Ron Paul Attacks TSA’s Porno-Scanners




Ron Paul appeared on CNN to argue against the current TSA airport security measures as being invasive and a broad government overreach.

Date: 11/19/2010

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News Anchor: Should the TSA be prohibited from touching you, or taking an x-ray image of your body, or what about doing away with the government screeners and having private companies decide who can and who cannot get on your flight? With us from Phoenix, Arizona tonight is Republican Congressman Ron Paul of Texas. He’s pushing his new American Traveller Dignity Act which, among other things, tells the TSA, “Hands off”. And in Washington, Frances Townsend is our CNN national security analyst who served as the homeland security advisor in the post 9/11 Bush White House. She also serves currently on the Homeland Security Advisory Board.

Congressman Paul, to you first. Here’s among the highlights of your new legislation: It would prohibit physical contact by the TSA; it would prohibit x-rays of somebody’s body; it would prevent using the millimeter waves that are used in some of the high-tech scanners and prevent the government from taking images of an individual’s body even if covered by clothing. You view this as intrusive and abusive government power, but my question is, what about someone out there who says, “What, sir, happens if we take away these tough new screenings, and we have another 9/11?”

Ron Paul: Well, in taking it away, you’re implying that nothing else would happen. If you took out the government out of it, that would put the responsibility on the airlines. And the airlines would still be very concerned. Matter of fact, they actually have a little bit more leeway because they can screen their passengers a lot differently. And you can have agreements with the airlines. So you might have better screening with private companies, but even contracting out to a private company, as long as they have the same obligation to pursue the same thing the TSA is doing, that won’t do any good. That’s just another boondoggle for the private companies that are going to work with the government. It might be Chertoff that might get the contract to do the screening. No you want the private owners… you can’t provide perfect safety. This notion that the government’s role is to provide safety, it isn’t. It’s to protect our rights. But here we’re being told that we go to the gate, we buy a ticket, and you’ve lost your right, you sacrificed your right. Where did that come from? That’s about the most absurd thing I ever heard. And the American people aren’t for this, they’re tired of what they’re seeing and what’s happening at our airports.

News Anchor: Well, Frances, you hear the Congress there, his political committee sent out an email today talking about these naked porno scanners that people are made to go through at airports. And, of course, today I received other press releases. Senator Tom Udall wants to have a hearing after Thanksgiving. The Homeland Security Committee Chairman wants to have a hearing soon, he says maybe this TSA should not have these powers. Now that this clearly has become a big political story in our nation, do you have concerns that politics might undermine security?

Frances Townsend: Well, look. John, you know, this is a classic case where the government fails the common sense test. We’ve seen the threat from Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula. This is the group that was behind the Detroit attempted bombing, the underpants bomber. This is the group that was behind the recent cartridges in the belly of the plane loaded with explosives. So the threat is very real, and I think as we come into a time of increased travel, the government is rightly concerned. There are a couple of questions about how and why they’re doing this. The government has the authority to implement these security procedures, but they also have an obligation to be advocates and to explain to the American people why these are necessary, why there isn’t a less intrusive means that they could use and how this will protect us and keep us safer. And frankly, they haven’t really done a very good job at that. But let’s remember, the threat is very real, and so we want them to be successful in keeping explosives off planes, and we are rightly debating the government’s policy about how they’re trying to do that.

News Anchor: Well, congressman, lets come back to you and where you would draw the line. And I want to show the pictures as we have the conversation. www.DenverPost.com put up some photos, and we’re just showing some video of the intrusive searches. This is from www.Denver.com. Now the government says this is absolutely necessary. You see the body scanners, and you also see as the photos go on, some of the touching and the padding that obviously you view, sir, as a violation of people’s rights. I want you to listen here to the Homeland Security secretary, Janet Napolitano. She says it’s necessary, and it does not, in her view, cross the line.

Janet Napolitano: They in no way resemble electronic strip searches. All they do is (?) in a private area away from the gate with an image that is neither retained nor transmitted. We’ve built privacy screens into the machines.

News Anchor: And, congressman, the head of the TSA, John Pistole, says using these screenings, they’ve already come up with some things that, in his view, have kept dangerous things off the airplane. So if we went with your approach, how do we make sure that somebody does not get on a plane with something that can’t be there.

Ron Paul: Well, so far, they haven’t been sure. You know, before 9/11 the government was in charge; they spent 45 billion dollars on intelligence gathering, and they got through anyway. And now we’ve given them 80 billion dollars, so how can you expect the government to do any better? Now, for the secretary, I’d like to ask her, you know, has she gone through a scanner and looked at herself on a scanner? Has she been probed and prodded? And Frances, have you done it too? I think everybody should.

Frances Townsend: Absolutely. Congressman, I have done it.

Ron Paul: Did you look at your image?

Frances Townsend: I did not look at my image.

Ron Paul: Well, look at your image when somebody else is doing, go look at your image.

Frances Townsend: Well, frankly Congressman, I’d much rather prefer they have an image of me rather than they touch me, and I’d like the understand what the …

Ron Paul: Have you had the prod? I mean, some people have to be prodded. The people are being forced to it. You haven’t gone through the prodding process?

Frances Townsend: Oh, I most certainly have.

Ron Paul: I want every member of Congress to do it, and every member of the cabinet to do it, and they might have a different feeling about this. But the whole thing is, we are dealing with 9/11, we’re dealing with Al-Qaida, and that has to do with a major problem with our foreign policy. And if we don’t understand why we are creating more people who want to hate us, believe me, taking away all our liberties won’t solve our problem. Spending more money on intelligence gathering and also taking away more of our liberties and having 6,000 of our people killed over in the Middle East… every time we kill a civilian over there to the tunes of 10s of thousands, we make more enemies. We won’t solve our problems by abusing the rights of American citizens. That’s what my beef is.

News Anchor: The congressman makes his case passionately, Frances, on this question. The debate over just what just the powers are, what the screening should be will continue, obviously, and the Congress will be dealing with this when it returns in January without a doubt, if not right after thanksgiving, but the question of should the government do this or should it be contracted out? And to the degree of what other technology is out there, what’s the answer?

Frances Townsend: I actually think it doesn’t matter. If you can do it more efficiently by contracting it out, that’s fine. But you have to set the standards. And quite frankly it’s easy for the congressman to criticize the government, whether it’s this administration or prior administration. But I don’t hear any suggestion about how he would improve it, how, if he had responsibility for protecting the American people, what exactly he would do to ensure their safety and security?

Ron Paul: Can I answer that?

News Anchor: Sure.

Ron Paul: The airlines, the private owners do it. Private owners have a better ability to do this than government bureaucrats. It just doesn’t work, that’s the problem.

News Anchor: It’s now a national conversation, we will continue it. Congressman Ron Paul, we appreciate your time tonight. Frances Townsend as well.

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331 Comments:

  1. man, that woman is evil!!!

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  2. Ron Paul is the smartest man on earth!

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  3. It's not the government's job to protect airplanes. It's job is to protect our rights. The planes' owners should protect their own property. They aren't burdened by the bureaucracy of the tsa, and it is very much in their financial interest to both prevent terrorism and to treat their customers with dignity and respect. You could prevent nearly all terrorism by checking ids, passports, and questioning of suspicious people by QUALIFIED personel and yes, checking out people from certain countries.

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  4. As I see it, PC is the primary culprit in all this which was introduced by progressives

    Didn't the folks at Logan Airport want to stop the 9-11 terrorists for questioning - & didn't some folks want to report the Ft Hood shooter?

    Neither was done because of PC & the hoofarall about 'racial or religious' profiling?!

    Bring back profiling like the Israelies do every day & also bring in more trained dogs

    Crap, who checks the baggage prior to loading on aircraft? X-ray machines & dogs

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  5. Something that has not been addressed in all this is the question whether or not these TSA agents have had a complete background investigation by the FBI; probably not

    If not then the folks working for TSA could be one of the illegals crossing into America; ie, a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer &\or these agents or their families could be threatened by the terrorists to permit 'certain' people to go thru these check points unmolested any ole time they decide to up the ante

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  6. For those that write to your representatives or call them - You might demand that your representatives take their wives\husbands, children, parents, grandparents & all their relatives to the nearest airport& run them all through the X-ray scanner, which may cause cancer or DNA damage to chromosomes& have all their loved ones go through the 'enhanced ' so-called pat-down in front of them

    Then Americans just might stop complaining; until then tho, I am against the scanner for certain

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  7. .

    For those that may be looking for a way to contact your Congressional Representatives and the POTUS here is one way:

    USDR Legislative Action Center

    h t t p : // capwiz . com/usdr/home/

    It is FREE. You are free to select their topics or write your own letter using a button at the bottom. After input of your information it will automatically show you your representatives

    I use it quite often

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  8. .

    Tell TSA what you think of its procedures and actions in reference to the body scanners which possibly damage human DNA and chromosomes & possibly also cause skin caner; both of which won't show up for years& the enhanced pat-downs

    

    Via their website at : Contact The Transportation Security Administration

    TSA Complaints form-

    h t t p s : // contact . tsa . dhs . gov/DynaForm . aspx?FormID=10

    TSA Home page-

    h t t p : // w w w . tsa . gov/contact/index . shtm

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  9. no one mentioned that the real identity of these terrorists is in serious question! Could the government stage events to further a power grab agenda? you bet your ass. and it has been said many of these terror events the media hypes were non events anyway, like the underwear bomber. incompetent patsy.

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  10. Too bad there will never be a 3rd party.

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  11. Was she not in naughty nurses 16? Explains everything.

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  12. Ron Paul does not need airplanes. He's so awesome he transports himself via Libertarian power and appears magically wherever he needs to be.

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  13. UniverseOfSubstance

    it is so good that paul keeps talking.. the more he talks the dumber he sounds

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  14. People have a better chance of getting struck by lightening, than ever suffer a terrorist attack on a plane. This lady looks like a government payed actor trying to persuade the more than 90% of the public to change their minds. Guess what lady! People aren't as brainless and submissive as you, so take a hike!

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  15. anyone in disagreement with getting rid of these scanners is a scared little sissy that lives in a constant bubble of fear perpetuated by the media. honesty, who is really scared of Al qaida and other terrorist groups? not once have I ever felt threatened by a bunch of third world extremists because they aren't a threat when you get down to it. Pilots have guns in the cockpits, security is tight as it is, get rid of these dumb scanners.

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  16. who is that stupid bitch? she just keeps saying the same stupid stuff over and over... ron paul wins as always! :) RON PAUL 2012!

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  17. The scanning and searching are acceptable in this post 9/11environment. However, there are evidences that if any passenger refuses the scanning procedure, TSA will harass such passenger with extended unncessary touching including strip search just to retaliate that passenger's decision.

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  18. "What do you want to do, get blown up by a goddamn Arab at 30,000 feet or we get to see your private parts? It's up to you, the ball's in your park," head of the TSA's scanning department, Rodney Schroeder, told CNN.

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  19. He's right! It's Saftey VS. Freedom.. No brainer ...FREEDOM!!, Those who are not willing to stand up for it!, those who are not willing to die like our hero's have for it!
    those who stand idle as they sacrifice that which men have died to defend. deserve no better than to live in a country where you have to ask your Govt. for each breath you take.

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  20. that bitch is retarded

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