A professed Christian pastor in Gainesville, Florida, Terry Jones, plans to burn copies of the Quran on 9/11. He indicts all Islam for 9/11 and argues that it is a hate-driven religion. He’s convinced he’s on God’s side even though he is getting little support from other Christians, who believe that Jesus is the Prince of Peace.
General David Petraeus, our military commander in Afghanistan, strongly condemned Mr. Jones’ plan, arguing it would be provocative, make his fight against the Taliban in Afghanistan more difficult and further jeopardize the lives of American soldiers.
I agree! This blame of all Muslims for the atrocities of 9/11 only makes things worse — especially since it wasn’t the Taliban of Afghanistan that committed the atrocities on 9/11. Under Jones’ warped logic, we should have attacked Saudi Arabia since 15 of the 19 suicide bombers came from that country.
But while I am pleased to see General Petraeus recognize the danger of one type of incitement, he unfortunately fails to see the whole picture and understand that our policies of torture, targeted assassination, invasion of Muslim countries and unintended infliction of civilian casualties in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are also provocative. Pictures of victims of torture as well as innocent people killed by drones and stray bombs are every bit as bad as burning the Quran.
In some ways, what Jones is doing may be minor compared to the resentment toward us as a consequence of what our government has done to thousands of innocent victims.
As I have said time and time again, Osama bin Laden wins by ‘proving’ that America is an enemy of Islam and has an occupation agenda in the Middle East. And, we continue to walk into his trap and hand him up his best recruitment tool in his efforts to provoke hatred and terrorism against the United States.
If we don’t want to incite radical Islamists, we need to stop these un-needed wars. It is high time we came to our senses, brought our troops home to defend our country and pursued a Constitutional, Pro-American foreign policy.
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When I read some of the comments above it simply saddens me due to the willfully guided ignorance to one’s own cultural specificity and that of others. If one wishes to understand Islam, Islamic theo-political jurisprudence or Islamic history one must read the Qur’an, Sunnah and delve through a-Hadith and compare it to their answering of the simple question of how did Islam spread from Asia to Spain to come to “submit” over 50, once non-Islamic, Lands. There is a reason why Arabian Umayyad Caliph Abd al-Malik built a Byzantine engineered Dome and Mosque on the Jews Temple Mount with inscriptions of Islam’s Superiority over both Christianity: Christians and Judaism: Jews – “dhimmi”. Knowing that Jerusalem is never mentioned within the Qur’an indicates it being of no worth whatsoever toward Islam. The relationship is something entirely theo-politically fabricated and catered to by a-moral and ignorant “kufr”. Just as there are no “Palestinian” People or a “West Bank”. There is a reason why hundreds of thousands of Christians perished when Constantinople turned into Istanbul with the great marvel of Christian Engineering: Saint Sophia desecrated into a Mosque with thousands of Christians, including Emperor Constantine XI Palaiologos, died in hand to hand combat defending their Church from Mehemet II’s Jihad. There is a reason why the 6th century Visigoth Church of Saint Vincent was turned into “The Great Mosque of Cordoba”. There was a reason why Charles Martel fought Jihad at Tours, The Holy League at LePanto, the Austrian’s at the Gates of Vienna, why the Serbs fought at the Battle of Kosovo, why Vlad “The Impaler” Tepes fought Jihad and why Thomas Jefferson and James Madison built the first American Navy to fight Jihad off the coasts of North Africa between 1801-1815.
It is time to stop catering to this ultra-”Left Wing” Socialist rubbish and this mind numbing ultra “Right Wing” Libertarian rot and get back to what made this country the greatest this Earth has ever seen. Should any contest anything above I simply guide you back to the Islamic texts themselves and the realities today. Should the obtuse wish to make a comparison to the “Joos” and their Old Testament violence, the outcome is folly and easily dismissed. The Old Testament does contain many tracts of violence and stories of killing however each and everyone is ended within some moral teaching and moral foundation. Like today, those through their belief in the moral foundation of the West: The Ten Commandments were making war against Utopians, murderous Pagans/Cults and other more primitive savages solely within the specific lands of Canaan, “The Holy Land” or “Lands of Israel”. All those enemies of, and to, the Israelite are no more: Jebusites, Moabites, Canaanites, Philistines etc. and all examples afforded within the Bible are closed ended and very direct. However, within the Qur’an there are many open ended and pointed statements, positions and directives toward killing, murder, violence and other oppressive goals toward the Christian, Jew, Pagan (Catholic, Hindu, Zoroastrian etc. depending on translation or a-Hadith). There is no directive to the Jew to kill the Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist or Zoroastrian within the Old Testament however there are numerous within the Qur’an-Hadith. There are no “Ten Commandments” within Islam as there is no concept of “Love Thy Neighbor”. My advice is to forget listening Celente, Jones or Paul and start researching for yourselves into the foundational material themselves. One cannot understand the Constitution without reading it right? Regards SRA.
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Another Hate Monger here…..
I agree with you “one must read the Quran” and I am in the process of that now.
“WITH INSCRIPTIONS OF ISLAM’S SUPERIORITY OVER BOTH CHRISTIANITY: CHRISTIANS AND JUDAISM:”
I don’t think so, It show back word compatibility with Judaism and Christianity rather superiority.
If it was superiority then Muslim would’ve destroy the tomb of David but it is still intake with respect.
“KNOWING THAT JERUSALEM IS NEVER MENTIONED WITHIN THE QUR’AN”
How many times the tribes of the Israel are mentioned in the Quran? How many time the name Israel mentioned in the Quran? Do you that? In that area probably tribe was worth more than geographic location.
“THOMAS JEFFERSON AND JAMES MADISON BUILT THE FIRST AMERICAN NAVY TO FIGHT JIHAD OFF THE COASTS OF NORTH AFRICA BETWEEN 1801-1815.”
It is like saying Hitler was a Muslim too Holding Quram and screaming from top of his SS lungs.
It is like saying that the World war one was started and ended with Muslim haters.
It is like saying that the world war two was started and ended with Muslim Haters.
Come on now.. Who are you kidding? RP supporters? You’re in the wrong place and born and a wrong time too. you should’ve born at around 6:30 pm on 20 April 1889. You could’ve made a good twin brother for Hitler.
Chaw.
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Listen to a REAL Doctor, Dr. Ron Paul.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki9GAE1ZKRI
It makes me Proud to be an American. I tell ya.
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People here need to see a bit farther then the length of their noses:
Pictures of victims of torture as well as innocent people killed by drones and stray bombs are every bit as bad as burning the Quran.
Then you are turning a blind eye to Christians killed in egypt, ethiopia, nigeria and ivory coast. Not to mention the other islamic countries…
osama bin Laden wins by ‘proving’ that America is an enemy of Islam and has an occupation agenda in the Middle East
Really? Ever noticed that islam by quran defines the whole world as the dar al harb, the warzone, to be conquered by the hordes of islam.
Wake up and see what islam *really* is…
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We see further, and let me show you how further I can see.
Here are the Islamic guys in Afghanistan before our invasion; Yes- those pathetic Taliban.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/28709721/Taliban-crackdown-against-opium-poppy-cultivation-in-Afghanistan
How come these bad guys did a better job than NATO when it comes to eradicating drugs in Afghanistan? The longer the NATO stays the bigger the drug problem. Why is that?
May be this is why? http://stevenmcollins.com/WordPress/?p=3193
Why the Afghan wasn’t committing suicide attack against Russian when Russian Invaded Afghanistan back in the 80s? Why they do it now against NATO? Are you sure they are the one who is committing the crime OR is it the Blackwater?
If you say the Taliban are the one who’s doing all this than how do you know? Do you have any connection with the Taliban?
Come on now, your hate advertisement doesn’t work here. Do remember Ron Paul Supporters are not brainless. We are much educated; I believe each and every one of us here in the form can debate your most thoughtful one.
You have no other Agenda but to create Islam-phobia, that is all.
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I voted for Obama for several reasons. Especially after witnessing several of Bush’s decisions. His membership in the republican party had made me loose respect and confidence in the Republican party. I am independent though and would like to be. No matter what. I have listented to what Bush said and Obama said. Their promises. They are starting to look similar in terms of how they push government and war into our lives. We d*mn f*** pay the government to perform what we deem neccessary. Its f***ing wrong for government to tell us we need unless we are ruled by the very few. This country is starting to look like its heading to some kind of government ruled by a few individuals in washington. Fascism? No joke. Dead serious.
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Koerden wonen eeuwenlang voordat de Turken het gebied verovert hebben, en het oorspronkelijke Koerdistan hebben ingepalmd.
Hoe staat het met de mensenrechten in Turkije? Wat voor vrijheid hebben Christenen daar? Niet_islamitische minderheden worden nog steeds onderdrukt. In veel moslimlanden mogen christenen niet zeggen dat Christus de Zoon van God is, omdat dit een belediging is voor de islam. Worden de Koerden niet een beetje gediscrimineerd, zelfs ontkenning van de genocide? Waarom moet dat paspoort opgedrongen worden aan de Turken die zich wel aan willen passen in Europa?
Hoe is het mogelijk dat er zoveel anti_westerse Moslims helemaal door Turkije kunnen reizen en vrijwel onbelemmerd de grens met Europa over kunnen steken?
Het zijn altijd deze moslimlanden waar minderheden worden onderdrukt, die de grootste mond hebben over discriminatie! Laatst was er ook zo’n zgn ambassadeur van een moslimland ( Turkije), die wel even denkt te moeten zeggen, hoe wij hier in Nederland moeten leven.
De oorspronkelijke bewoners van het huidige Turkije hebben tot op heden geen Koerdische onderwijs, terwijl in EU politicus gastarbeiders Islam lessen, en Turkse Arabische lessen kunnen volgen, dat zelfs de Nederland staat ondersteunt en financiert, Vraag is waarom kunnen de 30 miljoen Koerden die in huidige Turkije wonen en de oorspronkelijke bewoners zijn van het land hun eigen taal niet mogen spreken, hun kinderen Koerdische namen geven, geen radio en tv uitzendingen in eigen taal volgen, is dit democratie? Turkije moet stoppen met de Koerden te terroriseren! En dat sommige ons durven vergelijken met gastarbeiders of migranten in Turkije?
Bovendien bestaan de essentiële problemen die een belemmering vormen voor Koerden in de huidige tijd uit de onderdrukking door Turkije, Iran en Syrië. Maar het is van levensbelang dat de onderdrukking ons niet ver van onze verantwoordelijkheden vandaan moet houden.
Binnen het zoroastrisme, de islam, het christendom en het jodendom is één overtuiging verantwoordelijk voor het feit dat individuele mensen worden opgeofferd op het grote idealen altaar. Het is de overtuiging dat diegenen die niet het desbetreffende geloof delen, ook niet delen in de menselijkheid. Immers, als mijn religie mij menselijk maakt, zijn al diegenen die mijn geloof niet delen, niet (meer) menselijk. De vrijheid van meningsuiting is ook een appèl om te keren tegen alle valse beeldvormingen van andere religies.
Maar Turken denken en leven heel anders: Niet lang geleden stonden de Turkse legers voor de poorten van Wenen. Het Turkse imperialisme is er nog steeds, alleen neemt het nu de vorm aan van sluipende immigratie en een Turkse overheid die zich actief met in het buitenland wonende turken bemoeit en de integratie ontmoedigt. De ramkoers van de Turkse overheid wordt steeds duidelijker.
Hoe deze gedachten binnen de huidige Islamitische organisaties worden toegepast, is een andere vraag en dient grondig geanalyseerd te worden.
De moslims krijgen zoveel ruimte in heel Europa en zullen steeds harder roepen tot er eindelijk grenzen bereikt worden.. en dan? Dan is er oorlog en daar lijkt Europa als de dood voor.
Het is voor Europa het beste om handels betrekkingen met Turkije te houden en voor de rest stoppen met praten tot toetreding. Die Moslims zullen altijd blijven draaien en dingen naar hun hand zetten. Het is een zeer Extremistisch geloof en gevaarlijk voor de mensheid en de Wereld, omdat door Geloofswaanzinnige Imam’s tot opstand wordt gepredikt. Die gevaarlijke gekken zullen eerst voorschut moeten, voordat een beetje normalisering mogelijk is.
We hebben zelfs niet zoveel rechten als de Moslims in Europa! terwijl wij de oorspronkelijke bewoners zijn, Mensenrechten in Turkije is Zero….
Wat met de miljoenen Koerden die door de Turkse regeringspolitiek gedwongen worden te verhuizen naar het EU landen en Turkse steden is weer vergeten. Niet alleen Koerden zijn slachtoffer van de repressie. Ieder- een die de Turkse regeringspolitiek bekritiseert, loopt grote kans op vervolging: journalisten, advocaten, mensenrechtenactivisten. Op deze manier maakt het Europese Unie zich schuldig aan negationisme. Nu heeft een marginaal deel van onze samenleving steeds wel een boontje gehad voor vormen van negationisme. Ook bepaalde lieden die zich socialist en Christenen noemen en dus bij uitstek begrip, zo niet sympathie, zouden moeten opbrengen voor de Koerdische volk. De wapenleveranties van lidstaten aan Turkije gaan onverminderd voort. Met die wapens wordt iedereen in het Islamitische Turkije en Iran onderdrukt…De NAVO-partner en het kandidaat-lid van de Europese Unie Turkije mag niet beledigd worden, zo blijkt uit de woorden van zwakke EU leiders. Een uitspraak doen over genocide, over de bezetting van eiland Cyprus, over de rechten van de Koerden, Grieken en Armeniers, Dat staat haaks op de resoluties van het Europees Parlement waarin de genocides, onderdrukking van de alle minderheden in Turkije heel expliciet erkend en veroordeeld worden.
Turkije laat keer op keer blijken de beschuldigingen en historische feiten niet te kunnen weerleggen en slechts met het gebruik van spierballen en het dreigen met economische en militaire sancties, landen die de uitspraken willen doen onder druk te zetten. Turken voelen zich heel sterk en dreigen nu al heel veel..De onverzoenlijke en intolerante houding van delen van de Turkse en Arabische machthebbers ook al is het verraderlijke EU regeringspolitiek. De huidige machthebbers in Turkije, de leger en Moslims zijn doodsbang voor schadeclaims van Armeense, Griekse Cyprioten en Koerdische slachtoffers en Bovendien druist zo’n historische terechtwijzing in tegen de trotse, nationalistische, patriottische gevoelens van de meeste Turken, een gevolg van de indoctrinatie van de leer van het Leger en islam. Zelfde Turken en arabieren in EU landen vormen een grote gevaar voor de stabiliteit van de lidstaten. Er blijft zowel op het politiek-ideologische als op het culturele en strikt nationalistisch en religieuze gebied de gerichtheid op islamitische landen erg groot. Integratie is onmogelijk. Islamieten zijn sinds 1400 jaar in geen enkele land geïntegreerd met een niet islamitische cultuur, volk, ze hebben juist alles bezet!!! Weliswaar – en daar wordt doorgaans te weinig rekening mee gehouden- worden ze hier ook nooit geïntegreerd. Op basis van dit etnische of religieuze elementen georganiseerd hoge emigratiegraad uit Turkije en andere Arabische landen tegen Europa is een grote wapen, en dit samen met de zwakke EU leiders vormt een grote gevaar voor EU volkeren.
Dus, kijk eerst naar de problemen in eigen land, voordat er op andere vingers getikt wordt!
Turkije en Arabische landen zijn de landen waar minderheden worden onderdrukt! Denk maar aan de Koerden, Kopten, Christenen! Geef de Koerden en Christenen hun grondgebied terug aub! Dan heb je pas recht van spreken!
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ProudTex, no kidding. What???? Is that Dutch? I dunno…it’s Greek to me!
SamFox
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Reply to Wade. Yes God did cause the Jews to kill many whole cities including children and women. And He’s completly incontrol and His will will be done.But when our reasons for going to other countries are based on lies and fear that is not of God. Ron Paul is speaking truth and knows what he’s talking about. We need to be about establishing peace with other nations and not retaliating and lieing our way through everything. each person is a human being with a heart,soul, and mind, each person is priceless. We should work to make peace and truth reign in this world, working together building each other up.
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I like Amy you have beautiful heart. I am not sure who the hell will dislike your written words?
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‘Hate’ has no place in any true follower of Prophet Mohammad. Islam means peace. For those who don,t know, can look up the meaning of “salam” It means ‘peace’ and that is what muslims say to greet each other. There are many deviant religions in Islam of which is the predominant Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia! The one Bin Laden believed in! yet there is no word about that type of Islam in American political literature!! Why? because this is the American Islam!! because Saudi rulers are friends of America?! or perhaps they show no animosity towards Israel!! no matter how many Americans killed in 9/11 attacks! so long as Israel is safe, the hell with rest of the world!! on the contrary, the more war in the world, the better for Israel!! Islamophobia Iranophobia is the drum Israel is beating on! I regret that how Zionist media has taken over the minds of so many intelligent people in America!! People who are not bad in nature! No wonder of course! most of American mass media is controlled by Zionists! Why you people don’t investigate? the real advocate of war is Zionism. They thrive through war. They push America to wars and stand aside watching simple minded American G I’s die and get killed so called in the line of duty (for protection if Israel of course!) I am surprised how Americans can’t see their Government is strangle held by AIPAC. U.S government is not truly independent. Even the president can no longer make decisions once could be made by X presidents!! The AIPAC must give the permission for every act of the president! . Americans who know the facts, have the obligation to enlighten people and eventually rid this great nation of this horrible Evil. Zionists, Enemy of humanity! Promoter of ‘Hate’
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Very good Amy.
Father had Israel kill off the pagan nations in great part to protect the righteous line of Christ’s future lineage, on Mary’s side, if I am not mistaken. Jesus’ line on Joseph’s side stopped with Joseph, Jesus’ step father.
Father was insuring that nothing would stop the birth of His Redeemer, Yeshua Messiah.
God was Jesus’ birthing Father, not Joseph. Poppa birthed in Mary’s virgin womb His Son, Jesus, by an act of creation that was not sexual as we think of sexual. As Israel was then considered the ‘wife’ of God, Poppa did not break His own law against adultery.
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Either Ron Paul’s followers that visit this website, don’t believe in him and what he is saying or someone is playing games with the votes in this blog. I don’t believe anyone who admires Ron Paul would side with war-mongering and hate filled rants. Ben is either unemployed or he is being paid as a psy-operative in trying to discredit Ron Paul on his own website. Ben has posted 11 of the 33 opinions in this blog, ranting about Ron Paul voting record but providing zero proof other than his narrow opinions and some copied text from Gen West. Let me summerize some of your posts, Ben, so everyone can see just how stupid and abusive you are to their intelligence and to Ron Paul. Let’s start with your response to my post.
1. Ben’s response to my post “…several times in several different posts, verbally abusing Ron Paul…”
Ben “I think you mean criticizing. He is an elected official, and I will exercise my constitutional right to criticize him and his policies. Welcome to America. Get used to it.”
“…a man of high moral value, in the process.”
“He is not a man of high moral character. He lies about great many things, including his voting record, his newsletters, his connections, and his philosophy. The amount of worship you bestow upon this man is not appropriate for a politician.”
Please, notice how Ben doesn’t have to provide any evidence to substantiate what he is saying, as in quotes or records about Ron concerning his voting record, lying or why he has low moral character. It’s pure BS and I hope you people don’t fall for it.
As far as Ben’s abusive style of just “being critical” about a polititian, Ben says “Ah! So we deserve acts of every bit of terrorism we get from the Muslim world.
Thanks for clearing that up, Ron. You’re a douche.”
“By the way, we don’t have a “policy of torture”. I wish we did, but we don’t.
Ron Paul telling the Muslims this is only enflaming them. He’s making our soldiers targets! Bad, bad, Ron Paul.”
Of course, telling the enemy you torture their countrymen as a policy, is real good for our captured troops. Right…
2. Ben’s response to my post “…with all your proposed abuse of humanity, with no concept of human rights, dignity or justice.”
Ben I’m all for all of those things. By the way, Terry–since when did Ron Paul’s legion of blind zombies become so comfortable with the socialist lingo of known leftists? Also, human rights, dignity, and justice–concepts you care so much about!–are non-existent in Muslim hellholes like Saudi Arabia and Iran. Go preach it to them.
Sorry, Ben the socialists don’t get to own those concepts, they belong to humanity and is what our Constitution is designed to protect. You are so blinded by left side hate you would abandon any principles you associate with them, good or bad. Sorry your brain can’t hold on to more than one concept at a time, without someone thinking for you. So if you think we have to be like the Saudis and Iranians to fight them, you don’t believe in the Constitution and our way of life.
3. Ben “I admire Colonel west very much. I wish I lived in his district so I could vote for him.
Now there’s a patriot. Men of the caliber are hard to come by in government today. his is a spectacular video! A TRUE conservative and TRUE patriot (unlike lil’ Ronny Paul) had this to say to a Marine who asked him a question concerning people who always dream up rationalizations about why Islamic terrorist attacks are actually America’s fault.”
Ben, a True Patriot and Conservative behaves like a Patriot and Conservative even when it isn’t popular and even when it’s dangerous. Ron Paul has done this, long before the tea party movement. I don’t know much about Gen West other than he has no history in politics because has never held public office. That is a convenient luxury for you when calling Ron Paul on his voting record. By the way, Ben your posts are word for word General West’s. Please, think for yourself.
4. “The amount of worship you bestow upon this man (Ron Paul) is not appropriate for a politician.”
It’s not worship, but respect for a man who lives his beliefs and does so with honor and love for America and it’s Constitution.
5. Any one of you blind Ron Paul followers should be able to answer me one simple question. How would Ron Paul have reacted to the attacks of 9/11 if he had been president? Go ahead and tell me.
I know the answer to that question. He would have invaded Afghanistan with an open ended war resolution with broad, sweeping executive powers to go after the people who perpetrated the attack and those who harbored them. I know that because that was exactly what he voted to do in the September 14, 2001 resolution.
Ben, thanks for answering the above question, one that only Ron Paul himself could answer, it shows your intent to discredit Ron Paul, because you only think that solutions come out of war and domination, instead of non-interventionism and peace, with all peoples of the world. I believe, Ron Paul may have gone after Osama in Afganistan or where-ever, but he would have gotten him and got out, not make a jihad to kill all muslims, peaceful or otherwise and to entertain a bunch of armchair war-mongers and bigots.
People, please think for yourselves, our liberties are at stake. Don’t let people tell you the only way for America to be strong is by intervening in every country in the world and being the world cops. Lets regroup America and come back stronger than ever…again the country to be emulated by people around the world.
Highly rated. What do you think?
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Terry, could you please edit your post a bit with a better use of the ” character. Thanks. I think I agree with you but it’s some times hard to tell when you quote & when you reply. Thank you. Not being critical, just a bit confused.
Here is a good take on why we had 9-11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjqGBBFiowE
Here is support for Ron Paul’s foreign policy with citations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSt4L43RbeA
The next link clears up the misrepresented nuke issue of ‘wipe Israel off the map’ & some others:
http://redcounty.com/content/ron-paul-right-foreign-policy
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul375.html
http://tinyurl.com/cyeg6ye
Far to many think that because fringe stream media calls Ron ‘isolationist’ it must be true. These peeps been had big time!! Ron Paul IS NON-interventionist. Hes is NOT isolationist. People need to learn the diff. Media, like Fox News, who I used to respect, included. I do like Freedom Watch wid Da Judge! & Stossel. Da Judge is TOPS at Fox, Stossel just beh9ind. Dobbs & Cavuto are OK as well. Fox can stuff most of the rest of it’s ‘news’ people.
http://paulitifact.com/tag/isolationist/
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-skeptics/whos-isolationist-4871
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On the 14th I posted a message about a video that was well worth the time to watch. It was out for less then a week before it was censored. The video comes up on the screen, but the sound is blocked. I tried different links, YouTube and a few other places. No sound. – “This is a video explaining how the government manipulates the public to go along with the politicians to go to war. It sells it before any conflict for war ever exists.” – Now we know that our Internet is not secure from government censored intervention. This tells me that they could have censored many of these sites that are bashing people, races and religions, but they didn’t. Is this because they want all of us to be divided and at odds with each other? That video pulled the wool off of the wolf. “There exists a government within a government within the United States…….the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity.”
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Wade. Your right. It does say that in the Old Testament. Those people that did that were Israelites and the Jewish people of today are not descendents of those true Israelites, they are converts to Judaism. This can turn into a huge mix up of understanding the term ‘Jew’ and ‘Jewish’, as they are slang for Eastern European converts. This is from the Jewish Almanac – Identity Crisis: “Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a “Jew” or to call a contemporary Jew an “Israelite” or a “Hebrew.” You might like to read something that goes along with your comment at this link. – http://countercurrents.org/ziabari150910.htm
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You people talk about the Muslims but forget about the bible and what is in the Old Testement. GOD commanded that Arbrham kill other tribes and in the old testment you will find this all throughout the book where GOD wanted the Jews to kills entire groups of people including women and children, old and young. I wonder why so many christians forget that. But its easy for us to talk about the muslims and what they believe in. Unreal!
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“But its easy for us to talk about the muslims and what they believe in. Unreal!”
Yeah, okay Wade. But the new coveneant of the new testament replaced the original covenant of Moses. Christians don’t follow the old laws about pork and wearing cloth of two fibers, etc.
You’re right that the Old Testament does contain a lot of directives to kill people (witches, homosexuals), just as the Koran does. The difference is that many followers of the Koran (Muslims) still take these verses seriously. The ones who don’t are supposedly “moderate”.
The ones who follow the Koran to the letter have supposedly “hijacked” Islam, “warped a great religion”, blah, blah, blah. Not really. They’re the keepers of the faith, the ones who do what the Koran commands them to do.
Think of it like the Constitution. Who are the ones who have warped it? The ones who follow it, or the one who pick and choose from it, ignoring whatever seems inconvenient at the time?
Personally, I’m glad that Jews don’t follow all of those Old Testament verses that command them to kill other people. They may be remiss in their faith, but that’s their business. Muslims, on the other hand, are still lopping off people’s heads, planting bombs, flying airplanes into buildings, strapping dynamite to their chests, doing driveby shootings, committing “honor” killings, mutilating genitals, severing hands, and running people down with their cars.
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Ben, I address you with the utmost respect and the urging for dialogue, and human compassion.
I’m not sure if you’ve read the Koran, I’ve read the Old Testament, The New Testament and the Koran (in its original language). The Koran specifically instructs all Muslims to respect and protect all the people of the “Book” meaning the “Bible”. It does not promote the killing of so called “infidels” as most of us Westerners are lead to believe. The Koran actually promotes Islam as a religion of conviction, even proselytizing Islam is not encouraged. In Islam becoming a Muslim is a choice.
My references above are my own. I do not listen or read any of the rhetoric by any side.
Now, in order for our Politicians both (Republican and Democrats) to promote their $1.5 Trillion Bailout agenda, as well as find a reason to promote entanglement in foreign lands (Iraq and Afganistan) they had to create this “Monster” conveniently called Islam… It is a religion that most westerners are not knowledgeable of.
My take on all this is the good old cliche: “It Is The Economy Stupid”. I’m not calling anyone stupid, it is just an expression that I keep hearing and reading…
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Food for thought.
Cult:
The word in reference to groups seen as authoritarian, exploitative and possibly dangerous.
Islam?
Kill the infidels comes to mind.
Purge:
In history and political science, a purge is the removal of people who are considered undesirable by those in power from a government, from another organization, or from society as a whole. Purges can be peaceful or violent; many will end with the imprisonment or exile of those purged, but in some cases they will simply be removed from office. Restoring people who have been purged is known as rehabilitation.
If you kill non believers are you in need of rehabilitation?
The Quran a book of rehabilitation?
Just some seeds for thought.
Cheers!
Ron Paul 2012
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Since this is getting a good number of people to read these comments, I have one thing that has nothing to do with any of it, but once you take a look at it I hope that you will agree to send it out to all that you have in your address book.
Governors of 35 states have already filed suit against the Federal Government for imposing unlawful burdens upon them. It only takes 38 (of the 50) states to convene a Constitutional Convention. This takes less than thirty seconds to read. If you agree, please pass it on.
An idea whose time has come!
For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest was to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform … in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.
A constitutional Convention – this is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come. I’m asking every person reading this to forward this to as many people that they have on their address list. In turn ask each of those to do likewise. In three days, most people in the United States of America will have the message. This is one proposal that really should be passed around.
***Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution***
“Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States.”
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Thomas Jefferson had experience with Muslims terrorists known as the Barbary pirates.
As I’m sure many of you know, pirates based out of North Africa were attacking American ships. They promised to stop doing it if we would pay them off regularly. The amount of money they wanted was quite exorbitant, of course. And there was no guarantee that they would be true to their word.
Jefferson met an envoy of the Barbary states in London and later recounted:
“It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise.”
Not much has changed in their attitudes since then. Or since the seventh century, for that matter. It’s not that they only became psychotic mass murders because of American foreign policy, as RP would have us believe. They were psychotic mass murders long before the United States was even a country.
Paying the Muslim terrorists off didn’t work. America sent its finest Marines to Tripoli and stomped their guts out. After that, they left us alone.
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I have listened to many speeches by Ron Paul and not once have I ever heard him promote anything but principled action and responsibility. Here in this forum, Ben, gets to express his narrow point of view several times in several different posts, verbally abusing Ron Paul, a man of high moral value, in the process. I’m ok with his expressing his 1st amendment right, as would Ron Paul, but what I have a problem with is his abusive style, his limited knowledge of what has caused the American people to look like a nation of uneducated bigots in the world, and an arrogance that stinks of too much armchair war-mongering and mass media programming. I am sick of hearing people spew hate programming learned from mass media, undigested, unquestioned, and stating them like they were a reality derived from some real world experience. If there is any question who is a True Patriot and a True Conservative, the question would be about you, with all your proposed abuse of humanity, with no concept of human rights, dignity or justice.
Muslims are just people and are one fifth of the world population. Do you really think that our homeland security and Military could shield the American people from that many, so called evil people? If the Muslim faith were a truly evil religion, you would have been attacked dozens of times a day, every since 911 and not just one building would have fallen.
You are an ignorant hate filled bigot, and I am glad you get to be you, because you’re narrow-minded, bitter and if there is a douche anywhere in this forum, it is between your ears. Do some accurate research and find out who America’s true enemies are, and learn who really deserves your hate. You won’t be finding them very far from where you live. Not once did you mention the Constitution, God-given rights or any principle other than hate and destruction in your posts.
I’m glad there are more people like Ron Paul in the world, and less people like you.
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Well said, Terry!
Thank you!
I do hope Ron Paul will be our next President (tough to happen though…).
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Terry, your post is a lot of nonsense.
“Here in this forum, Ben, gets to express his narrow point of view…”
Yes, I “get” to express my point of view. That’s why they call it forum. It’s not narrow, it’s just something you don’t agree with, so you don’t want to hear it. Your attitude is the definition of narrowness.
“…several times in several different posts, verbally abusing Ron Paul…”
I think you mean criticizing. He is an elected official, and I will exercise my constitutional right to criticize him and his policies. Welcome to America. Get used to it.
“…a man of high moral value, in the process.”
He is not a man of high moral character. He lies about great many things, including his voting record, his newsletters, his connections, and his philosophy. The amount of worship you bestow upon this man is not appropriate for a politician.
“I am sick of hearing people spew hate programming learned from mass media, undigested, unquestioned, and stating them like they were a reality derived from some real world experience.”
I’m not “spewing” anything. I am the one who rejects mainstream media programming, not you. Our news outlets go out of their way to reinforce the idea that “Islam means peace”, they label everyone as bigots who objects to the Ground Zero victory mosque, and they bend over backwards never to upset Muslims. Oh yes, and they love to portray Muslims as a poor, downtrodden minority that can’t seem to catch a break in America. My ideas are not recycled talking points taken from the nightly newscasts. I came to them by careful consideration and learning. You, obviously, have not.
By the way, Islam does not mean peace. It means submission, by the sword if necessary. When every human being on earth has submitted, then their job will be done.
“…with all your proposed abuse of humanity, with no concept of human rights, dignity or justice.”
I’m all for all of those things. By the way, Terry–since when did Ron Paul’s legion of blind zombies become so comfortable with the socialist lingo of known leftists? Also, human rights, dignity, and justice–concepts you care so much about!–are non-existent in Muslim hellholes like Saudi Arabia and Iran. Go preach it to them.
“Muslims are just people and are one fifth of the world population. Do you really think that our homeland security and Military could shield the American people from that many, so called evil people?”
You called them evil, not me. Listen, nobody said that all Muslim are trying to kill us. (A great number of them condone it, however). That’s not the point. There are “moderate Muslims”, but only because all religions have followers with varying degrees of enthusiasm. The “moderate” Muslims compromise the tenets of their faith as laid out in the Koran. For example, the Koran tells them to kill unbelievers, or at very least, to oppress them as second class citizens and extract a heavy tax from them (dhimmitude). Now, every Muslim in the world isn’t doing that right now, but that’s because most of them have chosen to disregard those particular verses. In other words, they’ve compromised their Muslim faith in order to live in modern circumstances. But the Muslim who follows Islam to the letter–who really does kill unbelievers–he has not “hijacked” Islam. He’s doing exactly what his prophet tells him to do.
“If the Muslim faith were a truly evil religion, you would have been attacked dozens of times a day, every since 911 and not just one building would have fallen.”
Muslims terrorist attacks have become so commonplace that they not elicit yawns. The underwear bomber, Fort Hood, the Arkansas recruiting station, the Times Square bomber, the shoe bomber, the plot to destroy the NYC tunnels, the plot to destroy the Sears Tower, the plot to bomb German trains, Bali, London, Madrid, Istanbul, the recently foiled plots in Norway, the hotel siege in Bombay last year, the endless attacks in Iraq…and the list goes on.
That’s just in the last few years, since 9/11. Keep in mind that Islamic terrorism has continued without pause since 622 AD when Mohammad got the ball rolling. He commanded his followers to continue conquering in the name of Islam after his death, and that is exactly what they have done!
So please, don’t tell me that I’m a “ignorant hate filled bigot”. That’s the same mentally lazy trick that the liberals use. (Ron Paul’s army is a lot more like the liberals than they would like to believe).
“Not once did you mention the Constitution, God-given rights or any principle other than hate and destruction in your posts.”
That’s because my post wasn’t about the Constitution. That doesn’t mean that I don’t cherish the document. I do.
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Hey ben, if i was not quite sure you are full of…what ever, I am now convinced you have it flowing out yer ears.
Lucky for you You Shall Not Lie is not in the Constitution. You would be up on charges.
Long post, lotta hot air, NO citations. Show us where Ron Paul lies about anything or does any thing on your list.
Actually you are spewing because your words have no iron in them. They are empty baseless lies flung about as if your opinion was God’s own truth..
Say hello to your boss at Media Matters. Let them know we are on to you.
When you said “He is not a man of high moral character. He lies about great many things, including his voting record, his newsletters, his connections, and his philosophy. The amount of worship you bestow upon this man is not appropriate for a politician.”, you over played your hand. Few of Ron’s enemies are that blatantly obvious.
Show us. Prove it. I b waitin! Citations please, not more opinion.
By the way, Ron is not a politician. He is a true US statesman. Lies about his own philosophy? That’s funny strange & weird. Well, considering the source…
Who lies about their own philosophy? And why would they? Dude, you are way out there! If Ron was or did all that you say it woulda been blasted all over the USA in every major Soros news outlet there is. Ron is, after all, going for their biggest weapon against the USA, the ‘Federal’ Reserve.He has taken on another monster pet of big govt as well, the military industrial complex.
I say you are a Media Matters plant because you are trying to spread your NWO ‘progressive’ jive about Ron a bit ‘under the radar’ rather than your handlers taking a chance at a law suit on a more public media stage if they were to go national with junk like you posted.
If what you said is true it woulda been splashed all over by Ron’s enemies way long time ago. Ron has been at the same thing, consistently, bravely taking on the UN-Constitutional big tax, borrow & spend govt establishment for over 30 years.
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Good show Terry.
What many Americans don’t seem to understand that the ME is, at least to a great extent, a diversion.
The greatest threat faced by the USA is in the WH & fills much of congress. Most media is in on the agenda of Collapse the System, as 0 has relentlessly been trying to do. But it did not start with 0. It started at least as early as 1913 when the ‘Fed’ was sneaked in on US. Later the ‘progressives’ gave us the ‘progressive’ income tax. Then came the Gestapo, errr, …I mean IRS.
Verify by reading the Cloward & Pivon book about collapsing the USA financially. Also check out Rules For Radicals by Saul Alinsky, Saul dedicated his book to lucifer. Tell ya any thing?
Check out this from Walter Cronkite:
http://spktruth2power.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/walter-cronkite-glad-to-set-at-the-right-hand-of-satan/
Are these two isolated coincidences? Or do they form the tip of an iceberg, so to speak…I post you decide…
Christians should read Psalm 2.
SamFox
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This is a video explaining how the government manipulates the public to go along with the politicians to go to war. It sells it before any conflict for war ever exists. – http://www.openfilm.com/videos/psywar
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9-11 Up Close And Personal – http://www.rense.com/general92/9.htm
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This is a spectacular video! A TRUE conservative and TRUE patriot (unlike lil’ Ronny Paul) had this to say to a Marine who asked him a question concerning people who always dream up rationalizations about why Islamic terrorist attacks are actually America’s fault.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGQmCZjJ0k
“The first you gotta do is you gotta study and understand who you’re up aginst. And you must realize that this is not a religion that you’re fighting against. You are fighting against a theopolitical belief system and construct. You’re fighting against something that’s been doing this thing since 622 AD. The seventh century. Thirteen hundred and eighty-eight years. You want to dig up Charles Martel and ask him why him why he was fighting the Muslim army at the Battle of Tours in 732? You want to ask the Venetian fleet at Lepanto why they were fighting a Muslim fleet in 1571? You want to ask…the Germanic and Austrian knights why they were fighting at the gates of Vienna in 1683? You want to ask people what happened at Constantinople and why today it is called Istanbul because they lost that fight in 1453? You need to get into the Koran…you need to understand their precepts. And then you need to understand, this is not a perversion. They are doing exactly what this book says.”
Later, he continued. Take heed, Ronulans. This man could teach you something, if you’re willing to open your mind.
“Until you get principled leadership in the United States of America that is willing to say that, we will continue to chase our tail, because we will never clearly define who this enemy is, and then understand their goals and objectives—which (are) on any jihadist website—and then come up with the right (and) proper objectives to not only secure our Republic but secure Western civilization.”
That principled leadership is NOT Ron Paul. He’s part of the problem in Washington.
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Ben: Allen West is running for Congress in my district in Florida. He is indeed a true patriot and hopefully he will be elected to replace the socialist representative (Ron Klein) who we now have!!!!!!! People on this site need to see this video for sure!!!!!!
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I admire Colonel west very much. I wish I lived in his district so I could vote for him.
Now there’s a patriot. Men of the caliber are hard to come by in government today.
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BEN – Did he answed the question?
And what did anyone learn from the question’s answer? Continue the illegal occupation and immoral wars? – There is no winning on either side but alot of money to made by Neocons/Zionist.
A house Nigro jumps to answer the question who’s master couldn’t answer well.
Thanks to Malcolm-X for clearing this on this black and white video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znQe9nUKzvQ
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By the way, we don’t have a “policy of torture”. I wish we did, but we don’t.
Ron Paul telling the Muslims this is only enflaming them. He’s making our soldiers targets! Bad, bad, Ron Paul.
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Oh yeah, and this argument that he’s going to make our soldiers targets–what bullshit. They say that about everything.
If we don’t build the mosque at ground zero, we’re going to make our soldiers targets. If we support Israel, we’re going to make our soldiers targets. If we don’t trip over ourselves, obsequiesly declaring that “Islam means peace”, we’re going to make our soldiers targets. Whatever the Muslims say, we do it. You know what we could do to make sure that our soldiers are NEVER targets? We could adopt sharia law!
Seriously, this idea that we should never make Muslims mad or we’re inviting violence is the first step toward dhimmitude. We don’t make our policy based on what terrorists will do in retaliation. If we do, then we’re allowing them to set our policy.
“As I have said time and time again, Osama bin Laden wins by ‘proving’ that America is an enemy of Islam and has an occupation agenda in the Middle East. And, we continue to walk into his trap and hand him up his best recruitment tool in his efforts to provoke hatred and terrorism against the United States.”
Oh geez, the old recruit tool chestnut. Listen, the Middle East is awash with bizarre beliefs that have no basis in reality. A majority don’t believe that Muslims attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Most don’t believe in the Holocaust. As if we could ever convince them that our cause is just.
Any one of you blind Ron Paul followers should be able to answer me one simple question. How would Ron Paul have reacted to the attacks of 9/11 if he had been president? Go ahead and tell me.
I know the answer to that question. He would have invaded Afghanistan with an open ended war resolution with broad, sweeping executive powers to go after the people who perpetrated the attack and those who harbored them. I know that because that was exactly what he voted to do in the September 14, 2001 resolution.
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“”"”ANY ONE OF YOU BLIND RON PAUL FOLLOWERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER ME ONE SIMPLE QUESTION. HOW WOULD RON PAUL HAVE REACTED TO THE ATTACKS OF 9/11 IF HE HAD BEEN PRESIDENT? GO AHEAD AND TELL ME. “”"”"
Sure, I will tell you..
In a real state world, it is always location, location, and location.
In a crime scene for any investigator, it is investigation, investigation and investigation.
Once I was watching court TV, a female FBI agent stated; to find a murderer you must interview and investigate the people closest to the victim/scene and start growing the circle of your investigation but unfortunately the 9/11 investigation start from Iraq and Afghasiatan and the real criminal already cleaned up the crime scene and cashed their insurance paycheck and went to the bank. Now, our poor soldiers and poor afghans are stuck in a war that has no end and victory on either side.
I don’t know if you call them victors, but the victors are those who committed the crime and went to the bank
The real victors are the DOD contractors whom continue making endless money from these endless wars.
Ron Paul 2012
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“”"I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. HE WOULD HAVE INVADED AFGHANISTAN WITH AN OPEN ENDED WAR RESOLUTION WITH BROAD, SWEEPING EXECUTIVE POWERS TO GO AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO PERPETRATED THE ATTACK AND THOSE WHO HARBORED THEM. I KNOW THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT HE VOTED TO DO IN THE SEPTEMBER 14, 2001 RESOLUTION.”"”
Sure…. I supported the war against Iraq too because we were told that they had illegal WMD but now no one can find it. Should we still support this war? What for?
IRAQ WMD again – we ain’t buying it anymore.
IRAN WMD now – we ain’t buying it….
If anyone wants to fight these wars get together with your buddies and parachute you from the Air to Iran or Iraq and fight as long as you can.
RON PAUL 2012
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The resolution wasn’t open ended. He voted to go after Bin Laden and the perpetrators of 9/11. That’s not open ended. People like you who misinterpret things are what made it open ended.
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You haven’t read the resolution. You only believe what RP told you he voted for.
RP lies to you. Read it for yourself.
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“…our policies of torture, targeted assassination, invasion of Muslim countries and unintended infliction of civilian casualties in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are also provocative. Pictures of victims of torture as well as innocent people killed by drones and stray bombs are every bit as bad as burning the Quran.”
Ah! So we deserve acts of every bit of terrorism we get from the Muslim world.
Thanks for clearing that up, Ron. You’re a douche.
I wouldn’t want to provoke the Muslim world. But then again, it doesn’t take much to provoke them into a foaming-at-the-mouth rage. Think of cartoons. And Teddy bears.
Look, Terry Jones is kind of idiot. I wouldn’t have launched this publicity stunt. But he had a point to make about the Ground Zero victory Mosque that Ron Paul and other should make an effort to understand. Yes, those jerkwads have the right to build their mosque there so long as it conforms to zoning laws and building codes. (It appears that the building codes were waved for the victory mosque, by the way)
But is it right? Is it a big middle finger at America? Yes, it is. If this imam was honestly stupid enough to believe that he was “building bridges” by putting it there, he should know better now that he isn’t building any such bridges.
So Terry Jones lept into action. He decided to threaten to do something that he had every right to do, but would nonetheless enrage a targeted group. I see his point.
The Imam is ripping the scab off a wound. Of course, Ron Paul thinks that there’s “Demogaugery” on “both sides” of the Mosque issue. Spare me, Ron. He highlights that the assholes who want to build their mosque have property rights and first amendment rights. Yeah, that’s true. But when Pastor Jones wants to burn some books, he’s doesn’t seem to care that he has the right. He only seems to care that it’s a needlessly provocative thing to do.
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Just to see a funny side of the whole mess, I think Muslims should actually be grateful to Terry Jones for what he planned to do!
He would have given those copies of Quran a clean, hygienic end! I mean, just think of alternatives!
Disposed of / unsold / replaced copies of Quran don’t actually go to some Quran Heaven where they lay safe and respected. They end up either on a dump, rotting away along things like non-halal meat (likely pork!), discarded condoms, alcohol containers, and all sorts of other things that are better left unmentioned. Or, if recycled, copies of Quran would end up in a mill where they get mashed with things like pornography mags, books of authors against whom fatwas were issued, holy books of other religions, etc. and then get turned into toilet paper.
When you put the above into perspective, I think Terry Jones does not look all that bad, does he?
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The church I go to is sending 2 missionaries to Afghanistan. Any comments?
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Obviously, the missionaries at your church are unpatriotic Americans. THey’re only going to make our soldiers targets!
Don’t they understand that Muslims are very sensitive people? Don’t do anything to make them upset.
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The missionaries are helping people with necessities and witnessing for Christ.
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Why do people use the term unpatriotic or unamerican to an idea that they don’t agree with. I think differently about many subjects on here but I don’t consider anyone anti-america.
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I obviously don’t understand the tongue-in-cheek nature of my post.
Ron Paul’s thugs regularly attack the patriotism of anyone who disagrees with them.
The point I was trying to make was that Christian missionaries in a Muslim country are guaranteed to make Muslims mad. It will serve as a recruiting tool for al Qaeda! So we’d better not do it. Anything that could make Muslims mad is off limits.
When Muslims say “jump” we say “how high”.
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You didn’t say what for? Change them to an idiots like Ben?
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Technical correction (sorry):
Positive entropy – easy job, Evil way.
Negative entropy – hard job, Good way.
Yet the essence still is: Create, Do Not Destroy!
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To all the discussion below let me to put it as simple as general and fundamental rule of mine:
DO NOT MAKE HARM OF ANY KIND TO OTHERS!!
Neither physical nor spiritual. At least, at least (!) try so. Only this would mean real RESPECT. This, by definition, includes both do not kill and do not insult.
What is Evil? Evil is DESTRUCTION physical and spiritual (negative entropy, easy job!) and all deeds that contribute into it.
What is Good? Good is CREATION physical and spiritual and deeds all that contribute into it (positive entropy, hard job!). Not to destruction and/or insulting of others!
I do believe everyone in the Earth is able to understand and follow the above simple rule. While the rule is simple to follow it is hard job.
I do believe in God my unique way. I do not belong to any denomination and do not want to.
Let’s stop making any harm to others and (!!) ourselves!!
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Terry Jones has or had plans to burn copies of the Quran sometime today, but if he were one that truly heard from God, then he would have been told to burn the government’s official 911 Commission Report. That would be a worthwhile book to burn.
The collective voices of these respected senior officials along with over 100 esteemed professors, over 200 pilots and aviation professionals, and hundreds of architects and engineers give credibility to the claim that the 9/11 Commission Report is tragically flawed. These dedicated individuals from across the political spectrums are not irresponsible believers in some 9/11 conspiracy theory. Their sincere concern, backed by decades of service to their country, demonstrate that criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report is not only reasonable and responsible, it is in fact a patriotic duty. –
http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport
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I for one do not believe the media story of 9/11. I have made an investigation. Here are my results:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMiqPQdWvo4
There were no planes – photoshop forgeries!!
But there was a 30′ drone unmanned ball – photographed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFIGeINof0Y&feature=related
And there were tons of thermite and tons of molten steel [from jet plane fuel we are told?? Right!]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssuAMNas1us
On Sept.ll, 2001 2,972 American citizens died. Now nine years later,. many Americans believe and fear it was an inside job done to create the invasion of a sovereign country which never attacked us causing 1,700,000 Iraq civilian deaths!! War made by one people on another must be recognized as national murder and the people who provoke that war condemned as murderers! The ones who perpetuated these murders must be held accountable……the very SOUL of AMERICA is at stake!!
On the anniversary of the 9/ll event let us all demand the Congress of the United States to re-open an investigation. In the 9/11 Official Investigation questions went unanswered. The victims’ families and the American people deserve to know the real TRUTH. http://www.wanttoknow.info/911video
NOW, EDUCATE YOURSELVES…GET MAD…AND DO SOMETHING!! THIS IS ABOUT MURDER!
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Mary,You are being very selfish.How can lying deceptive industrial military complex make a dishonest living with people of intergrity like you around?
You should know your place and be more considerate of your facist superiors.
There is only $ trillions to be made in the arms industry and not only that the poor old US Fed is forced to counterfeit your money and loan it back to you as debt .Now give them a break.All they wany to do is to make profit by murder,destruction,stealing energy/resources and then charge you the tax payer a fortune to rebuild their economies.
Just think of the other great noble things they are achieving.They are saving the environment by getting hate filled humans to exterminate each other via lies and deception.
They’ve been doing this for centuries and the moronic masses still get sucked into the same old wars..WW1 was to be the war to end all wars.
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I thought after being a Marine infantryman in Vietnam in our worst year for casualties, 1968, that nothing in my lifetime would come close to that unnecessary mess. But our interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan seem at least in a spiritual sense to be worse than all of our years in Vietnam.
I voted for Dr. Paul in 1988 when he ran for prez. I’m glad he is still with us as a sober voice of Reason. (A bit of a plug there for the libertarian monthly. wink)
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The root of the muslim’s hate of america begins with the weapons U.S provides to israel that kills muslims there
If the united states put a more pressure on israel for making diplomacy instead of using military force would be a positive start
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Terry Jones is now doing the two step and he is not going to do the book burning. The Imam says that he did not make any decision to not build the center in NY. The MSM is having a field day with all of the hype and confusion. Mr. Paul has said during an interview about the Muslim center, “And we do know that the people who attacked us on 9/11 were Muslims.” – http://video.aol.com/video-detail/ron-paul-nyc-mosque-demagogues-peddle-hate-to-justify-war/7320996 – I have never seen any positive proof that would make that statement true, or anything even close to making that a true statement. There are many testimonies of what occurred on that day from eyewitness rescue workers, police and firemen for anyone that would take the time to listen to those who were there to see through the government cover up documents in their final 9/11 report. Nine years later with expert reviews by architects, scientists and those that work in the field of building demolition proves that this could not of happened by planes hitting the buildings or by the burning jet fuel. The government was quick to identify the hijackers by name. Half of these so called hijackers came forward to prove they were alive and had no involvement with what happened. And still this government says it was nineteen hijackers that committed suicide on those four planes and continues to give the names of those that have proved themselves alive and innocent of these charges. The traps have been set for all of us by corrupt administrations one after another that make policies to allow torture, target people for assassination, invade Muslim countries and inflict casualties against innocent civilians. I respect Ron Paul. I am saying this because if we are to change this nation back into a Republic and take it out of the hands of those that are out to destroy it, we must have truthful politicians that have viewed all evidence and listened to all the testimonies and reviews that point the finger in the right direction of those guilty. Anything less will allow those who are the guilty to walk free and to continue their evil endeavors to destroy the United States and the American people.
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Wonderful James;
Its absolutely amazing the sheer volume of people in this country who are putting things together, seeing through the deception and realizing the culprits behind all this and their agenda to gain absolute power and control over the single and only country left in the world where any form of freedom still exists. Seems to be the vast majority by now as well.
Americans are definitely not the stupid trusting sheep that exist in the rest of the world and they’ve figured this out before the power has been established to prevent them from doing anything about it and i expect that before too long they will. They have made me very proud of them once before and i expect they will do so again.
Per my post further down, they do need to actually do something instead of just talking as were well past the point where they know what needs to be done and i expect that many are already doing so as we speak. This will be the generation which finally kills the concept of Banking and introduces the very much needed economic renaissance which will shift our government and economy over from a system of theft and fraud designed to create shortage to buy power for a few parasites who contribute nothing to it, to one designed to fuel abundant and ever increasing useful production and prosperity for the benefit of the population. Both the banks and the government they established are living in absolute terror of us at this point, as they know we have figured this out before they could take away our guns and if we can increase that terror in our political establishment just a little, then i think we can get them to revolt against their masters who put them in power, fulfill their constitutional responsibilities for our benefit and we wont ever need to use them.
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You are right guys but to me there is not much basis to be optimistic… How many Americans do need and do dig the TRUTH? Polls show that average less than ~ 30-40% and the ignorant rest are satisfied marching under propaganda brainwashing trumpets, supporting wars, provocations (burning Qurans), big government’s lies, cover-ups and general agenda. I am afraid we have very low chances of rebuilding the Republic.
However Dr. Ron Paul weights a lot in favor of those chances.
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Well, it was exactly 5 % of the American population who participated in and brought about the first American Revolution and one man, Thomas Payne, who published a book giving the population the concepts of freedom and justice which they could work toward accomplishing and did.
There’s a great many of us on here who have been participating in the effort for a long time and have been copy pasting posts containing ideas of a free economy and the problems that exist today and potential solutions to them from this site into emails and forwarding them into circulation among the general public. As this effort has been progressing so has the hatred among the general public toward the current powers and the suffering which they have inflicted on them along with the realization that things do not have to be as they are and can be changed toward their benefit as well.
Now i think we’ve come up with the simplest possible means to force this change to occur:
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/fiat-money-inflation-federal-reserve/comment-page-21/#comment-126876
and if enough once again participate in this effort and do their part as individuals to promote it and get it into circulation where everyone in America can see it and act on it, then i expect it will happen as well, quickly, simply and easily.
Don’t discount the method either. Email forwards are a geometric progression, its like having a penny, doubling your money every day and at the end of the month you’ll have $ 10,000,000.00, $ 20,000,000.00 if the month has 31 days. 5 minutes of effort from one single person in helping to get these things into circulation can result in them ending up in the hands of millions, and there is absolutely nothing that anyone who would want to prevent this can do to stop it, so instead of giving up, just help, and lets see what happens.
You are right, the definition of a “normal” person is that they don’t dig for the truth as they are generally absolutely terrified of having to think and want to be told what to do, but they have been pushed to the point where they know that those who have been doing the telling are the enemies which will destroy them and that they have to do something. If those of us who do think and dig can put the solutions and the means to accomplish them in front of them, they will act on them as well.
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“I have never seen any positive proof that would make that statement true, or anything even close to making that a true statement.”
Bullshit. You’ve seen positive proof, you just refuse to believe it because you’re batshit crazy and you prefer to believe nonsense.
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This guy sounds like a Nazi. I think American Foreign Policy is more to blame for 9/11 than islam.
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Ron Paul, a Nazi? R U Serious? LOL Surely you just misunderstand his argument. Geez!
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Sorry – I tried to change my statement but the web site refreshed itself and did not allow me to edit the above/ I understand the post meant the pastor was acting like a nazi, not RP.
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I fear, those (Elite) who control the media have a specific agenda for this ‘book burning’ event. One that will let them get away with another staged unthinkable terrorist attack. This pastor should seriously consider the opportunity he is currently giving the Globalist Elite. They are going to use this event to their utmost advantage. Yea and on top of this will come the random fanatical violence of Muslims.
What I understand is that the Private International Banking Families (Elite) who own and control US and many Nations of the world ‘must’ be able to exploit the natural resources of Afghanistan, Iraqi and Iran in order to keep their civilization going.
I postulate. If America and NATO ‘fail’ to stabilize and contract these countries then the Elite will have no choice but to influence and cause ‘China’ to the Job. China helped to finance this War because they stand to benefit from the exploitation of all these countries natural resources.
I postulate. I am not convinced that the Zionist Elite will be able to maintain control of a massive Asian military invasion of the Middle East. However, if they give China a lead role in the representation of a cashless world currency system, China may, in return, curb Iran so the Zionist can have their little Nation in Palestine without any posing threats.
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HI Douglas;
Yes to assume that there was not some sort of agenda and that the F’ing parasites who currently have consumed 60 % of this countries wealth and want to make it 100 % in the next couple of years are not going to use this in some way would be extremely foolish.
In terms of China, i expect that if we do not get rid of the parasites we are going to end up in a very nasty war with china at some point which we may very well lose. If my information is correct they have one of the very few economies in the world which functions on real state issued money as opposed to bank debt and the banks have to destroy China in order to accomplish their ambition of ruling the world. Given a choice over enslavement by the world’s banking system or the Chinese, i sort of expect that the latter would be the better alternative as it is the far lesser evil of the two. In terms of the religious arguments they will accomplish absolutely nothing in terms of saving America and restoring it for the benefit and control of its population, this has been going on for well over 1000 years, and nothing has changed in that time. LOL when i was young, my father was a history teacher and he brought home one of his textbooks one day with a drawing of some English knight who had some Moor by the throat, and was about to run him through with his sword. Some kid had scribbled a caption underneath the photo which stated “this will teach you to fart in church” The battle between christian, jew and moslem still goes on, always will, and only involves us thanks to our stupid involvement in the affairs of other countries. America is not a christian nation, nor is it a moslem nation and the first amendment of our constitution ensures that by guaranteeing both freedom of religion and freedom from religion as well.
Who wants this battle of religion to continue for the sake of creating ever more debt and finally securing the same complete and total ownership of America and its population for themselves, just as they already have over our currency and economy, and most of the populations in other countries in the world already ?
Rothschild Banks of London
Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris
Israel Moses Seif Bank of Italy
Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
Kuhn, Loeb and Co. of New York
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
Goldman, Sachs of New York
Who are the enemies that we need to destroy in order to take back our country and economy for the benefit of ourselves, before Thomas Jeffersons prediction of the children waking up homeless in the land that their fathers conquered becomes the final reality ? The same F’ing banks.
Anyone hoping to resolve things through the electoral process may as well give up right now, guess who owns stock in and votes on the boards of all the major media corporations and why Ron Paul was given absolutely no coverage in the past presidential election and never will be ? Guess who has the power to assassinate him 2 days after he takes office even if we somehow circumvent the power which would prevent us from having a chance to vote for him in the first place, just as they did Lincoln, Kennedy, Garfield, and would have done to Jackson had the pistol not misfired ?
Get busy people and make this happen, if all you put in your own individual efforts toward promoting the solution and act on this yourself i think it will. Quickly, simply and easily too:
http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/fiat-money-inflation-federal-reserve/comment-page-21/#comment-126876
The banks can assassinate any president, they can assassinate every member of the senate, but they’d have an awfully hard time assassinating every congressman and every member of the American public, so it has to be we the people who destroy them first so that they can no longer try. This stupidity has gone on long enough. Hopefully this can be done simply by terrifying those in our political establishment into revolting against the banks which have put them in power and acting in our interests, allowing us to elect those who would do it willingly later on.
Get your asses in gear people and make it happen, if enough of you do then this will work and if not then be prepared to grab your rifles and do it the hard way. This sh*t has gone on long enough, we are at war and one way or another we have to win it now. Stop pissing around with pointless issues, were out of time. What does any of this have to do with Islam and Christianity and of what consequence are either of them to what we need to bring about to save ourselves ?. Not much from what i can see on this end. Stop pissing around with pointless issues, were out of time.
Whether you are Christian, Moslem, Jew, Hindu, Bhuddist, wicca or any other form of religion, doing this will ensure your continued freedom and abundant prosperity such as you have never experienced before. Given the pre-existing freedom to practice each of your religions as you see fit in regards to yourselves, it would seem that dropping all other arguments and acting together toward all of our collective benefit would be the only sensible course of action for anyone to take and the source of making all of the other manufactured problems disappear at the same time.
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All we are doing is falling right into the ignorant hate-trap. We DO have the right to burn any book in this country and it makes it alot easier when the book to burn is the foundational faith for these extremists. Yes, burning our flag and urinating on the Bible is wrong, but DONT FALL FOR THE HATETRAP!!!. That is what they want, some fire up our arse. I personally would just burn the book just to get rid of it (get it out of circulation) and not make a scene, not announce it to fuel some fire that a burning brightly on it’s own.
Christians especially should not play into this, SETTING A BAD EXAMPLE FOR NON-BELIEVERS OF CHRIST. thanks:)
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Kristin,We should not also fall the the other hate trap ie Jewish or black hatred.
It is the old game of divide and conquer that elites have played throughout the centuries.eg My enemy’s enemy,is my friend.
Wall St and the big banksters are trying to play us all off against each other.They know that we know and their panic mode has them caught in a time warp.
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“Under Jones’ warped logic, we should have attacked Saudi Arabia since 15 of the 19 suicide bombers came from that country”
Interesting, is there any relationship between the NYC Muslim Center and Saudies (funding)?
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“HOLY” WAR IS INEVITABLE. LET”S PROVOKE IT NOW SO WE CAN GET IT OVERWITH.
1. I support the right to burn any book as a form of protest.
2. I support our right to defend ourselves against violence should muslims anywhere be inclined to attack Americans or our allies in response to the Koran burning.
Despite what our military leaders say, provoking a hostile enemy to irrational action can be a good thing, because it can bring the enemy out in the open on our timetable, so we can identify all its force components.
If the Muslim world wants to declare holy war on everyone else, and they want to use a backwater pastor as an excuse to do so, then bring it on, it was bound to happen anyway.
Realistically, some muslim leaders will declare war and incite their followers to violence, and some will not. The ones that do will be more easily targeted and taken out. Gangs of muslims acting violently will be more easily found and killed or captured.
But open war will force each muslim on the fence to PUBLICLY decide if they want to support sharia medieval brutality or modern government and peaceful plurality. If they choose the former, they start down the dead-end road to the ash heap of history. If they pick the latter, they will need to separate from their radical brethren as a rufugee or be killed by them.
But at least we can eventually sort em out. We won’t let them operate as sleeper cells. We will find them, and we will kill or imprison them.
That’s where this is all going. Face it folks, this has been coming a long time. It is time for another world war. War is the normal state of human affairs when large groups of humans demonize another enough to kill innocents intentionally. That is where we are with at least 20% of the Islamic world. Humans only learned to trade with groups speaking other languages 120,000 years ago. Peaceful trade is a young idea, and it has never been accepted worldwide. Many tribes simply do not trust outsiders.
In ten years, we will have millions of publicly radicalized muslims interned in, or exiled from modern nations, and the muslim nations will be isolated economically and militarily. There will also be millions of muslims who will create a modern faction which renounces jihad and violence, so that they will not have to live in muslim ghettoes.
Sleepers will still kill us at significant rates for many years, in protest of sanctions, and that will not likely end for centuries. Unfortunately Big Brother policies will need to be used to ferret out sleepers. I hate this, but it is also inevitable.
Our better angels are far in our future. Meanwhile, we must fight to survive.
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I don’t think Jesus’ message was be christain when it’s convenient.
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I won’t come here to find out what Jesus’ message was.
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So what? This citation implies that you condemn even your close relatives if they do not follow His law, His 10 commandments.
Treat others in the way you want they treat you.
And what is your interpretation? Instigate and cut off heads? Burn Quran?
We have 1000 + 1 problem in this country where economy of paper fiat money is expiring along with the pride of the Nation. Yet they want you and me forget about that, but instead burn Qurans, burn sombody’s countries, hate and keep killing. And you respond readily… to Satan, not to Jesus. Like a sheep….. Bee-e-e-e-e-e-e.
So who the hell Christians are, show me where they are and what they are doing these days??????
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Where are the Christians? They are being killed and oppressed by Muslims in Indonesia while their brethern in the US and Europe look the other way. They are being killed by Muslims in Somalia and Ethiopia, but what’s on the other channel? 3,000 Americans, mostly Christians were killed right here on our home soil in an operation funded by Saudi oil money on 9/11 and where are Christians? They’re busy driving to church in their SUVs. After all, we wouldn’t want to offend anyone.
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I mean real Christian must not kill, that is what New Testament says, isn’t it?
And what is your attitude to the fact that 500,000 Iraqi children under the age of 5 have died in Iraq since the imposition of U.N. sanctions in the 90-s??? Did the effect (which one?) worth those half-million deaths?
Christians kill each other and kill others for over 2000 years under a variety of “righteous” pretexts. No one really follow Jesus in the Earth….
Another question is: Who is going to benefit out of another bloody war between Christians and Muslims? Not too hard to guess, those who belong not to either ones. So who they are?
Do you like playing their deadly game??? Do you want another bloddy war?
If answer is NO, then please do not provoke it. Otherwise we all will regret.
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“I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three.” — Luke 12:49-52
Yeah, Christians don’t kill and we turn the other cheek, and we keep not killing and turning the other cheek until it becomes clear that our enemy has become intractable and has confused meekness with weakness and then we kill them in numbers that make the Biblical plagues look like a sunny afternoon in the park. There is no religion in this world that can rain hell fire and destruction upon the Earth like the Christian religion. And if you don’t believe that, just keep on f’ing with us.
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Hi Dfens;
Well in terms of relevance to political discussions i’ll simply stick with our first Amendment, but i do share your faith.
Christ did set several examples for us:
He cast out the money changers which we urgently need to do at this point and which i expect the American people are about to do at long last.
He confirmed our second amendment by instructing his disciples that if they had no sword, to sell their cloak and buy one, with your quotation being relevant to this as well, by establishing that freedom can only be established and maintained by presenting a threat to the power that would prevent it. This again the American people have done (for which i am very proud of them) which is exactly why they currently have the means to present such a threat in order to accomplish the former.
He established that freedom comes from the shedding of blood, as he shed his own for precisely this purpose, as did the founding fathers of this single and only nation on earth which is based on principles of freedom which he himself adhered to. He established this as an act of love as well in that “greater love has no man than that he would be willing to lay down his life for a friend”, which again is precisely what these individuals did, and what he did himself.
Hopefully people will be wise enough to organize themselves and act collectively in order to destroy the power which threatens their freedom and has destroyed their prosperity peacefully so that the original sacrifice of love by our founding fathers can be sufficient, but if not, i expect that there are more than enough who would be willing to make the same sacrifice in order to restore these things as well. I also think that there are a great many Americans who do not share in our faith who would be willing to make the same sacrifice for their country and their fellow citizens as well and this makes them equally noble and equally American and is after all what defines an “American”.
“I do hereby solemnly swear to defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, both foreign and domestic”.
Seems like the domestic enemies are the ones we need to get rid of and without Banks to involve us in wars and enforcing their power across the globe for the sake of creating more debt and buying more power and ownership over America for themselves, the foreign enemies would pretty much disappear of their own accord. We would be of little consequence to them after that other than the fact that they would all exist in order to serve the massive purchasing power which the American population would be able to create for itself without Banks to control and restrict their prosperity.
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That quotation is not about a literal sword. It is about severing any bond that you would put above the one you have with God. Since you only will go to the bible for it’s understanding, please explain these excerpts.
Do not repay evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the lord. On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thristy, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will be heaping hot coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, overcome evil with good (Romans 12:17-21)
But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those that curse you, pray for those who mistreat you (Luke 6:27-28)
Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you might inherit a blessing (1 Peter 3:9)
Anyone who claims to be in the light but still hates his brother lives in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble (1 John 2:9-10)
Try to remember Jesus says he is the sword. Not us.
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The tribe of Benjamin was nearly wiped out of existance, why? Not because they were all homosexual, but because they refused to stand up against the immoral acts of a few of their fellows. The time has come to choose a side.
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All religions cause hate and murder.
How ironic that the ones who claim to be the most enlightened cannot recognize evil for the life of them.
Indoctrination alters the logic center of the brain. Google it.
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To Primate
All religions cause hate.
All races cause racism.
All nationalities cause ethnicism.
etc. etc. etc.
Blanketed generalizations are never true. They are stereotypes that over-simplify an issue. They make everybody clones in a collective group. This is simply false.
You also said Religion alters the mind.
Everything alters the mind. Reading any book will alter your mind. You read something, and your brain always associates new information with old stored information. You begin strengthening old synaptic responses, and newer synpatic responses. You will do this by drinking large amounts of water as well. I will tell you how religion affected me when I was young. I heard the parables every week and didn’t really understand much because hey I was kid. Then one day I heard a song, I was about 5. It is the first thing I can remember clearly understanding at church. It went, ” When I was hungry you gave me to eat/ When I was thirsty you gave me to drink/ Now enter into the home of my father/ For whatever you do/ To the least of my people/ That you do onto me. That is the oldest synaptic response I have. Yes, it altered my brain. I have taken that to be the key message of Christainity.
As to Dfense… we simply have very different intreptations of the Prince of Peace’s message. I always thought his message was,”Faith, hope and love and the greatest of these is love.” You seem to believe something else. We will have to agree to disagree.
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To Jim
Don’t get me wrong, I consider myself to be tolerant of just about all belief systems. If a grown man wanted to believe in santa clause or the boogey man, that would be okay with me. The problem arises when bodies start turning up because of conflicting mythological beliefs. Apparently, not everyone is as tolerant as I am.
I also agree that blanket generalizations are inaccurate. What I don’t agree with is your notion that hate and murder as a by-product of religion is some how as naturally occuring as race or ethnicity. People can’t pick their race, but they can pick their beliefs — unless of course they were indoctrinated.
Teaching children to hate or dislike people because they have a different belief, race or ethnicity is wrong. That’s regardless of what some ancient book says.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with spiritually appreciating a religion, or becoming enlightened, or being at one with the universe, or whatever you’d like to call it. I do understand the positive aspects of religion. People need to understand, though, that in order to have your religious freedom respected in society, you must also respect the religious freedom of others. Just because you told me that santa clause isn’t as cool as the boogey man, it doesn’t mean I am justified in harming you.
In a couple thousand years the majority of mankind will likely view the religions of today in the same way we look at Greek mythology now, and we will probably be better off for it since there haven’t been too many Zues-related wars lately.
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The effect of indoctrination on the brain is much deeper than simply forming memories and connecting brain cells. Studies have shown that indoctrination is capable of effectively shutting off the logic center of the human brain.
Think about it. This would explain all of these crazy results religions have been giving us all of these years.
My point is that it’s time for man to grow up and stop fighting over invisible friends.
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You people make me sick. You want to live on your bellies, then live that way. Know this, though, in life there are choices, and you will be judged on the choices you make. I choose to live like a man.
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Burning books is always a bad idea. Blanket belief that a People, a race, a civilization are evil is also a bad idea.
These are the same bad ideas the Nazi’s had.
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No jews harmed in 9/11
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If only astronomy were the religion of the world, we’d be at peace. All of this worshipping of invisible wizards in the sky is for naught, showing the asinine nature of the human condition. Would anyone argue that killing in the name of Zeus to be anything other than ridiculous? What’s the difference, then?
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http://patriotsquestion911.com/
220 +senior military, intelligence ,law enforcement and Govt officials.
1200+ Architects and engineers
400+ Medical professsionsals
400 Professors
250 Pilots and aviation professionals
300 Survivors of 911 and their families
200 Artists and media professionals
See the long list of senior ex – military who question 911. Have all the above people taken leave of their senses? End all the theories and have an thorough and open investigation into 911.
Those who live by lies and deception shall perish by them.
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Burning the Quran is like burning the American Flag! So if those who claim to be christian, then why are they doing these immoral acts! Islams are not the problem! We need to look @ ourselves and repsect the 1st Amendment and Freedom of Religion and others from Religion!
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There is a lot of heated discussion regarding the burning of the Koran/Quran but I keep thinking about something my mother taught me when I was a kid…how to put the shoe on the other foot. In other words, how to look at a situation from someone else’s point of view. And regardless of how emotionally charged people are about the issue as a whole, if they are Christians they would not take it lightly if some (minor) religious group decided to burn the Bible regardless of the reasons cited by the people doing the burning.
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I’m going to be there — armed. Anyone else out there packing, and I’m not talking about guns?
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Armed with what Dfens? I hope it is logic. Would you care to debate the real facts of 911?
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I’m happy to debate with honorable people such as yourself, Ross. Unfortunately not everyone is honorable. I’m ready for that too. It’s practical.
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There needs to be a new independant investigation into 911.There was a third building that came down that day WTC 7 which housed CIA,FBI and ENRON offices.Very few people know about WTC 7.No plane impacted WTC 7 and at 47 stories high came down it’s own foot print in 6.5sec. It took 6 yrs for NIST to put out a sham report on WTC 7 which they have now retracted.
We have undisputed proof of freefall physics that proves beyond any doubt that it was impossible for this building to come down this fast and in this fashion.We also have proof from a team of 10 international scientists led by Prof Neils Harritt that nano thermite a highly sophistocated military explosive was used in all buildings of 911.
For the scientific evidence see http://ae911truth.org/
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Radical Islams ? Sure there are loads nowadays (well I’m definitely not one of them) but you made them ! Because of the fake story of 9/11 , you wanted the oil (which is largely in Muslim countries!). If it was in a country where the buddhism/Christianism/Hinduism or any other religion or spiritual stuff was practiced, you would have blamed them.
You created the radical Islamists and all the shit which goes with that. So now PLEASE get on with it ! It’s your own fault, you’ve got bloods on your hands ! IT’S TIME TO WAKE UP AND FACE the bloody music !
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I hope I can find a copy of the Koran with nice, soft pages before the burning. Not Charmin soft, mind you, something more like Northern. Strong enough to take a load. My copy is going to be used. Well used. It should lend the proper aroma to the event.
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Although I am a huge fan of Mr Ron Paul, I for one support the idea of burning Quran on 9/11.
The reason being that it is now such an unimaginable thing to do! Where is the liberty? If I buy a copy of Quran I can do whatever I want with it. It is plain rude and insensitive to burn an item of religious significance to other people, especially publicly, but this should never enter the political agenda as it has, and should never be blown out of proportion as it has been.
It seems the western world is all too happy to self-censor, and to apply the most blatant double standards in order to try to appease the people they are on the other hand murdering and enslaving! This is madness.
The freedom of speech and one rule of the law for all are more important that sensitivity. It is said that a religious minister feels compelled to make such an rude thing as burning Quran, but it seems the only way to show that some of us refuse to be bullied, censored and intimidated under twisted pretences of not hurting Muslims’ feelings.
Quran is a holy book of Muslims. If they want to legislate its status and introduce penal system in their countries for disrespecting it then fine. But we must not bow to these alien rules in our countries. We must not give way and adjust our values and our way of life as per radical Muslims’ standards.
As for infuriating and provoking non-militant Muslims, tough luck! We have every right to live our lives the way we want to even if it’s not in conformity with their religion, and we should make it known! If we’ll just keep doing everything to their liking soon we’ll be nothing more than slaves under the Muslim rule.
This is not about aggression or expansion against Islam, this is about liberty of Muslim world to do as they please in their countries and our liberty to do as we please in ours.
Hotly debated. What do you think?
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Hey guess what kids, the mosque is still going to be built on “ground zero” after it gets built what are you racist bigots going to complain about next?
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Paul never made mention to the minister not having the right to do what he is planning, niether did the general to my knowlege.
So I agree with you to the extent that the minister has the right to do whatever he wants to his own copies of the quran.
People also have the right to burn the American flag, the bible or whatever else is their own property.
People also have the right to voice out their opinions on the matter and express any distaste they have in their nieghbors action or support.
That is all that is going on, I’m not really against people weighing in on the situation. Because they have the right to their opinion.
As a Christian I am strongly apposed to this open act of disrespect towards another faith and think the hate filled idiots like this minister make it embarrassing (in a way) to be a Christian.
This is not completely unlike the hate filled “God hates fags” agenda.
Christ said the world would recongize us by our love and would follow his example.
Jesus spoke very boldly and I don’t think he was quite the pacifist that people paint nowdays but the people he came down on weren’t the pagans (think of the woman at the well) but the hypocrits (think of the pharisies).
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Hey Kris,
You are almost right in your selfish logic but missing one critical fact:
By actions of US government and US military we USA got our liberty to do as we please in THEIR countries (Islamic countries!), including burning their countries, like Iraq. Can you see???
And if this is still not enough for you, go ahesd burn everything you can.
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As you rightly noted it is US government that is killing Muslims in their homelands, not me or Terry Jones.
The hate towards USA comes from innocent people being killed, countries being invaded and occupied, governments being corrupted and manipulated by US officials. Not from some insignificant pastor burning a copy of Quran.
And while politicians organise and carry out these sinister deeds they have the nerve to patronise, scare, censor and intimidate US citizens into some weird submissive servitude towards Islam. This is simply an opportunistic assault on freedom of Americans. Neither radical Muslims nor US government have right to violate constitutional freedoms of US citizens and if it takes insensitive gestures to remind people of that fact, then so be it.
Do you really think that normal Muslims care more about some pastor in Florida burning Quran more than about all the bombings, torture, unlawful imprisonments, occupation, trade blockades?
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No, I do not think that.
But burning Qurans is as provocative as killing of prince Ferdinand and burning Reichstag! These insignificant deeds led directly to WW I and WW II.
If we the people really want proving that we still have some of our liberties left then we need to stop UNCONSTITUTIONAL WARS in the first place, stop unconstitutional theft fiat money system along with the Fed and start follow our Constitution Law in reality, not in our dreams.
And, you right, burning Quran is insignificant. Is this the ONLY our liberty left?
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One more thing. Outside the US they do NOT distinguish between you and me and our corrupted government. For them we are all the same – Americans.
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What made them “their countries”?
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I don’t know why people are acting as if Christians & Catholics in this country haven’t committed the worst hate crime. We still have built churches where the slaves lived. At that a location where they killed hundreds of black people. Its only white people that are mad about this. WHY is that. We do we still dwell in the past haven’t we criticized and stereotype people long enough without knowing anything about them. If you ask me all RELIGION is bad. But that is just how I feel.This is supposed to be the land of the free. Now they are kicking the Mexicans out of AZ. Like they aren’t the real immigrants to this country. But that’s another story. Vote Dr Ron Paul 2012. Lets get this right people. But with you being on this site I assume that we already have your vote
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He’s only a Republican because belonging to a major party gives him better recognition and a better shot at the ballot. He has urged people to vote independent and the only reason why he doesn’t run as one is because their are only two parties that get airtime in MSM news. He has admitted this.
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But, but…he’s a republican! How come he doesn’t fit into my narrow perception that all GOPers are the spawn of satan?
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I agree what this so called christian is doing is unnecessary. childish antagonism. I liken it to muslims putting a cross in a jar of urine or building a mosque at ground zero. It does not however compare to say… Chopping an americans head off, then putting a video of such on the web. Or flying airplanes full of americans into buildings full of americans. I also agree we did not need to start two wars, we had the technology to handle the problem differently. As I understand it this same so-called christian was burning non- king James versions of the bible a while back. If he does choose to burn these Korans, do you think the media will report that story even 1 out of every 10 times they plaster the koran burning story on our TV screens. If there was any responsibility in media, this story would not see the light of day.
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Your comparison of the actions of the so called “Christian” minister, who is a intsy winsey minority in the Christian religion to the intsy winsey minority of so called “Muslims” who carried out the terrist acts you described ….
You do realize you’re compairing minorities, who do not practice what their faith teaches, that have grabbed the spotlight that seems to be representing the entire religion?
And if you realize this, why are you making a connection with the Muslims in NYC to the ones who attacted the twin towers?
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I hope those people have a change of heart about burning the Quaran.
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And for the Hawks in the republican party do they believe any of these statements???
- The world is for the meek -
- Turn the other cheek -
- Let he without sin cast the first stone -
- FORGIVE THEM LORD for they know not what they do -
Maybe, just maybe, some Muslims are angry not because we are christains but because we don’t act like christains.
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Why did Brutus loss the argument to Antony in Shakespeare’s Caesar??? Because Brutus talked to the people’s reason, while Antony spoke to their baser side. Do we make that mistake now??? Thanks for being a true renaissance man Dr. Paul.
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