Show: The Thom Hartmann Program
Host: Thim Hartmann
Date: 08/27/2010
Transcript
Thom Hartmann: Arguably one of the most conservative guys in politics is Ron Paul, or at least libertarian. He ran for president on the Libertarian ticket once and [is] the Republican Congressman from Texas. He’s been on this program a number of times and in the past we’ve debated issues or argued issues but I wanted to bring him on and congratulate him and have a broader discussion about some of the areas where we agree on the fundamental core values of America that I think are neither left nor right, neither Democrat nor Republican, neither Libertarian nor Socialist. Congressman Ron Paul, RonPaul.org by the way, the website. Welcome back to our program, Sir.
Ron Paul: Thank you, Thom. God be with you.
Thom Hartmann: Thank you. You took a very noble and courageous step when you contradicted not only your party but your son as well in saying that this so called ‘Ground Zero Mosque’… it’s actually a Muslim community center two blocks away from Ground Zero, the same distance as Starbucks and a strip club. There’s another actual mosque four blocks away, that this was being basically demagogued by people who were peddling hate.
Ron Paul: Yes, and I believe their goal was not only to peddle the hate but to justify the war. We have perpetual war, the global war, and of course, we have to have an enemy and the people have to be hateful of the enemy to be willing to die and sacrifice so much. And if there’s not a real good excuse, then the people don’t support the war. So they have to have hatred. I see, from my viewpoint, hatred of all Muslims. And we do know that the people who attacked us on 9/11 were Muslims but I think there’s more to it than that. I think it’s perfectly alright to address the subject of the danger of Al-Qaeda, which is a small number of people of the Muslim faith. And I don’t like blanket accusations and I believe that they were just trying to justify the perpetual invasion and occupation, and planning to go and attack the next Muslim nation, it’s totally unrelated to 9/11.
Thom Hartmann: Right. This would be not unlike saying that “David Koresh was a wackadoodle Christian therefore we have to declare war on the Christian countries. Let’s start bombing France tomorrow.”
Ron Paul: Yeah. The analogy I used was Timothy McVeigh. He was Christian and he killed a lot of people, and yet he doesn’t represent hardly any Christian and if there were some, I would say that they’re very confused about the Christian faith and I personally know a lot of Muslims. I’ve worked with them in the medical profession and they’re friends. And I just think through study and history, although people can cite violence in their religion, I think some can find that in the Jewish religion and the Christian religion too. There’s been a lot of killing. There’s a lot of killing in the Bible and yet that doesn’t mean that everybody endorses use of violence because if you want to go and look at all the great religions, usually you find very, very similar statements about love and peace, and no war, and I’d like to concentrate more on that.
Thom Hartmann: Yeah, me too. Congressman Ron Paul who’s on the line, www.RonPaul.org, his website. Congressman, in the Republican Party, in your party, there seems to be a scism. There’s certainly a big scism in the Democratic Party which we can also talk about, but you know your party better than I do. And I’m seeing, for example, Bill McCollum, the guy who just lost the Republican primary to Rick Scott, to run for governor of Florida. He now is refusing to endorse Rick Scott because Rick Scott basically bought the election with $50 million. The Citizens United decision of the Supreme Court that allows wealthy people, actually the Supreme Court knocked down the part of McCain-Feingold two years ago actually, that allowed wealthy people to self-finance on an unlimited basis during elections and thus we have Carly Fiorina and Meg Whitman in California. I’m guessing that the Libertarian side of you thinks rich people should be able to do what they want but what about the impact that this kind of thing has on democracy in a republic and your own party?
Ron Paul: Well, it’s the fact the government’s big and they can pass out so much is the problem, not to the fact that you can have an organization, you can spend your money any way you want. That is what I think is the problem rather than saying the right of corporations. Even corporations… See, I have trouble with that court ruling because I don’t know whom you work for but if you work for a corporation…
Thom Hartmann: I work for myself.
Ron Paul: Okay. But let’s say you work for the New York Times and the New York Times is a corporation. The New York Times, at least in the old days, newspapers could destroy a candidate and they could do anything that they want. They can endorse, bias the news, and everything else. But that corporation has different protection than say Corporation ABC that doesn’t have the so-called ‘the protection of freedom of press’. And I don’t think you should be able to divide people like I think rights should always be equal. So if the corporation on the radio and the TV, or a newspaper can do something up to the last minute, and slant the news, why shouldn’t other people spend their money in support or counteracting that?
Thom Hartmann: Are you suggesting that when the Fourteenth Amendment was written back during Reconstruction in 1874, in order to free black people, and it said that no person should be denied equal access under the law, equal protection under the law, that as proponents of… I’m sorry, my screen is flashing and it’s distracting me. I’m trying to organize this thought. That that means that corporations are persons and… I mean, this is the argument that was put forward by the railroad barons of the day that not they themselves, not Jay Gould and Samuel Huntington. Not they themselves but that their corporations were persons because it didn’t say natural person in the Fourteenth Amendment and corporations of course are artificial persons. They can buy land and they can be sued, and pay taxes, and things like that. Are you suggesting that you agree with that notion? That corporations should have the rights of persons?
Ron Paul: Well, I think the person who labels themselves a corporation would have equal rights whether they’re an independent business group or a newspaper company.
Thom Hartmann: But they’re getting special privileges. They’re getting tax breaks. They’re getting limitations of liability. They’re getting all kinds of things. Why should they be protected under the…
Ron Paul: Well, the tax breaks, I think everybody should have a tax break because I don’t think you have to pay for a tax break. I just…
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A once complacent population is becoming involved in government workings once again. Incumbant Republicans & Democrats are being retired as we are understanding it has taken members from both parties to act so incompetantly to bring us to the point we are now.
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I think you are getting him mixed up with Thom “I think there is significant evidence for the supernatural” Hartmann.
You see Ron Paul has an MD from Duke University School of Medicine while Thom Hartmann has a PHD in… Homeopathy (hahahaha) from…Brantridge (???).
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Ron Paul lol? he is so dumb its funny.
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Your republic isn’t serving its public for the time being. Unfortunately for the US of A Ron Paul is an exception not the rule. I believe that any president who wants to challenge the corporate puppeteers, should be ready to sacrifice his life because when you’re addicted to power which IMHO is the most powerful of all drugs, you’ll do anything to keep the euphoria going even if it means getting rid of presidents or crashing economies.
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lol
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He is pro private property. I’m sure he thinks it is incredibly offensive, but will not yeild to government discrimination to individual rights. NewYork has the right to challenge the property use as it is not unconstitutional to have them build it some place else if the city decides that spot would better serve the community in a better way.
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It’s amazing how Tom claims to be at one time a Libertarian, then can regress into a liberal. Most people advance in age, he is an acception.
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He is traveling the middleeast allegedly advancing promuslim relations with the US. He is also pro shia, & does not view hezbollah as terrorists. We are a REPUBLIC not a democracy as the liberal media & democratic politicians here would like the world to believe. I call them as I see them & there are some true scoundrels benefitting from a once complacent population. Obama is a 1 term President as many senators will be finding the door come november.
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Maybe you also didn’t know that that imam since 911 helped and is still helping the US government, he’s in a way a traitor in the eyes of the extremists. Look friend i’m not the one living in a democracy but when anyone is playing on people’s passions by blaming the -fill in the blank-, especially when the economy is in crisis, it starts looking like a very dangerous deja vu if you catch my drift.
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I hate Thom Hartmann with a passion but Ron Paul is a statesman.
Hartmann encapsulates both economic illiteracy and religious and mystical superstition (he has a PHD in homeopathy).
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I agree with Paul, but I think this is gonna hurt him big time in the 1012 primaries. I think he just should have said nothing. But then he wouldnt be Ron Paul..
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RON PAUL 2012 !!!!!
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The Imam has the legal right to build a mosque/community center, just as the state of NewYork has the right to see that property is used in a way that best suits the communities need. It’s dissapointing to see Ron Paul not acknowledge a property damaged by 911 as symbolic to those we are still at war with & discredit those who do see the symbolism. He is a true advocate for individual, & property rights so though I am disappointed I am not surprised.
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i think this man is a saint
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Where’s the rest of this
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“1955: You can sit on the bus, just not THERE.
2010: You can build a Mosque, just not THERE.”
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guys, not a mosque… its a community center with a couple of prayer spots. An actual mosque does exist 4 blocks away, and has been for a long time.
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Only politician with the balls to always tell the truth. Will the US have to collapse before the mob looks to him. By then it may be too late. Wake up America!
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I’m perturbed by the amount of controversy that gets publicized by the smallest things like steroids in baseball, gay marriage or this single mosque in NYC. The media is all over that yet they don’t want to cover the millions of people who die in the middle east because we’re there and the vast amount of our country’s wealth thrown out the window by our federal reserve. We’re going to wake up to find we’re broke one day with a lot of angry people around the world wanting a piece of us.
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I USED to be a Ron Paul supporter, but he lost me on this one. Turning a blind eye to evil will not make it go away, unfortunately. And the imam of the 9-11 Mosque is a scumbag, and everyone around him also. You are being played, they are using your tolerance against you, like they have been doing to the world for decades. The world is not all friendly. Some people really do want to kill you and want to eliminate the Western way of life. And others are enablers and useful idiots.
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It is tragic that his movement got hijacked by Beck. I would take a bullet for this man.
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The problem is that Ron Paul just makes too much sense to ever be elected to a higher office. Ask anyone in favor of the “wars” what the current objectives are and you get one of three answers: they don’t know, they parrot retarded horseshit, or they give you an overly complex answer that sounds good but is more akin to an explanation in a Star-Trek episode than anything in reality.
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I’m guessing but, had it been crazy Christians who attacked on 9/11, I believe religion would have never been mentioned in any of this. Also please note how the crazy people flew right over the Vatican on their way to the WTC. this is no religious issue it is a financial attack on free markets.
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I AM A RON PAUL SUPPORTER. NOW, having said that,…I don’t agree with him here.
I don’t find any muslambs denouncing sharia law, or protesting the terrorist who kill in their names. I don’t find this imam giving an interview, explaining all his peaceful programs for the community and cooperation with Christians to spread trust.
I find them condemning us for our emotions after a tragedy !..WHITH ALL THIS GUY IS CAUSING, HE WOULD HAPPILY MOVE LOCATION NOW!!!…IF HE WANTED TO LUV N PEACE !
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The CIA invented Al Queada, literally. They trained Yo Mamma Ben Fartin’, I mean osama bin ladin. What conspiracy theory? It’s conspiracy fact.
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Dr. Paul, I disagree with you making the comparison between Timothy McVeigh and the Islamic Extremists who caused 9/11. McVeigh, although a Christian, did not do it in the name of Christianity. Islamic Extremists, however, did it in the name of Islam.
I agree with him on everything else though. Actually he opened eyes on this mosque fiasco.
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islam is a sin JESUS is the way out
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let them build it
put a nude bar on one side
and a hog slaughtering plant on the other
and a gay church across the street
and synagogue behind them
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RP 2012
truth
LibertyPoet
website
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I agree fully that the al-Qaeda attack can, in large part, be traced back to previous foreign policy decisions made by Washington. However, the attack was made in the name of Islam and many prominent Islamists celebrated it on those grounds.
The vast majority of Americans support the right of Muslims to worship in peace but an almost equal number oppose the mosque in that location. These are not demagogues justifying war but caring humans that find a mosque in that location as an insult to those that were killed. This is a normal reaction. Calling those that feel this way “demagogues” is insulting.
If an extreme rightwing Christian sect bombed a site in the Muslim world and then a group of “moderate” Christians announced their plans to build a church with in a couple of blocks of the site, the project would be banned immediately and the worldwide support for that ban would come just as quickly.
The plans for a mosque near the site of the 2001 bombing is insensitive in the extreme and I am even more afraid that it is going to lead to violence and greater misunderstanding. This isn’t demagoguery, it is common sense.
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Ron paul is the man of common sense. It’s why I’m proud to support him
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I wish I understood why so many people think Ron Paul is looney. Every time I hear this guy he sounds perfectly normal. He has his philosophy. He talks about peace and prosperity. What’s so looney about all this??
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If it’s too good to be true, chances are it is. Ron Paul is apart of the illuminati, free masons. Google about it, he does the mason handshakes, and secret innuendos right infront of our faces.
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Hartmann is so two faced, Nice to Ron, but then demonizes his son. Prime example of the lying left.
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This mans wisdom can only be exceeded by his will and intellect.
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ron paul 4 pres
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yesterday A je-wish rabbi in isra-hell call for the “extermination” of pale-stinians ,the main media should cover it and all the crimes those zionist been doing nonstop for the past 62 plus years watch the reality azeera dot net
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Aljazeera?
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We need to be more tollerant, Ron have right, but WTC Mosque will be for the muslim world, as the Constantinopoli one after it conquest. We should not be hypocrit. They dont need to do a Mosque on WTC ruins that muslim terrorists teared down… but we can do a shared memorial involving moderate muslims against terrorism and extremism.
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i love ron paul, but 9/11 was an inside job
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Support state banking reform for all states! Lets join North Dakota in freedom!
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Don’t fall for the trap of Ron Paul. We revolt and they put FEMA camps to use. Stop consuming.
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where’s teh rest of it?
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9-11 was an iside job as well with the OK. city bombing. This is where I disagree with Ron Paul, but agree with pretty much everything else.
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Where’s the rest of this interview?
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Thom Hartmann is a shill.
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I had never been to ronpaul dot org before watching this. Ten dollar Ron Paul t-shirts? High five!
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Ron Paul is the the most principled man in the US government, I don’t agree with some of his ideas about deregulation considering the BP disaster and the financial collapse mainly due to risky unregulated derivative trading.
However, Ron Paul on foreign policy could not be more clear and perceptive. Wars need enemies to hate and this “non-troversy” about the Park 51 community center seems to be a perfect rallying cry for the bigoted war-mongers.
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Awesome video; typical factless sterotyping. The same foundation for the socio-economic warfare that has been waged and ongoing for at least twenty years in America, with its schisms in race, religion, or whatever as enemy scapegoats; free, constitutional, and democratic America always the ultimate casualty.
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Ron Paul, love him…Thom Hartmann, not so much.
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5:06 what a cocky dick
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