Ron Paul and Rand Paul on Freedom Watch

Ron Paul and Rand Paul talk about auditing the Fed, preparing for a true revolution in Congress, their differences on earmarks, and fiscal conservatism vs. social conservatism.

Date: 11/13/2010


Rand Paul: Do we believe in the individual or do we believe in the state? Thomas Jefferson wrote that government is best that governs least, likewise freedom is best when enjoyed by the most.

Judge Napolitano: He was the Tea Party candidate that the Republican establishment said could not win, but Rand Paul bucked his own party, defied the odds and now the libertarian eye doctor is a senator elect. His father, Dr. Ron Paul, has been reelected to the House from Texas and both of these defenders of limited government and constitutional freedom join us now. Gentlemen — first — welcome to Freedom Watch, together — Congratulations on both of your election victories!

Congressman Paul — To you first, the Republicans will have the majority in the House of Representatives come January; you may very well be the chair of the monetary subcommittee of the House financial services committee. The Republicans will have the subpoena power, will you or will the Republicans use the subpoena power to make Ben Bernanke show up and bring his ledger sheets with him? Will we ever find out through the subpoena power what the Federal Reserve has been up to?

Ron Paul: If it’s necessary we have it and we should use it and I think that is one way of circumventing their stonewalling us. They’ve stonewalled all the entities. They have tried to sue them under the Freedom of Information Act and of course they had a lot of influence last year when we had the bill passed to audit the Fed, to get that taken out in committee, so I think if they don’t come clean — the subpoena power should be used.

Judge Napolitano: Over in the Senate, Senator-elect Paul, the bill to audit the Fed will not likely make its way to you. It will pass in the House as it did last time even with the Democrats controlling the House. It will pass in the Senate and then they’ll try and kill it in committee. Can it survive the byzantine ways of Senate politics?

Rand Paul: Well I think, you know, we had 37 votes for it when it went through last time, the Vitter amendment had 37 people in favor of my father’s “audit the Fed.” So I think we try again, and we try to convince a few more people to do it and also convince them that the watered down “audit the Fed” wasn’t enough.

Judge Napolitano: Congressman Paul, a lot of news members will join the House in January who are strong constitutionalists, open libertarians, people embracing the Tea Party. Will they bring the Republican Party to its Ron Paul roots or will the good-old-boys club co-opt them?

Ron Paul: Well, if you go by history, the old club will co-opt it and have control but I think conditions are different. The Tea Party Movement is very strong; grassroots America has awoken, so I’m hopeful that they will stick to their guns and I think the Republicans in the House will do much better, because they don’t have a Republican president sending down the directions. That’s why we were so weak last time. This time they will be standing up to Obama and they’ll be sending him some bills and if we do get it pass the Senate he’ll have to veto them. So I think the House is going to do much better but to have a true revolution we have a lot more work to do because they may call themselves constitutionalists, as you well know Judge, a lot of people, they don’t lose sleep over how they vote and they have a different interpretation.

They don’t think they disobey the constitution, it’s just that they get their authority from the general welfare clause and the interstate commerce clause. So that’s our problem, it’s an educational problem that we have to overcome along with determination to stick to principle.

Judge Napolitano: Senator Paul, I don’t think anybody argued the constitution better and more effectively than you did this past November and it obviously resonated well with the voters in Kentucky. Where do you stand on this divide amongst Republicans and the Senate already over earmarks? Mitch McConnell, your soon-to-be fellow Senator from Kentucky wants them, Jim Inhofe the Conservative Republican from Oklahoma wants them, Jim DeMint who went out of his way to support you in the primary against establishment Republicans, soon to be your colleague from South Carolina — does not want them. Where do you stand?

Rand Paul: Well, I have to be careful because I still want to eat at the adults table at Thanksgiving and my dad and I have a disagreement on this. But I’ve come down with a position that I think even though it’s not in enormous amount of dollars that go into earmarks, that the symbolism of putting unrelated spending amendments on bills that really don’t go through the committee process is what a lot of people perceive earmarks to be, I think it’s not a good thing and I think the whole idea that Mrs. Smith gives money to my campaign and Mrs. Smith’s grandmother was prominent in my community so I name a museum after her and it gets stuck on on related bills — I think that’s what galling to people. Now there is a constitutional question on whether Congress can direct where money is spent and whether the president should, and I understand my dad’s position on that, but I think the symbolism of how earmarks have been used in the past, I mean there were 6,000 earmarks on a transportation bill a few years ago, whereas when Ronald Reagan was around he vetoed one that had 192 earmarks. So the earmarking process has gotten out of control.

Judge Napolitano: Okay, switching from earmarks, here is Jim DeMint just the other day, I want the two of you to listen to this, he’s basically saying you can’t be a fiscal Conservative without also being a social conservative. We have to tell people how to live, take a listen:

Jim DeMint: You can’t be a fiscal conservative and not be a social conservative, a large part of the expansive government is to make up for a dysfunctional society because our culture is falling apart; the family is falling apart.

Judge Napolitano: Is this going to divide Congressman Paul, the Libertarians in the Congress from those who want to be faithful to the constitution only on fiscal matters but still want the government to tell people how to live their lives?

Ron Paul: Well, I see his statement as incomplete, I think he infers that the government would be involved in social conservatism. But I’m a social conservative, I just don’t want to use force to improve social conditions. So that’s the big difference. If you want to impose social values by law that’s a different story than arguing the case that social conservatism and family life and religious values — these are beneficial but we just don’t want the government to be doing this. So, I like to look at the first amendment. The first amendment is toleration, you tolerate people and freedom of speech, even when they say bad and dumb things and that’s the way it should be in social things. We tolerate people making mistakes with their lives, but that doesn’t diminish our desire and requirement to improve social mores, and that is — Where is the responsibility? I say it’s on the individual, and on the family, and on our churches and our community, certainly not in the government.

Judge Napolitano: Senator elect Paul, we only have about 30 seconds, where are you on this? Should we shrink the government or should we enact more laws and tell people how to live because it’s the way we think people should live, like Senator DeMint has suggested?

Rand Paul: Well I think we need to shrink government and I’m not sure that’s exactly what he was saying but I think we do need to shrink government, the primary problems that face our nation are economic, the Tea Party really is bringing people together on economic issues and isn’t so much about social issues. I am socially conservative, but I see that the Tea Party can bring people together of all walks of life who say “You know what? We can’t continue to run these massive deficits” and it’s primarily economic issues that are driving the Tea Party I think.

Judge Napolitano: Congressman Paul, Senator Paul thanks very much for joining us on Freedom Watch.

Ron Paul: Thank you.

Judge Napolitano: Next…

  • VRRA4

    I am sorry but I don’t equate the Libertarians with the Tea Party movement. In fact, Sarah Palin is far from a Libertarian and Jim Demmint is full of shit! … Again, I applaud Ron Paul!


  • sillynanny44

    tyt got pwned by peter schiff. 😉 youtube search tyt peter schiff

  • VRRA4

    Rand is not a Libertarian like his dad. I admire Ron, but cannot say the same about Rand.

  • WastingOurMoney

    “Fox Business”

  • TehHandyman

    Sorry Rand Paul the biggest shit ever, he is pissing on his fathers honor. Ron Paul is the only true person to vote for

  • TheEpoxyExpert

    love it, thank you

  • Wildkkat1

    Audit the Fed. Go Ron & Rand.

  • ReceivingWelfare

    Great to see the judge daily. In the words of Sam Cooke, ” It’s been a long, a long time coming but I know a change gon’ come oh yes it will.”

  • pimpinmia

    In the 22 years of my existence I’ve learned one thing for certain. Do not trust politicians, they’re self interested liars. The only politician who has never let me down and who I still trust in Ron Paul.

  • MTL911Truth

    And by the way Rand it was Henry David Thoreau who said that.

  • MTL911Truth

    I’m all for ending the Federal Reserve but after that I diverge from Mr. Paul’s views. The Constitution says the federal government shall regulate all money, foreign and domestic. Ron Paul says the market should issue all the money, and the government none. How is that being a strict constitutionalist? I will support Mr. Paul’s every move to end the federal reserve, but once we reach that step, I will work very hard to make sure the other side of the monetary argument is heard. All money is fiat

  • MTL911Truth

    The General welfare clause is one of the most important clauses in the whole constitution. It was so important the founding fathers put it in the constitution twice. The concept of internal improvements to improve the gen. welfare, like roads, canals, ports, etc, is crucial to the American system of political economy. It is true the general welfare clause is abused sometimes, but the fact remains that the founding fathers were not strict libertarians. They saw a role for govt in the economy.

  • Lukeor

    Ron Paul doesn’t vote like a social conservative. I think his most socially conservative stance is on abortion.

  • lestliness

    I think I might not have known what social conservative means. It seems to me that it means that a social conservative must support laws against pornography on the internet, walking topless on the beach, making abortion illegal, suppress gay rights. etc.

  • hotdogwell

    Ron and Rand Paul are full of shit LOL !!! In fiscal 2009 Ron Paul sponsored or co-sponsored 23 earmarks totaling $80,775,750 ranking him the 33rd highest out of 435 representative . Rand Paul is on record stating he will fight for his share of ear marks !!! Rand Paul is in support of keeping Gitmo open . Ron supported the amendment to go to war !!! You Ron bots do know this interview is complete bull shit ??? Judge Napolitano endorsed Ron Paul right ???

  • Jim Demint started the recession.

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  • kulan2

    Its amazing how a society that defends waterboarding and Guantanamo bay attacks a system that is designed to free people from bondage protect them. Socialism. Look up your own Bibles and Constitutions to see how you can defend libertarinism. Its a licence for any cult to emerge.

  • America

    I’ll begin by saying that in my opinion Dick Armey and “Freedom Watch” are essentially the corporate/Wall Street arm of what they want which is a fantasy hijacked version of the Tea Party.

    Freedom Watch and Dick Armey were even in favor of amnesty for illegals.

    They aren’t for what most Americans need and want which is responsible honest ethical government for the people. They are part of the kleptocracy and rule by thieves. As an example Eric Cantor who is US Congressman is more concerned with maintaining Israel’s multi billion dollar entitlements (that are borrowed) than restoring America’s economy.

    I supported Ron Paul during his run for President and would like to see him run again.

    • Fefemale

      Well, the immigration problem goes beyond ilegality. It looks like is just a handy political card, and a very dirty one that is played for everyone in society to fill the void. It’s an issue of cruelty, at least, or a compensatory fake philantropic instinct, even that beauty of america was bobooed.

      You want to be correct? start with native americans, indeed. The rest of history is just another type of ‘free trade’ of the developing world.

      Many problems, few effective solutions, and the added solutions are just compounding the problems.

      What in hell, or heaven, can be done about IT?