The 0.0009 factor would be the common denominator for all FRN denominated assets. However the current “$50″ face valuation on the Gold Eagle is absurd since gold has a much greater natural rarity commodity value and would have to be set at $5000 / oz.

        Therefore at that exchange rate your $235,300 (avg home price) would become $21,351 gold dollars if an ounce of Gold became $5,000 Gold Treasury Dollars.

        Thus the current “Peoples” Treasury gold would be the new basis GOLD standard

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      2. GB

        Your (erroneous) concern about the quantity of gold is allayed in paragraph 15 and following of the article in the link below. Read up.

        http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/how-to-return-to-the-gold-standard/#

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        1. Citizen

          I liked the article, especially the point that gold coins should be minted and circulated by “weight” and not given face value.

          Thereby currencies and gold will drift toward their respective equilibrium states naturally and without Government coercions/manipulatoins.

          Ron Paul has sponsored a bill to allow “competing currencies” that would permit citizens to use the currency or commodity money that represents a secure store of value.

          The assumption being that the people would choose the most stable currency and discard the fiat paper. However a fundamental reform would have to be that “the people willingly reject government coercive subsidies”.

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        2. Dfens

          By your standard, we are on a gold standard now. I can buy gold bullion at market price for a given weight now. I can buy coins the same way. Whoo Hoo, we’re on a gold standard! Except this time it’s a gold standard for feeble minded. Now let’s start defining all our problems away.

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    2. Libertarian777

      The way I see it, Ron Paul is only advocating a gold standard as an INTERIM step, to stop runaway government spending and debasement of the currency.

      His vision is competitive currencies. One can be backed by gold, another by silver, yet another by platinum or palladium.

      But each of us has the CHOICE of which currency they wish to trade in.

      Even if there is a gold standard, Ron Paul would NOT advocate the US treasury storing all the gold backing the notes in Fort Knox. He’s against centralised control.

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  24. Machine2063

    Honest lovable straight shooter RON PAUL! The do it all representative that fights the good fight and never gives up!

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  25. havoc092

    What was done under roosevelt is that they manipulated the public, took their gold, then it was sold cheap to bankers after which Roosevelt bumped up the price of gold and then these guys made a killing selling and reselling gold and silver as it happens, with each twitch of Roosevelt’s manipulation of the prices. The elite stole from the American people and then got rich selling what they stole – under color of authority. IMHO, that’s what’s about to happen again.

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  26. matrixman609

    they bring ron paul on to try to make look crazy, but all he ends up doing is turning the tables on them by speaking the truth!

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  27. M3minusGrowth

    The US Federal Reserve Bank is the largest Terrorist Organization in the World. The US Federal Reserve is 100% a privately owned and operated business. Why not sell War Bonds instead of borrowing money from a privately owned institution US Federal Reserve? If Americans really wants to go to war to steal natural resources from developing nations they can but War Bonds.

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  28. jimberkt

    If Ron Paul made clear that his policies would prevent rich people from staying rich for generations he would get a lot more support.

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  29. infokemp

    Its not if there is gold but what it is being used for.

    Ron Paul is right but he needs to ditch like a rock into a sewer these 9/11 liars (truthers) there are some evil people behind them who just want to gain power by using the 9/11 (question of how the towers where destroyed, should we not consider that since the Binladens build & demolish buildings they would not know how to bomb the twin towers as well as the plane strikes).

    We should produce to the maximum social benefit.

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  30. Gabe Molstre

    I have a question about inflation vs debt and was hoping a fellow Austrian Economist could help me out. I constantly listen to Ron and Peter Schiff as well as read Misses and Rothbard but am slightly confused as it relates to how the inflation problem on the horizan corresponds with our personal debt.

    If hyperinflation or very strong inflation is on the way… yes we want to own commodities but why not submerge ourselves in debt (maybe even to purchase more commodities)? I understand everything comes with a risk … but I am confused when, for instance, Peter Schiff promotes buying gold and silver but says stay away from home ownership and debt. If hyperinflation was to hit… and 100k was then worth a loaf of bread… a 100k fixed interest rate mortgage on a rental property may be a good thing right?

    Now if we consider hyperinflation doesn’t set in but we get strong inflation.. how would it work out? I agree that home prices still have a ways to come down, but who cares if I’m not selling for 20 or 30 years. By that time the value of the dollar would be much less and so would my debt on the home. Yes the home market is screwed up and still higher that true market values but when we start experiencing strong inflation… all prices go up right ?

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    1. GB

      Have pondered this myself. Am not strong on LvM, but…

      On the one hand, it seems that locking in a fixed (mortgage) payment has the effect of keeping stable the cost to the purchaser, and inflationary policy would devalue the debt like you say.

      On the other hand, it was the advent of stretching out the ownship of a home to 30 years, i.e. the mortgage (among other things but for this discussion, mainly), that drove up their prices; the easy credit enabled after 1913 can be blamed for this.

      Perhaps Schiff eschews debt as a matter of principal.

      Sorry if I sound convoluted or elementary.

      Cheers

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    2. Libertarian777

      Hyperinflation is NOT EQUAL to high inflation.

      High inflation = increasing prices.

      Hyperinflation = loss of faith in the currency.

      High inflation can be caused by (persistent) increases in aggregate demand, or supply side shocks.

      Hyperinflation occurs when the ‘market’ for a currency turns on its head overnight. When no one believes in the ‘full faith and credit’ line anymore, that’s when hyperinflation will occur. It’s like in 2008, how ‘liquidity’ (cash) was freely available up to a point, then literally overnight all overnight funding was stopped cold (see Lehman Bro, Bear Stearns et al). Up until that very day that overnight funding was stopped for these companies, it still seemed like they would pull out of the crises fine (with some losses).

      Much like the US government right now, looks like it will be fine with its high debt load, high deficits. Until its not.

      Remember, each 1% interest rate increase increases the INTEREST on national debt by $280 BILLION a year (roughly). And don’t kid yourself, the government HAS to roll over 100% of its debt. So while Bernake et al are trying to say its still ok (ie. believe in US T-bills and treasuries), and the US Treasury can borrow at low interest rates, the national debt is being racked up to a tipping point where even at 0.25% interest, will consume most of the budget.

      Imagine you have a credit card with $1m you owe on it. Even at 0.25% you owe $2500 a year in interest.
      What if you only earn $7500 a year, but spend $1m a year. To ‘prevent default’ the bank extends your credit line to $2m, also at 0.25%.
      After another year you now owe $2m, $5k a year in interest, you still only earn $7500 (your interest payment has now gone from 33% to 67% of your income).
      Now imagine if you interest rates goes up to 2.25%
      All of a sudden your interest bill is now $45k a year. And you’re still earning $7500.

      Is the bank still going to list your account as a ‘AAA’ rated loan? You’ve given them your ‘full faith and credit’ statement as collateral.

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      1. Citizen

        Libertarian 777

        I’d suggest that its not even that complicated….
        A simple tests is that most Americans have NO SAVINGS because the currency inflation makes it impossible to save for a rainy day.

        We have been FORCED to Live on CREDIT and we live paycheck to paycheck. A condition similar to a farmer being forced to eat half of his spring planting seed every year in hopes that next year will be bumper crop. But one bad crop year and he’s wiped out and so are we.

        As a debtor nation, we’ve eaten ALL of our spring planting seed and are now reduced to begging our world neighbors for their planting seed.

        The FED has us, the American Citizens, just where they want us, as feudal serfs living from hand to mouth on the land and property they’ve mortgaged to the hilt.

        Just examine the small American farmer being squeezed out by Big Agra Business with lucrative CARTEL relationships with Big Government. Monsanto is leading the way to a total monopoly on the hybrid seed market where EVERY farmer MUST buy Monsanto seed or else risk law suit and ruin.

        Hugo Chavez and Barrack Obama are a great team, squeezing the last remaining wealth from the nation to create the Perfect Totalitarian State.
        Stalin did the same to the farmers in Russian in the 1920′s and millions died.

        How soon we forget the history of Socialism’s Dismal Failures and we are so willing to repeat them again.

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  31. connorqb17

    Simply in a free market, or any market, when a recession or depression starts, just lower government spending, and lower taxes on the people, so more money can be spent on the market. But remember, key is lowering both spending & taxes, so you dont print money you dont have causing lowered value of the dollar. Plus, Ron Paul is correct, we do need a gold standard again.
    RON PAUL 2012!

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  32. onetondrumbum

    You know some of these anchors just look like fishes out of water. I mean the more sense this guy makes the more you see these anchors respond with” but.. but.. but.. but. if they were just play devils advocates it would be one thing, but they aren’t, they are clueless.

    Ron Paul :” 2+2=4″
    Host: “but, but.. but.. but…”
    Ron Paul: “Let me try this again since I got too technical for you, 1+1=2″
    Host: “but, but.. but.. but…”

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  33. lossless

    This Fox News twit says she has been to the New York Federal Reserve Bank and “they show you the gold.”

    Whose gold did they show you, bimbo!

    The New York Fed holds the gold of more than 100 foreign countries and international organizations (e.g. International Monetary Fund).

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  34. IRISHBUDDAFILTH

    Has anyone noticed that during the race for the White House ’08 that alot of the “mainstream media” and alot of politicians made fun of the good Dr. about the fed reserves and following the constitution but now they are talking about it? If obama was smart he’d apoint Dr. Ron Paul to a high position or follow his advice!!!

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  35. M.Janmaat

    I am a guy from Holland, and tracking the events that are happening in the USA and worldwide for a several years now. I am really glad to see that the people are waking up and understand that there is an elite group controlling all the key positions in government and banking kartels(read FED), and also the mainstream media that is trying to keep the people from the truth.

    I’ve been researching the US (shadow)government and their agendas, and the banking system as well. It went wrong in 1913 with the FED act. by the run for presidency by Woodrow Wilson.

    There has been many staged/false flag operations to push their goals of world domination in the hands of the few(NWO), taking away our freedoms step by step under the pretext of “security”(also in Holland, EU). History repeats itself over and over again, but NOT anymore!!!

    I am convinced that “we the people” will defeat the current regime, and change it to something good. Ask questions , demand answers!

    Good luck and love to u all,

    M.Janmaat
    from Holland

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