David Asman: It’s time to put the same question to Dr. Paul. Good to see you, Congressman, thanks for coming in.
Ron Paul: Thank you David, good to be with you.
David Asman: So do you think that John Boehner gets it, that he really understands what this national rebellion is all about?
Ron Paul: You’re trying to put me on the spot, I don’t know, I can’t read into his mind, but my guess is that he better, I think he is. But that still doesn’t mean that he’ll be following through and that remains to be seen, but I think that goes for all the Republicans, the Conservatives did capitulate, as you pointed out. So the test is not in the election and like you mentioned, the test is really how we handle ourselves. But I don’t hear enough precise things that we would cut. I never hear that the military-industrial complex should be addressed, I never hear that the non-discretionary funding is all the same. I never hear which departments they really want to get rid of.
So it goes on and on, so you just can’t have a little tinkering on the edge. I think you have to deal with the philosophy of government as long as you want big government, you can’t tinker with the edges.
David Asman: Congressman, let us do, you and I, let us do what they won’t do. Let us talk specifics here, now I have thought that two departments could go immediately, even though everybody says “oh that’s too radical,” and you do hear it from some people like Joe Miller and others, and Rand Paul for example who’s your son, who’s also running in Kentucky. The Department of Education was started with the idea of spending a lot of federal dollars in order to improve test scores all over the nation and improve education. It’s failed in that goal. That’s one that I can see go.
Another is the Department of Energy, that was created in order to get us off the dependence on foreign oil. At the time I think we were 60% of our oil was foreign, now it’s something like 70 or 80%, so that also has failed. So there are two departments right there, but you hear a couple of candidates now saying “we can get rid of them.” Do you hear anybody sitting in Congress saying “we should get rid of them?”
Ron Paul: Not seriously, and of course, remember Reagan ran on that but he didn’t get much done after he was elected. But we also have to remember the Department of Education, HEW came in under Eisenhower and here the last chance we had with the Republican Congress and the Republican president, we gave them No Child Left Behind, that’s why the people are so disgusted and that’s why there is a Tea Party Movement because the credibility is on the line and I’m just hoping that we do what we’re supposed to do, but we’ll soon find out, but I can…
David Asman: The one instance that’s happened in the past couple of years have made me question John Boehner, I think more in any, is when Jeff Flake was trying to get on the appropriations committee and it was John Boehner’s appointment, it was his decision as to who would be appointed at that position as minority leader, and rather than putting Jeff Flake on, a guy who was against earmarks from the get go, he was against pork, he sort of campaigned on that issue, John Boehner put a porker from the South on the thing and left Jeff Flake out in the cold. That kind of told me that he didn’t get it back then. that’s why I’m wondering if he gets it now.
Ron Paul: Yeah and it remains to be seen and hopefully the pressure and the election that’s going on will change, I don’t think the Tea Party Movement’s been going unnoticed, but I also see signs that the Tea Party Movement which originally is very spontaneous is also now incorporating some very conventional Republican themes and they’re not dealing with some of the issues that I talked about two years ago.
David Asman: Will there be a fight for the position that John Boehner has as, or that he could have as speaker if the Republicans win, will there be a fight for the speakership?
Ron Paul: I don’t think so, I think, I’ve not heard about that, so I would be surprised if that happened and I wouldn’t know exactly the individual who might replace him or be in the position to do it. So I would suspect that if we win, Boehner will most likely be the speaker.
David Asman: Alright, what about committees? There are some really, talk about Ways and Means for example, the committee that writes most tax legislation decides the ways and means by which tax revenue is spent. Who do you think, do you think we’ll have new folks in there or at least folks like Paul Ryan who is really clear in his Tea Party-like ideas?
Ron Paul: I think Paul Ryan will have a major role to play, I don’t think they’ll push him aside, I think that he has proven himself and I think he will be very much involved. But I also think about and I don’t want to overbear you with this, but taxes occur through inflation too, so ways and means that are real important but if you run up debt and the government prints some money, the people will get taxed. So government is so out of control, it used to be said that if we weren’t in session the people were safe, it doesn’t hold, we’re gone, we’re not even going to go back hardly anymore this year, we weren’t there in August. But regulations continue, the spending continues the…
David Asman: Well and you mentioned…
Ron Paul: Keeps printing money…
David Asman: Inflation is one form of tax so are regulations, regulations add to the cost of doing business, that’s another, and we’ve seen just how many dozens or hundreds or thousands of new regulations in the past 18 months.
Ron Paul: And who passes those? The Constitution says “Only Congress can write law,” aren’t regulations law? And we have thousands and thousands of pages of these regulations written by the executive branch and then we have the judicial branch doing the same thing, they write a lot of legislation and the Congress is home worrying about being elected next year and not doing their job.
David Asman: Well Congressman…
Ron Paul: They renege and defer to the executive branch too often.
David Asman: Clearly it is a question of leadership and who takes the leadership role in the next Congress, but the overall question of leadership leading into 2012 is who runs for the Republican nomination? Are you ready to declare here on Scoreboard here and now that you will be the 2012 candidate for president?
Ron Paul: Not quite, not ready to do that, we have to find out who the first 20 are to sign up, they’ll probably be 20 or 25 who say, well at least that many will be thinking about it. No, in time it’ll come about and you know the issue that I’ve been very interested in and I think that issue is building, I think the dollar now is under attack and if we are anywhere close to a major dollar crisis, I know one thing: I’m going to want to speak out on it because I feel strongly on what we ought to do. And even today the Fed hints again “oh, we might inflate some more” and what happens? Gold jumps up $18, I mean this is…
David Asman: Bernanke is going in exactly the opposite direction of a stronger dollar, Ron Paul, so I did not hear by the way a clear rejection of the idea that you will run for president, you’re leaving the door pretty wide open.
Ron Paul: Absolutely, it’s wide open, but I have no committee, I have no precise plans but I’ve also have not said “no I don’t want to do it, I’m not going to do it.” Under the circumstances I am very reluctant because anybody who really wants to be president under these conditions maybe they ought to be examined first because of the conditions, I mean it is horrendous…
David Asman: I understand.
Ron Paul: The problems that we face and so therefore…
David Asman: It’s like running for the governorship of California or New York, I think it’s the same situation.
Ron Paul: Yeah, [...]
David Asman: We got to leave it at that, Congressman Ron Paul good to see you.