Ron Paul: Turn Off the Printing Presses, Allow the People to Keep What They Earn

Ron Paul weighs in on the state of the U.S. economy, Austrian vs. Keynesian economics, the upcoming election, and his thoughts on running for president in 2012.

Date: 09/18/2010
Show: The Tom Sullivan Show
Host: Tom Sullivan

Transcript

Tom Sullivan: Joining us is Congressman Ron Paul of the great state of Texas, and Congressman, we got a lot to cover. Thanks for joining us.

Ron Paul: Thank you.

Tom Sullivan: Lets start with the Republican revolution that everybody is talking about since Christine O’Donnell won in Delaware. You’ve been kind of a revolutionary guy within the Republican Party, what do you make of it?

Ron Paul: Well, I don’t give a lot of credit to the Republican Party for this. I think they’re aware of what’s happening in the country. There’s a revolution going on at the grassroots, and that’s the Tea Party movement. And they want less government, so Republicans are saying, “Hey, that’s what we’ve been talking about, let’s join them”. So I see the Republicans joining the Tea Party movement more than the Republicans leading the Tea Party movement.

Tom Sullivan: Well, you know, a couple of years ago when you were running for president, when you first came on to the national stage, a lot of people called you a gadfly. But now, they’re taking you much more seriously. You were kind of the first voice of a lot of these protests, if you will, but you were protesting from withing the halls of Congress. Are you going to run again for president?

Ron Paul: Oh, I don’t know. I get asked that question a lot and I think about it a lot, and I haven’t ruled it out. But I’m far from ruling it in, too. I think depends on what’s going on next year. I may do it, I may not.

Tom Sullivan: Okay. Well, you got a lot more people listening to you now than you did two years ago. The economy: I mean, jobs and jobs and jobs. And people are looking to Washington and saying, “First of all, there’s nothing that you can really do other than set the stage.” But is it really top priority? People on Washington are working on everything but jobs. They’re talking about it.

Ron Paul: Yeah, and I think they have a confused understanding of economics, because somehow or other, they think that more debt and more inflation and more government spending and keeping the printing press running, will solve the problems. But that’s what has gotten us into the mess. But what they don’t understand is that you have to have the liquidation, the elimination of all the mistakes, all the excessive debt and all the malinvestment, which we’re prohibiting, just as we did in the Depression. Rather than following the 1920/21 depression which lasted one year, the GDP went down rapidly, people went back to work again. So the majority here in Washington certainly do not understand this and they won’t allow the correction because it’s too painful. They don’t want the operation, they’d rather die with their disease than have the operation. Because you have to cut back, you have to cut spending, you have to deregulate, you have to cut taxes massively, and you have to understand where capital comes from. Capital comes from savings, it can’t come out of a printing press. And until we understand that, we’re not going to have jobs, just government spending money on some work project. That takes away from productive investments, that’s why we’re not building car plants and we’re not having productive effort, because the money and the resources are being drained into temporary job making, which is not lasting.

Tom Sullivan: Well, you know, in Congress you’re supposed to represent us, you’re supposed to reflect us, you’re supposed to reflect your congressional district. With all these new names – and there are a whole bunch of new names this past Tuesday that I’ve never heard of before. If you get a crop of all-new people, a bunch of new people in Washington, in Congress, do you think that will change business as usual in Congress?

Ron Paul: Not necessarily. It depends on what they think about on economics. I think it definitely is going to change, because they’re challenging the status quo of big government spending and centralized controls. And what the grassroots are actually rejecting, whether they know it or not, they’re rejecting Keynesian economics. Now that is a revolution. But you have to replace it with something, and for me, it’s replacing it with free market economics of the Austrian school: sound money, getting rid of the Fed, audid the Fed. All these things are important. I think if there is a big takeover, a big change, if they’re not going to have more surveillance and transparency of the government and more invasion of our privacy, the Constitution should protect our privacy and government should be totally open. Today government is totally closed, everything is done secretly, you can’t even evaluate, you don’t even know what’s going on. And the people are being watched; cameras are everywhere. Every financial transaction, 1099s for $600 transactions. I mean, that is the revolution that has to come and the seeds have been planted, it still needs some guiding.

Tom Sullivan: Alright. So, the seeds get planted, and a bunch of people elect a brand new member of Congress, and they can run in. Now, you’ve been there a while, you’ve seen freshmen roll in every two years. And yet, I had a member of Congress that was in a leadership position, tell me years ago that the only way you can be in a leadership position in Washington is if you have a safe seat, so you don’t have to spend a lot of time in your district. You spend a lot of time basically managing your leadership position. So unless the leadership changes, does it really matter if we change half the Congress?

Ron Paul: Well, the leadership changes and the Congress changes only when the people change and the attitudes of the people change. The Congress and governments, whether they’re dictatorships or democracies, they reflect the people. When the people get fed up, they throw them out. The Soviet Union ended because the people finally got fed up and didn’t work any longer. And this is what we have to concentrate on: the attitudes of the people are changing and eventually it will be transmitted to the Congress. I mean, they’re already recognizing that the grassroots movement known as the Tea Party movement is very significant. So many are saying, “Hey, what are they saying, what are they saying? How do I stay in office?” and that’s the way it always works. Very rarely do you come up with truly new ideas and true changes from the politicians who’ve been around for a long time. It comes from the grassroots, it comes from an understanding of economics and the purpose of liberty. You know, right now, I think, one of the neatest things happening is that you don’t win elections now by saying, “I brought the bacon home. I’m going up there and I’m going to get more stuff”. Nobody believes that anymore. So there is a revolution going on. It’s the people who say, “Enough is enough. You can’t trust the government, we want to return it to the people, we want you to have jobs with a better economic system, and we want you to spend your own money.” Now that is quite a bit different than sending the errand boy to Washington. And that changes when the people change, and I believe the people are changing.

Tom Sullivan: I think so, too. I think there is a change going on. You know, you’re a baby doctor, you’re a medical doctor.

Ron Paul: Right.

Tom Sullivan: How did you get so much… I mean, you really know every chapter and verse of history of the Federal Reserve and the gold standard. How did you get involved and how did you learn your economics?

Ron Paul: Well, it was in parallel with medicine. I loved medicine, I delivered 4,000 babies over the years. But in a parallel way, even in the 1950s and 1960s I started studying economics. I came across Hayek’s book, “The Road to Serfdom” and I read all of Ayn Rand’s stuff and von Mises and Murray Rothbard. I found economics fascinating and I was particularly interested in the monetary standard. Then I related the monetary issue to big government, because if you can’t have a Federal Reserve, a central bank that monetizes debt, you can’t have all this mess because you can’t tax and you can’t borrow that much money. And today, though, it is coming to and end, and I just think it’s great.

Tom Sullivan: So what do you think of the economy? When are we going to turn? We know it will turn someday, somehow. What’s your prediction?

Ron Paul: It’s going to get a lot worse. I think we’re barely in 1932, during the Great Depression, and they call this one the Great Recession. But this is much bigger than anything in the monetary history of the world. Never has a world economy been run on a total fiat currency, controlled by us, of course, by the dollar. And it has horrendous malinvestment and debt that has to be liquidated. And so far, nobody wants to do that. They want to continue the process, so it’s going to go wild. We’re going to continue to make our mistakes. We will survive it, but when we do, we’ll have to return to sound money and say, “We turned off the printing presses, we’re going to allow the people to keep what they earn and take the jobs that they can get at the salary that they can find.” When that attitude changes, we can go back to work rather quickly and get back on our feet.

Tom Sullivan: We’ll be watching. Congressman Ron Paul, thank you very much.

Ron Paul: Thank you.

  • elfil76

    Not his son, but him I still got questions about his son..so no, not Rand Paul but Ron Paul for now.

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  • AFRIKTODAY

    Ron Paul is much better than Thomas Jefferson. He is no slave holder.

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  • guitarland

    at 4:17 Ron Paul hits the nail on the head. The grassroots (whether they know it or not) are rejecting Keynesian economics. Too bad others in congress do not grasp this yet…..especially the NEOs, but they are coming around many of them.

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  • Guy

    Hold on here just a minute.

    We have to protect big pharma. Can’t let a natural medicine interfere with their profits.

    and what about big oil. What would they do, how would they survive if we were allowed to grow our own fuel and be independent of foreign oil in 10 years.

    Lets not forget all the government bureaucrats who sacrifice themselves for a fat retirement after 30 years, then go back to work as a high payed consultant for the very agency they retired from.

    what would happen to the military industrial complex if we were to stop the wars. I guess those poor bastards would have to find something better to do.

    and lastly let’s not forget we just have to spend billions a year of the tax payers money to keep the drug war going. How else can we save society from one of the most medicinal plants on earth.

    Oh freedom, where have you gone?

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  • http://www.yahoo.com Bottomline

    The rediculous idea is that if we spend, spend, spend things will get better and jobs will be created! Baloney! Ron Paul knows it and we know it too!

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  • selfrealizedexile

    Murray Rothbard got his name plugged on Fox Business.

    lawl

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  • MrDeppness

    RON PAUL IS OUR HERO…..
    RUN FOR PRESIDENT!!!
    MAKE JEFFERSON PROUD!!!

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  • Inodie1

    I’d vote for him. I can’t believe any sane person would call him a “gadfly” (I think that is what I heard in the video). A gadfly is a pest that livestock must endure. When I listen to him speak, all I hear is an honorable man trying to do the right thing.

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    • jim

      Socrates was the “gadfly” of Athens. It simply means being annoying for speaking truth, most often to power. In the 2008 election cycle he was the gadfly the media tried to ignore. Now they wish he was just the gadfly because he is turning into something much more. Ron Paul, against his very nature, is one of those few men who will greatness thrust upon him because his conscience won’t let him do otherwise.

      So don’t worry. In history the gadfly is just a metaphor for truth speaker. They will need something else to call him soon however because whether intended or not (and I’m quite sure not) he has become the leader of the younger generation and a voice for liberty lovers everywhere.

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  • captkirkconnell

    make it lergal to hire people.
    get rid of 941,940,944 payroll confusions.

    or at least make it so the worker is responsible to comply with the confusions, take it off the back of the employer

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  • campaign4liberty

    I ♥ Ron Paul
    LibertyPoet
    website

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  • CurtHowland

    “Three months to go and we don’t know what our tax rates are going to be”.
    Governments create chaos!

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  • guitarland

    Ron Paul is not afraid to tell the truth to voters. Today the O-bomb-a administration announces the recession is over (i guess their heads are up their butts) ….Ron Paul says the DEPRESSION is only beginning. I believe Ron Paul….in the meanwhile go back to sleep America.

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  • Jar12ro

    Ron Paul is a political genius, unlike Obama he would bring about real change and put this country back on the path to greatness. Ron Paul 2012!

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  • seanone23

    15,000,000 Americans unemployed? Isn’t that about what the government reports is the number of illegal aliens in this country? Coincidence?

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  • restoresoundmoney

    I remember when I heard that fraud in the White House state something to the effect that “credit is the lifeblood of our economy”. No, it’s not, you nitwit!! It’s capital–and the fact that that jerk either doesn’t know the difference or does but puts forth that propaganda tells you just the kind of gangster government we’ve got. I’m kinda looking forward to a total collapse so that we will have to end our military presence around the world and stop killing innocent people.

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  • funtala

    Ron Paul 2012.

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  • ErikMartin81

    I’m Norwegian, but I’ll spend all my spare time campaigning for this man online if he ever decides to run again.

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  • jcarter557

    Revenue for the government would be from tarrifs charged
    on trade with the world and the trade I mean is REAL TRADE
    not the bogus trade policies we have now that also have a deficit
    approaching 1 Trillion dollars.
    Oh YES the government survives without the Federal Income tax
    and the money making machines that are backed by nothing
    but yours and mine livelihood.

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  • midwestcharm

    Increasing my credit line doesn’t make me wealthy, increasing my savings does. Brilliant !

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  • teebteeb1268

    Actually a pretty good interview by FOX news.

    Ron Paul 2012! Bringing sanity back to government…

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